History Headscratchers / DragonAgeII

17th Nov '16 12:41:56 AM MadSpy
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** Okay incoming wall of text, so I'm sectioning it off in numbers. Bear with me here. 1) Actually, the Qunari do have a treaty with the lands of Thedas. Sten and Alistair even discuss it in party banter in DA1. It's why they're not attacking them at the moment. Whether or not it includes extradition is not discussed, but that's not the point - she stole a priceless relic of the Qunari, knew they wanted it back, and instead of just *giving* it to them she led them on a goose chase that ended with the deaths of hundreds. Legally she may not be responsible (and that's arguable), but morally that's exactly what happened, and that's makes her culpable. 2) Regardless of who the theft was from, she ''knew'' the Qunari had to come find it. She knew it was a Qunari relic of massive importance. She acquired it in Orlais, but there was no question of who she stole it from. 3) I'd feel a lot better about her "survival instinct" if she wasn't knowingly dooming hundreds of innocent people to death and warfare because of it, which is precisely what she knew she was doing. She could've gotten the the tome, got it to HAwke, they went to the Arishok, and once Hawke was told that the Tome of Koslun AND Isabela would have to be taken, he could've fought the Arishok then. But, instead, she caused a war. Hence my problem. 4) The comparisons to Hawke and Fenris don't really apply; almost every death if not ''every'' death Hawke is responsible for was either in self-defense or defending someone else (and you can choose how that goes down), and pretty much all of those people are ''horrible'' (except maybe Thrask, but then you don't have to kill him). And Fenris was an escaped slave suffering from MoreThanMindControl and hadn't thrown off the slave mentality when he killed the Fog Warriors. Theirs is excusable, Isabela's is pure cowardice. 5) Why ''does'' that occur if you let the Arishok have Isabela? I was cool with killing him for what he did - he certainly earned it - but if you give him Isabela, Hawke lets him ''walk.'' And I ''don't understand that.'' I'd really like to know the rationale behind that one, because I don't get it.

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** Okay incoming wall of text, so I'm sectioning it off in numbers. Bear with me here. 1) Actually, the Qunari do have a treaty with the lands of Thedas. Sten and Alistair even discuss it in party banter in DA1. It's why they're not attacking them at the moment. Whether or not it includes extradition is not discussed, but that's not the point - she stole a priceless relic of the Qunari, knew they wanted it back, and instead of just *giving* it to them she led them on a goose chase that ended with the deaths of hundreds. Legally she may not be responsible (and that's arguable), but morally that's exactly what happened, and that's makes her culpable. 2) Regardless of who the theft was from, she ''knew'' the Qunari had to come find it. She knew it was a Qunari relic of massive importance. She acquired it in Orlais, but there was no question of who she stole it from. 3) I'd feel a lot better about her "survival instinct" if she wasn't knowingly dooming hundreds of innocent people to death and warfare because of it, which is precisely what she knew she was doing. She could've gotten the the tome, got it to HAwke, Hawke, they went to the Arishok, and once Hawke was told that the Tome of Koslun AND Isabela would have to be taken, he could've fought the Arishok then. But, instead, she caused a war. Hence my problem. 4) The comparisons to Hawke and Fenris don't really apply; almost every death if not ''every'' death Hawke is responsible for was either in self-defense or defending someone else (and you can choose how that goes down), and pretty much all of those people are ''horrible'' (except maybe Thrask, but then you don't have to kill him). And Fenris was an escaped slave suffering from MoreThanMindControl and hadn't thrown off the slave mentality when he killed the Fog Warriors. Theirs is excusable, Isabela's is pure cowardice. 5) Why ''does'' that occur if you let the Arishok have Isabela? I was cool with killing him for what he did - he certainly earned it - but if you give him Isabela, Hawke lets him ''walk.'' And I ''don't understand that.'' I'd really like to know the rationale behind that one, because I don't get it.
24th Sep '16 5:38:40 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** The demon Merrill is talking to isn't in the Fade; he's trapped in a creepy statue in a cave in the physical world from which it is impossible for him to escape under his own power. Likely he was planning to subvert the opening of the mirror so that it would also open his prison. Merrill seems to know quite a lot about how said prison works (I'd guess by studying the flow of magic around it or similar) so presumably Marethari could figure the same stuff out and had six years to continue studying it while Merrill was elsewhere. Also I object to the idea that the Dalish can't admit that they may be wrong. They constantly explain that they have at best fragments of their history and lore left. They do have difficulty accepting that other elves can have valid lifestyles but that's different.
24th Sep '16 4:53:18 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** As of Inquisition it turns out Corypheus can possess anything with the Darkspawn Taint. My theory is that the reason this kills an Archdemon when it's a Warden and not Corypheus is the whole thing where possession requires permission. The Darkspawn inevitably give permission, being totally under the control of the Archdemon. The Warden doesn't but, unlike and actual demon, the Archdemon isn't choosing to possess the Warden, it's automatic. So it can't stop and the conflict destroys both. Corypheus has wormed his way into the minds of the Wardens he possesses so they give in.
24th Sep '16 4:48:15 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** Desire abominations generally take on the physical form of a desire demon. Sloth abominations do use magic. You think that whole sequence where you were trapped in the fade at the hands of a sloth abomination happened because he was a really good speaker?

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** Desire abominations generally take on the physical form of a desire demon. Sloth abominations do use magic. You think that whole sequence where you were trapped in the fade Fade at the hands of a sloth abomination happened because he was a really good speaker?


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*** The Codex generally gives the impression that there is a hierarchy but it's just an "in general" thing. In general a Desire Demon is stronger than a Sloth Demon and weaker than a Pride Demon but some individual demons of all types will be stronger or weaker than the norm. So by and large only Sloth and up will be strong enough to use magic right after jumping into a mortal body but there will be exceptions.


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*** Those aren't spells though, they're natural abilities, like a dragon's breath weapon.
24th Sep '16 4:40:17 AM GriffinPilgrim
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** As of Inquisition we have our answer on Elven Chantry members: Elves can become brothers and sisters but only human women can actually become priests.
16th Sep '16 7:02:06 AM Koveras
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* Morrigan's comments in ''Witch Hunt'' indicated that the Eluvians went to realms distinct from the Fade (And given what we learn in ''[[DragonAgeInquisition Inquisition]]'' it's likely they ''predate'' the Fade), so it's a dubious claim that the demon could get through the Eluvian. Why did Marethari think the demon was trying to trick Merrill into letting it in, then?. Where did she get that idea? She really seems to believe in it, given how ardently she opposes Merrill's efforts to repair the Eluvian, but there's no evidence that her claims are at all plausible. I get that she's somewhat reactionary in regards to using Blood Magic, but it's a VERY specific conclusion to leap to without ANY evidence.

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* Morrigan's comments in ''Witch Hunt'' indicated that the Eluvians went to realms distinct from the Fade (And given what we learn in ''[[DragonAgeInquisition ''[[VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition Inquisition]]'' it's likely they ''predate'' the Fade), so it's a dubious claim that the demon could get through the Eluvian. Why did Marethari think the demon was trying to trick Merrill into letting it in, then?. Where did she get that idea? She really seems to believe in it, given how ardently she opposes Merrill's efforts to repair the Eluvian, but there's no evidence that her claims are at all plausible. I get that she's somewhat reactionary in regards to using Blood Magic, but it's a VERY specific conclusion to leap to without ANY evidence.
10th Jul '16 8:33:52 PM Discar
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*** Let's not forget that Meredith ''assassinated the previous Viscount,'' and blatantly threatened Dumar on his ascension. This was done with the approval of the previous Divine. It's said multiple times that the Templars are the real power in Kirkwall. Templars, not the Chantry. Clearly, Elthina doesn't think she's got much real power over Meredith, and it's questionable whether she'swilling to do anything at all for fear of bringing down more problems on Kirkwall.

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*** ** Let's not forget that Meredith ''assassinated the previous Viscount,'' and blatantly threatened Dumar on his ascension. This was done with the approval of the previous Divine. It's said multiple times that the Templars are the real power in Kirkwall. Templars, not the Chantry. Clearly, Elthina doesn't think she's got much real power over Meredith, and it's questionable whether she'swilling to do anything at all for fear of bringing down more problems on Kirkwall.
10th Jul '16 6:05:51 PM Lightning4119
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*** Let's not forget that Meredith ''assassinated the previous Viscount,'' and blatantly threatened Dumar on his ascension. This was done with the approval of the previous Divine. It's said multiple times that the Templars are the real power in Kirkwall. Templars, not the Chantry. Clearly, Elthina doesn't think she's got much real power over Meredith, and it's questionable whether she'swilling to do anything at all for fear of bringing down more problems on Kirkwall.
10th Jul '16 10:20:46 AM nombretomado
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** Two guesses here: 1.) He's deliberately hamming it up for his clientele. 2.) BioWare cast David Schultz and recorded his lines before their ideas for the dwarves were finalized (ironically, Schultz himself is American).

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** Two guesses here: 1.) He's deliberately hamming it up for his clientele. 2.) BioWare Creator/BioWare cast David Schultz and recorded his lines before their ideas for the dwarves were finalized (ironically, Schultz himself is American).
5th Jun '16 6:51:11 PM Rotide
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* Morrigan's comments in ''Witch Hunt'' indicated that the Eluvians went to realms distinct from the Fade (And given what we learn in ''[[DragonAgeInquisition Inquisition]]'' it's likely they ''predate'' the Fade), so it's a dubious claim that the demon could get through the Eluvian. Why did Marethari think the demon was trying to trick Merrill into letting it in, then?. Where did she get that idea? She really seems to believe in it, given how ardently she opposses Merrill's efforts to repair the Eluvian, but there's no evidence that her claims are at all plausible. I get that she's somewhat reactionary in regards to using Blood Magic, but it's a VERY specific conclusion to leap to without ANY evidence.

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* Morrigan's comments in ''Witch Hunt'' indicated that the Eluvians went to realms distinct from the Fade (And given what we learn in ''[[DragonAgeInquisition Inquisition]]'' it's likely they ''predate'' the Fade), so it's a dubious claim that the demon could get through the Eluvian. Why did Marethari think the demon was trying to trick Merrill into letting it in, then?. Where did she get that idea? She really seems to believe in it, given how ardently she opposses opposes Merrill's efforts to repair the Eluvian, but there's no evidence that her claims are at all plausible. I get that she's somewhat reactionary in regards to using Blood Magic, but it's a VERY specific conclusion to leap to without ANY evidence.


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** That makes sense, for the most part. What bugs me is Marethari's source for this notion. It's a bit particular, I mean. I get her being paranoid in general, I'm just unsure why/how she had such a specific notion of the demon's goal. It's not that I'm questioning why Marethari would be wrong, I'm questioning how she could be wrong in such a specific way, unless someone was feeding her bad information. (And if it was Audacity, then why did she believe it if she's so mistrustful of demons?)
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