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21st Mar '18 6:08:54 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** And also, as noted above, some of these examples simply boil down to "I don't like how this writer has treated this character" more than anything else. One person's "he's ruined WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero Magneto!" is another's "he's using Magneto in a very interesting way to explore how a WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero can become exactly like the thing they despise if they're not careful". Yeah, some readers might not necessarily ''like'' Magneto being treated in this way, and they're within their rights not to, but that's different from arguing that writers shouldn't be ''allowed'' to use Magneto in such a fashion, which is essentially what a character bible would be doing. As mentioned, it would simply be taking one group's preferred version of the character and forcing ''everyone'' to conform to it, even when perfectly interesting stories that went against this interpretation could be told.

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*** And also, as noted above, some of these examples simply boil down to "I don't like how this writer has treated this character" more than anything else. One person's "he's ruined WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero Magneto!" is another's "he's using Magneto in a very interesting way to explore how a WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero can become exactly like the thing they despise if they're not careful".careful" (and, for that matter, one person's "Magneto's a complex WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero" could be another person's "Magneto's a VillainSue who gets all the horrible things he does hand-waved because of his sad backstory"). Yeah, some readers might not necessarily ''like'' Magneto being treated in this way, and they're within their rights not to, but that's different from arguing that writers shouldn't be ''allowed'' to use Magneto in such a fashion, which is essentially what a character bible would be doing. As mentioned, it would simply be taking one group's preferred version of the character and forcing ''everyone'' to conform to it, even when perfectly interesting stories that went against this interpretation could be told.
21st Mar '18 5:42:18 PM DoctorNemesis
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*** And also, as noted above, some of these examples simply boil down to "I don't like how this writer has treated this character" more than anything else. One person's "he's ruined WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero Magneto!" is another's "he's using Magneto to explore how a WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero can become exactly like the thing they despise if they're not careful, no matter how just their cause or how valid their reasons for anger". Yeah, some readers might not necessarily ''like'' Magneto being treated in this way, and they're within their rights not to, but that's different from arguing that writers shouldn't be ''allowed'' to use Magneto in such a fashion, which is essentially what a character bible would be doing. As mentioned, it would simply be taking one group's preferred version of the character and forcing ''everyone'' to conform to it, even when perfectly interesting stories that went against this interpretation could be told.

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*** And also, as noted above, some of these examples simply boil down to "I don't like how this writer has treated this character" more than anything else. One person's "he's ruined WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero Magneto!" is another's "he's using Magneto in a very interesting way to explore how a WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero can become exactly like the thing they despise if they're not careful, no matter how just their cause or how valid their reasons for anger".careful". Yeah, some readers might not necessarily ''like'' Magneto being treated in this way, and they're within their rights not to, but that's different from arguing that writers shouldn't be ''allowed'' to use Magneto in such a fashion, which is essentially what a character bible would be doing. As mentioned, it would simply be taking one group's preferred version of the character and forcing ''everyone'' to conform to it, even when perfectly interesting stories that went against this interpretation could be told.
22nd Feb '18 5:58:44 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** And also, as noted above, some of these examples simply boil down to "I don't like how this writer has treated this character" more than anything else. One person's "he's ruined Magneto!" is another's "he's using Magneto to explore how a WellIntentionedExtremist can become exactly like the thing they despise if they're not careful, no matter how just their cause or how valid their reasons for anger". Yeah, some readers might not necessarily ''like'' Magneto being treated in this way, and they're within their rights not to, but that's different from arguing that writers shouldn't be ''allowed'' to use Magneto to tell these kinds of stories, which is essentially what a character bible would be doing. As mentioned, it would be taking one group's preferred version of the character and forcing ''everyone'' to conform to it, even when perfectly interesting stories that went against this interpretation could be told.

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*** And also, as noted above, some of these examples simply boil down to "I don't like how this writer has treated this character" more than anything else. One person's "he's ruined WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero Magneto!" is another's "he's using Magneto to explore how a WellIntentionedExtremist AntiHero can become exactly like the thing they despise if they're not careful, no matter how just their cause or how valid their reasons for anger". Yeah, some readers might not necessarily ''like'' Magneto being treated in this way, and they're within their rights not to, but that's different from arguing that writers shouldn't be ''allowed'' to use Magneto to tell these kinds of stories, in such a fashion, which is essentially what a character bible would be doing. As mentioned, it would simply be taking one group's preferred version of the character and forcing ''everyone'' to conform to it, even when perfectly interesting stories that went against this interpretation could be told.
22nd Feb '18 5:57:25 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** And also, as noted above, some of these examples simply boil down to "I don't like how this writer has treated this character" more than anything else. One person's "he's ruined Magneto!" is another's "he's using Magneto to explore how a WellIntentionedExtremist can become exactly like the thing they despise if they're not careful, no matter how just their cause or how valid their reasons for anger". Yeah, some readers might not necessarily ''like'' Magneto being treated in this way, and they're within their rights not to, but that's different from arguing that writers shouldn't be ''allowed'' to use Magneto to tell these kinds of stories, which is essentially what a character bible would be doing. As mentioned, it would be taking one group's preferred version of the character and forcing ''everyone'' to conform to it, even when perfectly interesting stories that went against this interpretation could be told.
18th Feb '18 6:27:23 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Even within a fictional universe, there are probably a plethora of other fictional characters that any would-be cosplayer would be able to dress up as without incurring any of these problems.

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** Even within a fictional universe, there are probably a plethora of other fictional characters that any would-be cosplayer would be able to dress up as without incurring any of these problems. If nothing else, some authors have suggested that DC Comics exists in the Marvel Universe (and vice versa) and that both universes have their own fictional in-verse comics publishers as well.
5th Feb '18 2:42:14 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Then those people may be using it incorrectly (though it depends on how the character's death is treated by the story -- if it's throw-away and intended just to motivate a male character, then it still might fall into this trope) but that doesn't mean the general issue doesn't exist or isn't a problem.
1st Feb '18 11:30:40 PM Tuomas
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*** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series Here]] is in an incomplete list of all-time best selling comic book series. Out of the 34 titles on the list, 7 (or 8, if you count ''The Phantom'') are superhero comics. Note also that the big numbers titles like ''Batman'', ''Superman'', and ''Spider-Man'' have were mostly accumulated during the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Age. These days those titles sell way less than popular European comics like ''Asterix'' or many manga titles.

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*** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series Here]] is in an incomplete list of all-time best selling comic book series. Out of the 34 titles on the list, 7 (or 8, if you count ''The Phantom'') are superhero comics. Note also that the big numbers for titles like ''Batman'', ''Superman'', and ''Spider-Man'' have were mostly accumulated during the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Age.Age, when they were much more popular. These days those titles sell way less than popular European comics like ''Asterix'' or many manga titles.
30th Jan '18 6:29:05 AM Dere
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*** People complain about the trope just the same (if not more) when long-established female love interests with well-defined personalities are killed off, though.
8th Jan '18 1:05:32 AM Tuomas
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*** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series Here]] is in an incomplete list of all-time best selling comic book series. Out of the 34 titles on the list, 7 (or 8, if you count ''The Phantom'') are superhero titles.

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*** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series Here]] is in an incomplete list of all-time best selling comic book series. Out of the 34 titles on the list, 7 (or 8, if you count ''The Phantom'') are superhero titles. comics. Note also that the big numbers titles like ''Batman'', ''Superman'', and ''Spider-Man'' have were mostly accumulated during the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Age. These days those titles sell way less than popular European comics like ''Asterix'' or many manga titles.
8th Jan '18 1:01:07 AM Tuomas
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**** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_comic_series Here]] is in an incomplete list of all-time best selling comic book series. Out of the 34 titles on the list, 7 (or 8, if you count ''The Phantom'') are superhero titles.
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