History Headscratchers / CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger

7th Nov '17 8:21:39 PM Overcooked_Jerv0412
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*What's the poster in the Shout-Out page a reference to? Really scratching my head at that.

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25th Oct '17 10:51:07 AM costanton11
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** Rather silly, really, since it was in Vienna in 1935, and was moved to Nuremburg for the duration of the war. And now it's back in Vienna. See Book/TheSpearofDestiny and Hitler's Holy Relics for details.

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** Rather silly, really, since it was in Vienna in 1935, and was moved to Nuremburg Nuremberg for the duration of the war. And now it's back in Vienna. See Book/TheSpearofDestiny and Hitler's Holy Relics for details.



** Its not truly superhuman. Check out some of those "Strongest Man" competitions on ESPN; you'll see real life musclemen dragging busses and other feats of eye-boggling strength. To be fair, those guys are generally titanic meatslabs of pure muscle, but what Rogers does ''is'' theoretically possible.

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** Its not truly superhuman. Check out some of those "Strongest Man" competitions on ESPN; you'll see real life musclemen dragging busses and other feats of eye-boggling strength. To be fair, those guys are generally titanic meatslabs meat slabs of pure muscle, but what Rogers does ''is'' theoretically possible.



* Before going into the SSI programme, Steve repeatedly tries to enlist in the Army. He's turned down "4F", for medical reasons. In fact, he has pretty much everything on the chart, starting with asthma. However, these seem to be [[InformedAttribute informed attributes]] - we never actually see him, for example, have an asthma attack. You'd think if these problems were serious enough to keep him out of the armed forces, they would be near-constant problems for him.

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* Before going into the SSI programme, program, Steve repeatedly tries to enlist in the Army. He's turned down "4F", for medical reasons. In fact, he has pretty much everything on the chart, starting with asthma. However, these seem to be [[InformedAttribute informed attributes]] - we never actually see him, for example, have an asthma attack. You'd think if these problems were serious enough to keep him out of the armed forces, they would be near-constant problems for him.



** From the looks of the radar map, the Valkyrie was actually flying over the nortern ice cap to reach the United States. As for how fast it got to its destination, chalk it up to a combination of TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot and tesseract-powered engines.

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** From the looks of the radar map, the Valkyrie was actually flying over the nortern northern ice cap to reach the United States. As for how fast it got to its destination, chalk it up to a combination of TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot and tesseract-powered engines.



** Why do the flying bombs have ejector seats but Valkyrie itself doesnt?

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** Why do the flying bombs have ejector seats but Valkyrie itself doesnt?doesn't?



** Which is true seeing as it was warzone and you wouldn't take a non-combatant anywhere near there until you were sure he wouldn't get hit by a stray blast.

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** Which is true seeing as it was warzone war zone and you wouldn't take a non-combatant anywhere near there until you were sure he wouldn't get hit by a stray blast.



** They may have tried to make one out of other materials and found that it just didn't look good. Cap's a pretty important part of raising money for the war effort, so if he doesn't look good, they'd probably sacrifice a few pounds of metal to make sure he did. Sure it's probably one less battleship gunshell, but it's ''one'' less battleship gunshell in exchange for people buying a lot more war bonds, which they can then use to ''buy'' more shells.
** Here's a thought- the shield already existed as a prop for some other theatrical purpose. Metal was rare and lots of it went to the war effort, but I doubt every single prop in the country was sent over. Easily could have been commandeered from some hollywood studio or more likely a stage acting troupe (where the clang of a metal prop sword on a metal prop shield would have had more impact than in films where they could substitute a wooden one)

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** They may have tried to make one out of other materials and found that it just didn't look good. Cap's a pretty important part of raising money for the war effort, so if he doesn't look good, they'd probably sacrifice a few pounds of metal to make sure he did. Sure it's probably one less battleship gunshell, gun shell, but it's ''one'' less battleship gunshell gun shell in exchange for people buying a lot more war bonds, which they can then use to ''buy'' more shells.
** Here's a thought- the shield already existed as a prop for some other theatrical purpose. Metal was rare and lots of it went to the war effort, but I doubt every single prop in the country was sent over. Easily could have been commandeered from some hollywood Hollywood studio or more likely a stage acting troupe (where the clang of a metal prop sword on a metal prop shield would have had more impact than in films where they could substitute a wooden one)



** We don't know whether or not Cap hit the books during the war, but he did have ''some'' downtime in the 21st century before the Avengers started. Considering his mindframe at the time, he probably did a lot of reading.
** Actually in the Boot Camp montage, we see Steve unloading a bunch of books. They could just be novels, but even if they are he's obviously an avid reader. Considering his mindframe (weak of body, strong of mind and heart), I would bet that Steve would've been reading books on tactics that he bummed off Bucky as he went around to recruitment stations. Steve may have figured he'd do best in an officer's role given his physique, though he'd be the type to lead from the front.

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** We don't know whether or not Cap hit the books during the war, but he did have ''some'' downtime in the 21st century before the Avengers started. Considering his mindframe mind frame at the time, he probably did a lot of reading.
** Actually in the Boot Camp montage, we see Steve unloading a bunch of books. They could just be novels, but even if they are he's obviously an avid reader. Considering his mindframe mind frame (weak of body, strong of mind and heart), I would bet that Steve would've been reading books on tactics that he bummed off Bucky as he went around to recruitment stations. Steve may have figured he'd do best in an officer's role given his physique, though he'd be the type to lead from the front.



** And Stark still hadn't figured out how to instal the doohickeys on the Vibranium sheild without comprimising all of it's cool properties. No point of having a Vibranium sheild when the other guy can just shoot the gun ports. The bullets would either ricochet or go through.

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** And Stark still hadn't figured out how to instal the doohickeys on the Vibranium sheild shield without comprimising compromising all of it's cool properties. No point of having a Vibranium sheild shield when the other guy can just shoot the gun ports. The bullets would either ricochet or go through.



** Howard, like his son Tony, is an uber-obsessive inventor, with an insatiable need to build the next big thing...and the thing after that, and the thing after that. The senior Stark's first attempt at crafting the ultimate weapon for the ultimate soldier was an indestructible, perfectly balanced ranged/defensive combat tool like no one had ever seen up to that point, and he still said to himself: "I can do better". Howard was probably hoping to get his hands on some more Vibranium down the line (perhaps not realizing initially quite how rare it was), and was looking to "jazz up" later versions of the shield with mini-guns, blades and such, as other tropers have suggested. By ''Film/IronMan3'', son Tony had built 43 different versions of his strength amplifying armored battlesuit, the third iteration of such able to battle a Thunder God to a standstill, and still wasn't satisfied. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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** Howard, like his son Tony, is an uber-obsessive inventor, with an insatiable need to build the next big thing...and the thing after that, and the thing after that. The senior Stark's first attempt at crafting the ultimate weapon for the ultimate soldier was an indestructible, perfectly balanced ranged/defensive combat tool like no one had ever seen up to that point, and he still said to himself: "I can do better". Howard was probably hoping to get his hands on some more Vibranium down the line (perhaps not realizing initially quite how rare it was), and was looking to "jazz up" later versions of the shield with mini-guns, blades and such, as other tropers have suggested. By ''Film/IronMan3'', son Tony had built 43 different versions of his strength amplifying armored battlesuit, battle suit, the third iteration of such able to battle a Thunder God to a standstill, and still wasn't satisfied. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.



* The Allied Forces. While I was impressed to see British, French, and Scottish (Scots are also British) soldiers, the movie seems to have forgotten that there were also Australian, Canadian, New Zealander, South African, Dutch, and Scandinavian soldiers fighting as well (to name a few). Considering that the Howling Commandos were intended to be more ''multinational'', and that the POW camp was supposedly holding soldiers from ''multiple'' battles, there are a disprorpotionate amount of Americans.
** I can only speak for the Australian and New Zelanders, but you wouldn't have found any of them in North Africa/Italy in 1943. They were all in the Pacific. Someone actually did their research.

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* The Allied Forces. While I was impressed to see British, French, and Scottish (Scots are also British) soldiers, the movie seems to have forgotten that there were also Australian, Canadian, New Zealander, South African, Dutch, and Scandinavian soldiers fighting as well (to name a few). Considering that the Howling Commandos were intended to be more ''multinational'', and that the POW camp was supposedly holding soldiers from ''multiple'' battles, there are a disprorpotionate disproportionate amount of Americans.
** I can only speak for the Australian and New Zelanders, Zealanders, but you wouldn't have found any of them in North Africa/Italy in 1943. They were all in the Pacific. Someone actually did their research.



** Hodge doesn't hesitate to follow orders, even if they're dumb. He blatantly insults Carter, but when she gives him orders, he obeys, even if he still runs his mouth. At the start of the movie, Philips believes that the best soldier for the super soldier program is an obediant one. After all, if you're going to have a super soldier, you're going to want to be able to control him. Erskine, on the other hand, is in the program to bring about peace, so he wants to make sure that the super soldier he creates can live in peace time.

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** Hodge doesn't hesitate to follow orders, even if they're dumb. He blatantly insults Carter, but when she gives him orders, he obeys, even if he still runs his mouth. At the start of the movie, Philips believes that the best soldier for the super soldier program is an obediant obedient one. After all, if you're going to have a super soldier, you're going to want to be able to control him. Erskine, on the other hand, is in the program to bring about peace, so he wants to make sure that the super soldier he creates can live in peace time.



** Marvel universe doesn't only feature real Norse gods but also a set of Olympians. It's possible that both have artifacts worth persueing.

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** Marvel universe doesn't only feature real Norse gods but also a set of Olympians. It's possible that both have artifacts worth persueing.perusing.



** Not to mention that bailing out presents it's own set of problems; the plane is currently heading straight down towards the ground so getting back to the hanger is going to be a challenge in the time span available, he has to find a bomber and open the blast doors, get into the bomber and eject before the plane is too close to the ground for the bomber to be able to maintain enough speed to continue flying, then he has the same problem as before, just with a smaller plane. But assuming he found the one parachute onboard (because considering the Skull's personality, he would expect everyone else to die while he escaped with the cube) and bailed out and landed safely and the Valkyrie did crash without him, he's still stuck in the middle of nowhere with no means of contacting his allies, no food or provisions, inadequate clothing and kilometres from anyone ''period'', let alone who would help him. He realised that he had no other option but to sacrifice himself.

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** Not to mention that bailing out presents it's own set of problems; the plane is currently heading straight down towards the ground so getting back to the hanger is going to be a challenge in the time span available, he has to find a bomber and open the blast doors, get into the bomber and eject before the plane is too close to the ground for the bomber to be able to maintain enough speed to continue flying, then he has the same problem as before, just with a smaller plane. But assuming he found the one parachute onboard (because considering the Skull's personality, he would expect everyone else to die while he escaped with the cube) and bailed out and landed safely and the Valkyrie did crash without him, he's still stuck in the middle of nowhere with no means of contacting his allies, no food or provisions, inadequate clothing and kilometres kilometers from anyone ''period'', let alone who would help him. He realised realized that he had no other option but to sacrifice himself.



** More importantly than whether the person is bad or good, the person should have empathy. Erskine knows that because Steven has lived his life as a weak man, he has empathy for others who are weak, or otherwise treated as less than. If you give a person with empathy power, they will use their power to help the weak and will, by their nature, not abuse it. But if you give that power to a priviledged Nazi asshole like Schmidt, you get a super villain.

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** More importantly than whether the person is bad or good, the person should have empathy. Erskine knows that because Steven has lived his life as a weak man, he has empathy for others who are weak, or otherwise treated as less than. If you give a person with empathy power, they will use their power to help the weak and will, by their nature, not abuse it. But if you give that power to a priviledged privileged Nazi asshole like Schmidt, you get a super villain.



** Not to mention that it would take time for Hitler to realise that his agents haven't reported back in, and he still has a war on two fronts to deal with in the meantime. Even if he decided to strike, Schmidt is the head of an uber-secret group who have manufacturing plants hidden around Europe, is a supersoldier in his own right, and managed to launch a full-scale incursion into another nation and annihilate a town. Hardly the kind of person you'd want to take on with less than half your full armed forces.

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** Not to mention that it would take time for Hitler to realise realize that his agents haven't reported back in, and he still has a war on two fronts to deal with in the meantime. Even if he decided to strike, Schmidt is the head of an uber-secret group who have manufacturing plants hidden around Europe, is a supersoldier super soldier in his own right, and managed to launch a full-scale incursion into another nation and annihilate a town. Hardly the kind of person you'd want to take on with less than half your full armed forces.



** While Schmidt and Hitler had plans to off each other (Schmidt definately and Hitler almost definately), they were both fighting against the Allies as well. They probably both decided to focus on the Allies first, and hope that their enemies softened eahc other up for them.

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** While Schmidt and Hitler had plans to off each other (Schmidt definately definitely and Hitler almost definately), definitely), they were both fighting against the Allies as well. They probably both decided to focus on the Allies first, and hope that their enemies softened eahc each other up for them.



** Cap's not a pilot, he has no clue how to get it to spin in circles, and a plane moving that fast is not going to handle circles very well. Considering that it was the fate of the Eastern seaboard at stake, and trying to keep it flying in circles merely increases the risk of something going wrong '''on the experimental and entirely unknown superscience plane''' the safest bet for all concerned was to crash it down in the one place where if it did explode nobody was around to get hurt.

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** Cap's not a pilot, he has no clue how to get it to spin in circles, and a plane moving that fast is not going to handle circles very well. Considering that it was the fate of the Eastern seaboard at stake, and trying to keep it flying in circles merely increases the risk of something going wrong '''on the experimental and entirely unknown superscience super science plane''' the safest bet for all concerned was to crash it down in the one place where if it did explode nobody was around to get hurt.



** I always assumed that the different layers of Cap's sheild were made with different alloys of vibranium, or possibly metal compounds that include the element. While pure vibranium completely absorbs vibrations, it could react differently to vibrations based on what sort of compound or alloy it's made from. Also the way the atoms are arranged within the sheild may affect how it reacts to, say, impacts (ricocheting vs. stopping bullets dead). Basically, the sheild was ''designed'' to stop bullets and bounce around and act like a boomarang frisbee. Stark probably had a lot of fun messing with it, but was ultimately disappointed because it would take a superhumanly skilled weilder to take advantage of it, and he didn't know that Steve would qualify.

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** I always assumed that the different layers of Cap's sheild shield were made with different alloys of vibranium, or possibly metal compounds that include the element. While pure vibranium completely absorbs vibrations, it could react differently to vibrations based on what sort of compound or alloy it's made from. Also the way the atoms are arranged within the sheild shield may affect how it reacts to, say, impacts (ricocheting vs. stopping bullets dead). Basically, the sheild shield was ''designed'' to stop bullets and bounce around and act like a boomarang boomerang frisbee. Stark probably had a lot of fun messing with it, but was ultimately disappointed because it would take a superhumanly skilled weilder wielder to take advantage of it, and he didn't know that Steve would qualify.



** HYDRA agents managed to infiltrate the uber-secret test facility where Cap was created. Stealing a filmreel from a movie theater is a complete cakewalk.

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** HYDRA agents managed to infiltrate the uber-secret test facility where Cap was created. Stealing a filmreel film reel from a movie theater is a complete cakewalk.



* Why did the SSR mount an assault on the alpine base at the end? They knew the Red Skull was planning on launching a plane of some kind,and bombing/shelling the base would have ruined the runways, trapping the Red Skull there, to be dealt with at their leisure. If the SSR had the military force to take on Hydra in a fortified position on Hydra's terms, they definitely had the military force to keep the Red Skull from escaping.

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* Why did the SSR mount an assault on the alpine base at the end? They knew the Red Skull was planning on launching a plane of some kind,and kind, and bombing/shelling the base would have ruined the runways, trapping the Red Skull there, to be dealt with at their leisure. If the SSR had the military force to take on Hydra in a fortified position on Hydra's terms, they definitely had the military force to keep the Red Skull from escaping.



** The fact that it seemed to only be there to motivate him to have a fluffy moment with Peggy, and/or shock value. He spent one scene afterwards depressed over it, and then, that's it. No 'ItsPersonal' or RoaringRampageOfRevenge. When he sees HYDRA next, he acts like he did previously: Stoicly kick ass without emotion. I don't know, it just seems like his death didn't mean anything to the plot, in other words, turning him into another RedShirt.

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** The fact that it seemed to only be there to motivate him to have a fluffy moment with Peggy, and/or shock value. He spent one scene afterwards depressed over it, and then, that's it. No 'ItsPersonal' or RoaringRampageOfRevenge. When he sees HYDRA next, he acts like he did previously: Stoicly Stoically kick ass without emotion. I don't know, it just seems like his death didn't mean anything to the plot, in other words, turning him into another RedShirt.



** Also, Cap is a consumate professional on the field. He's not going to let his emotions influence his actions.

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** Also, Cap is a consumate consummate professional on the field. He's not going to let his emotions influence his actions.



** Actually, there are separate distinctions because people don't always understand what KIA means. KIA is a more specific term than people realize. It is specifically killed in action. For example, in most militaries you get the DOW (died of wounds) designation if you are shot and die at the base hospital. MIA simply means missing in action. You may be dead, captured, or just missing. MIA benefits are paid to the beneficiaries, and change based on time frames (after 5 years they are basicially the same as death benefits). The exception is when there is enough circumstantial evidence to assume the person is dead even without a body (crewmen who were known to be on the Arizona for example). But as of 2014 there were still over 70,000 persons listed as MIA from [=WW2=]. Their surviving beneficiaries would be receiving MIA benefits that are equivalent to death benefits. Having said that, Steve may have been classified as KIA since the presumption would be no one could survive the crash. But there's also the legal one in civilian courts. After all, it's not reasonable to assume one is going to stay married to someone who is missing forever, esp. if the assumption is that they are dead. So the court can declare someone who is MIA deceased. In most US jurisdictions that is 3-7 years. So even if Steve was declared MIA, he was probably declared dead by a court. Even better, there is one nice bit of retroactiveness. Anyone who is MIA does technically accrue pay and leave, and if they are recovered alive (and assuming the MIA was for legitimate reasons), they collect those ON TOP of any benefits that may have been paid. And if a KIA is actually determined to have been alive (and again assuming no fraud), then their status is retroactively changed to MIA as well. Since the movie has Steve resurrected in 2012, he picked up about 67 years of back pay and leave. Details can be found at http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/Volume_07a.pdf

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** Actually, there are separate distinctions because people don't always understand what KIA means. KIA is a more specific term than people realize. It is specifically killed in action. For example, in most militaries you get the DOW (died of wounds) designation if you are shot and die at the base hospital. MIA simply means missing in action. You may be dead, captured, or just missing. MIA benefits are paid to the beneficiaries, and change based on time frames (after 5 years they are basicially basically the same as death benefits). The exception is when there is enough circumstantial evidence to assume the person is dead even without a body (crewmen who were known to be on the Arizona for example). But as of 2014 there were still over 70,000 persons listed as MIA from [=WW2=]. Their surviving beneficiaries would be receiving MIA benefits that are equivalent to death benefits. Having said that, Steve may have been classified as KIA since the presumption would be no one could survive the crash. But there's also the legal one in civilian courts. After all, it's not reasonable to assume one is going to stay married to someone who is missing forever, esp. if the assumption is that they are dead. So the court can declare someone who is MIA deceased. In most US jurisdictions that is 3-7 years. So even if Steve was declared MIA, he was probably declared dead by a court. Even better, there is one nice bit of retroactiveness. Anyone who is MIA does technically accrue pay and leave, and if they are recovered alive (and assuming the MIA was for legitimate reasons), they collect those ON TOP of any benefits that may have been paid. And if a KIA is actually determined to have been alive (and again assuming no fraud), then their status is retroactively changed to MIA as well. Since the movie has Steve resurrected in 2012, he picked up about 67 years of back pay and leave. Details can be found at http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/Volume_07a.pdf



** Dialogue at Project PEGASUS in the beginning of ''The Avengers'' explicitly states that the Tesseract has been inert since it was fished out of the ocean. Dr. Selvigg was brought in after the events of ''Thor'' to try and get it working again. It didn't start producing energy again until Loki did whatever he did to use it to bring himself to Earth.

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** Dialogue at Project PEGASUS in the beginning of ''The Avengers'' explicitly states that the Tesseract has been inert since it was fished out of the ocean. Dr. Selvigg Selvig was brought in after the events of ''Thor'' to try and get it working again. It didn't start producing energy again until Loki did whatever he did to use it to bring himself to Earth.



** Yeah, that's a great idea, let's give the Nazi war criminal a source of unlimited power and all the materials he needs to make weapons. That's as unlikely to go wrong as locking a supergenius IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!

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** Yeah, that's a great idea, let's give the Nazi war criminal a source of unlimited power and all the materials he needs to make weapons. That's as unlikely to go wrong as locking a supergenius super genius IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!



** And/or just plain stole resources from whoever had them. With an army of fanatically loyal soldiers armed with supertech, it's not like most forces could keep Hydra from just hijacking shipments of minerals and chemicals.

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** And/or just plain stole resources from whoever had them. With an army of fanatically loyal soldiers armed with supertech, super tech, it's not like most forces could keep Hydra from just hijacking shipments of minerals and chemicals.
19th Oct '17 4:31:04 PM Overfiend
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** Howard, like his son Tony, is an uber-obsessive inventor, with an insatiable need to build the next big thing...and the thing after that, and the thing after that. The senior Stark's first attempt at crafting the ultimate weapon for the ultimate soldier was an indestructible, perfectly balanced ranged/defensive combat tool like no other ever seen up to that point, and he still said to himself: "I can do better". Howard was probably hoping to get his hands on some more Vibranium down the line (perhaps not realizing initially quite how rare it was), and was looking to "jazz up" later versions of the shield with mini-guns, blades and such, as other tropers have suggested. By ''film/IronMan3'', Tony Stark had built 43 different versions of his strength amplifying armored battlesuit, the third iteration of such able to battle a Thunder God to a standstill, and still wasn't satisfied. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

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** Howard, like his son Tony, is an uber-obsessive inventor, with an insatiable need to build the next big thing...and the thing after that, and the thing after that. The senior Stark's first attempt at crafting the ultimate weapon for the ultimate soldier was an indestructible, perfectly balanced ranged/defensive combat tool like no other one had ever seen up to that point, and he still said to himself: "I can do better". Howard was probably hoping to get his hands on some more Vibranium down the line (perhaps not realizing initially quite how rare it was), and was looking to "jazz up" later versions of the shield with mini-guns, blades and such, as other tropers have suggested. By ''film/IronMan3'', ''Film/IronMan3'', son Tony Stark had built 43 different versions of his strength amplifying armored battlesuit, the third iteration of such able to battle a Thunder God to a standstill, and still wasn't satisfied. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
19th Oct '17 4:28:24 PM Overfiend
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** Howard, like his son Tony, is an uber-obsessive inventor, with an insatiable need to build the next big thing...and the thing after that, and the thing after that. The senior Stark's first attempt at crafting the ultimate weapon for the ultimate soldier was an indestructible, perfectly balanced ranged/defensive combat tool like no other ever seen up to that point, and he still said to himself: "I can do better". Howard was probably hoping to get his hands on some more Vibranium down the line (perhaps not realizing initially quite how rare it was), and was looking to "jazz up" later versions of the shield with mini-guns, blades and such, as other tropers have suggested. By ''film/IronMan3'', Tony Stark had built 43 different versions of his strength amplifying armored battlesuit, the third iteration of such able to battle a Thunder God to a standstill, and still wasn't satisfied. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
15th Jul '17 8:52:24 PM nombretomado
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** Actually, there are separate distinctions because people don't always understand what KIA means. KIA is a more specific term than people realize. It is specifically killed in action. For example, in most militaries you get the DOW (died of wounds) designation if you are shot and die at the base hospital. MIA simply means missing in action. You may be dead, captured, or just missing. MIA benefits are paid to the beneficiaries, and change based on time frames (after 5 years they are basicially the same as death benefits). The exception is when there is enough circumstantial evidence to assume the person is dead even without a body (crewmen who were known to be on the Arizona for example). But as of 2014 there were still over 70,000 persons listed as MIA from WW2. Their surviving beneficiaries would be receiving MIA benefits that are equivalent to death benefits. Having said that, Steve may have been classified as KIA since the presumption would be no one could survive the crash. But there's also the legal one in civilian courts. After all, it's not reasonable to assume one is going to stay married to someone who is missing forever, esp. if the assumption is that they are dead. So the court can declare someone who is MIA deceased. In most US jurisdictions that is 3-7 years. So even if Steve was declared MIA, he was probably declared dead by a court. Even better, there is one nice bit of retroactiveness. Anyone who is MIA does technically accrue pay and leave, and if they are recovered alive (and assuming the MIA was for legitimate reasons), they collect those ON TOP of any benefits that may have been paid. And if a KIA is actually determined to have been alive (and again assuming no fraud), then their status is retroactively changed to MIA as well. Since the movie has Steve resurrected in 2012, he picked up about 67 years of back pay and leave. Details can be found at http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/Volume_07a.pdf

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** Actually, there are separate distinctions because people don't always understand what KIA means. KIA is a more specific term than people realize. It is specifically killed in action. For example, in most militaries you get the DOW (died of wounds) designation if you are shot and die at the base hospital. MIA simply means missing in action. You may be dead, captured, or just missing. MIA benefits are paid to the beneficiaries, and change based on time frames (after 5 years they are basicially the same as death benefits). The exception is when there is enough circumstantial evidence to assume the person is dead even without a body (crewmen who were known to be on the Arizona for example). But as of 2014 there were still over 70,000 persons listed as MIA from WW2.[=WW2=]. Their surviving beneficiaries would be receiving MIA benefits that are equivalent to death benefits. Having said that, Steve may have been classified as KIA since the presumption would be no one could survive the crash. But there's also the legal one in civilian courts. After all, it's not reasonable to assume one is going to stay married to someone who is missing forever, esp. if the assumption is that they are dead. So the court can declare someone who is MIA deceased. In most US jurisdictions that is 3-7 years. So even if Steve was declared MIA, he was probably declared dead by a court. Even better, there is one nice bit of retroactiveness. Anyone who is MIA does technically accrue pay and leave, and if they are recovered alive (and assuming the MIA was for legitimate reasons), they collect those ON TOP of any benefits that may have been paid. And if a KIA is actually determined to have been alive (and again assuming no fraud), then their status is retroactively changed to MIA as well. Since the movie has Steve resurrected in 2012, he picked up about 67 years of back pay and leave. Details can be found at http://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/Volume_07a.pdf
2nd Jul '17 7:43:53 PM Adeon
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*** True, but while he's officially a Captain his unit is only about the size of a single squad so it's not like he needs a ton of formal training and he's probably read enough books to pick up the basics.
4th Nov '16 6:51:42 AM Morgenthaler
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** So that's four times as {{Badass}}, right? Sounds about right.

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** So that's four times as {{Badass}}, badass, right? Sounds about right.
1st Jul '16 11:04:48 AM helterskelter
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*** He wanted to live a life with Peggy. In that sense, basically every movie ''does'' refute that idea.
2nd Jun '16 9:38:13 AM Discar
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** Or, to put it another way...
--->'''Col. Phillips:''' You do know that's nuts, right?\\
'''Zola:''' The sanity of the plan is of no consequence... because he can ''do it''.
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** It's "first Avenger", not "oldest Avenger". Cap was a founding member of the team, since in the MarvelCinematicUniverse he's explicitly unfrozen before then, unlike in the MarvelUniverse. And when they write down that first roster, the only way anyone else could go ahead of him is if they write down the aliases in alphabetic order and count Black Widow first.

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** It's "first Avenger", not "oldest Avenger". Cap was a founding member of the team, since in the MarvelCinematicUniverse Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse he's explicitly unfrozen before then, unlike in the MarvelUniverse. And when they write down that first roster, the only way anyone else could go ahead of him is if they write down the aliases in alphabetic order and count Black Widow first.
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