History Headscratchers / DumbingOfAge

21st Jun '16 1:48:37 AM dmh3000
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* A problem with how a lot of the social justice issues are portrayed is that they are frequently only brought up to motivate [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/03-when-god-closes-the-door/settledown/ a white]] ([[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/03-when-god-closes-the-door/ginger/ Or whiter]]) character's story or character development. [[http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/133911326532/the-storylines-over-and-now-that-it-is-i-wanted Willis even admitted]] To Those Who Ground Me was all about Joyce's character evolving. It just feels hypocritcal and insincere.
18th Jun '16 7:04:29 PM Discar
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* While I'm a fan of inserting social justice issues into a story, I have an problem with how Willis does them. Specifically, whenever the issues are brought up it's not to explore them or give them any real discussion, it's so that a white character (Or whiter character) can have a moment of character development or motivate some other plot development while the other person is relegated to the background. Sal experiencing racism from her parents was entirely so Walky could realise he was always the favourite brother. And the lesson he learns is he wants to be a good brother for Billie, not Sal. Becky being homeless after revealing she was gay has been more about Joyce adapting to this and realising her old home life is not as great as she thought it was while Becky just shrugs off any angst. [[http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/133911326532/the-storylines-over-and-now-that-it-is-i-wanted Willis even admitted]] To Those Who Ground Me was all about Joyce. Carla experiencing transphobia had her relegated to the background so that Ruth could find out Mary knows about her relationship with Billie and end that. The only exception is Ethan, him wanting to go back into the closet was somewhat told from his perspective though a large chunk of it was about how it affected Joyce and Amber. It just feels insincere when Willis is ranting about how everyone else is bigoted but he keeps pushing these characters aside.
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* When operating as Amazi-Girl, Amber displays above-average-hand-to-hand combat skills and exceptional athleticism for a short-and-curvy girl who isn't particularly muscular or toned. While some of the hand-to-hand beatdown skills seem to arise from her rage-issues and repressed sadistic tendencies, is it ever explained if she did any training to gain these BadAssNormal skills?

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* When operating as Amazi-Girl, Amber displays above-average-hand-to-hand combat skills and exceptional athleticism for a short-and-curvy girl who isn't particularly muscular or toned. While some of the hand-to-hand beatdown skills seem to arise from her rage-issues and repressed sadistic tendencies, is it ever explained if she did any training to gain these BadAssNormal BadassNormal skills?
24th May '16 3:45:44 PM shirozaki
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** She mentions that her father has sent her to self-defense classes after Sal's robbery.
17th May '16 11:42:48 AM Nemo
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17th May '16 11:41:53 AM Nemo
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* When operating as Amazi-Girl, Amber displays above-average-hand-to-hand combat skills and exceptional athleticism for a short-and-curvy girl who isn't particularly muscular or toned. While some of the hand-to-hand beatdown skills seem to arise from her rage-issues and repressed sadistic tendencies, is it ever explained if she did any training to gain these BadAssNormal skills?
2nd May '16 3:33:07 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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** Turns out the fans are saying that Danny's being a "NiceGuy[==]" but that just confuses me more, isn't the whole idea of the "NiceGuy[==]" Meme the idea of a guy who pretends to be nice just to have sex with a girl? Doesn't Danny denying sex with another girl negate that idea? Wouldn't that be more "WhiteKnighting" protecting a girl's honor and all that? What is this? I am confused. Is part of the fanbase just throwing around the meme to state their disappointment with Danny?

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** Turns out the fans are saying that Danny's being a "NiceGuy[==]" but that just confuses me more, isn't the whole idea of the "NiceGuy[==]" Meme the idea of a guy who pretends to be nice just to have sex with a girl? Doesn't Danny denying sex with another girl negate that idea? Wouldn't that be more "WhiteKnighting" "white knighting" protecting a girl's honor and all that? What is this? I am confused. Is part of the fanbase just throwing around the meme to state their disappointment with Danny?
27th Feb '16 3:02:37 PM dmh3000
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* While I'm a fan of inserting social justice issues into a story, I have an problem with how Willis does them. Specifically, whenever the issues are brought up it's not to explore them or give them any real discussion, it's so that a white character (Or whiter character) can have a moment of character development or motivate some other plot development while the other person is relegated to the background. Sal experiencing racism from her parents was entirely so Walky could realise he was always the favourite brother. And the lesson he learns is he wants to be a good brother for Billie, not Sal. Becky being homeless after revealing she was gay has been more about Joyce adapting to this and realising her old home life is not as great as she thought it was while Becky just shrugs off any angst. [[http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/133911326532/the-storylines-over-and-now-that-it-is-i-wanted Willis even admitted]] To Those Who Ground Me was all about Joyce. Carla experiencing transphobia had her relegated to the background so that Ruth could find out Mary knows about her relationship with Billie and end that. The only exception is Ethan, him wanting to go back into the closet was somewhat told from his perspective though a large chunk of it was about how it affected Joyce and Amber. It just feels insincere when Willis is ranting about how everyone else is bigoted but he keeps pushing these characters aside.
19th Jun '15 7:46:43 PM Discar
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*** In the comment section of [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/04-the-bechdel-test/gasp/ this strip]] he answered a question similar to this one by saying (and I quote) "Joyce is autobiographical". Most fans reacted in the same way as Joyce in the last panel of that day's strip.

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*** ** In the comment section of [[http://www.dumbingofage.com/2011/comic/book-1/04-the-bechdel-test/gasp/ this strip]] he answered a question similar to this one by saying (and I quote) "Joyce is autobiographical". Most fans reacted in the same way as Joyce in the last panel of that day's strip.



*** [[WordOfGod And Willis has given us a legit answer,]] [[http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/10270379367/some-people-who-read-roomies-and-its-walky seen here]]--[[JustForFun/NotableReferencesToTVTropes in direct response to this very page, no less.]] In short--everyone was a fundie back in ''Roomies!'' [[WriteWhoYouKnow because Willis was]], but he didn't have the characters discuss it much because, since being a fundie was the default setting, the characters weren't going to argue about stuff they agreed on (that, and Willis didn't have the balls to write something that might piss off his pastors.) Between the mind-wipe and whatnot, Joyce grew and evolved and by the time she rediscovered her beliefs she became a lot more well-rounded. DOA!Joyce ''is'' Roomies!Joyce, the difference is that Willis now has the balls to tackle the implications of that.

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*** ** [[WordOfGod And Willis has given us a legit answer,]] [[http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/10270379367/some-people-who-read-roomies-and-its-walky seen here]]--[[JustForFun/NotableReferencesToTVTropes in direct response to this very page, no less.]] In short--everyone was a fundie back in ''Roomies!'' [[WriteWhoYouKnow because Willis was]], but he didn't have the characters discuss it much because, since being a fundie was the default setting, the characters weren't going to argue about stuff they agreed on (that, and Willis didn't have the balls to write something that might piss off his pastors.) Between the mind-wipe and whatnot, Joyce grew and evolved and by the time she rediscovered her beliefs she became a lot more well-rounded. DOA!Joyce ''is'' Roomies!Joyce, the difference is that Willis now has the balls to tackle the implications of that.



*** [[http://collegeprowler.com/indiana-university/campus-housing/ Indiana University happens to be one such school.]] How about that.

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*** ** [[http://collegeprowler.com/indiana-university/campus-housing/ Indiana University happens to be one such school.]] How about that.



*** Well thank you that does help clear some stuff up. Danny could have worded that better. But I can't help but get the feeling that even if he did, he'd be called out on it, such as "What are you gay?" Or stuff like that any number of people

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*** ** Well thank you that does help clear some stuff up. Danny could have worded that better. But I can't help but get the feeling that even if he did, he'd be called out on it, such as "What are you gay?" Or stuff like that any number of people
22nd Feb '15 12:06:15 AM maxwellsilver
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** Danny was the AuthorAvatar back in Rommies. As that Willis was a sheltered fundamentalist teenager without the writting-skills he has today Danny came of as an asshole. Even if they are different characters many still holds this against DoA!Danny.

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** Danny was the AuthorAvatar back in Rommies. As that Willis was a sheltered fundamentalist teenager without the writting-skills he has today Danny came of as an asshole. Even if they are different characters many still holds this against DoA!Danny.[=DoA=]!Danny.
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