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24th Jul '17 9:22:39 PM ZoeyPosthuman
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** How do you know that the other named members of UNATCO aren't code names? Furthermore, JC and Paul are the ones with nano-augmentation, so they're already unique in comparison to the rest. They might have defected, but it's not like they're going to consider their allies to be able to be trusted with their real identities. By the point of Invisible War, it's probably JC's choice to still be known by that, perhaps considering whoever he was beforehand dead. Alternatively, keeping with real world agent work, it's quite possible they're really named JC and Paul, as it's hard for someone to not instinctively react to their real name, which can reveal an agent's identity. By Invisible War, they probably see no connection to their old last name, hence keeping Denton.

22nd May '17 10:15:36 PM Wolf101
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* First, if you asked Jaime to work as a spy in UNATCO, how does he know to look for you in Paris? Second, given your mission in Paris is to find Everett, how does Tong know where to send Alex, and how does he get there so quickly?
3rd May '17 11:47:01 AM RemiV
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* Why is J.C. seemingly the only UNATCO member with a codename? Why does Paul, who would be more comfortable using JC's real name, continue to call him JC even after he defects? Why do they also continue to call him JC in Invisible War, long after UNATCO is gone?
24th Apr '17 8:16:02 PM Wolf101
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** I don't see why it's so unbelievable. Paul was the UNATCO golden boy, yet nobody has any trouble believing that he was an NSF mole. Is it so hard to believe that both Dentons had been turned?
9th Mar '17 1:18:07 PM thevideogameempire
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*** This actually might be justified. The soldiers are currently in the lower floors, and the helipad apparently accepts all sorts of clandestine transport all the time, and Jock was a regular flyer for them (and MJ12 hasn't entirely twigged to the fact he's a traitor by this point), so him landing is nothing special, though it's more or less stated that if they discover you are with him, his life is gonna suck, hence the urgency with which you have to get his chopper disengaged from the remote lock before he and you get your asses shot off. Also, note that later he is explicitly identified to be working with you as a fellow terrorist, so they wised up after you liberated his chopper. To be fair, it does seem odd that the two guard on the roof weren't doing shit, but from looks of the wine bottles lying around, they were probably drunk off their ass, and the other MJ12 guys (assuming you sneak up on them) were also taking a break, which makes things somewhat more plausible.

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*** This actually might be justified. The soldiers are currently in the lower floors, and the helipad apparently accepts all sorts of clandestine transport all the time, and Jock was a regular flyer for them (and MJ12 hasn't entirely twigged to the fact he's a traitor by this point), so him landing is nothing special, though it's more or less stated that if they discover you are with him, his life is gonna suck, hence the urgency with which you have to get his chopper disengaged from the remote lock before he and you get your asses shot off. Also, note that later he is explicitly identified to be working with you as a fellow terrorist, so they wised up after you liberated his chopper. To be fair, it does seem odd that the two guard guards on the roof weren't doing shit, but from looks of the wine bottles lying around, they were probably drunk off their ass, and the other MJ12 guys (assuming you sneak up on them) were also taking a break, which makes things somewhat more plausible.
9th Mar '17 1:12:11 PM thevideogameempire
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9th Mar '17 1:11:41 PM thevideogameempire
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** I always saw it as the upstairs offices were shared between the grunts as they only really needed access to computers to write up reports, the denton's office (initially paul's) is because the nano-aug project was Manderley's baby and I wouldn't be supprised if said office originally belonged to anna and gunther (would help explain their hostility at nano-augs and fear of being replaced). as for anna and gunther being stuck in a corridor, well just look at where they are, they are in perfect position to question prisoner's and should someone try to break out they have to first get past a pair of psychotic cyborgs.

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** I always saw it as the upstairs offices were shared between the grunts as they only really needed access to computers to write up reports, the denton's office (initially paul's) is because the nano-aug project was Manderley's baby and I wouldn't be supprised if said office originally belonged to anna and gunther (would help explain their hostility at nano-augs and fear of being replaced). as for anna and gunther being stuck in a corridor, well just look at where they are, they are in perfect position to question prisoner's prisoners and should someone try to break out they have to first get past a pair of psychotic cyborgs.
9th Mar '17 1:08:48 PM thevideogameempire
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** Let's see... scores of terrorists, blew the Liberty Statue's head off, stole priceless Ambrosia vaccine, attacking UNATCO men... yes, all in all, there is a damn lot of troubles on the island. And if you refer to the assault bots inside [=MJ12=] territory I'm pretty sure they were delivered disassembled via a separate entrance.

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** Let's see... scores of terrorists, terrorists blew the Liberty Statue's head off, stole priceless Ambrosia vaccine, attacking UNATCO men... yes, all in all, there is a damn lot of troubles on the island. And if you refer to the assault bots inside [=MJ12=] territory I'm pretty sure they were delivered disassembled via a separate entrance.
19th Jan '17 12:29:02 PM Kalaong
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** Despite being a rather crazy plan, I thought Tong at least made a case for global collapse. "Government on a scale comprehensible to its citizens" is a notion that stuck with me. Perhaps it indicates a difference between the real world and the world of Deus Ex. In our world, communication is bad for tyranny. In Deus Ex, technology gives tyrants a chance to control the world.

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** Despite being a rather crazy plan, I thought Tong at least made a case for global collapse. "Government collapse; "A dark age, an age of city-states, craftsmen, government on a scale comprehensible to its citizens" is a notion that stuck with me. Perhaps it indicates a difference between the real world and the world of Deus Ex. In our world, communication is bad for tyranny. In Deus Ex, technology gives tyrants a chance to control the world.
2nd Jan '17 4:23:34 PM Kalaong
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*** Tong is, "Well, like a lot of madmen. Somewhat accurate view of the problem, really insane view of the solution." His condemnation of 2052 Earth is; "As long as technology has a global reach, someone will have the world in the palm of his hand." He's ''right'' in this one very specific case; the Aquinas Router is a system that(hopefully) does not yet exist in real life - a system that monitors and controls ''all'' communication on Earth. If that power existed, it would be used - and '''abused.''' Add in the other two super-technologies in Area 51's tech hoard - the [[MasterComputer Helios AI]] and the [[MatterReplicator Universal Constructor]] - and it becomes blatantly obvious that it's too much power for any single person or organization to control. Helios/Denton's efforts throughout ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar'' are dedicated towards correcting that. But at that precise moment, Aquinas had to be destroyed at all costs, or the world would fall under the control of another tyrant; "If not Bob Page, then Everett, Dowd…"
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