History Headscratchers / CivilWar

12th May '18 8:16:55 AM troperaiser
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* Why didn't Speedball, the only survivor of the New Warriors after the Stanford disaster, try to explain that Nitro, the '''''SUPERVILLAIN''''', was the one who caused the explosion, instead of becoming [[https://orig00.deviantart.net/6753/f/2007/192/c/3/penance_cover_by_spaciousinterior.jpg Penance]], The Edgeist Edgelord that ever Edgelorded?[[note]] He gets his powers from cutting himself. '''''[[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer SERIOUSLY.]]''''' [[/note]]
3rd Feb '18 8:36:53 AM SeptimusHeap
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** I think the point they were trying to make (and failed to do so) is that Cap's personal justifications aren't reality. He often reasons his actions (especially when it's against the gov't) as being "the will of people." The problem is that "the people" isn't just some abstract that Cap can pin all his ideals on for justification. They're flesh-and-blood ''people'' who all have insecurities, foibles, and fears. And they're piss-freezingly terrified of an unregulated superpowered elite running around their country. They don't give a crap on whether or not Moon Knight wants to remain anonymous. They want his ass trained and cleared for punching Stilt-Man in the face so their house doesn't get wrecked. They're not the Norman Rockwell, mom-and-apple-pie abstracts Cap can imagine whatever they want them to be. They're much more human and petty than that. They go on MySpace, they watch American Idol, and they don't like the idea that because you have powers and/or a mask, that means you can just go punch out a nuclear-powered Doombot and then run away with your anonymity after the thing smashes into a library. This what I would ''guess'' they were trying to say but got so stuck on the pop culture references that all anyone remembers is "Cap failed because he doesn't watch NASCAR."

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** I think the point they were trying to make (and failed to do so) is that Cap's personal justifications aren't reality. He often reasons his actions (especially when it's against the gov't) as being "the will of people." The problem is that "the people" isn't just some abstract that Cap can pin all his ideals on for justification. They're flesh-and-blood ''people'' who all have insecurities, foibles, and fears. And they're piss-freezingly terrified of an unregulated superpowered elite running around their country. They don't give a crap on whether or not Moon Knight wants to remain anonymous. They want his ass trained and cleared for punching Stilt-Man in the face so their house doesn't get wrecked. They're not the Norman Rockwell, mom-and-apple-pie abstracts Cap can imagine whatever they want them to be. They're much more human and petty than that. They go on MySpace, Website/MySpace, they watch American Idol, and they don't like the idea that because you have powers and/or a mask, that means you can just go punch out a nuclear-powered Doombot and then run away with your anonymity after the thing smashes into a library. This what I would ''guess'' they were trying to say but got so stuck on the pop culture references that all anyone remembers is "Cap failed because he doesn't watch NASCAR."
15th Aug '17 12:07:57 PM AndyLA
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** Because that was pretty much the most inescapable place the [[SarcasmMode geniuses]] could think of. They didn't think that Annihilus could stop by and thrash the place and kill everyone inside, they just didn't want a place the Antis could escape easily like, say, the Raft.
28th Jul '17 4:29:50 PM AndyLA
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*** Just the fact they retconned this conversation in ''Comicbook/SecretEmpire'' to have Sally Floyd mention Twitter instead of [=MySpace=] shows how off-base she was in the issue.
9th Jul '17 12:11:13 PM Dr.XXX
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* Why did the ding-dongs in charge of the pro-regs think it was a good idea to build a prison in the Negative Zone? First, there are a legion of bug monsters that live there that are far more willing to maim and kill the prisoners. Second, it is a place that induces misery and woe by being there for a long time.
6th Jul '17 10:15:44 PM Ansongc2000
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*** Except many heroes (Daredevil, Luke Cage, Punisher, Spiderman, the X-Men) only use the system when it's convenient for them, and in general, it's been shown through elseworlds and alternate timelines that most heroes put their morals above laws, and will revolt against the government if they feel it's becoming tyrranical. That's not to totally discredit the pro-reg side, but you'd think that the fear of the (as stated above) omnipresent corruption in the MU government that the heroes know about would be just as big if not bigger a talking-point of the anti-reg side that plattitudes about freedom.
11th May '17 11:32:57 AM ImaginaryMetroid
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** Yes, that's exactly what they thought; and the story acknowledges how stupid was that. It is one of the reasons why a SHRA was needed in the first place: to prevent any LeeroyJenkins with super powers to run to his death and cause massive deaths and property damages by accident.

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** Yes, that's exactly what they thought; and the story acknowledges how stupid was that.that was. It is one of the reasons why a SHRA was needed in the first place: to prevent any LeeroyJenkins with super powers to run to his death and cause massive deaths and property damages by accident.
3rd May '17 6:00:57 PM jm0914
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**** Actually, mutants were exempted from registration. Civil War took place after House of M and therefore M-Day, when the total mutant population of the world was reduced to 200 individuals. The entire reason Hope Summers was such a big deal was because she was the FIRST MUTANT TO MANIFEST after M-Day, well after Civil War because the X-Men were on Utopia. The government basically declared mutants an endangered species and said that as long as a mutant remained on the grounds of the Intsitute, they were both exempted from the act and guaranteed government protection. They basically turned the school into a wildlife refuge for mutants. Which opened up a whole new can of worms, but...
13th Mar '17 6:00:47 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** That's actually a huge part of why the entire arc is flawed ''from the start''. Really, the best way to have kicked it off if they had really wanted it to be GrayAndGrayMorality would have been to have no villains (super or otherwise) involved: make it [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot a completely avoidable disaster]] that deconstructs just how wrong things could go with very new, very powerful superheroes who get the traditional (total lack of) training and have the relatively common PowerIncontinence problems. It'd even be the easiest time ever to invoke NothingIsTheSameAnymore and do it truthfully: after something like that it'd be reasonable for everybody to agree that the old status quo is no longer acceptable, and the disagreement would then be entirely over what should replace it. No matter who'd win, there ''would'' be changes, and you wouldn't even need to kill off any extra characters to do it.

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*** That's actually a huge part of why the entire arc is flawed ''from the start''. Really, the best way to have kicked it off if they had really wanted it to be GrayAndGrayMorality would have been to have no villains (super or otherwise) involved: make it [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot a completely avoidable disaster]] disaster that deconstructs just how wrong things could go with very new, very powerful superheroes who get the traditional (total lack of) training and have the relatively common PowerIncontinence problems. It'd even be the easiest time ever to invoke NothingIsTheSameAnymore and do it truthfully: after something like that it'd be reasonable for everybody to agree that the old status quo is no longer acceptable, and the disagreement would then be entirely over what should replace it. No matter who'd win, there ''would'' be changes, and you wouldn't even need to kill off any extra characters to do it.
12th Feb '17 8:42:51 PM ErikModi
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** It's also pointed out in-universe that Reed doesn't account for "the human factor" in his new math that proves the SHRA is the only way to avoid things that are even worse. Basically, Reed's new mathematics may be dead-on, but he's forgotten to factor in a huge hell of a variable that can change the whole outcome of the equation. Like if you were doing an algebra problem, and decided to just throw out the 2 because you don't believe 2s can possibly be important. X is not going to equal X.
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