History Headscratchers / DragonBallOriginalSeries

5th Jan '18 11:15:34 AM DuskNoble
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* I have often heard how Dragon Ball (or at the very least the Emperor Pilaf saga) was meant to be a modern retelling of ''Journey to the West'' however I have one problem with this - how exactly? as far as I can see it's nothing more than a very poorly executed reboot. The only similarities Son Goku shares with Sun Wukong are his cloud, the power pole and the monkey like tail (laughably, the Super Saiyan 4 transformation looks far more like Sun Wukong than Goku with his little tail ever did). Goku volunteers to travel with Bulma on their adventure whereas Wukong was forced to travel with Xuan Xang. Where is Goku's mind controlling tiara? Where are Goku's shape shifting powers? Where is his immortality? Where was the heavenly revolt? The closest we have to gods in Dragon Ball are Kami, Korin and (if we're generous and include Z) the Kais, all of whom are friends not enemies. Not to mention the fact that Goku is weaker on a considerable scale; Sun Wukong has powers and magic that would surpass Vegetto. At least we have the Red Ribbon army as a parallel to the Heavenly Armies but it's not exactly on the same level of awesomeness is it?

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* I have often heard how Dragon Ball (or at the very least the Emperor Pilaf saga) Saga) was meant to be a modern retelling of ''Journey to the West'' however I have one problem with this - how exactly? as far as I can see it's nothing more than a very poorly executed reboot. The only similarities Son Goku shares with Sun Wukong are his cloud, the power pole and the monkey like tail (laughably, the Super Saiyan 4 transformation looks far more like Sun Wukong than Goku with his little tail ever did). Goku volunteers to travel with Bulma on their adventure whereas Wukong was forced to travel with Xuan Xang. Where is Goku's mind controlling tiara? Where are Goku's shape shifting shapeshifting powers? Where is his immortality? Where was the heavenly revolt? The closest we have to gods in Dragon Ball are Kami, Korin and (if we're generous and include Z) the Kais, all of whom are friends friends, not enemies. Not to mention the fact that Goku is weaker on a considerable scale; Sun Wukong has powers and magic that would surpass Vegetto. At least we have the Red Ribbon army as a parallel to the Heavenly Armies but it's not exactly on the same level of awesomeness is it?



** It was definitely based on Journey To The West (originally), but by no means was it a retelling. In fact, in the Chinese version of Dragonball, Son Goku is actually called "Son Wu Kong". Some more similarities include the flying cloud and the extending rod, 2 of the Monkey King's SIGNATURE items, not to mention super strength. Further more, lots of the story elements are borrowed from the Chinese legend, such as the story of the Ox King and the Bansho fan (not named so, but still in the legends). Rabbits living on the moon is also borrowed from a classic Chinese legend. In DBZ, they quickly changed Goku's story so that he was actually an alien, and ditched his cloud and rod, removing his connections to Chinese folklore.

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** It was definitely based on Journey To The West (originally), but by no means was it a retelling. In fact, in the Chinese version of Dragonball, Son Goku is actually called "Son Wu Kong". Some more similarities include the flying cloud and the extending rod, 2 of the Monkey King's SIGNATURE items, not to mention super strength. Further more, Furthermore, lots of the story elements are borrowed from the Chinese legend, such as the story of the Ox King and the Bansho fan (not named so, but still in the legends). Rabbits living on the moon is also borrowed from a classic Chinese legend. In DBZ, they quickly changed Goku's story so that he was actually an alien, and ditched his cloud and rod, removing his connections to Chinese folklore.



** The initial quest for the dragon balls immerses the original Journey to the West in the realm of the Dragonball universe. The later parts of the show, as well as the sequel shows, are based on the actual life of Sun Wukong. In his origin story, he was said to have showed off all of his powers to the other demon kings to which he was allied: The Bull Demon King, the Saurial Demon King (lizard king), Roc Demon King (bird king), Lion Spirit King, Macaque Spirit King, and the Marmoset Spirit King. Sun Wukong travels to heaven, makes new enemies, and continues to find foes that can equal his might. By looking at the stories in a reversed order, it is possible to realize the true extent of Journey to the West's influence on the Dragonball saga.

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** The initial quest for the dragon balls immerses the original Journey to the West in the realm of the Dragonball universe. The later parts of the show, as well as the sequel shows, are based on the actual life of Sun Wukong. In his origin story, he was said to have showed shown off all of his powers to the other demon kings to which he was allied: The Bull Demon King, the Saurial Demon King (lizard king), Roc Demon King (bird king), Lion Spirit King, Macaque Spirit King, and the Marmoset Spirit King. Sun Wukong travels to heaven, makes new enemies, and continues to find foes that can equal his might. By looking at the stories in a reversed order, it is possible to realize the true extent of Journey to the West's influence on the Dragonball saga.



** When would he? After that tournament Goku never went back to train with Roshi like Krillin, he went on his merry way to find his Dragon Ball. Also you are forgetting that Roshi didn't want to reveal that he was Jackie Chun, and it's not like Goku needed that particular technique at that point in the series, they couldn't just keep having him learn every single different technique he came across could they?

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** When would he? After that tournament Goku never went back to train with Roshi like Krillin, he went on his merry way to find his Dragon Ball. Also Also, you are forgetting that Roshi didn't want to reveal that he was Jackie Chun, and it's not like Goku needed that particular technique at that point in the series, they couldn't just keep having him learn every single different technique he came across across, could they?



*** Much better than the Kamehameha? during the exact same battle we witness it effortlessly ''destroy the moon.'' Yes it nearly made Goku surrender but he was also low on energy from fighting Roshi and in many ways was actually very weak overall at this point in the series: Goku was far more reliant on his great physical strength and endurance as opposed to his Ki - something he wouldn't start to improve until Kami and Popo started to train him. You ''may'' have been able to defeat Yamcha with it but certainly not Tien or Piccolo.

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*** Much better than the Kamehameha? during During the exact same battle battle, we witness it effortlessly ''destroy the moon.'' Yes it nearly made Goku surrender but he was also low on energy from fighting Roshi and in many ways was actually very weak overall at this point in the series: Goku was far more reliant on his great physical strength and endurance as opposed to his Ki - something he wouldn't start to improve until Kami and Popo started to train him. You ''may'' have been able to defeat Yamcha with it but certainly not Tien or Piccolo.



* Expanding on the above, why doesn't Roshi continue to train Goku after the tournament? He's taught them the "basics", in terms of increasing their strength and skill, but he could have taught them a lot more, not only techniques but also tactics like how to anticipate an enemy's attack (something Goku later learns from Karin). Instead he says he's taught them all they can and they're on their own. Is he just a really lousy teacher? Is he tired of having them around?

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* Expanding on the above, why doesn't Roshi continue to train Goku after the tournament? He's taught them the "basics", in terms of increasing their strength and skill, but he could have taught them a lot more, not only techniques but also tactics like how to anticipate an enemy's attack (something Goku later learns from Karin). Instead Instead, he says he's taught them all they can and they're on their own. Is he just a really lousy teacher? Is he tired of having them around?



* When Goku and Krillin are training, they have to plow a field with their bare hands every day for eight months. The fields are pretty big, and they get bigger every day. How does the island not run out of fields to plow? Do they do other things like sow and pull weeds and rocks?

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* When Goku and Krillin are training, they have to plow a field with their bare hands every day for eight months. The fields are pretty big, and they get bigger every day. How does the island not run out of fields to plow? Do they do other things like sow sewing and pull pulling weeds and rocks?



*** For that matter, how did these ancient pirates get ahold of a dragon ball? It was found in the mouth of a dead pirate.. And how did Bulma even know where it was, to tell Goku?

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*** For that matter, how did these ancient pirates get ahold of a dragon ball? It was found in the mouth of a dead pirate..pirate... And how did Bulma even know where it was, to tell Goku?



** Grenade + Face + Not expecting Goku to bat it back. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Not to mention it must've been a pretty strong bomb to do the kind of damage responsible for his look the next time we see him.

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** Grenade + Face + Not expecting Goku to bat it back. Seems pretty straight forward straightforward to me. Not to mention it must've been a pretty strong bomb to do the kind of damage responsible for his look the next time we see him.



*** Dragon Ball tech is all over the place, with police in hover-cars equipped with energy guns who carry around apparently normal revolvers and a military that flattens a mountain using a short bombardment of artillery and hand held weapons fire. Besides, Tao has access to someone who can turn him into a super-powerful cyborg (maybe Dr. Gero, if they met before Red Ribbon had hired him?), so its quite plausible for him to know where to buy a sickeningly powerful grenade. And Goku was almost immune to bullets in his first appearance, and Tao (in addition to casually throwing pillars across continents and brainstabbing a guy who was barely scratched from crashing a jet into a mountain at full speed ''with his tongue'') easily punked a Goku who was orders of magnitudes stronger and tanked a Kamehameha as well.

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*** Dragon Ball tech is all over the place, with police in hover-cars equipped with energy guns who carry around apparently normal revolvers and a military that flattens a mountain using a short bombardment of artillery and hand held handheld weapons fire. Besides, Tao has access to someone who can turn him into a super-powerful cyborg (maybe Dr. Gero, if they met before Red Ribbon had hired him?), so its it's quite plausible for him to know where to buy a sickeningly powerful grenade. And Goku was almost immune to bullets in his first appearance, and Tao (in addition to casually throwing pillars across continents and brainstabbing a guy who was barely scratched from crashing a jet into a mountain at full speed ''with his tongue'') easily punked a Goku who was orders of magnitudes stronger and tanked a Kamehameha as well.



** Arale's a robot. Unless someone gives her an upgrade, she's as strong as she's ever going to be. Which means means she's toast against any of the DBZ cast this side of Chi Chi.
*** You don't know anything about Arale do you?

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** Arale's a robot. Unless someone gives her an upgrade, she's as strong as she's ever going to be. Which means means she's toast against any of the DBZ cast this side of Chi Chi.
*** You don't know anything about Arale Arale, do you?



*** I think it's fair to say that the Dragon Ball Penguin Village is an alternate universe. As previously stated, in the Dr Slump Prime Universe, Arale has the physical strength of Buu and Senbei is smarter than a Timelord. Whereas in the Dragon Ball universe, Arale is no stronger than 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament Goku and Senbei is easily confused by a hand held radar. If you think of it this way, Arale being both weak and apparently never upgraded in any way is perfectly explained when you consider that Dragon Ball Senbei has a pretty pathetic level of intelligence.

* During the Red Ribbon Army Saga, when Krillin and Bulma were cornered by General Blue, Krillin and Bulma referred to Blue as being gay, apparently solely due to the fact that he was either ignoring Bulma's advances or telling her off for advancing on him. However, Goku and even Yamcha acted in a very similar manner towards Bulma, and yet weren't considered as such. Krillin and Bulma also didn't even have any other reason to deduce him as such due to the fact that they never even saw how Blue held the phonepiece or how he loved roses.
** I don't remember how it was on the anime, but in the manga Blue basically goes "Aah! A woman! A woman! How disgusting! I don't want to be touched by you!", which is kind of telling if you ask me. By contrast, Goku was "What's a woman?" and Yamcha was "I'm too shy to talk to her, but I wanna get married!" (Until he got over his shyness).

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*** I think it's fair to say that the Dragon Ball Penguin Village is an alternate universe. As previously stated, in the Dr Slump Prime Universe, Arale has the physical strength of Buu and Senbei is smarter than a Timelord. Whereas in the Dragon Ball universe, Arale is no stronger than 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament Goku and Senbei is easily confused by a hand held hand-held radar. If you think of it this way, Arale being both weak and apparently never upgraded in any way is perfectly explained when you consider that Dragon Ball Senbei has a pretty pathetic level of intelligence.

* During the Red Ribbon Army Saga, when Krillin and Bulma were cornered by General Blue, Krillin and Bulma referred to Blue as being gay, apparently solely due to the fact that he was either ignoring Bulma's advances or telling her off for advancing on him. However, Goku and even Yamcha acted in a very similar manner towards Bulma, Bulma and yet weren't considered as such. Krillin and Bulma also didn't even have any other reason to deduce him as such due to the fact that they never even saw how Blue held the phonepiece or how he loved roses.
** I don't remember how it was on in the anime, but in the manga Blue basically goes "Aah! A woman! A woman! How disgusting! I don't want to be touched by you!", which is kind of telling if you ask me. By contrast, Goku was "What's a woman?" and Yamcha was "I'm too shy to talk to her, but I wanna get married!" (Until he got over his shyness).



*** Wait, are you saying homosexuals are pedophiles and child abusers? Seriously?
*** The "dirty butt" in question stems from Bulma trying to bribe Guku to get(as guku called it back then) his grandpa(4 star dragonball).
*** ...Now you are just thinking waaaay too deeply about it. Blue is flamboyant, Goku is a kid and Yamcha had his own issues, it's not unreasonable to jump to conclusions, specially if its just for the sake of a quick joke. [[MST3KMantra Deal with it.]]

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*** Wait, are you saying homosexuals are pedophiles paedophiles and child abusers? Seriously?
*** The "dirty butt" in question stems from Bulma trying to bribe Guku to get(as guku get (as Goku called it back then) his grandpa(4 star dragonball).grandpa(4-star Dragonball).
*** ...Now you are just thinking waaaay too deeply about it. Blue is flamboyant, Goku is a kid and Yamcha had his own issues, it's not unreasonable to jump to conclusions, specially if its it's just for the sake of a quick joke. [[MST3KMantra Deal with it.]]



*** Doesn't blue scream "THEN I'LL KILL YOU" when she tells him that's she's a guy? Or was that only in the localization i read?

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*** Doesn't blue scream "THEN I'LL KILL YOU" when she tells him that's she's a guy? Or was that only in the localization i I read?



** Alright everybody, calm down. All that needs to be said is that in the original Japanese version, Blue got a major crush on Obotchaman, with full-on glittering eyes, soft tones, flowery-background, and all. In the English version they changed the dialogue to have Blue thinking Obotchaman was his "long lost brother Samuel" because the English localization team was uncomfortable showing an adult character falling in love with someone who is clearly a child. Call him gay, call him a pedophile, say what you want about him, but he's certainly not asexual or straight. And as a note for the overly-sensitive, just because Blue is shown to be gay and a pedophile does not mean or even imply that gays are pedophiles. He is just one character who happens to be a gay pedophile. It really doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. - Tropers/EBsessed

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** Alright everybody, calm down. All that needs to be said is that in the original Japanese version, Blue got a major crush on Obotchaman, with full-on glittering eyes, soft tones, flowery-background, and all. In the English version version, they changed the dialogue to have Blue thinking Obotchaman was his "long lost brother Samuel" because the English localization team was uncomfortable showing an adult character falling in love with someone who is clearly a child. Call him gay, call him a pedophile, paedophile, say what you want about him, but he's certainly not asexual or straight. And as a note for the overly-sensitive, just because Blue is shown to be gay and a pedophile does not mean or even imply that gays are pedophiles. He is just one character who happens to be a gay pedophile. It really doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. - Tropers/EBsessed



** Alternatively, Toriyama retconned the Dragon's power when he realized just how story breaking it's power could be. Not allowing Shenlong to kill, resurrect more than once or not allowing him to effect any creature beyond the level of Kami was a stroke of genius given how you could effectively use it to end every saga in the most boring way possible.

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** Alternatively, Toriyama retconned the Dragon's power when he realized just how story breaking it's its power could be. Not allowing Shenlong to kill, resurrect more than once or not allowing him to effect any creature beyond the level of Kami was a stroke of genius given how you could effectively use it to end every saga in the most boring way possible.



*** The "Water of the Gods" draws out dormant power, not potential. That's why those who have dormant power drawn out ca continue to get stronger.

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*** The "Water of the Gods" draws out dormant power, not potential. That's why those who have dormant power drawn out ca can continue to get stronger.



** While [[DeathIsCheap death eventually becomes quite cheap]] for Goku and his friends, it's clear that to the majority of other people, death is known as a very final thing (something Yajirobe says confirms this when Shenlong dies or in another occasion), all living beings must go through, the circle of life and all that stuff people say even in the real world. Old people like Grandpa Gohan in particular are prone to think like this; according to research in real life, they are actually the age group with least anxiety about death. He had lived a good and long life, died due to an unfortunate accident (Upa's father died murdered, so his resurrection is probably a different matter in Goku and the other's minds) and he's fine with it. His grandson and friends didn't stop their lives because of it and by that time in the manga Goku has a bunch of friends who'll never leave him alone; and now that they learnt that death isn't some kind of dark void they also know he's always watching over them from the afterlife. Seriously, not wanting to come back from the dead doesn't mean he loves anyone any less. Like he said, they'll all meet again some time.

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** While [[DeathIsCheap death eventually becomes quite cheap]] for Goku and his friends, it's clear that to the majority of other people, death is known as a very final thing (something Yajirobe says confirms this when Shenlong dies or in another occasion), all living beings must go through, the circle of life and all that stuff people say even in the real world. Old people like Grandpa Gohan Gohan, in particular particular, are prone to think like this; according to research in real life, they are actually the age group with least anxiety about death. He had lived a good and long life, died due to an unfortunate accident (Upa's father died murdered, so his resurrection is probably a different matter in Goku and the other's minds) and he's fine with it. His grandson and friends didn't stop their lives because of it and by that time in the manga Goku has a bunch of friends who'll never leave him alone; and now that they learnt that death isn't some kind of dark void they also know he's always watching over them from the afterlife. Seriously, not wanting to come back from the dead doesn't mean he loves anyone any less. Like he said, they'll all meet again some time.



** Also, from a Doylist perspective, it could be seen as a nod to ''Literature/JourneyToTheWest'', where the Buddha (third eye on the forehead, geddit?) is one of the main antagonist of Sun Wukong. About the extra abilities, IIRC, during one of the Tenkaichi Budokai it is implied that he has supernatural perception, with all the scenes where he is able to clearly see actions going too fast for the crowd.

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** Also, from a Doylist perspective, it could be seen as a nod to ''Literature/JourneyToTheWest'', where the Buddha (third eye on the forehead, geddit?) is one of the main antagonist antagonists of Sun Wukong. About the extra abilities, IIRC, during one of the Tenkaichi Budokai it is implied that he has supernatural perception, with all the scenes where he is able to clearly see actions going too fast for the crowd.



* Kami was very ''very'' careless with the jar Mutaito sealed King Piccolo into. Right up until the point Goku killed him, King Piccolo was the strongest and most evil creature on the planet barring himself. Not only this, Kami's very ''lifeforce'' was spiritually linked together in a way that meant his survival instinct had to evolve to include them both. So... imagine you're Kami in this situation, would you A) Keep this jar in a safe next to your bed, on your unreachable palace in the sky (remember, at this point in the series only the Power Pole could reach unaided - it was higher than the Nimbus or any aircraft of the day) or B) Keep it far out of your reach hundreds of miles away, apparantly unguarded. He was just ''begging'' for Pilaf to come and steal it.

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* Kami was very ''very'' careless with the jar Mutaito sealed King Piccolo into. Right up until the point Goku killed him, King Piccolo was the strongest and most evil creature on the planet barring himself. Not only this, Kami's very ''lifeforce'' was spiritually linked together in a way that meant his survival instinct had to evolve to include them both. So... imagine you're Kami in this situation, would you A) Keep this jar in a safe next to your bed, on your unreachable palace in the sky (remember, at this point in the series only the Power Pole could reach unaided - it was higher than the Nimbus or any aircraft of the day) or B) Keep it far out of your reach hundreds of miles away, apparantly apparently unguarded. He was just ''begging'' for Pilaf to come and steal it.



*** Kami's gross negligence on behalf of Piccolo's jar is by no means an exaggeration. True, it did remain undiscovered for hundreds of years but that had far more to do with blind luck than anything on Kami's part. Remember who recovered this jar... Emperor Pilaf. His only power is that he's rich - and that's it. His empire consists of two fairly incompetant people, a modest amount of military hardware and a palace. If a guy this small and unimportant could recover the jar with such minimum effort then there is no way he had hidden it effectively. Now, it is arguable that the rise of technology rendered the original hiding place obsolete. In which case, he's guilty of not only keeping a watchful enough eye over it and/or not keeping updated with the current affairs of the Earth. A few years previously the Red Ribbon Army had risen to become a global threat - if at any point they had got wind of this jar, it would have taken them days to find the damn thing.

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*** Kami's gross negligence on behalf of Piccolo's jar is by no means an exaggeration. True, it did remain undiscovered for hundreds of years but that had far more to do with blind luck than anything on Kami's part. Remember who recovered this jar... Emperor Pilaf. His only power is that he's rich - and that's it. His empire consists of two fairly incompetant incompetent people, a modest amount of military hardware and a palace. If a guy this small and unimportant could recover the jar with such minimum minimal effort then there is no way he had hidden it effectively. Now, it is arguable that the rise of technology rendered the original hiding place obsolete. In which case, he's guilty of not only keeping a watchful enough eye over it and/or not keeping updated with the current affairs of the Earth. A few years previously the Red Ribbon Army had risen to become a global threat - if at any point they had got wind of this jar, it would have taken them days to find the damn thing.



*** Wrong. At the time that King Piccolo was introduced there was no such thing as Namek. In other words, Akira Toriyama just didn't think of it. Furthermore, Piccolo was the incarnation of Kami's evil side, not the evil side of all of Namek.

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*** Wrong. At the time that King Piccolo was introduced introduced, there was no such thing as Namek. In other words, Akira Toriyama just didn't think of it. Furthermore, Piccolo was the incarnation of Kami's evil side, not the evil side of all of Namek.



*** From the Dragon Clan, if I recall correctly. Same as Guru, or Guru wouldn't have been able to make the Namekian Dragon Balls. Guru mentions that only the Dragon Clan could make Dragon Balls at one point, if I recall correctly.

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*** From the Dragon Clan, if I recall correctly. Same as Guru, Guru or Guru wouldn't have been able to make the Namekian Dragon Balls. Guru mentions that only the Dragon Clan could make Dragon Balls at one point, point if I recall correctly.



*** Uhh, just so you know, Toriyama has a tendency to just say "Yeah, sure, throw it in" to anything the anime makers/game makers say. He ''really'' doesn't care about Dragon Ball any more, and hasn't in a while.

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*** Uhh, just so you know, Toriyama has a tendency to just say "Yeah, sure, throw it in" to anything the anime makers/game makers say. He ''really'' doesn't care about Dragon Ball any more, anymore, and hasn't in a while.



** It should also be pointed out that neither King Piccolo or Kami are ''true'' Namekians in a real sense - they're copies of the original Namek that crash landed on Earth. The story goes that the Nameless Namek approached the Guardian of Earth (along with Garlic Junior's dad) to try and become his successor, however the Guardian decided they were both too impure for the job and turned them both away. The Nameless Namek decided to split himself into a Demon and Pure of Heart side which became King Piccolo and Kami - thus its not inconceivable that they both would have developed powers that fit along this theme. Piccolo gained the ability to pervert his reproductive organs to the extent he could create monsters and Kami gained the ability to transfer his mind into the body of another. Note also that Piccolo Junior isn't a true Namekian either; he is the reincarnation of King Piccolo. (You have to wonder if Piccolo Junior could actually concieve a normal child seeing as he appears to have absolutely no desire to reproduce despite being a healthy adult.) When the Nameless Namek was reborn during the Cell Saga, no mention is ever made of these incredibly useful abilities ever again - implying that he lost them. I admit its a bit of a WMG, but it does fit the available facts.

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** It should also be pointed out that neither King Piccolo or Kami are ''true'' Namekians in a real sense - they're copies of the original Namek that crash landed crash-landed on Earth. The story goes that the Nameless Namek approached the Guardian of Earth (along with Garlic Junior's dad) to try and become his successor, however the Guardian decided they were both too impure for the job and turned them both away. The Nameless Namek decided to split himself into a Demon and Pure of Heart side which became King Piccolo and Kami - thus its not inconceivable that they both would have developed powers that fit along this theme. Piccolo gained the ability to pervert his reproductive organs to the extent he could create monsters and Kami gained the ability to transfer his mind into the body of another. Note also that Piccolo Junior isn't a true Namekian either; he is the reincarnation of King Piccolo. (You have to wonder if Piccolo Junior could actually concieve conceive a normal child seeing as he appears to have absolutely no desire to reproduce despite being a healthy adult.) When the Nameless Namek was reborn during the Cell Saga, no mention is ever made of these incredibly useful abilities ever again - implying that he lost them. I admit its a bit of a WMG, but it does fit the available facts.



*** Nothing in the manga ever suggest that the Dragnballs are unbreakable. In fact in DBZ it was mentioned at least 3 times that Dragon balls can be destroyed and broken. In fact Kid Buu was able to destroyed the DragonBalls pretty easily along with the earth so they are not unbreakable.

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*** Nothing in the manga ever suggest that the Dragnballs Dragon Balls are unbreakable. In fact in DBZ it was mentioned at least 3 times that Dragon balls Balls can be destroyed and broken. In fact Kid Buu was able to destroyed destroy the DragonBalls Dragon Balls pretty easily along with the earth so they are not unbreakable.



* As strong as they are, why didn't Mr. Popo and Kami intervene in thwarting Piccolo Daimao during both his reigns of terror? Granted killing Piccolo would end Kami's life. But not doing squat allowed Piccolo to wreck havoc and have baddies like Pilaf and the Red Ribbon Army wanting the Dragon Balls for their own selfish reasons.

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* As strong as they are, why didn't Mr. Popo and Kami intervene in thwarting Piccolo Daimao during both his reigns of terror? Granted killing Piccolo would end Kami's life. But not doing squat allowed Piccolo to wreck wreak havoc and have baddies like Pilaf and the Red Ribbon Army wanting the Dragon Balls for their own selfish reasons.



** Ask a competent fighter for help? You mean, like Goku? Posessing a human was the plan B. And it didn't really matter to Kami whether it was a fighter or a Muggle whom he posessed because he was going to use his own strength anyway. Also, look at it this way, Shen became very popular and bonded with his son after the whole thing ended so it worked out fine for him.
** Kami did not realise that Piccolo jr. had grown so powerful, and might have thought that he did not have to be picky.

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** Ask a competent fighter for help? You mean, like Goku? Posessing Possessing a human was the plan B. And it didn't really matter to Kami whether it was a fighter or a Muggle whom he posessed possessed because he was going to use his own strength anyway. Also, look at it this way, Shen became very popular and bonded with his son after the whole thing ended so it worked out fine for him.
** Kami did not realise that Piccolo jr.Jr. had grown so powerful, and might have thought that he did not have to be picky.
31st Jul '17 7:20:49 AM germanlureag
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** It is not necessary to be geniuses, the explanation is very simple, simply PICCOLO before separating in kami and piccolo, the same kami explains that he wait 30 years for his parents (when he still does not know the biology namek) returning to a Where was his ship, and you can see flashbacks where you see piccolo passing through childhood, adolescence and adulthood while he wait those 30 years, so it is understandable that piccolo like other namekus have a level of maturation similar to humans.
The only reason it grows in 3 years after the rebirth, it is simple that the other of his techniques decided to accelerate its maturity biologically, since it not had case to go through childhood again. Maybe some kind of unknown technique that accelerates his age.

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** It is not necessary to be geniuses, the explanation is very simple, simply PICCOLO before separating in kami and piccolo, the same kami explains that he wait 30 years for to his parents (when he still does not know the biology namek) returning to a Where where his ship was his ship, , and you can see flashbacks where you see piccolo passing through childhood, adolescence and adulthood while he wait those 30 years, so it is understandable that piccolo like other namekus have a level of maturation similar to humans.
humans. The only reason it that he grows in 3 years after the rebirth, it is simple that the maybe is other of his techniques decided to accelerate its his maturity biologically, since it not had case to go through childhood again. Maybe some kind of unknown technique that accelerates his age.
31st Jul '17 7:15:34 AM germanlureag
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** It is not necessary to be geniuses, the explanation is very simple, simply PICCOLO before separating in kami and piccolo, the same kami explains that he wait 30 years for his parents (when he still does not know the biology namek) returning to a Where was his ship, and you can see flashbacks where you see piccolo passing through childhood, adolescence and adulthood while he wait those 30 years, so it is understandable that piccolo like other namekus have a level of maturation similar to humans.
The only reason it grows in 3 years after the rebirth, it is simple that the other of his techniques decided to accelerate its maturity biologically, since it not had case to go through childhood again. Maybe some kind of unknown technique that accelerates his age.
15th Jul '17 12:57:09 PM EDP
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*** When it comes to technology, Pilaf is a genius on the same level as Bulma and Gero, as shown by such inventions as a Dragon Radar superior to Bulma's, a material that keeps Dragon Balls hidden from a Dragon Radar (something that being in a cave under the ocean's floor failed to do), and three [[CombiningMecha Combining]] MiniMecha that almost defeated post-Red Ribbon Goku. It's perfectly normal that Pilaf could find it, as his stupidity manifests in his decisions (such as tracking down King Piccolo to begin with).
15th Jul '17 12:41:18 PM EDP
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* Why did Goku and friends fight Baba's warriors when Bulma could have easily paid her bill?
12th May '17 2:23:06 PM dude01
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** I don't think they did. They just remembered his tail was a general weak point.
14th Mar '17 12:15:14 PM SteelEdge
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* When Goku and Krillin are training, they have to plow a field with their bare hands every day for eight months. The fields are pretty big, and they get bigger every day. How does the island not run out of fields to plow? Do they do other things like sow and pull weeds and rocks?




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*** The Dragon Balls move everywhere after they spread around the world. The pirates probably never found it; the Dragon Ball went to them.
5th Oct '16 4:15:30 PM Miumia
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** While [[DeathIsCheap death eventually becomes quite cheap]] for Goku and his friends, it's clear that to the majority of other people, death is known as a very final thing (something Yajirobe says confirms this when Shenlong dies or in another occasion), all living beings must go through, the circle of life and all that stuff people say even in the real world. Old people like Grandpa Gohan in particular are prone to think like this; according to research in real life, they are actually the age group with least anxiety about death. He had lived a good and long life, died due to an unfortunate accident (Upa's father died murdered, so his resurrection is probably a different matter in Goku and the other's minds) and he's fine with it. His grandson and friends didn't stop their lives because of it and by that time in the manga Goku has a bunch of friends who'll never leave him alone; and now that they learnt that death isn't some kind of dark void they also know he's always watching over them from the afterlife. Seriously, not wanting to come back from the dead doesn't mean he loves anyone any less. Like he said, they'll all meet again some time.
1st Oct '16 1:23:08 AM thatsnumberwang
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** As I recall, Roshi was retired when Goku and Krillin turned up at his island, and basically only trained them as a favour to Grandpa Gohan. Was he tired of having them around? Oh, absolutely. He wanted to go back to his life of sunbathing, drinking, and admiring (perving) on sexy women without having two noisy kids running around.
30th Sep '16 9:08:40 AM Seth_Phoenix2000
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**If one wanted to resurrect someone dead for over a year and they didn't have Frieza's tech at their disposal, they'd need Porunga, and to use the multiple wishes to circumvent this (One to request to bend the rules of resurrection, the other to actually resurrect the individual)
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