History Headscratchers / CivilWar

25th Apr '16 10:27:22 AM AnoSa
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*** That's actually a huge part of why the entire arc is flawed ''from the start''. Really, the best way to have kicked it off if they had really wanted it to be GrayAndGrayMorality would have been to have no villains (super or otherwise) involved: make it [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot a completely avoidable disaster]] that deconstructs just how wrong things could go with very new, very powerful superheroes who get the traditional (total lack of) training and have the relatively common PowerIncontinence problems. It'd even be the easiest time ever to invoke NothingIsTheSameAnymore and do it truthfully: after something like that it'd be reasonable for everybody to agree that the old status quo is no longer acceptable, and the disagreement would then be entirely over what should replace it. No matter who'd win, there ''would'' be changes, and you wouldn't even need to kill off any extra characters to do it.
1st Apr '16 11:11:55 AM ObsidianFire
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*** This. When people go paranoid, sometimes they don't look straight at the usual suspect, they go linking the more plainly-placed pieces instead. Why did Nitro explode? Because he was fighting the New Warriors; that's what he does to have an edge. Why were the New Warriors there? Because they were filming their TV show. Were the villains causing trouble in the streets? No, they were minding their own business. Who was the only survivor of that disaster? Speedball. These score some serious points against the heroes, but the people there are probably GenreBlind enough to not know that Nitro was never that powerful, and that he had taken something like MGH to make such a huge mess. And not just the people, also: it still amazes me that Wolverine was the only one to see this!

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*** This. When people go paranoid, sometimes they don't look straight at the usual suspect, they go linking the more plainly-placed pieces instead. Why did Nitro explode? Because he was fighting the New Warriors; that's what he does to have an edge. Why were the New Warriors there? Because they were filming their TV show. Were the villains causing trouble in the streets? No, they were minding their own business. Who was the only survivor of that disaster? Speedball. These score some serious points against the heroes, but the people there are probably GenreBlind not smart enough to not know that Nitro was never that powerful, and that he had taken something like MGH to make such a huge mess. And not just the people, also: it still amazes me that Wolverine was the only one to see this!



*** The most Wall Bangery thing about this is that you only have to look back to ''ComicBook/FantasticFour #336'' for Reed Richards'[[note]]and here's a Wall Banger inside of a Wall Banger![[/note]] complete, concise, and simple smackdown of the idea of a SHRA as basically "this idea is dumb, racist, makes no sense, can't be enforced, and will never work anyway." There may be good reasons for why people would want a SHRA, many of them in fact, but the truth is that none of them will ever work out with comic book logic. Ergo, Reed Richards [[strike: is]] was GenreSavvy, which in the Marvel Universe is far, far, ''far'' more important than theories of ethics and law.

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*** The most Wall Bangery thing about this is that you only have to look back to ''ComicBook/FantasticFour #336'' for Reed Richards'[[note]]and here's a Wall Banger inside of a Wall Banger![[/note]] complete, concise, and simple smackdown of the idea of a SHRA as basically "this idea is dumb, racist, makes no sense, can't be enforced, and will never work anyway." There may be good reasons for why people would want a SHRA, many of them in fact, but the truth is that none of them will ever work out with comic book logic. Ergo, Reed Richards [[strike: is]] was GenreSavvy, smart, which in the Marvel Universe is far, far, ''far'' more important than theories of ethics and law.
17th Mar '16 11:15:06 AM GrigorII
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** Nitro only contributed to the death of Mar-Vell because of the nerve gas he was carrying, which gave him incurable cancer. Power-level wise, he's not a gigantic threat, he just happened to be hopped up on Mutant Growth Hormones, something they couldn't have predicted. Without these two events to his name, he'd just be yet another D-list {{Jobber}}.

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** Nitro only contributed to the death of Mar-Vell because of the nerve gas he was carrying, which gave him incurable cancer. Power-level wise, he's not a gigantic threat, he just happened to be hopped up on Mutant Growth Hormones, something they couldn't have predicted. Without these two events to his name, he'd just be yet another D-list {{Jobber}}.PunchClockVillain.
17th Mar '16 10:58:01 AM Inertial_mass
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** Nitro only contributed to the death of Mar-Vell because of the nerve gas he was carrying, which gave him incurable cancer. Power-level wise, he's not a gigantic threat, he just happened to be hopped up on Mutant Growth Hormones, something they couldn't have predicted.

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** Nitro only contributed to the death of Mar-Vell because of the nerve gas he was carrying, which gave him incurable cancer. Power-level wise, he's not a gigantic threat, he just happened to be hopped up on Mutant Growth Hormones, something they couldn't have predicted. Without these two events to his name, he'd just be yet another D-list {{Jobber}}.
17th Mar '16 10:08:47 AM Inertial_mass
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** Nitro only contributed to the death of Mar-Vell because of the nerve gas he was carrying, which gave him incurable cancer. Power-level wise, he's not a gigantic threat, he just happened to be hopped up on Mutant Growth Hormones, something they couldn't have predicted.
12th Mar '16 7:36:32 AM CockroachCharlie
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**** Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the only ones who had to register were the ones who intended to USE said powers. If a person can fly, but chooses to drive instead, and especially not do any superheroing, he was basically off the hook for registration.
10th Dec '15 8:20:31 PM tomandtish
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**** The website Law and the Multiverse has a good article on this, and points out that technically it is almost impossible for the law to be in effect the day it is enacted, since the mechanism for registration isn't even there. So even after it became law, there should have been (in theory) a grace period. http://lawandthemultiverse.com/2011/05/02/marvel-civil-war-ii-deadlines-and-due-process/
10th Dec '15 8:12:17 PM tomandtish
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*** Yes. To use your analogy: I tell you I'm having trouble catching my breath, so you (an alleged Dr) hold me down, put a hole in my neck and stick a tube in to help me breathe, causing me to die. Your intentions may have been good, but your logic and planning is lousy. And they didn't even really have the benefit of good intentions because they were doing it for ratings.
10th Dec '15 8:06:48 PM tomandtish
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**** There's also some subtle manipulation by Tony of how Peter owes him for taking care of him, MJ, and May at Avenger's tower, and and implication that it could end.
4th Nov '15 4:58:53 AM SetsunasaNiWa
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*** For the umpteenth time, different universe. Different technology. Different laws. Hell, different ''country'' (the 616 USA is clearly different in many ways from our USA). You cannot apply the exact same standards of our reality to a vastly different reality. If you're saying that a masked man would never be able to give sworn testimony in the ''real'' world, I agree. But ''[[CaptainObvious the 616 universe isn't the real world]]''. That's really all there is to it. It's not our universe. Things obviously work different there.

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*** For the umpteenth time, different universe. Different technology. Different laws. Hell, different ''country'' (the 616 USA is clearly different in many ways from our USA). You cannot apply the exact same standards of our reality to a vastly different reality. If you're saying that a masked man would never be able to give sworn testimony in the ''real'' world, I agree. But ''[[CaptainObvious the ''the 616 universe isn't the real world]]''.world''. That's really all there is to it. It's not our universe. Things obviously work different there.
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