History Headscratchers / DisneyPrincess

16th Mar '16 12:30:01 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** I think it's just largely because she's not nobility and not important enough - in her film, she's not the primary character (Hiro), the secondary character (Baymax), or the third one (Tadashi?). She's just a supporting member of the superhero team who doesn't have an actual character arc or significant role to play. The most accurate comparison I can think of would be if they decided to make Terk from ''Tarzan'' a Disney Princess, on the basis of her being a girl who's action-y, upbeat, and semi-important to the story in a Disney film. It takes more than that.
4th Mar '16 5:05:10 AM fearlessnikki
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** The criteria seems to be a) popular heroine from a popular movie and b) someone who can appeal to multiple demographics. Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine and Rapunzel are all from very popular movies and instantly recognisable. The others are from less popular movies but do have that minority demographic appeal. Tiana of course is the first black princess, Mulan appeals to the Asian demographic and Pocahontas to the Native American. Merida seems to be the odd one out but she's Scottish and more of a tomboy than the others, so that's demographic appeal too. With other characters, their movies weren't that popular - Esmerelda and Megara are considerably less known than say Ariel or Belle. Likewise they're not human - Nala, Maid Marian. Or perhaps too young - Alice and Wendy.

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** The criteria seems to be a) popular heroine from a popular movie and b) someone who can appeal to multiple demographics. Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, Jasmine and Rapunzel are all from very popular movies and instantly recognisable. The others are from less popular movies but do have that minority demographic appeal. Tiana of course is the first black princess, Mulan appeals to the Asian demographic and Pocahontas to the Native American. Merida seems to be the odd one out but she's Scottish and more of a tomboy than the others, so that's demographic appeal too. With other characters, their movies weren't that popular - Esmerelda and Megara are considerably less known than say Ariel or Belle. Also they don't have any apparent ethnicity - Esmerelda just looking AmbiguouslyBrown and Meg only appearing to be another Caucasian brunette. Pocahontas and Mulan are easily identifiable as Native American and Chinese, so they get in for diversity's sake. That's probably the reason Jasmine is in there too, as she's the only princess who isn't the main character in her film. Likewise they're not human - Nala, Maid Marian. Or perhaps too young - Alice and Wendy.



** And in real life, she was presented as royalty to the English. They didn't quite understand how the Native American chieftain system worked, and so they just presented Pocahontas as the princess. John Rolfe's family in real life even worried about him marrying so far above his station, since they thought Pocahontas was actually royalty.



*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quite branded as such.

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*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quite branded as such.such.
** It's possibly because ''Frozen'' was such a success that there was no need to. ''Frozen'' itself has become a CashCowFranchise and was a cultural phenomenon - far more than any of the other movies.
17th Feb '16 7:12:43 AM fearlessnikki
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** And a more meta reason: they want to avoid putting the movie into the GirlShowGhetto. The Disney Princess line is 'for girls' while the Marvel properties are 'for boys'. They might be afraid that Disney Princess merchandise of Honey would alienate the little boys who like the movie. And Honey isn't the protagonist. Jasmine is the only princess in the line that isn't the lead in her film, but she narrowly gets in because she's still prominent. Honey's just a supporting character.
** And possibly because her movie is set in the future, while the princesses all come from various parts of history. Thus they get to have GorgeousPeriodDress outfits, while Honey's two outfits are her sweater and skirt, and her superhero costume.


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** It's the MemeticMutation giving her a personality she doesn't have in the movie. "Let It Go" is synonymous with "fuck the haters, I'm gonna be myself from now on" and that's how it appears out of context.
30th Jan '16 8:44:42 PM rjd1922
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*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quiet branded as such.

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*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quiet quite branded as such.
1st Jan '16 7:56:16 PM helterskelter
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*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quiet branded as such.
* Amy's Pocket Princesses. I feel neutral about the series as a whole. Though the art style's cool, I think Amy mischaracterizes the princesses a little too much, showing Cinderella as a clean freak or Mulan as a messy tomboy who dislikes the more feminine princesses (even attempting to threaten them at one point with weapons!). I know she exaggerates the characters for comedy but I feel people are utterly convinced these flawed characteristics are the proper princesses and that's somehow flawed.

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*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quiet branded as such.
* Amy's Pocket Princesses. I feel neutral about the series as a whole. Though the art style's cool, I think Amy mischaracterizes the princesses a little too much, showing Cinderella as a clean freak or Mulan as a messy tomboy who dislikes the more feminine princesses (even attempting to threaten them at one point with weapons!). I know she exaggerates the characters for comedy but I feel people are utterly convinced these flawed characteristics are the proper princesses and that's somehow flawed.
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1st Jan '16 4:03:12 PM Redmane
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*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quiet branded as such.

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*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quiet branded as such.such.
* Amy's Pocket Princesses. I feel neutral about the series as a whole. Though the art style's cool, I think Amy mischaracterizes the princesses a little too much, showing Cinderella as a clean freak or Mulan as a messy tomboy who dislikes the more feminine princesses (even attempting to threaten them at one point with weapons!). I know she exaggerates the characters for comedy but I feel people are utterly convinced these flawed characteristics are the proper princesses and that's somehow flawed.
23rd Dec '15 10:28:47 PM helterskelter
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** I thought I heard someone say she was going to be formally inducted into the line, even though she was a queen. (Ironically, I think a lot of people are excited to have her in the line ''because'' she's a queen, and she's the oldest, and all that other jazz that gets fangirls and fanboys excited.)

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** I thought I heard someone say she was going to be formally inducted into the line, even though she was a queen. (Ironically, I think a lot of people are excited to have her in the line ''because'' she's a queen, and she's the oldest, and all that other jazz that gets fangirls and fanboys excited.))
*** There's always been rumors, but Disney hasn't so much as suggested it in the past. They get included with Disney Princess stuff, but never quiet branded as such.
23rd Dec '15 3:43:08 PM whisperstar13
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** I thought I heard someone say she was going to be formally inducted into the line, even though she was a queen. (Ironically, I think a lot of people are excited to have her in the line ''because'' she's a queen, and they can all be like, "ZOMG! Elsa's a Disney Princess, and she's a queen, and she's 21 years old!")

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** I thought I heard someone say she was going to be formally inducted into the line, even though she was a queen. (Ironically, I think a lot of people are excited to have her in the line ''because'' she's a queen, and they can all be like, "ZOMG! Elsa's a Disney Princess, and she's a queen, the oldest, and she's 21 years old!")all that other jazz that gets fangirls and fanboys excited.)
23rd Dec '15 3:38:04 PM whisperstar13
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** She is not, actually, one of the official Disney Princesses. As to why fans include her, probably because she fits with them aesthetically and her movie has all the hallmarks of a Disney Princess movie. Even so, being an actual princess has no bearing on being a Disney Princess--see Pocahontas and Mulan.

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** She is not, actually, one of the official Disney Princesses. As to why fans include her, probably because she fits with them aesthetically and her movie has all the hallmarks of a Disney Princess movie. Even so, being an actual princess has no bearing on being a Disney Princess--see Pocahontas and Mulan.Mulan.
** I thought I heard someone say she was going to be formally inducted into the line, even though she was a queen. (Ironically, I think a lot of people are excited to have her in the line ''because'' she's a queen, and they can all be like, "ZOMG! Elsa's a Disney Princess, and she's a queen, and she's 21 years old!")
30th Nov '15 11:00:48 PM helterskelter
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* Why is Elsa considered a Disney princess? She's not a princess, she's a queen!

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* Why is Elsa considered a Disney princess? She's not a princess, she's a queen!queen!
** She is not, actually, one of the official Disney Princesses. As to why fans include her, probably because she fits with them aesthetically and her movie has all the hallmarks of a Disney Princess movie. Even so, being an actual princess has no bearing on being a Disney Princess--see Pocahontas and Mulan.
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