History Headscratchers / DowntonAbbey

11th Oct '16 3:05:36 PM cjay
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* Was it ever explained where the girls' names came from? It's absolutely bizarre that a man who hates (or at least is extremely suspicious of) Catholocism would name his first daughter Mary, isn't it?

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* Was it ever explained where the girls' names came from? It's absolutely bizarre that a man who hates (or at least is extremely suspicious of) Catholocism Catholicism would name his first daughter Mary, isn't it?



** Daisy also has a secure job that provides roof and food, and apparently no dependant family members. It's not as if she's in a similar situation to Ethel, on the verge of starvation.

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** Daisy also has a secure job that provides roof and food, and apparently no dependant dependent family members. It's not as if she's in a similar situation to Ethel, on the verge of starvation.



* In the season 5 Christmas special, Lord Sinderby rudely barks at Thomas to bring him milk for his tea, but I thought Jewish people weren't supposed to mix dairy with other food? Like, I understand that not every Jewish person keeps kosher, but Sinderby is so vociferous in his defence of his faith and traditions it seems like he would. Is it just an oversight on the part of the writers?
** Tea with milk is kosher as kosher is about seperating meat and dairy. It's also very likely that Lord Sinderby isn't very strict as Jews who are strict about keeping kosher generally don't accept the hospitality of non-Jews. This is due to the unavoidable contamination of dairy and meat in not just food preparation but with the china, silverware etc.

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* In the season 5 Christmas special, Lord Sinderby rudely barks at Thomas to bring him milk for his tea, but I thought Jewish people weren't supposed to mix dairy with other food? Like, I understand that not every Jewish person keeps kosher, but Sinderby is so vociferous in his defence defense of his faith and traditions it seems like he would. Is it just an oversight on the part of the writers?
** Tea with milk is kosher as kosher is about seperating separating meat and dairy. It's also very likely that Lord Sinderby isn't very strict as Jews who are strict about keeping kosher generally don't accept the hospitality of non-Jews. This is due to the unavoidable contamination of dairy and meat in not just food preparation but with the china, silverware etc.
2nd Sep '16 8:11:07 AM kundoo
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** O'Brien amd Thomas only fell out in the beginning of the third season which takes place three years after Season 2, episode 3. They were on friendly terms before that so there's plenty of time for her to tell him her secret offscreen.

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** O'Brien amd and Thomas only fell out in the beginning of the third season which takes place three years after Season 2, episode 3. They were on friendly terms before that that, so there's plenty of time for her to tell him her secret offscreen.
2nd Sep '16 8:10:15 AM kundoo
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** O'Brien amd Thomas only fell out in the beginning of the third season which takes place three years after Season 2, episode 3. They were on friendly terms before that so there's plenty of time for her to tell him her secret offscreen.
10th Feb '16 9:03:41 PM KatanaGeldar
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* In the season 5 Christmas special, Lord Sinderby rudely barks at Thomas to bring him milk for his tea, but I thought Jewish people weren't supposed to mix dairy with other food? Like, I understand that not every Jewish person keeps kosher, but Sinderby is so vociferous in his defence of his faith and traditions it seems like he would. Is it just an oversight on the part of the writers?

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* In the season 5 Christmas special, Lord Sinderby rudely barks at Thomas to bring him milk for his tea, but I thought Jewish people weren't supposed to mix dairy with other food? Like, I understand that not every Jewish person keeps kosher, but Sinderby is so vociferous in his defence of his faith and traditions it seems like he would. Is it just an oversight on the part of the writers?writers?
**Tea with milk is kosher as kosher is about seperating meat and dairy. It's also very likely that Lord Sinderby isn't very strict as Jews who are strict about keeping kosher generally don't accept the hospitality of non-Jews. This is due to the unavoidable contamination of dairy and meat in not just food preparation but with the china, silverware etc.
10th Jan '16 2:20:35 PM robodirect
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*** It feels to me as though an "underbutler" is a name the Crawleys pulled out of their top hat to be able to give a job back to Thomas without going back on their previous decision to reduce themselves to only one footman.
**** You guys should know that underbutler is a real term, and just means assistant butler.

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*** It feels to me as though an "underbutler" is a name the Crawleys pulled out of their top hat to be able to give a job back to Thomas without going back on their previous decision to reduce themselves to only one footman.
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**** You guys should know that underbutler is a real term, and just means assistant butler.butler.

* In the season 5 Christmas special, Lord Sinderby rudely barks at Thomas to bring him milk for his tea, but I thought Jewish people weren't supposed to mix dairy with other food? Like, I understand that not every Jewish person keeps kosher, but Sinderby is so vociferous in his defence of his faith and traditions it seems like he would. Is it just an oversight on the part of the writers?
3rd Jan '16 7:04:30 PM Keighvin
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*** It feels to me as though an "underbutler" is a name the Crawleys pulled out of their top hat to be able to give a job back to Thomas without going back on their previous decision to reduce themselves to only one footman.

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*** It feels to me as though an "underbutler" is a name the Crawleys pulled out of their top hat to be able to give a job back to Thomas without going back on their previous decision to reduce themselves to only one footman.footman.
**** You guys should know that underbutler is a real term, and just means assistant butler.
13th Dec '15 3:37:58 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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** Carson doesn't like Thomas very much (or at all), and has wanted to fire him several times, but has ultimately been unable to. So it's easy to imagine it's just Carson being derogatory about an employee he doesn't like and barely tolerates. Also it's never made entirely clear what separates an underbutler from a footman, or the butler himself (this trooper had always assumed it was a footman who was being trained as a butler for when the existing one left, and took on certain duties that a normal footman didn't).

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** Carson doesn't like Thomas very much (or at all), and has wanted to fire him several times, but has ultimately been unable to. So it's easy to imagine it's just Carson being derogatory about an employee he doesn't like and barely tolerates. Also it's never made entirely clear what separates an underbutler from a footman, or the butler himself (this trooper had always assumed it was a footman who was being trained as a butler for when the existing one left, and took on certain duties that a normal footman didn't).didn't).
*** It feels to me as though an "underbutler" is a name the Crawleys pulled out of their top hat to be able to give a job back to Thomas without going back on their previous decision to reduce themselves to only one footman.
12th Dec '15 12:04:14 PM jacq
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** Don't forget that the Queen Consort to George VII was Mary of Teck, and the UK has had two Queen Marys as well as a number of princesses. Queen Victoria's youngest daughter was Beatrice Mary. It's hardly unusual to name your daughter after the Royal Family.
12th Dec '15 11:59:22 AM jacq
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** Not quite the whole story. Lady Rosamund is a Lady in her own right, as the daughter of an Earl. Even if Mr Painswick had had a title, if it was lower in rank than hers it would still be insulting her to call her Lady Painswick and not Lady Rosamund. Hence Lady Edith would have been Lady Edith Strallan, not Lady Strallan, had she married Sir Anthony - his title is less important than hers and does not override it.
5th Dec '15 3:49:26 PM RapidZucchini
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* Did Carlisle publishing the Pamuk scandal actually affect Mary? For two seasons it was the driving point of almost the whole show. Hoards of characters hid what happened, got blackmailed into keeping the secret (Bates and Vera), plotted against her (Edith), were burdened by the secret (Daisy), Mary agreed to marry Carlisle to keep him quiet and lived in fear of it being discovered because Mary's life would be ruined if the story came out. Yet at the beginning of Season 3, no one mentions it and she's still accepted into society and treated with respect. Hell, [[spoiler: after Matthew dies]] she has hoards of suitors even though they must know what she did. There's no drama or consequences at all and Mary and the Granthams aren't shunned by anyone. Was a diplomat ''dying in her bed'' suddenly not a big deal?

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* Did Carlisle publishing the Pamuk scandal actually affect Mary? For two seasons it was the driving point of almost the whole show. Hoards Hordes of characters hid what happened, got blackmailed into keeping the secret (Bates and Vera), plotted against her (Edith), were burdened by the secret (Daisy), Mary agreed to marry Carlisle to keep him quiet and lived in fear of it being discovered because Mary's life would be ruined if the story came out. Yet at the beginning of Season 3, no one mentions it and she's still accepted into society and treated with respect. Hell, [[spoiler: after Matthew dies]] she has hoards hordes of suitors even though they must know what she did. There's no drama or consequences at all and Mary and the Granthams aren't shunned by anyone. Was a diplomat ''dying in her bed'' suddenly not a big deal?
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