History Headscratchers / BuffySeason7

10th Jun '17 1:44:14 PM moonypadfootprongs
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**** Buffy didn't want to kill Faith for "humiliating" her. She wanted to kill Faith for stealing her body, violating her AND her boyfriend, and assaulting her mother. That's a little more than "humiliating" in my book, at least. This, after all the myriad of times Faith has tried to kill one of Buffy's loved ones and Buffy's promptly forgiven her for it. Can't really blame the girl for reaching the end of her rope with Faith after all that.
18th Mar '17 11:47:09 AM nombretomado
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** He was NathanFillion. No other explanation is needed to explain his godly super strength, it's a byproduct of being Nathan Fillion.

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** He was NathanFillion.Creator/NathanFillion. No other explanation is needed to explain his godly super strength, it's a byproduct of being Nathan Fillion.
4th Dec '16 3:59:09 PM detghost
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2nd Dec '16 3:33:02 PM Kookiish
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** My own thoughts are somewhere in the middle. Buffy most definitely had a blind spot when it came to Spike, as she did with Angel as well. Spike was a dangerous and unpredictable variable. He was pretty much Buffy's closest ally during the season and had unprecedented access to her that the First could have and I think was planning to exploit. He didn't fully get over the trigger until the end of Lies My Parents Told Me, before that he was still susceptible to it, so I don't think Giles was totally wrong to think he should be eliminated. I think Giles' pragmatism is needed to counter Buffy's naivete. On the other hand, Spike was at that point the strongest fighter in the group after Buffy, seeing as Willow was unwilling to use her power. Robin Wood's entire reason for wanting Spike dead had nothing to do with his liability. It was pure vengeance and while I sympathize with him, he is rightfully angry about his mother's death, trying to kill Spike was selfish and petty. Spike was an important asset to the team, they were fighting against a seemingly unstoppable evil force and killing one of the key members of the resistance for revenge is foolish. Giles undermined Buffy's authority by going behind her back, but at least it was for a legitimate and understandable reason. Robin was a new member of the team who knew nothing about the history of the group and I don't think he fully grasped what it meant that Spike had a soul -- the rest of the Scoobies had already dealt with Angel vs. Angelus. I think Buffy was unreasonable many times during season 7, but threatening to let Spike kill Robin if he tried anything again was not one of them. Like she said, she couldn't let personal vendettas get in the way of the mission. Whether or not Spike should have been killed for the safety of the team because of his trigger is more complicated, although I lean towards yes (as much of a fan of his I am.)
2nd Aug '16 11:37:58 AM ading
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*** Did we watch the same show? I seem to recall just about the entire cast standing up to Buffy's bullshit at some point or another.
1st Aug '16 7:40:49 PM ading
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*** What Anya did '''while she was a demon''' does not really seem relevant to the question of what, if anything, a human must do to deserve death. And I agree that shooting a different innocent girl than you intended to is not in any meaningful way an "accidental murder".
9th Jul '16 6:25:00 PM Anddrix
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*** It's not so much that she's a JerkAss, it's the fact that she acts like she's a full-fledged member of the Scooby Gang when she hasn't earned it. The only reason she has any more of a voice than the rest of the Potentials is because she's sleeping with Willow. She's no more a member of the group than Wood or Andrew, the other two newcomers the season introduces. Andrew is repeatedly told to sit down and shut up, and Buffy outright tells Wood that if he tries something stupid like trying to kill Spike again, she will stand back and let him die. Wood is given more respect than Andrew, but he still never feels like he's a full-fledged member of the group. Like Andrew, he's still a low man on the totem, and the one time he tries to go outside the chain of command, he's beaten half to death by Spike and then browbeat into submission by Buffy, very effectively putting him in his place. Kennedy, however, behaves as though everyone is supposed to respect her as a full member of the group, for no other reason than because she's sleeping with Willow and, unlike Wood, she never gets put in her place for it, as though the writers themselves want us to accept her as an equal part of the group to Buffy, Xander, Spike, etc. without giving us a reason to respect her as such. Even then, if she were a particularly likeable person, that wouldn't be as big a deal, but all we ever see of her is obnoxious bitch. While the most probable cause for this is simply that she was supposed to have a larger role in the show that was cut drastically short by the impending cancellation (many parts of season 7 feel terribly rushed), that doesn't change the fact that a large part of the fanbase hates Kennedy for the fact that it feels like she effectively fucked her way into the Scooby Gang, and then immediately started acting like a bitch to all the pre-established and well-beloved characters while the writers [[CreatorsPet just looked for more ways to shove her down everyone's throat]]. She's like [[BaseBreaker Dawn]] without any of her redeeming qualities, even less justification for why she should be part of the gang, and a more commanding role despite all that.

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*** It's not so much that she's a JerkAss, it's the fact that she acts like she's a full-fledged member of the Scooby Gang when she hasn't earned it. The only reason she has any more of a voice than the rest of the Potentials is because she's sleeping with Willow. She's no more a member of the group than Wood or Andrew, the other two newcomers the season introduces. Andrew is repeatedly told to sit down and shut up, and Buffy outright tells Wood that if he tries something stupid like trying to kill Spike again, she will stand back and let him die. Wood is given more respect than Andrew, but he still never feels like he's a full-fledged member of the group. Like Andrew, he's still a low man on the totem, and the one time he tries to go outside the chain of command, he's beaten half to death by Spike and then browbeat into submission by Buffy, very effectively putting him in his place. Kennedy, however, behaves as though everyone is supposed to respect her as a full member of the group, for no other reason than because she's sleeping with Willow and, unlike Wood, she never gets put in her place for it, as though the writers themselves want us to accept her as an equal part of the group to Buffy, Xander, Spike, etc. without giving us a reason to respect her as such. Even then, if she were a particularly likeable person, that wouldn't be as big a deal, but all we ever see of her is obnoxious bitch. While the most probable cause for this is simply that she was supposed to have a larger role in the show that was cut drastically short by the impending cancellation (many parts of season 7 feel terribly rushed), that doesn't change the fact that a large part of the fanbase hates Kennedy for the fact that it feels like she effectively fucked her way into the Scooby Gang, and then immediately started acting like a bitch to all the pre-established and well-beloved characters while the writers [[CreatorsPet just looked for more ways to shove her down everyone's throat]]. She's like [[BaseBreaker Dawn]] Dawn without any of her redeeming qualities, even less justification for why she should be part of the gang, and a more commanding role despite all that.
6th Jun '16 6:00:31 AM GiggleLoop
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* Quite simple, they used the old foundations (which included the basement) and just built on top of those. So you've got the shiny new school on top and they seal off the remnants of the old building below. Re-siting the entire building would have made it much more expensive.
6th Jun '16 5:46:58 AM GiggleLoop
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** Also, The First's plan was time limited. We can pretty much assume that it was one of the Old Ones booted out of the dimension by an early Slayer and her Watchers of the time (possibly the First Slayer and the Shadow Men). Thus we can assume that The First wanted to come back into existence in this dimension by destroying the power that was keeping it there, i.e. The Slayers/Watchers. Now when Buffy was resurrected by Xander in the S1 finale, this meant that Buffy kept her powers, but was removed from the slayer line. Kendra was called, then Faith and so on. However, when the Scoobies resurrected Buffy with dark magic in the S6 premiere, this royally screwed with the Slayer line. We can only speculate here, but the fact that the First goes after the Potentials/Faith, but doesn't go for Buffy could mean that it wanted to kill her last. The theory is that if the First can kill all of the potentials, Buffy (whose 2nd resurrection had put her to the back of the Slayer line, but without the ability to call anyone after her death) would become 'The Chosen One' again, but also become the last slayer, since she had already activated her replacement (Kendra). Note that Buffy's death in S5 doesn't call another Slayer as proof of this. So basically, The First missed its chance to destroy the Slayer line, which ended up exponentially more powerful by the end, thus it gave up, seeing its chance to re-enter the dimension thwarted.



** This line was added to the motion comics and it really does bear repeating, when Kennedy guesses Willow is upset over Tara's death she says, "You know when I said I was open to a threesome I had something more fun in mind." '''''WHAAAAAAT THEEEEEE F***CK?!?!?!?!?!?!''''' 10 sins. Yes I counted them. 1 for speaking ill of the dead, 1 for doing so of the beloved Tara, 1 because it was to Willow, 1 because Willow is clearly upset, 1 for such a horrid comment, 1 for being the absolute worst time to say it, 1 for such a take that comment at Tara, 1 for the film's ad lib, 1 for ignoring earlier story, and 1 because Kennedy comes across as a total bitch.

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** This line was added to the motion comics and it really does bear repeating, when Kennedy guesses Willow is upset over Tara's death she says, "You know when I said I was open to a threesome I had something more fun in mind." '''''WHAAAAAAT THEEEEEE F***CK?!?!?!?!?!?!''''' F***CK‽''''' 10 sins. Yes I counted them. 1 for speaking ill of the dead, 1 for doing so of the beloved Tara, 1 because it was to Willow, 1 because Willow is clearly upset, 1 for such a horrid comment, 1 for being the absolute worst time to say it, 1 for such a take that comment at Tara, 1 for the film's ad lib, 1 for ignoring earlier story, and 1 because Kennedy comes across as a total bitch.
18th May '16 4:09:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* I was a little taken aback by Buffy's whole if you kill a human your effectively a monster when she was trying to convince Willow to stand down, she seems to forget the whole [[KnightsTemplar Knight of Byzantine]] attack on the RV in Season 5 where she killed like 10 of them who happened to be human, now it was in self defense, but so was Willow killing Warren in a sense that Warren wouldn't have stopped trying to kill them until he was dead or in jail, considering the fact that he killed Tara and with-out Willow's intervention Buffy would've died as well, showing that it doesn't take magic or strength to get the drop on them. That's not taking into account that the Knights of Byzantine who to everyone else but the Scoobies and the viewers would be considered the heroes, trying to kill a person who technically didn't exist up until 4 months before that, in order to pretty much save the universe. As for her whole let the human justice system take care of Warren, Jonathan, and Andrew just seemed like she was holding the ConflictBall right there, they were dealing with demons and magic the whole season, they never had a problem dealing with magically inclined humans before, I mean look at Amy's step-mom, the got turned into a living cheerleader trophy, or the kid who sold Buffy out to Spike to get turned into a vampire, she let him there to die and he did. All those things can be hand-waved in saying that they were eliminating threats to the safety of humanity,y'know their job, but Willow kills a triple murderer/attempted rapist, and magical heroin dealer and people were expecting her to feel Angel level guilt, theres also the fact that Season 7 takes place months after the end of Season 6, who's to say that Willow wasn't damn near catatonic for weeks dealing with what she had done, what she had become, plus the epic levels of grief that got the rampage ball rolling to begin with. And i mean no one wanted to watch Willow staring at the ceiling, reliving the death of Tara, and killing Warren over and over again while crying her eyes out, it would've been more depressing than the show had already become up to that point. I also think she gets a pass on the whole guilt thing anyway considering her first major appearance in Season 7 has her ending up facing an enemy she's powerless against, shes paralyzed and forced to watch a demon "flay" strips of her skin off and then eating it, now it didn't get very far, because again it would just be awful to watch, still very LaserGuidedKarma-ish , confusing in that in-universe its never brought up as such, they never show it giving Willow insight into Warrens last seconds, but still you've just been partially eaten alive, who wants to deal with a you deserved it speech. As to those who say Willow is unrepentant they must have missed the part where she is talking to Giles when she says that she thought he brought her to England to kill her or throw her in a magical prison and throw away the key, so she went with him voluntarily where she was near certain there was a punishment awaiting her, it was only because of Giles' seeing her inherent goodness that she wasn't.

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* I was a little taken aback by Buffy's whole if you kill a human your effectively a monster when she was trying to convince Willow to stand down, she seems to forget the whole [[KnightsTemplar [[KnightTemplar Knight of Byzantine]] attack on the RV in Season 5 where she killed like 10 of them who happened to be human, now it was in self defense, but so was Willow killing Warren in a sense that Warren wouldn't have stopped trying to kill them until he was dead or in jail, considering the fact that he killed Tara and with-out Willow's intervention Buffy would've died as well, showing that it doesn't take magic or strength to get the drop on them. That's not taking into account that the Knights of Byzantine who to everyone else but the Scoobies and the viewers would be considered the heroes, trying to kill a person who technically didn't exist up until 4 months before that, in order to pretty much save the universe. As for her whole let the human justice system take care of Warren, Jonathan, and Andrew just seemed like she was holding the ConflictBall right there, they were dealing with demons and magic the whole season, they never had a problem dealing with magically inclined humans before, I mean look at Amy's step-mom, the got turned into a living cheerleader trophy, or the kid who sold Buffy out to Spike to get turned into a vampire, she let him there to die and he did. All those things can be hand-waved in saying that they were eliminating threats to the safety of humanity,y'know their job, but Willow kills a triple murderer/attempted rapist, and magical heroin dealer and people were expecting her to feel Angel level guilt, theres also the fact that Season 7 takes place months after the end of Season 6, who's to say that Willow wasn't damn near catatonic for weeks dealing with what she had done, what she had become, plus the epic levels of grief that got the rampage ball rolling to begin with. And i mean no one wanted to watch Willow staring at the ceiling, reliving the death of Tara, and killing Warren over and over again while crying her eyes out, it would've been more depressing than the show had already become up to that point. I also think she gets a pass on the whole guilt thing anyway considering her first major appearance in Season 7 has her ending up facing an enemy she's powerless against, shes paralyzed and forced to watch a demon "flay" strips of her skin off and then eating it, now it didn't get very far, because again it would just be awful to watch, still very LaserGuidedKarma-ish , confusing in that in-universe its never brought up as such, they never show it giving Willow insight into Warrens last seconds, but still you've just been partially eaten alive, who wants to deal with a you deserved it speech. As to those who say Willow is unrepentant they must have missed the part where she is talking to Giles when she says that she thought he brought her to England to kill her or throw her in a magical prison and throw away the key, so she went with him voluntarily where she was near certain there was a punishment awaiting her, it was only because of Giles' seeing her inherent goodness that she wasn't.
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