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11th Oct '17 8:18:47 PM DoctorNemesis
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** It would seem likely to me that the experiment would, if not prevent, then at least make it difficult for people to leave to go to the bathroom / get something to eat and then come back. If the purpose of the experiment is to see how long it takes people to explode while left to wait in a single room for a prolonged period of time, then letting people freely come and go (even just to use the bathroom or get a drink) is a good way of undermining it -- by letting them come and go at will, you're removing a key source of stress. Someone who's getting annoyed could just go to the bathroom or get a glass of water, calm down, and then come back more relaxed.

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** It would seem likely to me that the experiment would, if not prevent, then at least make it difficult for people to leave to go to the bathroom / get something to eat and then come back. If the purpose of the experiment is to see how long it takes people to explode while left to wait in a single room for a prolonged period of time, then letting people freely come and go (even just to use the bathroom or get a drink) is a good way of undermining it -- by letting them come and go at will, you're removing a key source of stress. Someone who's getting annoyed could just go to the bathroom or get a glass of water, calm down, and then come back more relaxed. They're presumably not locked in, but someone leaving (even to go to the bathroom) would likely count as a 'break'/disqualification and they wouldn't be allowed back in.
8th Aug '17 2:49:20 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Shirley and Andre probably don't ''want'' to know for certain. Chang for whatever reason (even if it's only in his own head) clearly seems to view the lack of a tail as being conclusive evidence that he's not the father, Shirley's had to put up with Chang creeping around her being a creepy creep almost all year over the prospect of him being the father, he's finally decided to give up on that whole thing and Shirley certainly doesn't want to kick a gift horse in the mouth by giving Chang any reason to start up again by confirming that he ''is'' the father of her child, which she would be doing if she performed a DNA test and it turned out Chang ''was'' the father. So she and Andre have probably just decided to wipe the slate clean, accept any reason (no matter how lame) to both allow them to assume Andre's the dad and to get Chang to shut up and go away, not raise any more potentially awkward questions about the matter and forget all about it as quickly as possible.

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** Shirley and Andre probably don't ''want'' to know for certain. Chang for whatever reason (even if it's only in his own head) clearly seems to view the lack of a tail as being conclusive evidence that he's not the father, Shirley's had to put up with Chang creeping around her being a creepy creep almost all year over the prospect of him being the father, father. Chang, for whatever reason (even if it's just in his own demented head) has decided that the lack of a tail = not his kid. Since this means he's finally decided to give up on that whole thing and asserting his fatherhood claim, Shirley certainly doesn't want to kick a gift horse in the mouth by giving Chang any reason to start up again by confirming that he ''is'' the father of her child, which she would be doing if she performed a DNA test and it turned out Chang ''was'' the father. So she and Andre have probably just decided to wipe the slate clean, accept any reason (no matter how lame) to both allow them to assume Andre's the dad and to get Chang to shut up and go away, assume Andre's the father, not raise any more potentially awkward questions about the matter and forget all about it as quickly as possible.
18th Jul '17 6:08:38 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Shirley and Andre probably don't ''want'' to know for certain. Chang for whatever reason (even if it's only in his own head) clearly seems to view the lack of a tail as being conclusive evidence that he's not the father, Shirley's had to put up with Chang creeping around her being a creepy creep almost all year over the prospect of him being the father, he's finally decided to give up on that whole thing and Shirley certainly doesn't want to kick a gift horse in the mouth by giving Chang any reason to start up again by confirming that he ''is'' the father of her child, which she would be doing if she performed a DNA test and it turned out Chang ''was'' the father. So she and Andre have probably just decided to wipe the slate clean, accept any reason (no matter how lame) to both allow them to assume Andre's the dad and to get Chang to shut up and go away, not raise any more potentially awkward questions about the matter and forget all about it as quickly as possible.
15th Jun '17 4:39:33 PM Discar
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[[folder:Social Psychology]]

* In ''Recap/CommunityS1E04SocialPsychology,'' Abed sat in a chair for ''twenty-six hours''. ...Food? Water? ''Bathroom''?
** That's only a day and a bit; he's hardly going to succumb to starvation or dehydration in that time. IIRC he has a bag with him, so he might have a bottle of water or some snacks with him. And even if he doesn't, it's not like he's in the middle of nowhere or anything; he can just go to the cafeteria down the corridor or to one of the vending machines when he leaves. As for the bathroom, he could just be very good at holding it in (and assuming he went before the experiment started and he didn't eat or drink during it, this would probably be even less of a problem). In short, he'd probably be a bit uncomfortable, but it's hardly beyond the limits of human endurance.
** The experiment is to see how soon people throw tantrums and leave in disgust when kept waiting. They're not locked in -- if they were it would defeat the whole purpose, since it would make it obvious something more serious was wrong with the situation. While leaving for half an hour to go to lunch would be unlikely if the experiment was supposed to start "any minute," he could surely leave to go to the bathroom.
** True, but it is heavily implied that Abed didn't move ''at all'' during the time of the experiment.
** It would seem likely to me that the experiment would, if not prevent, then at least make it difficult for people to leave to go to the bathroom / get something to eat and then come back. If the purpose of the experiment is to see how long it takes people to explode while left to wait in a single room for a prolonged period of time, then letting people freely come and go (even just to use the bathroom or get a drink) is a good way of undermining it -- by letting them come and go at will, you're removing a key source of stress. Someone who's getting annoyed could just go to the bathroom or get a glass of water, calm down, and then come back more relaxed.
** It wouldn't be out of character for Abed to have trained himself to be able to sit comfortably for absurd lengths of time, just in case he'll need that particular skill someday.

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[[folder:Rich's apartment]]

* How does Jeff know [[spoiler:where Rich lives]] in "[[Recap/CommunityS2E12AsianPopulationStudies Asian Population Studies]]"?
** From stalking and researching him in "[[Recap/CommunityS1E19BeginnerPottery Beginner's Pottery]]", of course!
** This bit of fact deserves FridgeBrilliance status.
** Or FridgeHorror.

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[[folder:Prime burning pies]]

* In "[[Recap/CommunityS3E04RemedialChaosTheory Remedial Chaos Theory]]", during the prime timeline Shirley is about to retrieve her pies from the oven. But she's stopped and joins in with Britta's singing. Given how easily those pies evidently burn in the Shirley timeline, one has to wonder how long the group would dance before they smelled something burning.
** Yeah, but this time, Shirley said nothing to the group about taking the pies out, and was present in the room, meaning that there's no one to blame but herself.
** Actually a bit of Fridge Brilliance - Shirley feels like she is part of the group in that timeline and is having fun with her friends dancing and singing to Roxanne. It was established in the earlier timelines that Shirley is basically excessively baking because she didn't feel like she fit in with the group.
** Also in that episode, Shirley complained about being the only married woman in the group. Does that mean she and Andre remarried over the summer?
** She's previously said that "the Bible doesn't recognize divorce", so in her mind, they were married all along.
** They officially remarried in "Urban Matrimony and the Sandwich Arts"; most likely, as the troper above suggests, either in Shirley's mind they were never really divorced or they'd rediscovered so much of their old dynamic that it was as if they'd never stopped being married, and she simply misspoke.

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[[folder:Paying for the pizza]]

* In "[[Recap/CommunityS3E04RemedialChaosTheory Remedial Chaos Theory]]", how does Annie pay for the pizza if she left her purse behind?
** Annie's definitely the type of person who would carry around some money separate from her purse in case she's separated from it and she needs some cash in a hurry (especially since the neighborhood she lives in is so bad she carries a gun around) -- sort of like an emergency fund. She probably has a few bills tucked in her pocket ([[VictoriasSecretCompartment or elsewhere]]) and paid from that.
** It's also possible to pay for a pizza (tip included) when ordering online.
** This is certainly true, but the way Abed asks Jeff to give him the money for the pizza when it's the timeline where he goes for the pizza would seem to suggest that they didn't pay online.

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[[folder:Singing in the blanket fort]]

* In "Regional Christmas Music", why do Abed and Troy go into their blanket fort bedroom to sing their song in front of an imaginary audience with imaginary back-up singers when there is a perfectly good Dreamatorium in the apartment for those exact moments?
** I don't think Troy and Abed's over-active imaginations are bound by the need to be acted out solely in the Dreamatorium; they can probably lose themselves in fantasy anywhere. The blanket fort was just closer than the Dreamatorium (especially since Abed was explicitly trying to brainwash / convince Troy to the Glee club, and probably didn't want to risk losing him in the extra time it would take to get there). In any case, at the risk of overanalysing the Dreamatorium is a clear reference to the holodeck on ''Franchise/StarTrek''; perhaps they just go there when they're bored or want to have a specific fantasy / dream sequence.
** It's stated that the Dreamatorium runs off of Abed's imagination - he "constructs imaginary dreamscapes" there. The rap was ''Troy's'' imaginary dreamscape, so they couldn't use the Dreamatorium.

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[[folder:Course Listing Unavailable logic]]

* "[[Recap/CommunityS3E18CourseListingUnavailable Course Listing Unavailable]]" has some logic problems. For one, why would the teacher resigning force the study group (and presumably the whole class) to get an "Incomplete" for their grade and retake it in the summer? They were almost at risk for this in the first year with Chang, but even then they managed to bring in a replacement.
** Also, you'd think the school board would be at least a little bit more forgiving of [[Recap/CommunityS2E24ForAFewPaintballsMore Pierce since he donated $100,000 to Greendale last year]].
** In the former question, it's possible that unlike the earlier example a suitable replacement could not be found in time to salvage the class. Alternatively [=/=] in addition, given that Greendale is hardly an example of the most efficiently-run of higher education facilities, it could be something to do with how the school is administrated in this regard; all the study group were quick to blame the Dean for this as if this was his fault. In the latter case, the board have clearly been swayed by Chang to not trust the study group an inch, not to mention that -- $100,000 donation to the school earlier aside -- they ''did'' incite what looked like a pretty destructive riot and caused a prominent (and no doubt profitable) commercial deal the school had to be threatened.
** Actually, this is FridgeBrilliance. It's established in [[Recap/CommunityS3E01Biology101 Biology 101]] that as a result of the Air Conditioning Repair School Annex's new policies, the school has almost no money for this year. Whereas during Season 1, they had the funds to bring in a teacher at the last minute, they just don't have those kinds of emergency funds available anymore - they've been used to keep the school open. This also explains why the school reacts so much more harshly to the riot than to their previous destructive escapades - Greendale doesn't have the money to clean up after their shenanigans this season, and they put Greendale's relationship with Subway at risk when they might have been looking to the corporation to bail them out.

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[[folder:Season 3 Biology]]

* Didn't Troy and Abed already take Biology in season 1? Why did they take it again in season 3?
** Some science classes are bundled in twos; you have a lecture portion and a lab portion. Chemistry and life sciences are most common for this. It's atypical to take them separately(many colleges just won't let you), but since Troy and Abed are only seen doing the lab projects it's probably possible to take lectures and labs independently.
** It was never mentioned that they passed Biology. Abed would probably retake it anyway for the sake of the group dynamic. Troy would probably have forgotten that he took it.

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[[folder:Jeff and Shirley's case]]

* In the Season 3 Finale, Jeff treats the mock trial as a big dilemma between helping his friend or choosing his job. But then you remember that he's trying to help Shirley claim the simple title of ownership, as it's doubtful that even Pierce would kick Shirley out of the business completely. This is rather trivial compared to Jeff losing the chance to work at his past law firm, probably one of the few places left that would accept him given his past (faking his credentials, going to a bad community college to get his bachelor's).
** It's the principle of the thing; yes, it's a fairly small deal in the scheme of things, but his choices are to either screw a friend over for his own benefit or stand by that friend at personal cost to himself. We can also look at it with regards to how Jeff has come not just as a person but as a lawyer; an AmoralAttorney like Jeff previously was wouldn't hesitate to put himself above his client's best interests, whereas Jeff -- who is clearly becoming a better lawyer as well as a better person -- chooses to put his client first and represent their interests to the best of his abilities at personal cost. Also, while it might be a small deal legally, it's a ''big'' deal to Shirley -- this is representative of her lifelong dream to ''own'' a business of her own rather than just work for someone else's interests (as she's done throughout her whole life). Plus, given how spiteful Pierce can get and given how the study group are, in Troy's absence, clearly beginning to fray at the edges somewhat, there's no guarantee that Pierce ''wouldn't'' kick her out of the business if he got his way out of sheer mean-spiritedness.
** Alternatively, he could be doing it not to win over the "judge" and jury (after all, the Dean would probably have rigged things in his favor anyways), but to win over Pierce to not be an asshole (at which he succeeds).

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[[folder:Shooting the stormtrooper]]

* In [[Recap/CommunityS2E24ForAFewPaintballsMore For A Few Paintballs More]], Pierce fakes a heart attack to steal the stormtrooper's weapon. Presumably that means he shot the stormtrooper ... meaning the uniform would have paint on it and he would have been disqualified.
** The 'uniform' is basically black combat gear over a white shirt; since Pierce is also wearing a white shirt, he could simply have shot the guy on his shirt and left the actual armour itself untouched. Or he could have grabbed the gun, made the guy take his armour off, ''then'' shot him. Or shot the guy in the helmet and then found a clean helmet that someone (such as a previously disgruntled contestant who stormed off after being removed from the game) had discarded; it wouldn't be beyond Pierce to cheat in such a fashion, and it's not like anyone could prove it.
** There's no reason Pierce couldn't have cleaned the uniform. You're disqualified if you get paint on yourself or your clothes. There are no rules that say you can't clean paint off of someone else's clothes ''after'' they've been disqualified. It won't bring them back but it could be useful as a disguise. And Pierce, naturally, is the most likely character on the show to carry around a packet of cleaning supplies, given that his name's on the package. So, shoot the guy, steal his armor, clean off the paint, put it on.
** There's a ''way'' simpler explanation than Pierce ever having to clean the uniform: He fakes a heart attacks and steals the guard's gun (exactly like he did to the Black Rider) then holds him and gunpoint and makes him strip, shooting him when he's done. Pierce now has a spotless uniform.

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[[folder:Tails]]

* Assuming that Chang's assertion that all Chang babies are born with tails is a fabrication, we don't actually know for certain that Ben is Andre's. It's not unusual for biracial children to completely resemble only one of their parents, so really, only a DNA test could tell for certain.
** How do we know it ''is'' a fabrication? This ''is'' Chang we're talking about here, and he arguably doesn't gave any reason to lie about that.
** Doesn't matter if it is a lie or not, it is likely an exaggeration based on possible genetics. If it is a recessive trait, it is unlikely Shirley has a tail gene. If it is dominant, there is a possibility Chang is heterozygous, and could still have a tailless baby.

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[[folder:Deviant sex act]]

* How can they tell what "deviant sex act" Britta and Subway did just from the audio?
** From Britta and Subway vocally communicating precisely what they would like the other person to do and where precisely they would like certain things to be ... inserted.
** "''Digital Exploration'' of Interior Design" seems to be the intended joke, but that's not exactly an unusual act.
** Consider the source of the objection, though. He's clearly quite repressed.

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[[folder:Colorado and Kroger]]

* The show is set in Colorado. At one point, you see a YouTube-type video from Leonard, a frozen pizza review. He states that he got the pizza from Kroger. But Kroger does business in Colorado under the name King Soopers.
** Probably just bad research, like when the TV Show Series/{{Martin}} had an episode where the title character goes to the DMV, but the show is set in Detroit, which doesn't have a DMV. It's an external mistake.

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[[folder:Shirley in Abed's speech]]

* In "[[Recap/CommunityS6E01Ladders Ladders]]", Abed wrote a speech for the Dean to read as a way to inform the viewers about what happened to the remaining members of the study group since the end of the season 5. The problem is that Abed wrote the speech ''before'' he learned that Shirley had left, and yet the speech didn't mention her at all.
** Since the speech was delivered ''after'' Shirley had left, presumably the material pertaining to her was simply removed.

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14th Jun '17 9:51:40 PM Discar
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[[folder:Season 4 History 101]]




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[[folder:Digital Estate Planning]]



*** Nothing, I suppose, but (and this is a bit WMG, but what the hey) given that physically removing one of the players from the gaming console isn't really in the spirit of playing the game for the inheritance, and since this is supposed to be an ironic punishment to Pierce from Cornelius, I wouldn't put it past him to have included some kind of loophole that means that the player who was physically removed by the other players automatically wins the prize by default or that all the players lose out and the inheritance goes to a non-involved party (like, say, a charity or something); otherwise, there's no point in having the game at all, you might as well just make everyone present physically fight each other for the inheritance. Cornelius, for all that he's a hateful bastard, appears to have had some sense of honor (he recorded a death scene in case he lost, after all) and so probably made sure that ''everyone'' would have to play by the rules. In that sense, it's not just a forfeit for the player of the game, it's a forfeit for everyone. Besides which, at that point Gilbert himself is playing the game by the rules and hasn't implemented any of his cheats (although he does have a clear advantage); the study group reasons that since he's playing fairly they might as well, and that if they work together they can take him.
*** True, though at the end, they [[spoiler:give Gilbert the win by getting up and forfeitting,]] so it does seem like the forfeit only applies to the individual player. And given that they were going to physically remove him before he threatened them with the sensors, I don't see why they wouldn't go through with it after it was revealed he was cheating. Though I guess there could also be the loophole in the will, but none of the study group would've known about that.
*** Also true. Something else to consider, however, is that while Gilbert is clearly rather buttoned up, he also probably isn't just going to ''let'' the study group drag him away. Certainly not without a fight, and if it comes to that he's bigger than Troy, Abed and the ladies, he's younger than Pierce, and it's been clearly established that Jeff isn't exactly the fighter of the group (nor the most willing to get physical and risk messing himself up). Chances are, if it came down to a fight it would take most if not all of them to subdue him, which consequently defeats the purpose since they'd all end up forfeiting anyway.

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*** ** Nothing, I suppose, but (and this is a bit WMG, but what the hey) given that physically removing one of the players from the gaming console isn't really in the spirit of playing the game for the inheritance, and since this is supposed to be an ironic punishment to Pierce from Cornelius, I wouldn't put it past him to have included some kind of loophole that means that the player who was physically removed by the other players automatically wins the prize by default or that all the players lose out and the inheritance goes to a non-involved party (like, say, a charity or something); otherwise, there's no point in having the game at all, you might as well just make everyone present physically fight each other for the inheritance. Cornelius, for all that he's a hateful bastard, appears to have had some sense of honor (he recorded a death scene in case he lost, after all) and so probably made sure that ''everyone'' would have to play by the rules. In that sense, it's not just a forfeit for the player of the game, it's a forfeit for everyone. Besides which, at that point Gilbert himself is playing the game by the rules and hasn't implemented any of his cheats (although he does have a clear advantage); the study group reasons that since he's playing fairly they might as well, and that if they work together they can take him.
*** ** True, though at the end, they [[spoiler:give Gilbert the win by getting up and forfeitting,]] so it does seem like the forfeit only applies to the individual player. And given that they were going to physically remove him before he threatened them with the sensors, I don't see why they wouldn't go through with it after it was revealed he was cheating. Though I guess there could also be the loophole in the will, but none of the study group would've known about that.
*** ** Also true. Something else to consider, however, is that while Gilbert is clearly rather buttoned up, he also probably isn't just going to ''let'' the study group drag him away. Certainly not without a fight, and if it comes to that he's bigger than Troy, Abed and the ladies, he's younger than Pierce, and it's been clearly established that Jeff isn't exactly the fighter of the group (nor the most willing to get physical and risk messing himself up). Chances are, if it came down to a fight it would take most if not all of them to subdue him, which consequently defeats the purpose since they'd all end up forfeiting anyway.anyway.

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[[folder:Britta the designated failure]]



*** To be fair, the priest incident was a the priest basically mumbling ''sotto voce'' to Britta; it wasn't like he was screaming it in her face in front of everyone or anything, he was pretty much just muttering it to her / himself. Given that everyone's a bit distracted by Pierce telling his dead dad to suck it, no one other than Britta might even have heard. The context is also slightly different in that while Mr. Rad is ultimately screaming at and humiliating her in front of an audience for ruining what is ultimately a crappy little holiday show, the priest is making a frustrated little comment under his breath while he's ''conducting the funeral of the father of one of their friends'' -- even if we take into account Pierce's own lack of regard to his father, even the study group would probably feel a bit uncomfortable and awkward getting in a priest's face at a funeral in front of everyone, whether they were sticking up for Britta or not. Sometimes you have to pick and choose your battles.

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*** ** To be fair, the priest incident was a the priest basically mumbling ''sotto voce'' to Britta; it wasn't like he was screaming it in her face in front of everyone or anything, he was pretty much just muttering it to her / himself. Given that everyone's a bit distracted by Pierce telling his dead dad to suck it, no one other than Britta might even have heard. The context is also slightly different in that while Mr. Rad is ultimately screaming at and humiliating her in front of an audience for ruining what is ultimately a crappy little holiday show, the priest is making a frustrated little comment under his breath while he's ''conducting the funeral of the father of one of their friends'' -- even if we take into account Pierce's own lack of regard to his father, even the study group would probably feel a bit uncomfortable and awkward getting in a priest's face at a funeral in front of everyone, whether they were sticking up for Britta or not. Sometimes you have to pick and choose your battles.




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[[folder:Chang's Spanish]]



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[[folder:Britta and LGBT]]



*** Or possibly she just never really thought that hard about it and pays a lot of lip-service, speaking up against really obvious homophobia like Pierce's and ignoring anything more subtle, like how being gay is an insult to a straight person. It's pretty common in feminism and other types of activism: women have the vote, equal pay, reproductive rights, etc etc etc, therefore feminism is over despite the countless subtle micro-aggressions women still have to deal with. Or the bigger actual-aggressions that people prefer to ignore because it's harder to change a culture of ingrained sexism than it is to write laws about equal pay.

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*** ** Or possibly she just never really thought that hard about it and pays a lot of lip-service, speaking up against really obvious homophobia like Pierce's and ignoring anything more subtle, like how being gay is an insult to a straight person. It's pretty common in feminism and other types of activism: women have the vote, equal pay, reproductive rights, etc etc etc, therefore feminism is over despite the countless subtle micro-aggressions women still have to deal with. Or the bigger actual-aggressions that people prefer to ignore because it's harder to change a culture of ingrained sexism than it is to write laws about equal pay.
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[[folder:Jeff attending Greendale]]



*** It's stated that his Bachelor's, not his JD is fake early in the pilot; apparently he has a legitimate JD and presumably passed the state bar exam, but entered law school using false credentials.
*** Presumably the lack of a Bachelor's degree would still also affect the overall legitimacy of his degree and qualification to practice in the eyes of prospective employers and the law, though. So even if he did get his JD the lack of a valid Bachelor's degree would presumably invalidate it as well, at least until he managed to get a legitimate Bachelors degree. Hence, the JD -- while acquired, unlike the Bachelors degree -- would still not be entirely legitimate, otherwise they'd just let anyone wander into a law school without qualifications and start letting them practice law once they'd finished.
*** It's up to the school who to admit or not, and there are people without bachelor's degrees who get law degrees a fair amount in the Commonwealth (not sure about in the U.S.). If he completed the program, whether or not he should have been accepted at the time, the school can give their seal of approval to anyone they want (consider "honorary degrees", too).
*** I'm also not 100% on the US state of affairs, but if that's the case, well, it's likely that the school Jeff attended simply didn't ''want'' to give him their seal of approval. He wouldn't have needed to fake his bachelors degree in the first place if it was a school that he could legitimately attend without one (Jeff "Always Takes The Easy Route" Winger would definitely have taken that option if it was available to him, since convincingly faking an entire bachelor's degree isn't exactly easy, so we can safely assume it wasn't), and if everyone was okay with him earning the JD despite faking his bachelors, well, he wouldn't need to be in Greendale in the first place. Theoretically the school in question might be willing to award anyone they wish, but in practice to put it bluntly they'd have to be fucking idiots to reward Jeff for conning and taking advantage of them; that's just going to damage the integrity and reputation of the school and open the "hey, come and take advantage of us!" doors for any old con artist. So it's likely his JD has been revoked or withdrawn, at least until he actually qualifies for it fully. As for honorary degrees, in practice they're usually a nice bit of paper and some letters at the end of someone's name; generally an honorary degree won't get you taken very seriously if you try to actually practice in that field, since you haven't put in the study and hard work to get it (and they're also not going to give Jeff one for conning them either).
*** You can go to law school without an undergraduate degree. In fact, in several US states you can write the bar exam without going to law school. Colorado is not one of them; but Jeff could have driven north to Wyoming, apprenticed to a lawyer briefly, written THAT state's bar exam, and then come back to Colorado, where a license to practice would be issued as a courtesy to out-of-state counsel. So unless the Colorado Bar Association specifically directed him to get an undergraduate degree as a show of good faith toward lifting his suspension, getting a BA from Greendale was NOT the easiest way to solve Jeff's problem. But then there wouldn't be a show.
*** Or there would be a show, but it would be ''Series/{{Suits}}''.

*** FWIW "Origins of Vampire Mythology" suggests that Jeff's JD is just as illegitimate as his bachelor's degree ("... and then I cheated on the [=LSAT=]...") thus further strengthening the assumption that it's also been revoked, until he re-qualifies at least.
*** Cheating on the LSAT wouldn't necessarily make a JD illegitimate, nor does it mean he cheated his way through law school. It's possible to assume his deal with the state bar included that he only had to get a legitimate Bachelor's, and not a legit JD. Perhaps his law school understands he applied and entered law school under false pretenses, however, they've determined he did his law school work legitimately (or rather he did the minimum work to not get caught) and will grant him his JD as long as he gets his bachelors, with faking the LSAT either not being known, or cared about.
*** Maybe, but given this is Jeff "Always Takes The Easy Way Out" Winger we're discussing, it's not a hard leap to make that he ''did'' cheat his way through law school and the LSAT as well, even if he didn't necessarily get caught for them; given how willing he is lie, cheat and do what's easy no matter how immortal it is early in the series, it's in fact much harder to believe (for this Troper anyway) that he suddenly became honest and above board when it came to his JD. I'm also not quite certain how cheating on the LSAT wouldn't make the subsequent degree illegitimate even if it wasn't discovered, since that's kind of what cheating is -- using a shortcut to acquire something illegitimately. Under such circumstances, it would seem fair to say that Jeff didn't have entirely legitimate qualifications even if he didn't get caught. And as mentioned above, if it was known that Jeff faked the LSAT it would definitely be cared about, since as discussed above any halfway reputable school would be fools to knowingly let someone get away with cheating a degree out of them without any kind of punishment.

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*** ** It's stated that his Bachelor's, not his JD is fake early in the pilot; apparently he has a legitimate JD and presumably passed the state bar exam, but entered law school using false credentials.
*** ** Presumably the lack of a Bachelor's degree would still also affect the overall legitimacy of his degree and qualification to practice in the eyes of prospective employers and the law, though. So even if he did get his JD the lack of a valid Bachelor's degree would presumably invalidate it as well, at least until he managed to get a legitimate Bachelors degree. Hence, the JD -- while acquired, unlike the Bachelors degree -- would still not be entirely legitimate, otherwise they'd just let anyone wander into a law school without qualifications and start letting them practice law once they'd finished.
*** ** It's up to the school who to admit or not, and there are people without bachelor's degrees who get law degrees a fair amount in the Commonwealth (not sure about in the U.S.). If he completed the program, whether or not he should have been accepted at the time, the school can give their seal of approval to anyone they want (consider "honorary degrees", too).
*** ** I'm also not 100% on the US state of affairs, but if that's the case, well, it's likely that the school Jeff attended simply didn't ''want'' to give him their seal of approval. He wouldn't have needed to fake his bachelors degree in the first place if it was a school that he could legitimately attend without one (Jeff "Always Takes The Easy Route" Winger would definitely have taken that option if it was available to him, since convincingly faking an entire bachelor's degree isn't exactly easy, so we can safely assume it wasn't), and if everyone was okay with him earning the JD despite faking his bachelors, well, he wouldn't need to be in Greendale in the first place. Theoretically the school in question might be willing to award anyone they wish, but in practice to put it bluntly they'd have to be fucking idiots to reward Jeff for conning and taking advantage of them; that's just going to damage the integrity and reputation of the school and open the "hey, come and take advantage of us!" doors for any old con artist. So it's likely his JD has been revoked or withdrawn, at least until he actually qualifies for it fully. As for honorary degrees, in practice they're usually a nice bit of paper and some letters at the end of someone's name; generally an honorary degree won't get you taken very seriously if you try to actually practice in that field, since you haven't put in the study and hard work to get it (and they're also not going to give Jeff one for conning them either).
*** ** You can go to law school without an undergraduate degree. In fact, in several US states you can write the bar exam without going to law school. Colorado is not one of them; but Jeff could have driven north to Wyoming, apprenticed to a lawyer briefly, written THAT state's bar exam, and then come back to Colorado, where a license to practice would be issued as a courtesy to out-of-state counsel. So unless the Colorado Bar Association specifically directed him to get an undergraduate degree as a show of good faith toward lifting his suspension, getting a BA from Greendale was NOT the easiest way to solve Jeff's problem. But then there wouldn't be a show.
*** ** Or there would be a show, but it would be ''Series/{{Suits}}''.

***
''Series/{{Suits}}''.
**
FWIW "Origins of Vampire Mythology" suggests that Jeff's JD is just as illegitimate as his bachelor's degree ("... and then I cheated on the [=LSAT=]...") thus further strengthening the assumption that it's also been revoked, until he re-qualifies at least.
*** ** Cheating on the LSAT wouldn't necessarily make a JD illegitimate, nor does it mean he cheated his way through law school. It's possible to assume his deal with the state bar included that he only had to get a legitimate Bachelor's, and not a legit JD. Perhaps his law school understands he applied and entered law school under false pretenses, however, they've determined he did his law school work legitimately (or rather he did the minimum work to not get caught) and will grant him his JD as long as he gets his bachelors, with faking the LSAT either not being known, or cared about.
*** ** Maybe, but given this is Jeff "Always Takes The Easy Way Out" Winger we're discussing, it's not a hard leap to make that he ''did'' cheat his way through law school and the LSAT as well, even if he didn't necessarily get caught for them; given how willing he is lie, cheat and do what's easy no matter how immortal it is early in the series, it's in fact much harder to believe (for this Troper anyway) that he suddenly became honest and above board when it came to his JD. I'm also not quite certain how cheating on the LSAT wouldn't make the subsequent degree illegitimate even if it wasn't discovered, since that's kind of what cheating is -- using a shortcut to acquire something illegitimately. Under such circumstances, it would seem fair to say that Jeff didn't have entirely legitimate qualifications even if he didn't get caught. And as mentioned above, if it was known that Jeff faked the LSAT it would definitely be cared about, since as discussed above any halfway reputable school would be fools to knowingly let someone get away with cheating a degree out of them without any kind of punishment.



*** I always assumed that Jeff managed to never [[ExactWords technically]] lie when applying for law school. He does have a 'Bachelor's from Columbia'.
*** Actually, it's a Bachelor's from [[RougeAnglesOfSatin Colombia]].

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*** ** I always assumed that Jeff managed to never [[ExactWords technically]] lie when applying for law school. He does have a 'Bachelor's from Columbia'.
*** ** Actually, it's a Bachelor's from [[RougeAnglesOfSatin Colombia]].



*** Some have begun to within the last decade. Jeff could just be gathering up cheap and easy elective credits though.
*** And this could also be chalked up to Dean Pelton trying to make Greendale "a real college." Probably the same reason GCC has dorms (before this show, I'd never heard of a community college that had dorms).
*** This troper's local community college has dorms at a few campuses. In Colorado no less. And offers bachelor degrees, but only since 2011 or so, I believe.
*** the four year bachelor degree thing was lampshaded in curriculum unavailable

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*** ** Some have begun to within the last decade. Jeff could just be gathering up cheap and easy elective credits though.
*** ** And this could also be chalked up to Dean Pelton trying to make Greendale "a real college." Probably the same reason GCC has dorms (before this show, I'd never heard of a community college that had dorms).
*** ** This troper's local community college has dorms at a few campuses. In Colorado no less. And offers bachelor degrees, but only since 2011 or so, I believe.
*** ** the four year bachelor degree thing was lampshaded in curriculum unavailable



*** This is all but confirmed in the Season 3 finale, when Jeff is told that, even if he gets his degree from Greendale, his old law firm would still be the only one willing to hire him.

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*** ** This is all but confirmed in the Season 3 finale, when Jeff is told that, even if he gets his degree from Greendale, his old law firm would still be the only one willing to hire him.
him.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Slater and Jeff]]



*** Wasn't she bitching about Jeff not being in it for the long haul like 3 episodes earlier?
*** No- she was bitching about Jeff not calling it boyfriend and girlfriend. There actually is a big difference- pray you don't find out what it is someday.
*** Maybe she just got bored of him, I dunno, people break up. It didn't seem that out of character.
*** This is more or less what happened. She was also apparently quite selfish in the relationship as Jeff tearfully laments "We used to always watch the shows ''she'' wanted to watch!"
*** [[Series/BurnNotice Obviously she left to work for the CIA]]

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*** ** Wasn't she bitching about Jeff not being in it for the long haul like 3 episodes earlier?
*** ** No- she was bitching about Jeff not calling it boyfriend and girlfriend. There actually is a big difference- pray you don't find out what it is someday.
*** ** Maybe she just got bored of him, I dunno, people break up. It didn't seem that out of character.
*** ** This is more or less what happened. She was also apparently quite selfish in the relationship as Jeff tearfully laments "We used to always watch the shows ''she'' wanted to watch!"
*** ** [[Series/BurnNotice Obviously she left to work for the CIA]]



*** If you watch the DVD commentary, Dan Harmon makes it clear that they didn't mean to abruptly end the Slater-Jeff relationship, but they had already stunt-cast Katharine [=McPhee=] as a love interest for Jeff.

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*** ** If you watch the DVD commentary, Dan Harmon makes it clear that they didn't mean to abruptly end the Slater-Jeff relationship, but they had already stunt-cast Katharine [=McPhee=] as a love interest for Jeff.
Jeff.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Chang's marriage]]



*** This. He admitted that he propositioned Dr. Slater, but she "doesn't date married Asians that drive mopeds."
*** Chang is still married but his wife kicked him out after[[spoiler: she found out about him and Shirley]]

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*** ** This. He admitted that he propositioned Dr. Slater, but she "doesn't date married Asians that drive mopeds."
*** ** Chang is still married but his wife kicked him out after[[spoiler: she found out about him and Shirley]]



*** Since he got kicked out, [[FridgeLogic obviously his wife disagrees]].

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*** ** Since he got kicked out, [[FridgeLogic obviously his wife disagrees]].



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Jeff's embarrassing tape]]



** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-_AtcjpQz0 This]] tape

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-_AtcjpQz0 This]] tape
tape.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Locked away Tiger Gun]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Paternity test]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:After fourth season]]



*** No.
*** Yes. Just because you do not like something does not mean it cannot happen.
*** This said, at this point it does look rather unlikely, Chevy Chase having quit the show and all.

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*** ** No.
*** ** Yes. Just because you do not like something does not mean it cannot happen.
*** ** This said, at this point it does look rather unlikely, Chevy Chase having quit the show and all.



*** Or they might, you know, not. Let's at least wait to see if they do screw it up before moaning about them screwing it up; Dan Harmon, talented though he was, is not the only person capable of running a TV show after all.

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*** ** Or they might, you know, not. Let's at least wait to see if they do screw it up before moaning about them screwing it up; Dan Harmon, talented though he was, is not the only person capable of running a TV show after all.




[[/folder]]

[[folder:Shirley's maternity leave]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Abed remembering the zombie party]]



*** Yes they did hook up during the zombie episode, but it wasn't revealed until the clip show when Abed mentions he saw them going into the bathroom together that night before the outbreak.

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*** ** Yes they did hook up during the zombie episode, but it wasn't revealed until the clip show when Abed mentions he saw them going into the bathroom together that night before the outbreak.



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Culinary Arts]]



*** Oh. The fact that we never even see any food threw me...
*** Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch. Maybe 'Applied Anthropology' wouldn't have been a funny enough name.

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*** ** Oh. The fact that we never even see any food threw me...
*** ** Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch. Maybe 'Applied Anthropology' wouldn't have been a funny enough name.



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Paintball closure]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Beating Pierce]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Hating Pierce]]



*** It's also repeatedly made clear -- as far back as the pilot, in fact -- that Jeff is secretly very afraid he'll end up like Pierce. Having Pierce around is therefore very uncomfortable for him.
*** Besides the previous stated distal causes for Jeff's behavior there is also a proximal cause for Jeff's strong reaction. The opening ImaginationSpot is strongly suggested to have been kicked by Annie asking "What are we going to do without Pierce in the study group?". Jeff imagines an idealized version of Greendale. Potentially where their lives will be less crazy and weird, but they can be happy and have fun. The lines that have the biggest insight into Jeff's psyche come towards the end. First off "living forever". Jeff has had a tough time before dealing with his own mortality and Pierce is a constant reminder of growing old. The other one is "sleeping together" with Annie. He and Annie both acknowledge they have sexual tension, but due to multitude of factors haven't really approached it yet. One of those disagreements is over Pierce and his role in the group, with Annie being eternally optimistic and Jeff to put bluntly would be pessimistic. With Pierce gone that is one less thing, and likely a big one, to get distracted by and disagree over. This hope for a better Greendale experience comes crashing down in flames in less then a minute when Pierce abruptly shows up and ask to be back in the group. In summation: Cockblock.

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*** ** It's also repeatedly made clear -- as far back as the pilot, in fact -- that Jeff is secretly very afraid he'll end up like Pierce. Having Pierce around is therefore very uncomfortable for him.
*** ** Besides the previous stated distal causes for Jeff's behavior there is also a proximal cause for Jeff's strong reaction. The opening ImaginationSpot is strongly suggested to have been kicked by Annie asking "What are we going to do without Pierce in the study group?". Jeff imagines an idealized version of Greendale. Potentially where their lives will be less crazy and weird, but they can be happy and have fun. The lines that have the biggest insight into Jeff's psyche come towards the end. First off "living forever". Jeff has had a tough time before dealing with his own mortality and Pierce is a constant reminder of growing old. The other one is "sleeping together" with Annie. He and Annie both acknowledge they have sexual tension, but due to multitude of factors haven't really approached it yet. One of those disagreements is over Pierce and his role in the group, with Annie being eternally optimistic and Jeff to put bluntly would be pessimistic. With Pierce gone that is one less thing, and likely a big one, to get distracted by and disagree over. This hope for a better Greendale experience comes crashing down in flames in less then a minute when Pierce abruptly shows up and ask to be back in the group. In summation: Cockblock.



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Abed and Troy living together]]



*** He meant that their friendship would jump the shark, not the show.

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*** ** He meant that their friendship would jump the shark, not the show.
show.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Jeff spending money on Abed]]



*** You used to be able to get the Bad Mother*** wallet in hipster stores for about $15.

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*** ** You used to be able to get the Bad Mother*** Mother** wallet in hipster stores for about $15.



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Jeff's money]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Protecting Annie]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Alcohol]]



*** Have you even been watching the show? They had alcohol at a lot of the dances. That was a ''major'' plot point in "The Politics of Human Sexuality" ("That's why you don't serve booze at an STD fair!")
*** Firstly, yes, every episode, stop being snippy. I honestly forgot about Politics of Human Sexuality involving booze - I just remembered the breaking condoms being the major problem. However, for most of the other dances and social events, it's never explicitly stated that there's alcohol being served at them, so it can't be assumed, especially after Human Sexuality. There's a difference between people being DRUNK at school events and people SERVING ALCOHOL at school events.
*** There was alcohol served at the parties in my college. You just can't serve it to the kids who are underage. All they have to do is card everyone before serving them or give out coloured bracelets or hand stamps or something, it's not some off-the-wall concept. Then again, I'm Canadian. Most students in college are old enough to drink, except for the ones fresh out of high school. Maybe it's different in the States.

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*** ** Have you even been watching the show? They had alcohol at a lot of the dances. That was a ''major'' plot point in "The Politics of Human Sexuality" ("That's why you don't serve booze at an STD fair!")
*** ** Firstly, yes, every episode, stop being snippy. I honestly forgot about Politics of Human Sexuality involving booze - I just remembered the breaking condoms being the major problem. However, for most of the other dances and social events, it's never explicitly stated that there's alcohol being served at them, so it can't be assumed, especially after Human Sexuality. There's a difference between people being DRUNK at school events and people SERVING ALCOHOL at school events.
*** ** There was alcohol served at the parties in my college. You just can't serve it to the kids who are underage. All they have to do is card everyone before serving them or give out coloured bracelets or hand stamps or something, it's not some off-the-wall concept. Then again, I'm Canadian. Most students in college are old enough to drink, except for the ones fresh out of high school. Maybe it's different in the States.
States.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Dean Dean Pelton]]



*** I was aware of the title of Dean, I just thought one of the earliest jokes was that his first name was also Dean, making him Dean Dean Pelton. Maybe I'm thinking of another show/movie altogether.
*** Ahhhh. I get ya now.
*** The confusion probably arises from the fact that "Dean Pelton" [[http://www.channel101.com/talent/96 is the name of one of Dan Harmon's fellow alumni from his time at Channel 101]]. Harmon named the dean character after a person whose name actually was "Dean Pelton" for an inside joke/pun.

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*** ** I was aware of the title of Dean, I just thought one of the earliest jokes was that his first name was also Dean, making him Dean Dean Pelton. Maybe I'm thinking of another show/movie altogether.
*** ** Ahhhh. I get ya now.
*** ** The confusion probably arises from the fact that "Dean Pelton" [[http://www.channel101.com/talent/96 is the name of one of Dan Harmon's fellow alumni from his time at Channel 101]]. Harmon named the dean character after a person whose name actually was "Dean Pelton" for an inside joke/pun. \n

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Shirley baking]]



*** I posted in WildMassGuessing that Britta got high ''with'' the pizza guy, since he bugs out in stoned fashion as well when he hears Abed mention alternate timelines.
*** Or he could have been stoned already, and they both bonded over how stoned they were; everyone else makes a point of noting how weird he seemed.
*** Although she doesn't smoke up in the bathroom in this timeline, it's implied in the episode that Britta's already a bit high before getting to the party, so the drugs are probably affecting her abilities to reason a bit; the whole thing has 'something which seemed like an awesome idea at the time when drunk / high but when you've sobered up the truly disastrous implications make themselves apparent' written all over it. Plus, it's been established previously that Britta has truly terrible taste in men.

* What was the point of the [[spoiler: Dreamatorium, the big room Troy and Abed refused to part with]] in the latest episode? Kinda made them look like asses

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*** ** I posted in WildMassGuessing that Britta got high ''with'' the pizza guy, since he bugs out in stoned fashion as well when he hears Abed mention alternate timelines.
*** ** Or he could have been stoned already, and they both bonded over how stoned they were; everyone else makes a point of noting how weird he seemed.
*** ** Although she doesn't smoke up in the bathroom in this timeline, it's implied in the episode that Britta's already a bit high before getting to the party, so the drugs are probably affecting her abilities to reason a bit; the whole thing has 'something which seemed like an awesome idea at the time when drunk / high but when you've sobered up the truly disastrous implications make themselves apparent' written all over it. Plus, it's been established previously that Britta has truly terrible taste in men.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Dreamatorium]]

* What was the point of the [[spoiler: Dreamatorium, the big room Troy and Abed refused to part with]] in the latest episode? Kinda made them look like assesasses.



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Bubbe]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Rat project]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:You just became my hero]]



*** Troy's seen sitting perfectly normally on various surfaces throughout the episode without it or any complaint (which wouldn't be the case if he was a hemorrhoid sufferer), suggesting it's just an ordinary pillow (albeit one that looks like it's sunk in over time through heavy use). Plus, given what an exceptionally snide man Jeff can be, if that was the case he probably wouldn't let it go without at least one glib remark at least.

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*** ** Troy's seen sitting perfectly normally on various surfaces throughout the episode without it or any complaint (which wouldn't be the case if he was a hemorrhoid sufferer), suggesting it's just an ordinary pillow (albeit one that looks like it's sunk in over time through heavy use). Plus, given what an exceptionally snide man Jeff can be, if that was the case he probably wouldn't let it go without at least one glib remark at least.



*** Opinions are obviously split on this, but I agree with the hemorrhoid thing. Not saying that Troy has hemorrhoids, because nothing he's ever done in the show would suggest this, but it IS a hemorrhoid pillow. Jeff is saying that he has new respect for Troy because Troy brings in this hemorrhoid pillow - with all the social stigmas against it - just to be comfortable, especially when he doesn't medically need it.
*** addendum: I just rewatched the episode, and that isn't a hemorrhoid pillow - those are U-shaped. Also, somebody told me that the joke was that Troy rests his head on his backpack during class, and having nothing but a pillow in it gives him maximum comfort.
*** I think it has nothing to do with hemorrhoids, it's simply that Troy's backpack contains a solitary item that has no academic purpose whatever. I think Jeff's tone is a combination of admiration and disgust. Admiration that Troy has committed to the illusion of padding an otherwise empty backpack with an item having one of the best weight to bulk ratios, and disgust that Annie's paranoia has lead to a point where this fact is exposed.

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*** ** Opinions are obviously split on this, but I agree with the hemorrhoid thing. Not saying that Troy has hemorrhoids, because nothing he's ever done in the show would suggest this, but it IS a hemorrhoid pillow. Jeff is saying that he has new respect for Troy because Troy brings in this hemorrhoid pillow - with all the social stigmas against it - just to be comfortable, especially when he doesn't medically need it.
*** ** addendum: I just rewatched the episode, and that isn't a hemorrhoid pillow - those are U-shaped. Also, somebody told me that the joke was that Troy rests his head on his backpack during class, and having nothing but a pillow in it gives him maximum comfort.
*** ** I think it has nothing to do with hemorrhoids, it's simply that Troy's backpack contains a solitary item that has no academic purpose whatever. I think Jeff's tone is a combination of admiration and disgust. Admiration that Troy has committed to the illusion of padding an otherwise empty backpack with an item having one of the best weight to bulk ratios, and disgust that Annie's paranoia has lead to a point where this fact is exposed.
exposed.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Expelled]]




[[/folder]]

[[folder:Camera in the Dean's office]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Flawed teacher and credit]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Blue tinge]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Molestation]]



*** [[FridgeBrilliance Evil Abed could be confronting Britta]] with her worst fear - [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that she is average]], [[LameExcuse that it was not important]] and [[PlayingTheVictimCard she is exaggerating]], as much as [[TruthInTelevision many sexual abuse victims fear in real life]]. We know her father sided with the man in question when she confronted him and that she's affected enough by the incident to be visibly upset when she was telling Evil Abed about it. And then she [[HeroicBSOD considers dying her hair]].

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*** ** [[FridgeBrilliance Evil Abed could be confronting Britta]] with her worst fear - [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that she is average]], [[LameExcuse that it was not important]] and [[PlayingTheVictimCard she is exaggerating]], as much as [[TruthInTelevision many sexual abuse victims fear in real life]]. We know her father sided with the man in question when she confronted him and that she's affected enough by the incident to be visibly upset when she was telling Evil Abed about it. And then she [[HeroicBSOD considers dying her hair]].



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Annie's money]]



*** At the end of that very episode, she mentioned how the money she saved was running out way sooner than she expected and decided to get a job.

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*** ** At the end of that very episode, she mentioned how the money she saved was running out way sooner than she expected and decided to get a job.
job.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Heidi's name]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Ben's father]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Abed predicting people]]



*** I took that as part of Abed's CharacterDevelopment showing him developing into more of a human being with emotions rather than a pop-culture referencebot.

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*** ** I took that as part of Abed's CharacterDevelopment showing him developing into more of a human being with emotions rather than a pop-culture referencebot.



*** [[FanDumb A lot of people would]].

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*** ** [[FanDumb A lot of people would]].



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Remedial Chaos Theory timeline bleedthrough]]



*** Didn't another episode reference Annie having a gun? I can't remember where or when, but for some reason my brain is insisting that the gun was mentioned at some point other than in that episode.

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*** ** Didn't another episode reference Annie having a gun? I can't remember where or when, but for some reason my brain is insisting that the gun was mentioned at some point other than in that episode.



*** A joke that, in Annie's own admission, started getting a bit real.

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*** ** A joke that, in Annie's own admission, started getting a bit real.



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Evil!Abed's plans]]



*** To be fair, the 'fictional' bit is potentially debatable, as there is an element of MaybeMagicMaybeMundane about the whole 'Darkest Timeline' thing. This said, whether the other timelines have some form of existence or not (and this kind of gets into quantum mechanics, which is a whole other debate), it probably is impossible to travel between them anyway, so the point is much the same.

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*** ** To be fair, the 'fictional' bit is potentially debatable, as there is an element of MaybeMagicMaybeMundane about the whole 'Darkest Timeline' thing. This said, whether the other timelines have some form of existence or not (and this kind of gets into quantum mechanics, which is a whole other debate), it probably is impossible to travel between them anyway, so the point is much the same.



*** No matter what, it could go either way. Remember, this is a show where a ZombieApocalypse was started with "taco meat" from the military and stopped with air conditioners.

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*** ** No matter what, it could go either way. Remember, this is a show where a ZombieApocalypse was started with "taco meat" from the military and stopped with air conditioners.
conditioners.

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Season 4 and the AC Annex]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Season 4 timing]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Susan B Anthony dance]]



*** Granted, there is the argument that having an 'exception' to the 'rule' that men always ask women out could help strengthen the rule that women 'aren't allowed' to do that normally, and instead have to be 'given permission' to do that by the exception. But that's a weaksauce explanation, and Britta doesn't even use it.
*** And the protest of that by starting another dance makes no sense, as Britta never specifics who can ask each other out to that one.
*** And of course, the origin of a Sadie Hawkins dance is stupidly sexist (Women chase men through town, and if they catch them, force them to get married), over in in ComicStrip/LilAbner, but Britta doesn't appear to know that ''either''.
*** So she's just rebelling for no justification at all, which strangely manages to be slightly out of character for Britta. Does she think that Sadie Hawkins is an ''actual person'' who shouldn't be honored?
*** I'm not sure I follow, entirely; surely 'rebelling for no justification at all' is, by this point, a pretty major part of Britta's character. She's pretty contrarian ("No to everything you both said!"), and tends to get self-righteous on the flimsiest of pretexts anyway, so it's hardly that out of the ordinary for her to latch onto something that seems vaguely problematic (whether she fully understands why or not) and kick up a stink about it.

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*** ** Granted, there is the argument that having an 'exception' to the 'rule' that men always ask women out could help strengthen the rule that women 'aren't allowed' to do that normally, and instead have to be 'given permission' to do that by the exception. But that's a weaksauce explanation, and Britta doesn't even use it.
*** ** And the protest of that by starting another dance makes no sense, as Britta never specifics who can ask each other out to that one.
*** ** And of course, the origin of a Sadie Hawkins dance is stupidly sexist (Women chase men through town, and if they catch them, force them to get married), over in in ComicStrip/LilAbner, but Britta doesn't appear to know that ''either''.
*** ** So she's just rebelling for no justification at all, which strangely manages to be slightly out of character for Britta. Does she think that Sadie Hawkins is an ''actual person'' who shouldn't be honored?
*** ** I'm not sure I follow, entirely; surely 'rebelling for no justification at all' is, by this point, a pretty major part of Britta's character. She's pretty contrarian ("No to everything you both said!"), and tends to get self-righteous on the flimsiest of pretexts anyway, so it's hardly that out of the ordinary for her to latch onto something that seems vaguely problematic (whether she fully understands why or not) and kick up a stink about it. \n

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Britta revealing supposed molestation]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Paintball rules]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Jeff and e-mail]]



*** Original poster here. I actually meant for his personal emails, as we see that the Dean knows [[spoiler:about Jeff's plans to meet his father over Thanksgiving]] in Season 4 - something he wanted to keep secret from everyone else.
*** Ahhhh, I get ya. In which case, I'd guess that either (a) Jeff still uses his college email for personal emails for convenience or (b) the Dean. being just a wee bit of a stalker, has hacked into another of Jeff's email accounts without Jeff finding out yet. Alternatively -- and this might conflict with the episode, but I can't remember -- the Dean could have found out another way (he lives in the apartment next door, and I'd be astonished if he didn't listen in on Jeff every so often).

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*** ** Original poster here. I actually meant for his personal emails, as we see that the Dean knows [[spoiler:about Jeff's plans to meet his father over Thanksgiving]] in Season 4 - something he wanted to keep secret from everyone else.
*** ** Ahhhh, I get ya. In which case, I'd guess that either (a) Jeff still uses his college email for personal emails for convenience or (b) the Dean. being just a wee bit of a stalker, has hacked into another of Jeff's email accounts without Jeff finding out yet. Alternatively -- and this might conflict with the episode, but I can't remember -- the Dean could have found out another way (he lives in the apartment next door, and I'd be astonished if he didn't listen in on Jeff every so often).



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Magnitude and his CatchPhrase]]



*** Confirmed in "Economics of Marine Biology."

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*** ** Confirmed in "Economics of Marine Biology."
"

[[/folder]]

[[folder:Jeff and Dean sexual harassment]]



*** Jeff told him to stop reading his emails, he never said anything about the harassment.

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*** ** Jeff told him to stop reading his emails, he never said anything about the harassment.



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Jeff's name]]



[[/folder]]

[[folder:Troy and Abed apology (or lack thereof)]]




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[[folder:Shirley knowing Jeff's age]]



*** But she didn't ''know'' she knew him as a child until the third season (she's shocked to discover he's "Tinkletown"). Yet in the first season she insists they're "basically the same age" (the real 2 years), rather than a 7-year age gap. And it ''still'' doesn't make sense why Pierce, being out to get Jeff as he was in season 2, wouldn't use his vanity as a weakness. And why he wouldn't make some comment about how Jeff's parents married two years ''after'' he was born. It just feels like this "twist" could've been a little better planned...[[{{RetCon}} assuming they actually planned it at all.]]
*** Again; she just guessed. It's not exactly rocket science; she can probably figure out just by looking at him (and, let's be honest, knowing him) that Jeff isn't as young as he claims to be (heck, the other members of the study group don't even have this tenuous connection to 'Tinkletown', but they've still clearly suspected that Jeff's been lying about his age, so why wouldn't Shirley?). In any case, Shirley claiming that she and Jeff are "basically the same age" is hardly her admitting that she's worked out his age to the exact year or anything; just that she suspects they're closer in age than he lets on. (Also, when exactly did Shirley say that to Jeff? I remember her saying it to Britta, so I'm possibly missing something.) As for Pierce, if you really wanted to wound someone and make them suffer why use the mildly-uncomfortable-but-not-really-that-big-a-deal-in-the-long-run weakness of a man lying about his age because he's a little insecure about it as a weapon when you can use the much more devastating weakness of his abandonment issues caused by his estranged father as a weapon? Had Pierce exposed Jeff's age in Season 2, the result from everyone would most likely be more or less the same as the result in this episode -- a pretty resounding "Meh, whatever, we kind of thought that anyway." Not to mention that the trouble in this episode stemmed from Jeff actually reaching the big four-oh, whereas three years ago this would have slightly less of a problem.
*** So, what, people only have crises about their age at ten-year milestones? In my personal experience, I have crises when they're related to where my parents were at that age. Jeff's father was 36 when he abandoned them, which would have been what had been established as his age in every previous episode that mentioned it. What was the point of this retcon?
*** No, not necessarily; just that it's (in my personal experience and understanding, at least) rather common for people to particularly experience age-related crises of this nature when they hit the milestone of forty (certainly, it seems fairly common in fiction at least), and I'm simply working off the assumption that Jeff is one of them. But yeah, for what it's worth, as I understand it a lot of people do tend to fret over their age more when they reach a particular milestone rather than the ages in between (that's kind of partly why we consider them 'milestones' in the first place -- culturally we consider significant moments in our lives). For one example, I'm willing to bet more people would enter a mid-life crisis at the age of forty than they would at thirty-three or thirty-six. Not everyone compares their age to what their parents were doing at that exact age. Not everyone has the exact same personal experiences or goes through their hang-ups about their age in the exact same way, and I'm just willing to accept that this is the point where Jeff reached a serious crisis about his age more than you. And the 'point' of this retcon was simply to facilitate the telling of this story. Maybe not the best of reasons, but that's it.

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*** ** But she didn't ''know'' she knew him as a child until the third season (she's shocked to discover he's "Tinkletown"). Yet in the first season she insists they're "basically the same age" (the real 2 years), rather than a 7-year age gap. And it ''still'' doesn't make sense why Pierce, being out to get Jeff as he was in season 2, wouldn't use his vanity as a weakness. And why he wouldn't make some comment about how Jeff's parents married two years ''after'' he was born. It just feels like this "twist" could've been a little better planned...[[{{RetCon}} assuming they actually planned it at all.]]
*** ** Again; she just guessed. It's not exactly rocket science; she can probably figure out just by looking at him (and, let's be honest, knowing him) that Jeff isn't as young as he claims to be (heck, the other members of the study group don't even have this tenuous connection to 'Tinkletown', but they've still clearly suspected that Jeff's been lying about his age, so why wouldn't Shirley?). In any case, Shirley claiming that she and Jeff are "basically the same age" is hardly her admitting that she's worked out his age to the exact year or anything; just that she suspects they're closer in age than he lets on. (Also, when exactly did Shirley say that to Jeff? I remember her saying it to Britta, so I'm possibly missing something.) As for Pierce, if you really wanted to wound someone and make them suffer why use the mildly-uncomfortable-but-not-really-that-big-a-deal-in-the-long-run weakness of a man lying about his age because he's a little insecure about it as a weapon when you can use the much more devastating weakness of his abandonment issues caused by his estranged father as a weapon? Had Pierce exposed Jeff's age in Season 2, the result from everyone would most likely be more or less the same as the result in this episode -- a pretty resounding "Meh, whatever, we kind of thought that anyway." Not to mention that the trouble in this episode stemmed from Jeff actually reaching the big four-oh, whereas three years ago this would have slightly less of a problem.
*** ** So, what, people only have crises about their age at ten-year milestones? In my personal experience, I have crises when they're related to where my parents were at that age. Jeff's father was 36 when he abandoned them, which would have been what had been established as his age in every previous episode that mentioned it. What was the point of this retcon?
*** ** No, not necessarily; just that it's (in my personal experience and understanding, at least) rather common for people to particularly experience age-related crises of this nature when they hit the milestone of forty (certainly, it seems fairly common in fiction at least), and I'm simply working off the assumption that Jeff is one of them. But yeah, for what it's worth, as I understand it a lot of people do tend to fret over their age more when they reach a particular milestone rather than the ages in between (that's kind of partly why we consider them 'milestones' in the first place -- culturally we consider significant moments in our lives). For one example, I'm willing to bet more people would enter a mid-life crisis at the age of forty than they would at thirty-three or thirty-six. Not everyone compares their age to what their parents were doing at that exact age. Not everyone has the exact same personal experiences or goes through their hang-ups about their age in the exact same way, and I'm just willing to accept that this is the point where Jeff reached a serious crisis about his age more than you. And the 'point' of this retcon was simply to facilitate the telling of this story. Maybe not the best of reasons, but that's it.



*** He probably wouldn't; this one can presumably be chalked up to Dan Harmon's absence and the different production team in Season 4, thus creating some discrepancies in how they approach the character. It's just a minor retcon.
*** Harmon's treated everything else that season as canon, why isn't this being observed as canon? And when multiple episodes have established someone's age, that's not "minor," that's a pretty big retcon, with very little justification.
*** Okay dude, "retcon" might not have been the best choice of words, but my point was that it was something easily overlooked, particularly if you had nothing to do with writing that particular scene, episode or season; Harmon's clearly kept the broad strokes of what happened in season 4 as canon (i.e. he's not denying there was ever an episode where Jeff confronted his DisappearedDad at Thanksgiving), but that doesn't mean he's got perfect recall of or cares about every single line of dialogue that was spoken in that episode. He likely just forgot about that particular line (or didn't care about it, deciding that the story he wanted to tell in this episode was more important than fidelity to a single line spoken in a season that he publicly doesn't care for). It happens. And to be honest, ''Community'' would be far from the first show where this kind of thing has happened, so it's probably not worth getting too upset over it. It's annoying, but at some point you do have to remember the MST3KMantra.
*** Also, what were these multiple episodes where Jeff's age was directly confirmed aside from the example you mentioned? You keep referring to multiple examples where this has been confirmed but I honestly can't remember them.
*** I fail to see how adding a few years to Jeff's age ''isn't'' a minor retcon. Even assuming several episodes did confirm his age (which, like the poster above me, I do not actually remember happening so it's hard to say how significant or ironclad those confirmations are to start with), it's not like they have changed some integral part of his character. It's a slight smudge to the timeline is all, barely more significant than the retcon in Season 4 where Troy's career-ending kegflip injury was his knee instead of his shoulders.
*** Did he say 22 years ago? I don't remember the exact line, but isn't it just that he kept it under his bed for 22 years? Or until he was 35-6, which means that he got rid of them in season 1-2. If he got rid of the letters (which reminded him that somebody actually cared about him) when he finally developed actual friendship with other people, that's FridgeBrilliance. Of course, I don't recall the line, so this could be EpilepticTrees.

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*** ** He probably wouldn't; this one can presumably be chalked up to Dan Harmon's absence and the different production team in Season 4, thus creating some discrepancies in how they approach the character. It's just a minor retcon.
*** ** Harmon's treated everything else that season as canon, why isn't this being observed as canon? And when multiple episodes have established someone's age, that's not "minor," that's a pretty big retcon, with very little justification.
*** ** Okay dude, "retcon" might not have been the best choice of words, but my point was that it was something easily overlooked, particularly if you had nothing to do with writing that particular scene, episode or season; Harmon's clearly kept the broad strokes of what happened in season 4 as canon (i.e. he's not denying there was ever an episode where Jeff confronted his DisappearedDad at Thanksgiving), but that doesn't mean he's got perfect recall of or cares about every single line of dialogue that was spoken in that episode. He likely just forgot about that particular line (or didn't care about it, deciding that the story he wanted to tell in this episode was more important than fidelity to a single line spoken in a season that he publicly doesn't care for). It happens. And to be honest, ''Community'' would be far from the first show where this kind of thing has happened, so it's probably not worth getting too upset over it. It's annoying, but at some point you do have to remember the MST3KMantra.
*** ** Also, what were these multiple episodes where Jeff's age was directly confirmed aside from the example you mentioned? You keep referring to multiple examples where this has been confirmed but I honestly can't remember them.
*** ** I fail to see how adding a few years to Jeff's age ''isn't'' a minor retcon. Even assuming several episodes did confirm his age (which, like the poster above me, I do not actually remember happening so it's hard to say how significant or ironclad those confirmations are to start with), it's not like they have changed some integral part of his character. It's a slight smudge to the timeline is all, barely more significant than the retcon in Season 4 where Troy's career-ending kegflip injury was his knee instead of his shoulders.
*** ** Did he say 22 years ago? I don't remember the exact line, but isn't it just that he kept it under his bed for 22 years? Or until he was 35-6, which means that he got rid of them in season 1-2. If he got rid of the letters (which reminded him that somebody actually cared about him) when he finally developed actual friendship with other people, that's FridgeBrilliance. Of course, I don't recall the line, so this could be EpilepticTrees.EpilepticTrees.

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** Because Abed's doing it without Jeff's permission, which is unreasonable and rude of him and would be reason enough by itself. However, it's ''also'' because of the following: Abed's cracked Jeff's account password to do so, which violates Jeff's privacy and is a sneaky and underhanded thing to do; Abed (presumably) isn't giving Jeff any money towards paying for his use of the account, meaning that Abed is essentially sponging off Jeff; Abed frequently either gets judgemental about the stuff Jeff watches and/or delete it without Jeff's permission because it doesn't meet Abed's standards, either of which is an incredibly obnoxious and high-handed thing to do to someone you're essentially leeching free stuff from; and Abed is completely and even arrogantly unapologetic about all of the above. Simply put, it's Jeff's account, he's the one paying for it, he can allow or disallow whoever he wants from accessing it, and if he doesn't want Abed to access it without his permission that should be the end of the matter. Abed isn't entitled to use Jeff's account; if he wants to watch stuff on Netflix that badly he can pay for his own account. And incidentally, if you seriously don't see why Jeff might have a problem with any of this remind me never to roommate with you any time soon.

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** Because Abed's doing it without Jeff's permission, which is unreasonable and rude of him and would be reason enough by itself. However, it's ''also'' because of the following: Abed's cracked Jeff's account password to do so, which violates Jeff's privacy and is a sneaky and underhanded thing to do; Abed (presumably) isn't giving Jeff any money towards paying for his use of the account, meaning that Abed is essentially sponging off Jeff; Abed frequently either gets judgemental about the stuff Jeff watches and/or delete it without Jeff's permission because it doesn't meet Abed's standards, either of which is an incredibly obnoxious and high-handed thing to do to someone you're essentially leeching free stuff from; and Abed is completely and even arrogantly unapologetic about all of the above. Simply put, it's Jeff's account, he's the one paying for it, he can allow or disallow whoever he wants from accessing it, and if he doesn't want Abed to access it without his permission that should be the end of the matter. Abed isn't entitled to use Jeff's account; if he wants to watch stuff on Netflix that badly he can pay for his own account. And incidentally, if you seriously don't see why Jeff might have a problem with any of this remind me never to roommate with you any time soon. account.

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** This is Greendale. It's not exactly the most competently or efficiently run example of a higher education facility.
2nd Oct '16 1:43:44 AM GoblinCipher
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** A better question is why they would even consider having a paintball game on campus, roaming in and around the buildings, in the first place. There's no ''way'' that isn't going to wreck the place. I've participated in similar events at actual colleges, and they ''always'' use foam-dart guns and disc guns; yes, the students are going to be finding stray darts for years, but cleaning up a small amount of litter is rather cheaper than repainting walls, replacing carpets and broken windows, etc., not to mention that inexperienced players are far less likely to get badly hurt.
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** Pelton has grown attached to them and wants to keep them there as long as possible. It's a pretty bad school.
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** This is also spelled out rather clearly before the heist; an AC worker under Laybourne ([[spoiler:the one who kills him]]) tells Troy that he "doesn't have a horse in the race" and so has no reason to help the Seven, unless Troy were to join the Annex. When the heist starts going sideways, Troy nods to the camera to have a unit deactivated, essentially accepting the deal.
30th Jul '16 6:24:16 PM TimBuckII
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*** [[FanDumb A lot of people would]].
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