History Headscratchers / CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger

15th Jul '17 8:52:24 PM nombretomado
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** Actually, there are separate distinctions because people don't always understand what KIA means. KIA is a more specific term than people realize. It is specifically killed in action. For example, in most militaries you get the DOW (died of wounds) designation if you are shot and die at the base hospital. MIA simply means missing in action. You may be dead, captured, or just missing. MIA benefits are paid to the beneficiaries, and change based on time frames (after 5 years they are basicially the same as death benefits). The exception is when there is enough circumstantial evidence to assume the person is dead even without a body (crewmen who were known to be on the Arizona for example). But as of 2014 there were still over 70,000 persons listed as MIA from WW2. Their surviving beneficiaries would be receiving MIA benefits that are equivalent to death benefits. Having said that, Steve may have been classified as KIA since the presumption would be no one could survive the crash. But there's also the legal one in civilian courts. After all, it's not reasonable to assume one is going to stay married to someone who is missing forever, esp. if the assumption is that they are dead. So the court can declare someone who is MIA deceased. In most US jurisdictions that is 3-7 years. So even if Steve was declared MIA, he was probably declared dead by a court. Even better, there is one nice bit of retroactiveness. Anyone who is MIA does technically accrue pay and leave, and if they are recovered alive (and assuming the MIA was for legitimate reasons), they collect those ON TOP of any benefits that may have been paid. And if a KIA is actually determined to have been alive (and again assuming no fraud), then their status is retroactively changed to MIA as well. Since the movie has Steve resurrected in 2012, he picked up about 67 years of back pay and leave. Details can be found at http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/Volume_07a.pdf

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** Actually, there are separate distinctions because people don't always understand what KIA means. KIA is a more specific term than people realize. It is specifically killed in action. For example, in most militaries you get the DOW (died of wounds) designation if you are shot and die at the base hospital. MIA simply means missing in action. You may be dead, captured, or just missing. MIA benefits are paid to the beneficiaries, and change based on time frames (after 5 years they are basicially the same as death benefits). The exception is when there is enough circumstantial evidence to assume the person is dead even without a body (crewmen who were known to be on the Arizona for example). But as of 2014 there were still over 70,000 persons listed as MIA from WW2.[=WW2=]. Their surviving beneficiaries would be receiving MIA benefits that are equivalent to death benefits. Having said that, Steve may have been classified as KIA since the presumption would be no one could survive the crash. But there's also the legal one in civilian courts. After all, it's not reasonable to assume one is going to stay married to someone who is missing forever, esp. if the assumption is that they are dead. So the court can declare someone who is MIA deceased. In most US jurisdictions that is 3-7 years. So even if Steve was declared MIA, he was probably declared dead by a court. Even better, there is one nice bit of retroactiveness. Anyone who is MIA does technically accrue pay and leave, and if they are recovered alive (and assuming the MIA was for legitimate reasons), they collect those ON TOP of any benefits that may have been paid. And if a KIA is actually determined to have been alive (and again assuming no fraud), then their status is retroactively changed to MIA as well. Since the movie has Steve resurrected in 2012, he picked up about 67 years of back pay and leave. Details can be found at http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/Volume_07a.pdf
2nd Jul '17 7:43:53 PM Adeon
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*** True, but while he's officially a Captain his unit is only about the size of a single squad so it's not like he needs a ton of formal training and he's probably read enough books to pick up the basics.
4th Nov '16 6:51:42 AM Morgenthaler
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** So that's four times as {{Badass}}, right? Sounds about right.

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** So that's four times as {{Badass}}, badass, right? Sounds about right.
1st Jul '16 11:04:48 AM helterskelter
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*** He wanted to live a life with Peggy. In that sense, basically every movie ''does'' refute that idea.
2nd Jun '16 9:38:13 AM Discar
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** Or, to put it another way...
--->'''Col. Phillips:''' You do know that's nuts, right?\\
'''Zola:''' The sanity of the plan is of no consequence... because he can ''do it''.
15th May '16 8:43:14 PM nombretomado
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** It's "first Avenger", not "oldest Avenger". Cap was a founding member of the team, since in the MarvelCinematicUniverse he's explicitly unfrozen before then, unlike in the MarvelUniverse. And when they write down that first roster, the only way anyone else could go ahead of him is if they write down the aliases in alphabetic order and count Black Widow first.

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** It's "first Avenger", not "oldest Avenger". Cap was a founding member of the team, since in the MarvelCinematicUniverse Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse he's explicitly unfrozen before then, unlike in the MarvelUniverse. And when they write down that first roster, the only way anyone else could go ahead of him is if they write down the aliases in alphabetic order and count Black Widow first.
9th May '16 8:53:44 AM MrDeath
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* What was RS' actual plan? barring bombing major cities with a big plane (IMO a massive waste of the power he had) it has been shown that tesseract weapons are not invincible so what was the plan?

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* What was RS' actual plan? barring bombing major cities with a big plane (IMO a massive waste of the power he had) it has been shown that tesseract weapons are not invincible so what was the plan?plan?]
** Howard Stark says they don't have anything that compares to Red Skull's weapons. He had a ''major'' technological advantage, which would have won him the war. It's not just "bombing major cities with a big plane," it's, "Wipe out anyone who could resist me using my superior, nearly untouchable technology and take over the world."
8th May '16 8:57:28 PM finalfaw
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[[folder:Build huge ass plane + bomb the world = profits?]]
*What was RS' actual plan? barring bombing major cities with a big plane (IMO a massive waste of the power he had) it has been shown that tesseract weapons are not invincible so what was the plan?
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21st Apr '16 6:34:48 AM Hopperski
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* They built the base in Brooklyn because it uses a lot of electrical power and the Senator would not approve the requisition of generators for the project. So they hook into the city's power grid and "may dim half the lights in Brooklyn". It would probably have been more practical to build the base near the Hoover Dam, with huge amounts of electrical power available at the drop of a hat. Easier for security too, as you can build the base in the middle of the desert. No need for a storefront, [[HumorMode and no chance of spies escaping by using a submarine]].
29th Feb '16 5:34:41 PM NeonFox
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** Also, this is the guy who's gonna fly a plane into an ice sheet an hour later. He's not necessarily thinking of his own survival as Priority One.
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