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17th Jun '13 10:44:47 AM greenpanda666

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16th Jun '13 11:32:48 PM MrThorfan64

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16th Jun '13 11:18:05 PM MrThorfan64

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[[folder:Doctor/Sarah Jane Romance?]]
* Wait, The Doctor and Sarah Jane had a romantic relationship? ''Since when?'' (it also bugs me that Sarah doesn't mention that ''her'' doctor was a middle-aged man with an overly long scarf)
** It was never actually said, but "School Reunion" implies that Sarah was in love with the Doctor, and Tom Baker and Lis Sladen both theorized that Sarah and the Doctor were "boinking all over the TARDIS," to put it one way. And Sarah had two Doctors, don't forget (and met One, Two, and Five).
*** They did?! When?
*** Not sure who the "they" you're referring to is, but if you mean Lis and Tom's theory, I don't remember exactly when but I think they were at least half-joking, and if you mean meeting One, Two, and Five, that was in "The Five Doctors."
*** And you'd be on pretty dangerous ground if you took everything Tom Baker says entirely at face value.
**** Especially on the subject of shipping - Tom Baker seems to be just a bit of an old perv, really.
*** Besides it wouldn't have to be overtly romantic to be very intense. Micky Smith was totally changed by his time with the Doctor (going from a Series One scene in which he yelled after a retreating Rose to go to the Doctor, since "it's always going to be the Doctor, it's never going to be me!", to an exchange in Series Two where he virtually reiterated his dialogue from the earlier conversation - only this time telling the Doctor to go after Rose, bitterly stating that "it's never going to be me, is it?") and he was straight and had all of two days actually traveling in the TARDIS.
**** Wait, I may be missing a scene here or something, but at no point during this episode do I remember a romantic relationship being outright stated... Sure, "you were my life" and "getting your heart broken" can be ''interpreted'' as romantic, but... we're not exactly talking about two normal people in a tv soap opera here. We're talking about people who travelled all of time and space together. That's got to broaden your interpretations of language a bit... 
***** There aren't many other ways of interpreting it, and it does seem to be the writers' intention to claim they were in a relationship.
****** Jack Harkness would probably disagree with your saying "there aren't many other ways of interpreting" it. And there's at least ONE other interpretation: a deep, loving but primarily platonic relationship (read, the word relationship obviously does not just refer to romance) which came about as a result of their having seen all the wonders (and terrors) of time and space together. I think people are reading too much into this, I don't think they've ever done more than vaguely ''implied'' this stuff.
******* I just thought they meant it as a very intense Romantic Friendship, which I get a very firm vibe for from pretty much every single episode with 4 and Sarah with no other companions...
******* Why Jack Harkness?
******* Becaue he clearly has more complicated (or simplified, depending on how you look at it) ideas about hiow romance and love work. By his time period the kind of relationships that are considered strange or otherwise unusual amongst many cultures seem to be easily accepted. It probably works the other way around too. Present day television always seems to present Love as being a 'one or the other' thing (you're either romantically involved, dealing with UST or both, or you're entirely platonic). Nothing concrete, but I doubt Jack would see it that way. 
***** Sarah Jane started her run with the 3rd doctor on his show. The romantic relationship was implied with the fourth doctor. One of the things that shows how important she was to the Doctor is Sarah Jane got K-9. The Doctor cared about her so much she got advanced tech that would protect her. That in the old series. In the new one they were just fleshing out what had been implied with looks and so on.
****** She got ''a'' K9. Romana and Leela got K9s, too. For those keeping count that's every companion the Fourth Doctor had parted company with before he regenerated. Plus she was the last to get one, too. Seems less special in that light.
******* Harry Sullivan didn't get a K-9.
****** Except that K9 Mark I ''chose'' to stay with Leela; the Doctor merely relented in that case. And in Romana's case, K9 Mark II ''had'' to stay with Romana in E-Space, because if he ever returned to normal space, the damage done to him would end up destroying him. It should also be noted that we never see the Doctor travelling with K9 Mark III, which suggests that he built him ''for the express purpose of sending him to Sarah Jane.''
***** Considering that K9 was planned by the writers as being sent by the Master, and ended up actually being from the Doctor only because there was no K9 and Company series to continue the plot thread, that's unlikely. Any series contains "looks" and gestures and random plot elements and random dialog that can be used by sufficiently motivated fans to conclude that there's something romantic between just about any two characters--it's impossible to produce a series where fans can't find this "evidence". This ended up as canon in the new series because RTD was RunningTheAsylum and got to write fan theories into canon, not because it was really in the original series.

***** ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' made it explicit that it was never a romantic relationship.
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16th Jun '13 11:15:56 PM MrThorfan64

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[[folder:Disappearing Ace]]
* So whatever happened with Ace?
** In the EU, Ace either:
** a) Dies heroically as a teenager saving the universe in some way or another (in a ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comic "Ground Zero").
** b) Circa her mid-twenties, after a career as a combination of DarkActionGirl and NinetiesAntiHero when by most fan accounts she turned into TheScrappy, parts from the Doctor, who gives her her own time motorcycle and polices the timeline of Paris (according to the novel ''Set Piece'' by Kate Orman).
** c) Changes her name to Mc Shane and still travels with the Doctor and another companion named Hector or "Hex" (in the ongoing audio plays from BigFinish).
** d) Or eventually becomes the last-but-one of the Time Lords after the death (and we mean literal ''death'') of the Doctor in the {{Elseworlds}}-ish webcast ''Death Comes to Time''. (Another Time Lord, the Minister of Chance, carries on for the Doctor.) (This last came out prior to the new series revival.) Obviously, the ExpandedUniverse contradicts itself a lot. Most notoriously in the case of Ace.
** e) Had the series not gotten cancelled, script editor Andrew Cartmel favored turning into a Time Lady. 
**** So humans can be turned into Time Lords? The more you know...
**** Although this has never been dealt with in the series, it is a common fan theory that "Time Lord" and "Gallifreyan" are not the same thing. Time Lord is a title received by going through the Academy, so a person who is not from Gallifrey could theoretically achieve it. On the other hand, the new series has referred to Time Lord as the Doctor's race, and he himself has mentioned having "Time Lord DNA", so this could all be utter nonsense.
***** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS15E6TheInvasionOfTime The Invasion of Time]] features a group of "savage" Gallifreyans, ones who reside and survive outside the Citadel and clearly lack the cognitive abilites of their fellow Time Lords. Besides, it's been a recurring concept in the classic series that Gallifreyans were just another race of near-humans until Rassilon used his miraculous infinite source of energy, the Eye of Harmony[[note]]actually a black hole, which he somehow discovered how to "harvest"[[/note]] for the invention of all their time-related technology, including the [=TARDISes=], and to introduce and provide power to the regeneration process.
***** The answer has been revealed! Recap/DoctorWhoS32E7AGoodManGoesToWar confirms it - Amy Pond's daughter Melody [[spoiler: aka River Song]], is human, but has got traces of Time Lord DNA - exposure to the time vortex can make you a Time Lord even when you're still in the womb!
****** It can give you Time Lord features but even further messing around to try to create a Time Lord on the part of the villains only gave her ''some'' Time Lord DNA. 
***** Maybe "Gazing into the heart of time" and whatever other fun little ceremony the Time Lords put the adepts through messed up their DNA, and thus "Time Lord DNA" differs from Human AND Gallifreyan DNA and they are thus a species of their own?
***** Again, from the novels, this is kind of true but with nanomachines messing with DNA rather than the gazing. I don't imagine this will ever make it to the series though.
***** According to ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' there's at least one Dorothy running about raising money for charity on earth. That could be Ace. 
****** Almost Definitely Ace, the charity is called [[FunWithAcronyms A Charitable Earth]] (ACE)
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