History Headscratchers / DarksidersII

23rd Nov '16 3:44:22 PM misfit119
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** It seems like the answer should be relatively obvious when you consider what they can do. War isn't just War because that's his name. He's a great warrior who can apparently wield any weapon with equal skill, assume the form of a nigh unstoppable destructive monster and can face tank most anything that comes his way. Even his Wrath abilities are centered around using weapons or naturally enhancing his combat abilities. Conversely Death is able to harness magics related to death and the dead as well as related to this topic. He can assume the form of an embodiment of death itself that tears through enemies using its scythe and mystical abilities related to such. It's like the reaper himself has come.
10th Mar '16 12:33:07 PM HeartlessandSoulless
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** Death resurrects humanity just a little bit before the Seventh Seal is broken. At the moment, players could only see the place of the final battle in the first game, so it's possible that they were alive at that moment.

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** It's implied that Death resurrects humanity just a little bit before the Seventh Seal is broken. At the moment, players could only see the place of the final battle in the first game, so it's possible that they were alive at that moment.
10th Mar '16 12:30:03 PM HeartlessandSoulless
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** Death resurrects humanity just a little bit before the Seventh Seal is broken. At the moment, players could only see the place of the final battle in the first game, so it's possible that they were alive at that moment.
30th Nov '15 2:46:10 AM milov3
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* If the whole of Darksiders 2 except for the seal breaking is occurring during the time War is in the Abyss, shouldn't their be humans running around during Darksiders 1 after Death resurrects humanity using the Well of Souls?
1st Jun '15 11:04:01 AM Discar
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*** That excuse doesn't sit right with me either. He implicitly has power over the souls of the fallen and can summon them at will in multiple forms, a power that only those in high authority in the Lands of the Dead can use. He wields power over them which rivals the King of Bones it seems and yet he gets no kudos from those who live there. Even without the authority of the Council behind him, the dude is still essentially a patron deity of theirs.

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*** ** That excuse doesn't sit right with me either. He implicitly has power over the souls of the fallen and can summon them at will in multiple forms, a power that only those in high authority in the Lands of the Dead can use. He wields power over them which rivals the King of Bones it seems and yet he gets no kudos from those who live there. Even without the authority of the Council behind him, the dude is still essentially a patron deity of theirs.



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*** It's more that by introducing TimeTravel to the already confused narrative of Darksiders, it opens up all kinds of plot holes. Depending on how long Lilith has had access to that power, she has what amounts to chronological omniscience, able to witness any event then go back in time to alter it in her favor. If the failure of Abaddon and the occurrence of the second Armageddon is outside her schemes, she can immediately go back to the past to manipulate War in the opposite direction. It's simply too big of a plot element to through on top of everything else, and when you think about it the real reason it's there is because they couldn't be bothered to come up with a new character to guard the key to the Well of Souls while Samael is locked up. Would it really have been inconceivable for a demon regent-king to be protecting it, or are we to presume that we couldn't get it in the present because Samael has it while in captivity?
**** Her ability seemed to cause a StableTimeLoop rather than actually change anything. We're told the the Demon Key is missing and Samael had it last before it disappeared. Odds are it disappeared because Death traveled back in time and took it. And for that reason she doesn't make more use of her TimeTravel, if the world operates on a StableTimeLoop, she'll have used it already and found she can't change the past.

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*** ** It's more that by introducing TimeTravel to the already confused narrative of Darksiders, it opens up all kinds of plot holes. Depending on how long Lilith has had access to that power, she has what amounts to chronological omniscience, able to witness any event then go back in time to alter it in her favor. If the failure of Abaddon and the occurrence of the second Armageddon is outside her schemes, she can immediately go back to the past to manipulate War in the opposite direction. It's simply too big of a plot element to through on top of everything else, and when you think about it the real reason it's there is because they couldn't be bothered to come up with a new character to guard the key to the Well of Souls while Samael is locked up. Would it really have been inconceivable for a demon regent-king to be protecting it, or are we to presume that we couldn't get it in the present because Samael has it while in captivity?
**** ** Her ability seemed to cause a StableTimeLoop rather than actually change anything. We're told the the Demon Key is missing and Samael had it last before it disappeared. Odds are it disappeared because Death traveled back in time and took it. And for that reason she doesn't make more use of her TimeTravel, if the world operates on a StableTimeLoop, she'll have used it already and found she can't change the past.




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** Developers didn't think that through.

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** Developers didn't think that through.through.
** It's actually possible that they ''were'' building for human-scale individuals. No one ever said that the Makers built the place intending to inhabit it themselves. It seems like just a random redoubt they fell back to in the face of the Corruption.

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31st May '15 6:29:28 PM WolfMaster91
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** To go with the above about it being attuned to Black Stone and Samael having it, chances are that yes, Samael created it just in case. When Death finally finds him in the past, Samael comments that it was unusual for the Charred Council to send only one Horseman to the PAST. What we fight isn't the Samael of the past, but present Samael who went back after he probably realized he couldn't halt the Corruption so he just went there to take a break, there's only one spot of Corruption in the past that I remember. That also means the key didn't go missing because Death went back and took it, the key went missing because Samael went back in time with the key because duty is duty. Why would Lilith have it? They are lovers, if he is gonna take a break, he probably wants sex still as well.
28th Oct '14 3:24:00 AM Mandemo
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** Also, "defenseless" only compared to people of their own level. Remember in VideoGame/Darksiders 1, when you and Ulthane are "plugging pigeons?" That was a single, non-warrior maker and he beat the crap out of everyone who tried to mess with him. Not to mention, there are Wardens and other constructs. Makers are only defenseless when it comes to things of their own level, but Heaven and Hell are far beneath the Makers in terms of power. Makers are explicitly stated to be ''older'' than two sides and Makers build both sides homes. As for "not warriors", as a race, they are not warriors, but there are individuals that are.

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** Also, "defenseless" only compared to people of their own level. Remember in VideoGame/Darksiders {{VideoGame/Darksiders}} 1, when you and Ulthane are "plugging pigeons?" That was a single, non-warrior maker and he beat the crap out of everyone who tried to mess with him. Not to mention, there are Wardens and other constructs. Makers are only defenseless when it comes to things of their own level, but Heaven and Hell are far beneath the Makers in terms of power. Makers are explicitly stated to be ''older'' than two sides and Makers build both sides homes. As for "not warriors", as a race, they are not warriors, but there are individuals that are.
28th Oct '14 3:23:38 AM Mandemo
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** Also, "defenseless" only compared to people of their own level. Remember in VideoGame/Darksiders 1, when you and Ulthane are "plugging pigeons?" That was a single, non-warrior maker and he beat the crap out of everyone who tried to mess with him. Not to mention, there are Wardens and other constructs. Makers are only defenseless when it comes to things of their own level, but Heaven and Hell are far beneath the Makers in terms of power. Makers are explicitly stated to be ''older'' than two sides and Makers build both sides homes. As for "not warriors", as a race, they are not warriors, but there are individuals that are.
6th Sep '14 8:18:53 PM megazilla
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*** It's more that by introducing TimeTravel to the already confused narrative of Darksiders, it opens up all kinds of plot holes. Depending on how long Lilith has had access to that power, she has what amounts to chronological omniscience, able to witness any event then go back in time to alter it in her favour. If the failure of Abaddon and the occurance of the second Armageddon is outside her schemes, she can immediately go back to the past to manipulate War in the opposite direction. It's simply too big of a plot element to through on top of everything else, and when you think about it the real reason it's there is because they couldn't be bothered to come up with a new character to guard the key to the Well of Souls while Samael is locked up. Would it really have been inconceivable for a demon regent-king to be protecting it, or are we to presume that we couldn't get it in the present because Samael has it while in captivity?

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*** It's more that by introducing TimeTravel to the already confused narrative of Darksiders, it opens up all kinds of plot holes. Depending on how long Lilith has had access to that power, she has what amounts to chronological omniscience, able to witness any event then go back in time to alter it in her favour. favor. If the failure of Abaddon and the occurance occurrence of the second Armageddon is outside her schemes, she can immediately go back to the past to manipulate War in the opposite direction. It's simply too big of a plot element to through on top of everything else, and when you think about it the real reason it's there is because they couldn't be bothered to come up with a new character to guard the key to the Well of Souls while Samael is locked up. Would it really have been inconceivable for a demon regent-king to be protecting it, or are we to presume that we couldn't get it in the present because Samael has it while in captivity?captivity?
**** Her ability seemed to cause a StableTimeLoop rather than actually change anything. We're told the the Demon Key is missing and Samael had it last before it disappeared. Odds are it disappeared because Death traveled back in time and took it. And for that reason she doesn't make more use of her TimeTravel, if the world operates on a StableTimeLoop, she'll have used it already and found she can't change the past.



* So the Makers have a deistic ability to forge whole worlds and all their inhabitants into being. Why haven't the forces of Heaven or Hell tried to subjugate them to take advantage of their powers? As their WrenchWench said, they are not "warriors" (BlatantLies seeing as two of the surviving six are full time combatants), so they're basically defenceless.

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* So the Makers have a deistic ability to forge whole worlds and all their inhabitants into being. Why haven't the forces of Heaven or Hell tried to subjugate them to take advantage of their powers? As their WrenchWench said, they are not "warriors" (BlatantLies seeing as two of the surviving six are full time combatants), so they're basically defenceless.defenseless.



* Why are the majority of the Makers' doors only an inch or so taller than the makers themselves? Back when they were a complete species, were they just ''that'' uniform of height? Were they building for human-scale individuals?

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* Why are the majority of the Makers' doors only an inch or so taller than the makers themselves? Back when they were a complete species, were they just ''that'' uniform of height? Were they building for human-scale individuals?individuals?
** Developers didn't think that through.
21st Nov '13 10:23:10 AM SomeNewGuy
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** Uriel and her Angels are already pretty leery and distrustful of Death and the other Horsemen after War's "crimes". Do you really think they'd believe Death if he tried to tell them?
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