History Headscratchers / Carrie

15th Oct '17 3:54:52 AM CaptEquinox
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** Carrie "takes in sewing" for customers/neighbors in the book, so she has a little money put away.

to:

*** Carrie "takes in sewing" for customers/neighbors in the book, so she has a little money put away. The rocking chair she sits in while practicing TK was "bought and paid for with her own money".
2nd Sep '17 12:56:08 PM CaptEquinox
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** They may not have been aware of the full extent of Margaret's abuse. If Carrie is like [[TruthInTelevision most abused children]], she may have feared Margaret's retaliation if she spoke up. With no physical signs (the abuse appeared mostly emotional and verbal) and no testimony from the child, it would be very difficult to prove that any abuse had occurred. Even if the prayer closet did exist, Margaret could have easily explained it away as a shrine for religious practice. Again, unless Carrie admitted that she'd been thrown into it, CPS wouldn't have any proof. And all of that is assuming that CPS was even involved; the school district could have easily revoked Margaret's homeschooling privileges without involving CPS, since homeschooling has to meet district standards of education.
* Margaret's character doesn't make sense to me. To elaborate, she's such an over-the-top psycho with all the latent horror associated with every religious fanatic stereotype that would make members of WBC cringe! First of all, she's quoting things that ''[[CriticalResearchFailure aren't even in the Bible]]'' [[hottip:*: which Carrie herself lampshades in the 2013 version]], and believes that the normal things in female biology (ie: menstrual cycles, developing breasts) are either punishments or proof that you've committed sin. How the hell does a grown woman believe that having breasts is a sign that you 'weren't raised right'? Second, contrary to popular [[ReligiousStereotype "common knowledge"]], Christians don't preach that SexIsEvil. Granted, I'll let that slide a bit since ''that'' tenet of hers seems more from a FreudianExcuse than doctrine, but how does she expect the human race to perpetuate itself?! She seems to be more a case of RuleOfScary applied to TheFundamentalist than TheFundamentalist UpToEleven [[hottip:*: Okay, really she's [[TakeAThirdOption a bit of both]]. Plus, she seems for the most part to be trying to do [[WellIntentionedExtremist what's best for Carrie]], but she [[spoiler: pulls a friggin' knife on the girl and tries to murder her!]] I guess it wouldn't bug me so much if it weren't for the occasional HollywoodAtheist pointing to Margaret White as a "perfect example" of why ReligionIsEvil.

to:

** They may not have been aware of the full extent of Margaret's abuse. If Carrie is like [[TruthInTelevision most abused children]], she may have feared Margaret's retaliation if she spoke up. Abused children also don't speak up as a way of protecting parents (they're still your folks, you don't want them to go to jail). With no physical signs (the abuse appeared mostly emotional and verbal) and no testimony from the child, it would be very difficult to prove that any abuse had occurred. Even if the prayer closet did exist, Margaret could have easily explained it away as a shrine for religious practice. Again, unless Carrie admitted that she'd been thrown into it, CPS wouldn't have any proof. And all of that is assuming that CPS was even involved; the school district could have easily revoked Margaret's homeschooling privileges without involving CPS, since homeschooling has to meet district standards of education.
* Margaret's character doesn't make sense to me. To elaborate, she's such an over-the-top psycho with all the latent horror associated with every religious fanatic stereotype that would make members of WBC cringe! First of all, she's quoting things that ''[[CriticalResearchFailure aren't even in the Bible]]'' [[hottip:*: which Carrie herself lampshades in the 2013 version]], and believes that the normal things in female biology (ie: menstrual cycles, developing breasts) are either punishments or proof that you've committed sin. How the hell does a grown woman believe that having breasts is a sign that you 'weren't raised right'? Second, contrary to popular [[ReligiousStereotype "common knowledge"]], Christians don't preach that SexIsEvil. [[note]]Many people, including devotees who ought to know better, really do think the "first sin was intercourse". Not only is that untrue (the first sin was disobedience) but God actually asked Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply". Sex was not sin in Eden.[[/note]] Granted, I'll let that slide a bit since ''that'' tenet of hers seems more from a FreudianExcuse than doctrine, but how does she expect the human race to perpetuate itself?! She seems to be more a case of RuleOfScary applied to TheFundamentalist than TheFundamentalist UpToEleven [[hottip:*: Okay, really she's [[TakeAThirdOption a bit of both]]. Plus, she seems for the most part to be trying to do [[WellIntentionedExtremist what's best for Carrie]], but she [[spoiler: pulls a friggin' knife on the girl and tries to murder her!]] I guess it wouldn't bug me so much if it weren't for the occasional HollywoodAtheist pointing to Margaret White as a "perfect example" of why ReligionIsEvil.
27th Jul '17 3:09:05 PM wistan
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Look to real life - how many times are there headlines about some poor kid who kills themselves because of bullying and abuse that either nobody knew about, or nobody cared enough to do anything about? In fact the central message of Carrie could be considered to be a warning about exactly how such cruelty can go unnoticed or ignored by both individuals and systems.
29th Jun '17 2:26:24 AM CaptEquinox
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** The book emphasized that Carrie's TK actions sent out a telepathic signal with her presence, her identity. So when she began her revenge from ''outside'' the school, everyone inside immediately knew Carrie White was doing it. As she walked home wreaking destruction all the way, everyone within a two or three miles' radius knew that Carrie White was responsible for the power outages, fires, explosions et al., even if they did not know who Carrie White was. This would be very difficult to convey on film.



** As weak as it sounds she was seriously nuts even by TheFundamental standards. It's implied in some version Carrie's father and her mother hosed her up just as bad as she did to Carrie.

to:

** As weak as it sounds she was seriously nuts even by TheFundamental standards. It's implied in some version Carrie's father and her mother (and especially her ''grandmother'', whose behavior when she was doing TK was right out of a horror movie) hosed her up just as bad as she did to Carrie.


Added DiffLines:

*** What really drove her insane was terror. She'd witnessed her grandmother, already "senile to the point of idiocy", lighting the fireplace or doing TK stunts at the dinner table with an InsaneLaugh while drooling and panting like a dog, making the Evil Eye gesture[[note]]this is a ward ''against'' evil, but maybe Margaret didn't know this[[/note]] and even seeming to have GlowingEyesOfDoom which Margaret described as a "witch's light". It must have seemed like Gram had sold herself to Satan. Margaret knows this runs in the family. Her parents' reaction to Gram's antics is never described, but Margaret's intense devotion and her insanity seem to have started there.
17th Mar '17 1:01:28 AM ritzoreo
Is there an issue? Send a Message
17th Mar '17 1:01:24 AM ritzoreo
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** First, Carrie has been bullied not by one but by many students since she started attending school, King has her recall several incidents in school and in summer camp. By then she would have a very general view on the meanness of other teenagers. Second, ''everyone'' who was present at the scene laughed -even the sympathetic teachers, so Carrie was humiliated to the point of snapping. In her overstressed mind, those who laughed were complicit in the prank.



** She's not religious, she's crazy. Her warped view on Christianity is just an outlet for her AmbiguousDisorder. Seriously, her "religion" has all the hallmarks of a psychotic delusion: It's internally consistent, persecutory (she believes God is out to punish everyone and she has to pray for forgiveness), and rationally explains irrational behavior (if God is angry at women for Original Sin, then if I don't let my daughter become a woman, God won't be angry with her.) Even her misquoting/making up Bible verses could be a sign of a thought disorder, where the words on the page and what she reads are two entirely different things. Margaret White is nothing more than a walking psychosis wrapped in the shell Christianity.

to:

** She's not religious, she's crazy. Her warped view on Christianity is just an outlet for her AmbiguousDisorder. Seriously, her "religion" has all the hallmarks of a psychotic delusion: It's internally consistent, persecutory (she believes God is out to punish everyone and she has to pray for forgiveness), and rationally explains irrational behavior (if God is angry at women for Original Sin, then if I don't let my daughter become a woman, God won't be angry with her.) Even her misquoting/making up Bible verses could be a sign of a thought disorder, where the words on the page and what she reads are two entirely different things. Margaret White is nothing more than a walking psychosis wrapped in the shell Christianity.of Christianity.
** Margaret is crazy indeed: Notice that her parents and stepfather in the book are rather normal people who aren't even described as extremely religious. She gets along very poorly with them and she even antagonizes them with her ways by writing them awful letters and refusing to see them when she has a miscarriage. Her religious views seem to be her very own without subscribing to a particular denomination; notice that unlike fundamentalist protestants, she uses a lot of conspicuous iconography. But unlike conservative Catholics she worships at home with herself (a woman) as celebrant.
12th Mar '17 3:21:59 AM ritzoreo
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** First, in the book, Sue seems to be half-expecting that Tommy won't lend himself to her plan and even if he says yes that Carrie will possibly say no to Tommy's invitation. Later Sue writes that they were 17-18 yr old teenagers, so their decisions and plans, although perhaps well meaning, weren't so well thought. And as for the results of Tommy taking Carrie to the prom, Sue doesn't need to have the students accept Carrie, since after that night, they will all soon graduate and stop seeing each other regularly, making any acceptance scenario moot.
16th Feb '17 1:32:37 AM Nexils
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Carrie was dead at the time and it's not the kind of story that includes vengeful spirits etc. So the nightmare was probably a consequence of Sue's trauma thanks to all the deaths during prom night.

to:

** Carrie was dead at the time and it's not the kind of story that includes vengeful spirits etc. So the nightmare was probably a consequence of caused by Sue's trauma thanks to all the deaths during prom night. trauma. Most of her classmates, teachers and, of course, her own boyfriend died that night.
16th Feb '17 1:29:17 AM Nexils
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Carrie was dead at the time and it's not the kind of story that includes vengeful spirits etc. So the nightmare was probably a consequence of Sue's trauma thanks to all the deaths during prom night.
3rd Oct '16 10:59:12 PM shamblingdead2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** At the very end of the book, Amelia Jenks' letter shows that she's concerned about Annie's TK only because it seems to be associated with heart trouble in the family. We'll have to imagine what a TK child raised in a small Tennessee town by a loving mother will be like later.

to:

** At the very end of the book, Amelia Jenks' letter shows that she's concerned about Annie's TK only because it seems to be associated with heart trouble in the family. [[HeroOfAnotherStory We'll have to imagine imagine]] what a TK child raised in a small Tennessee town by a loving mother will be like later.
This list shows the last 10 events of 104. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.Carrie