History Headscratchers / DoctorWho50thASTheDayOfTheDoctor

13th Feb '17 12:59:48 PM AthenaBlue
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* The Black Archive has a ContinuityCavalcade of dozens of items seen in previous stories. Thing is, some of those items shouldn't be there. The [[Recap/DoctorWhS30E13JourneysEnd Supreme Dalek]], explosives from [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E3PlanetOfTheOod "Planet of the Ood"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E10JourneyToTheCentreOfTheTardis "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS"]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E4TheTimeOfAngels River's shoes]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18 the restraint chair]], and as the icing on the cake [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E10TheGirlWhoWaited Old Amy's sonic probe]], are all visible at some point. However, the explosives and River's shoes are from episodes set in the future; the Supreme Dalek was destroyed on-screen and then left in an exploding space station; the restraint chair was left on the Vinvocci's ship; and most glaringly Old Amy, and consequently her screwdriver (built from Amy's phone) was {{retgone}}d from existence. How on Earth does UNIT possibly have these things?

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* The Black Archive has a ContinuityCavalcade of dozens of items seen in previous stories. Thing is, some of those items shouldn't be there. The [[Recap/DoctorWhS30E13JourneysEnd [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E13JourneysEnd Supreme Dalek]], explosives from [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E3PlanetOfTheOod "Planet of the Ood"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E10JourneyToTheCentreOfTheTardis "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS"]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E4TheTimeOfAngels River's shoes]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18 [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18TheEndOfTime the restraint chair]], and as the icing on the cake [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E10TheGirlWhoWaited Old Amy's sonic probe]], probe]] are all visible at some point. However, the explosives and River's shoes are from episodes set in the future; the Supreme Dalek was destroyed on-screen and then left in an exploding space station; the restraint chair was left on the Vinvocci's ship; and most glaringly Old Amy, and consequently her screwdriver (built from Amy's phone) was {{retgone}}d from existence. How on Earth does UNIT possibly have these things?
13th Feb '17 12:58:42 PM AthenaBlue
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* The Black Archive has a ContinuityCavalcade of dozens of items seen in previous stories. Thing is, some of those items shouldn't be there. The [[Recap/DoctorWhS30E13JourneysEnd Supreme Dalek]], explosives from [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E3PlanetOfTheOod "Planet of the Ood"]] and [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E10JourneyToTheCentreOfTheTardis "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS"]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E4TheTimeOfAngels River's shoes]], [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18 the restraint chair]], and as the icing on the cake [[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E10TheGirlWhoWaited Old Amy's sonic probe]], are all visible at some point. However, the explosives and River's shoes are from episodes set in the future; the Supreme Dalek was destroyed on-screen and then left in an exploding space station; the restraint chair was left on the Vinvocci's ship; and most glaringly Old Amy, and consequently her screwdriver (built from Amy's phone) was {{retgone}}d from existence. How on Earth does UNIT possibly have these things?
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22nd Jan '17 10:01:25 AM MrThorfan64
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*** The succession laws in regard to the crown of England do not run backwards, you can't inherit the crown from your spouse.
20th Dec '16 5:50:51 PM DoctorNemesis
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** The earlier [=TARDISes=] may not have had a waveform extrapolator, but they likely had some kind of forcefield technology. Possibly FridgeBrilliance; the Ninth Doctor didn't have a forcefield because the TARDIS was damaged during the Time War, and the waveform extrapolator allowed him to ''replace'' it.
20th Dec '16 7:53:55 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** It's possible that those other adventures happen in the ten or so seconds at the end of "Rose" when the Ninth Doctor disappears in the TARDIS without Rose before returning to pick her up again. In any case, while she might not have been the literal first face that the Ninth Doctor sees, it's hard to argue that she doesn't make a very strong instant impression on him and quickly becomes one of the most important people in that incarnation's life, so the point as made by the poster above still stands.
24th Sep '16 5:20:43 PM nombretomado
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* Isn't it BreakingTheFourthWall for 11 to call 10 "Dick Van Dyke", since it's a reference to DavidTennant not using his real accent as the Doctor?

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* Isn't it BreakingTheFourthWall for 11 to call 10 "Dick Van Dyke", since it's a reference to DavidTennant Creator/DavidTennant not using his real accent as the Doctor?
16th Sep '16 9:23:30 AM DoctorNemesis
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** As for Bad Wolf / not explaining what's going on, the War Doctor's there to observe his future selves to see how they've ended up and what they're like. He wants to get as accurate and natural impression of them as possible so he can figure out how they've turned out, so mentioning "Oh BT-dub, guys, this weapon of mass destruction I'm conflicted about activating has taken on the form of some blonde I haven't met yet and is sending me through time to observe you, so just act natural, yeah?" isn't likely to help, and is more likely to cause more arguments and explanations than it's worth. He probably explained it afterwards (or, more likely, given the Tenth Doctor's reaction to the out-of-nowhere mention of "Bad Wolf Girl", his future selves probably put two and two together in some way).
15th Sep '16 2:12:57 AM DoctorNemesis
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** The War Doctor also doesn't need to ''learn'' what it's like to feel guilty, sad and bitter about destroying Gallifrey; he's ''already'' guilty, sad and bitter about what's going on, to the point where he's renounced his name because he doesn't feel he can call himself the Doctor anymore. He already feels pretty crappy about the choices he's made and the choice he feels he's being forced into making, so seeing that his immediate future self also feels pretty crappy about it isn't really going to tell him anything he can't already surmise.

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** The War Doctor also doesn't need to ''learn'' what it's like to feel guilty, sad and bitter about destroying Gallifrey; he's ''already'' guilty, sad and bitter about what's going on, to the point where he's renounced his name because he doesn't feel he can call himself the Doctor anymore. He It's not like he's going into things expecting that destroying his home world and everyone on it is going to feel great; he already feels pretty crappy about the choices he's made and the choice he feels he's being forced into making, so seeing that his immediate future self also feels pretty crappy about it isn't really going to tell him anything he can't already surmise.
15th Sep '16 2:11:15 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Even leaving aside all the things that were removed from it, memory can be a funny thing. Once the War Doctor regenerates, the Ninth Doctor probably has a whole jumble of confused and contradictory memories about what just happened, not just from what the War Doctor experienced but from what his previous eight selves (and future three selves) experienced as well. He probably remembers stealing the Moment and activating it, but then has a lot of confused and fragmentary stuff rattling around in his brain involving him flying around Dalek ships in the TARDIS as they blast Gallifrey, followed by a massive explosion that results in Gallifrey and the Daleks gone. So he put together a rough idea of what happened from those fragments, came up with some logical ways to fill the gaps based on what he knew for certain he'd done and came to a logical conclusion about what must have happened. And since people can be good at retroactively editing their memories to suit their preconceptions (it's partly why two people might have very different memories of the same event that they both experienced), he convinced himself that that logical conclusion was exactly what he experienced even though it wasn't.

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** Even leaving aside all the things that were removed from it, memory can be a funny thing. Once the War Doctor regenerates, the Ninth Doctor probably has a whole jumble of confused and contradictory memories about what he just happened, experienced -- not just from what the War Doctor experienced Doctor's perspective but from what the perspective of his other eight previous eight selves (and selves, his future three selves) selves, and what he himself experienced in his own personal future as well. He probably remembers stealing the Moment and activating it, but then has a lot of confused and fragmentary stuff rattling around in his brain involving him flying around Dalek ships in the TARDIS as they blast Gallifrey, followed by a massive explosion that results in Gallifrey and the Daleks gone. So he put together a rough idea of what happened from those fragments, came up with some logical ways to fill the gaps based on what he knew for certain he'd done and came to a logical conclusion about what must have happened. And since people can be good at retroactively editing their memories to suit their preconceptions (it's partly why two people might have very different memories of the same event that they both experienced), he convinced himself that that logical conclusion was exactly what he experienced even though it wasn't.


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** The War Doctor also doesn't need to ''learn'' what it's like to feel guilty, sad and bitter about destroying Gallifrey; he's ''already'' guilty, sad and bitter about what's going on, to the point where he's renounced his name because he doesn't feel he can call himself the Doctor anymore. He already feels pretty crappy about the choices he's made and the choice he feels he's being forced into making, so seeing that his immediate future self also feels pretty crappy about it isn't really going to tell him anything he can't already surmise.
15th Sep '16 1:50:21 AM DoctorNemesis
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** The real Elizabeth I wasn't exactly free of vanity and, in the episode, appears to have a pretty massive crush on the Doctor; she might have just convinced herself that the Doctor was merely lying / bluffing / joking about all that bad teeth, narrow eyes, smelly etc. stuff. She wouldn't be the first.
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