History Headscratchers / DeusEx

9th Mar '17 1:18:07 PM thevideogameempire
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*** This actually might be justified. The soldiers are currently in the lower floors, and the helipad apparently accepts all sorts of clandestine transport all the time, and Jock was a regular flyer for them (and MJ12 hasn't entirely twigged to the fact he's a traitor by this point), so him landing is nothing special, though it's more or less stated that if they discover you are with him, his life is gonna suck, hence the urgency with which you have to get his chopper disengaged from the remote lock before he and you get your asses shot off. Also, note that later he is explicitly identified to be working with you as a fellow terrorist, so they wised up after you liberated his chopper. To be fair, it does seem odd that the two guard on the roof weren't doing shit, but from looks of the wine bottles lying around, they were probably drunk off their ass, and the other MJ12 guys (assuming you sneak up on them) were also taking a break, which makes things somewhat more plausible.

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*** This actually might be justified. The soldiers are currently in the lower floors, and the helipad apparently accepts all sorts of clandestine transport all the time, and Jock was a regular flyer for them (and MJ12 hasn't entirely twigged to the fact he's a traitor by this point), so him landing is nothing special, though it's more or less stated that if they discover you are with him, his life is gonna suck, hence the urgency with which you have to get his chopper disengaged from the remote lock before he and you get your asses shot off. Also, note that later he is explicitly identified to be working with you as a fellow terrorist, so they wised up after you liberated his chopper. To be fair, it does seem odd that the two guard guards on the roof weren't doing shit, but from looks of the wine bottles lying around, they were probably drunk off their ass, and the other MJ12 guys (assuming you sneak up on them) were also taking a break, which makes things somewhat more plausible.
9th Mar '17 1:12:11 PM thevideogameempire
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9th Mar '17 1:11:41 PM thevideogameempire
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** I always saw it as the upstairs offices were shared between the grunts as they only really needed access to computers to write up reports, the denton's office (initially paul's) is because the nano-aug project was Manderley's baby and I wouldn't be supprised if said office originally belonged to anna and gunther (would help explain their hostility at nano-augs and fear of being replaced). as for anna and gunther being stuck in a corridor, well just look at where they are, they are in perfect position to question prisoner's and should someone try to break out they have to first get past a pair of psychotic cyborgs.

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** I always saw it as the upstairs offices were shared between the grunts as they only really needed access to computers to write up reports, the denton's office (initially paul's) is because the nano-aug project was Manderley's baby and I wouldn't be supprised if said office originally belonged to anna and gunther (would help explain their hostility at nano-augs and fear of being replaced). as for anna and gunther being stuck in a corridor, well just look at where they are, they are in perfect position to question prisoner's prisoners and should someone try to break out they have to first get past a pair of psychotic cyborgs.
9th Mar '17 1:08:48 PM thevideogameempire
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** Let's see... scores of terrorists, blew the Liberty Statue's head off, stole priceless Ambrosia vaccine, attacking UNATCO men... yes, all in all, there is a damn lot of troubles on the island. And if you refer to the assault bots inside [=MJ12=] territory I'm pretty sure they were delivered disassembled via a separate entrance.

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** Let's see... scores of terrorists, terrorists blew the Liberty Statue's head off, stole priceless Ambrosia vaccine, attacking UNATCO men... yes, all in all, there is a damn lot of troubles on the island. And if you refer to the assault bots inside [=MJ12=] territory I'm pretty sure they were delivered disassembled via a separate entrance.
19th Jan '17 12:29:02 PM Kalaong
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** Despite being a rather crazy plan, I thought Tong at least made a case for global collapse. "Government on a scale comprehensible to its citizens" is a notion that stuck with me. Perhaps it indicates a difference between the real world and the world of Deus Ex. In our world, communication is bad for tyranny. In Deus Ex, technology gives tyrants a chance to control the world.

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** Despite being a rather crazy plan, I thought Tong at least made a case for global collapse. "Government collapse; "A dark age, an age of city-states, craftsmen, government on a scale comprehensible to its citizens" is a notion that stuck with me. Perhaps it indicates a difference between the real world and the world of Deus Ex. In our world, communication is bad for tyranny. In Deus Ex, technology gives tyrants a chance to control the world.
2nd Jan '17 4:23:34 PM Kalaong
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*** Tong is, "Well, like a lot of madmen. Somewhat accurate view of the problem, really insane view of the solution." His condemnation of 2052 Earth is; "As long as technology has a global reach, someone will have the world in the palm of his hand." He's ''right'' in this one very specific case; the Aquinas Router is a system that(hopefully) does not yet exist in real life - a system that monitors and controls ''all'' communication on Earth. If that power existed, it would be used - and '''abused.''' Add in the other two super-technologies in Area 51's tech hoard - the [[MasterComputer Helios AI]] and the [[MatterReplicator Universal Constructor]] - and it becomes blatantly obvious that it's too much power for any single person or organization to control. Helios/Denton's efforts throughout ''VideoGame/DeusExInvisibleWar'' are dedicated towards correcting that. But at that precise moment, Aquinas had to be destroyed at all costs, or the world would fall under the control of another tyrant; "If not Bob Page, then Everett, Dowd…"
5th Sep '16 9:47:17 AM Mr_White
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*** TheLawOfConservationOfDetail.
14th Aug '16 10:23:26 AM ayjazz
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*** Probably because he doesn't have any other options, and he probably assumed the JC did it out of mercy and not anything else.
2nd Aug '16 1:46:50 PM Andreus
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* So there's a freighter full of Gray Death nanovirus that JC Denton is given orders to sink... ''after it's already docked at the Brooklyn Naval Yard''. That seems to me rather like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. While sinking the freighter does make things a little more difficult to deal with, it's an indoor dock at a ''submarine maintenance facility'', which presumably means the water can be drained away. What precisely has JC accomplished?
4th Feb '16 12:41:28 AM mspears
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**** No one said he ''didn't'' notice. But Manderley could easily have just ordered him to shut up and not tell anyone, especially considering UNACTO has a standing secrecy policy.

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**** No one said he ''didn't'' notice. But Manderley could easily have just ordered him to shut up and not tell anyone, especially considering UNACTO UNATCO has a standing secrecy policy.



*** The [=MJ12=] facility is primarily a nanotech and medical lab. Most of the equipment needed for that facility will naturally be going through the medical lab anyway. Anything else that needs to go down there can pass through while Jaime is off-duty. Also keep in mind that the fact that there is a restricted area is known to everyone in the UNATCO base, and they're also acclimated to secrecy. Manderley can just pass it off as a secured, secret section of the UNACTO facility, and while Jaime might not like it, he will follow orders. Anything else can be sealed in a crate, and the [=MJ12=] personnel passing through would just wear UNACTO uniforms and masks until they get to the secured area.

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*** The [=MJ12=] facility is primarily a nanotech and medical lab. Most of the equipment needed for that facility will naturally be going through the medical lab anyway. Anything else that needs to go down there can pass through while Jaime is off-duty. Also keep in mind that the fact that there is a restricted area is known to everyone in the UNATCO base, and they're also acclimated to secrecy. Manderley can just pass it off as a secured, secret section of the UNACTO UNATCO facility, and while Jaime might not like it, he will follow orders. Anything else can be sealed in a crate, and the [=MJ12=] personnel passing through would just wear UNACTO UNATCO uniforms and masks until they get to the secured area.



**** There's a note in the helibase that mentions that all vehicle crew and troops have been confined to barracks due to munitions-related issues and the control rooms are sealed off. No one is even in the helibase's control rooms at the time, so they'd have no idea a helicopter had even arrived, let alone that it was one associated with the UNACTO snafu halfway across the globe.

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**** There's a note in the helibase that mentions that all vehicle crew and troops have been confined to barracks due to munitions-related issues and the control rooms are sealed off. No one is even in the helibase's control rooms at the time, so they'd have no idea a helicopter had even arrived, let alone that it was one associated with the UNACTO UNATCO snafu halfway across the globe.
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