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31st Dec '16 1:01:12 PM Sharlee
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** Considering Adipose are walking lumps of fat, why assume alcohol would even affect them? Could be that booze is entirely baby-safe for their species.

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** Considering Adipose are walking lumps of fat, why assume alcohol would even affect them? them? Could be that booze is entirely baby-safe for their species.
31st Dec '16 1:00:25 PM Sharlee
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** Considering Adipose are walking lumps of fat, why assume alcohol would even affect them? Could be that booze is entirely baby-safe for their species.



** Based on the Master that emerges in Series 8, while he/she is still a complete whackjob the new master clearly wants to do some repairing to her friendship/relationship with the Doctor. So I take it that's as good a turn as can be expected from the Master

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** Based on the Master that emerges in Series 8, while he/she is still a complete whackjob the new master Master clearly wants to do some repairing to her friendship/relationship with the Doctor. So I take it that's as good a turn as can be expected from the Master


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* Wasn't Martha engaged to that guy she met in [[spoiler:"The Last of the Time Lords"? Why did she end up marrying Mickey in "The End of Time"?]]
** Not every engaged couple makes it to the altar. Martha got engaged pretty quickly, too. Things must have just not worked out, possibly because she couldn't share her alien experiences with him or because she went after him largely because of his actions in the Year That Never Was.
** Between the time of Martha's engagement to a man with a tendency towards HeroicSacrifice and her marriage to Mickey there was a Dalek invasion. Do the math.
** Davies said that Milligan was the rebound guy. Remember how her telling Donna and the Doctor about him focused on ways he reminded her of the Doctor? By the time she's on her honeymoon with Mickey in ''Children of Earth'', it's been a year since ''Journey's End'', plenty of time for her to break up with Tom and get together with Mickey.
*** I also want to point out the fact that "Milligan" is really, ''REALLY'' close to a "mulligan", or a retry, as it were...
*** It's been a year for the Doctor. But it's a time travel show. Who knows how long it's been from her point of view.
*** It can't have been too long - maybe Martha broke up with Tom between the Sontaran episodes and the finale episodes, or maybe it was after ''Journey's End'', but either way, once they're back on earth, they're back in the normal timestream. When Torchwood pop up in ''The Stolen Earth'', it is made explicitly clear that the episodes take place after series 2 of ''Torchwood'' [[spoiler:because reference is made to the deaths of Tosh and Owen]]. It's not known how much time passes between ''Journey's End'' and Day One of ''Children Of Earth'', but it can't be more than a year or so, since they tend to try and keep the stories reasonably present-day [[spoiler:and they haven't replaced Tosh or Owen yet]]. The clip of the Doctor saying goodbye to Martha and Mickey probably took place much later in their timestream, because they are already married and having adventures again, but in ''Children of Earth'', Martha's absence is explained as her being on her honeymoon. There IS time for them to get together, but it's not much - especially when you realise Martha didn't know Mickey before ''Journey's End'', so it's not like she had any more time with him than she did with Tom. Still seems a bit PairTheSpares to me.
** We don't know how much time passed in between Martha breaking it off with Tom Milligan and marrying Mickey. It could be several years for all we know. There was no context for it in the scene when the Doctor saved their lives.
12th Nov '16 6:00:24 PM nombretomado
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Fifthly, what makes all of this horrifying (and where I suspect the point is being missed)? As the OP points out, when he's doing all of this, the Doctor's not that different from what he usually does and how he usually acts. But the crucial thing is, he's clearly crossed a line. Yes, he saves lives, but there's a difference between saving lives because it's the right thing to do and saving lives because you want to make the universe and everyone in it your bitch and let everyone know that "I'm the winner!" -- the former is admirable, the latter is kind of monstrous, particularly since it's heavily implied that the Doctor is just doing this because he's terrified of his own impending death and wants to prove that he can change it if he wants, not out of any genuine benevolence. There's a different between flaunting the fact that you're the cleverest person in the room and deciding that everyone -- except for a few people who happen to impress you -- are "little people" who aren't really that important. Who the fuck is the Doctor to decide who's meaningful and who's a 'little person'? There's a difference between boasting a bit about how good you are and calling ''yourself'' something like "the Time Lord Victorious" -- and seriously, people, that's the kind of thing ''supervillains and mad dictators'' call themselves. If you're giving yourself a name that JosefStalin or Kim Jung Il would have happily given themselves if they'd gotten the opportunity, you might want to rethink things. The point being, the Doctor's clearly gone from being a lovably arrogant know-it-all to someone who thinks he knows best for the entire universe. That can't end well.\\

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Fifthly, what makes all of this horrifying (and where I suspect the point is being missed)? As the OP points out, when he's doing all of this, the Doctor's not that different from what he usually does and how he usually acts. But the crucial thing is, he's clearly crossed a line. Yes, he saves lives, but there's a difference between saving lives because it's the right thing to do and saving lives because you want to make the universe and everyone in it your bitch and let everyone know that "I'm the winner!" -- the former is admirable, the latter is kind of monstrous, particularly since it's heavily implied that the Doctor is just doing this because he's terrified of his own impending death and wants to prove that he can change it if he wants, not out of any genuine benevolence. There's a different between flaunting the fact that you're the cleverest person in the room and deciding that everyone -- except for a few people who happen to impress you -- are "little people" who aren't really that important. Who the fuck is the Doctor to decide who's meaningful and who's a 'little person'? There's a difference between boasting a bit about how good you are and calling ''yourself'' something like "the Time Lord Victorious" -- and seriously, people, that's the kind of thing ''supervillains and mad dictators'' call themselves. If you're giving yourself a name that JosefStalin UsefulNotes/JosefStalin or Kim Jung Il would have happily given themselves if they'd gotten the opportunity, you might want to rethink things. The point being, the Doctor's clearly gone from being a lovably arrogant know-it-all to someone who thinks he knows best for the entire universe. That can't end well.\\
9th Sep '16 8:03:01 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** Not everything can be cured. Also, radiation poisoning isn't just an illness, it's massive damage and corruption to every single one of his cells. The only way to fix it would be to completely rebuild the cells from scratch -- i.e., to ''regenerate'' them. Even if he did go to New Earth, he'd probably have to regenerate anyway.
8th Sep '16 6:56:20 PM inspibrain101
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** The other two survivors didn't really seem to be "ungrateful". This troper just thought they were in shock. You said so yourself- they were in what they thought were the final moments of their lives, then suddenly Deus Ex Machina-ed into a box that's bigger on the inside, and suddenly they're on the streets of London. It's impressive that they didn't just pass out on the spot.
4th Sep '16 1:33:34 AM finalfaw
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* One thing I wondered is (yes, taking into account the stress of the situation) is why the other two survivors are absolutley freaked out about the Doctor SAVING THEIR LIVES, as far as we are aware only Adelaide knew of the whole "fixed point in time deaths" thing, the other two just had what they though was the final moments of their lives literally Deus ex machina-ed, and instead of "thank you, you saved our lives, they actually seemed disgusted what the helling him, to be fair Adelaide had her reasons but still now her daughter is going to be traumatised by finding her mothers body with (presumably) a hole in her head, the suicide was stupid, but i kinda get it, the situation on mars probably would of made her warn any of her family doing space travel.
4th Sep '16 1:21:11 AM finalfaw
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** I have two theories, either could be wrong or right, 1) The Flood parasites are literally subserviant, and there is something worse under the glacier, or maybe how they spread from planet to planet, but they need so many infectees to crack the ice fully. or 2) the flood knew it was buggered with the nuke and was trying to fragment the infected ice so it would get flung out into space to spread.
20th Jul '16 3:28:56 PM inspibrain101
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*** Or maybe they were exposed to the Third Doctor, who also died of radiation poisoning...
20th Jul '16 2:44:07 PM inspibrain101
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** The TARDIS is actually meant to be a safe, neutral environment for a regenerating Time Lord, complete with a Zero-environment room. To Date (July 2016), 11 of his 13 regenerations have taken place in or near the TARDIS, and another one of those, (8 -> War Doctor), was under fairly controlled circumstances. The one time he was all the way across town, (7->8), it was messy. Complete Amnesia. So, Rule of Thumb, the TARDIS is a good place to regenerate.
20th Jul '16 2:37:13 PM inspibrain101
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** The problem wasn't that Adelaide committed suicide or that the Doctor was being uber-arrogant, though those are definitely symptoms of the real problem; The Doctor has always been careful to respect the laws of time, avoid paradoxes, and never interfere with fixed points. On one end of the spectrum, you have Time Lord Society, who look down on the Doctor for even daring to set foot on Earth and contaminate the time stream, rather than watch it safely from a distance. On the other end, you have the Master, (or, my personal favorite evil Time Lord, the Meddling Monk,) who interfere with time for their own ends, or manipulate events to create a "brighter future". (The Meddling Monk's motives really were benevolent!) Normally, the Doctor follows guidelines (don't step on a butterfly) that make time travel a fun, quantum-safe experience for himself and his companions. Once, he was given the opportunity to wipe out the Daleks when they were still balls of flesh in test tubes, but the Doctor at that time refused to, saying he didn't have the right to interfere with time on that scale, even if it would save billions of lives. The Doctor crossed the threshold into "shape the universe into how I think it should go" territory, (which he deliberately turned down in School Reunion, if you'll recall).
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