History Headscratchers / Brave

23rd May '17 11:50:03 AM sugaricequeen
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* I am fully able to admit that Merida tends to be on the receiving end of a bit more hatred than is really justified, but one thing I have to question is the words she uses when trying to purchase a spell from the witch: "I want a spell to ''change'' my mum." This didn't really seem like a misstep on her part as much as a case of really bad writing that allowed the witch to fulfill the wish in her own ursine way. Why didn't Merida specify what she wanted, like "I want a spell to change my mum's mind about the marriage" or "I wish my mum would forget all about the marriage" or something? Both of those could've similarly been solved by her turning into a bear, since the spell literally did "change her mind" by making it more wild and feral, thereby making her forget all about the marriage, and it wouldn't have come off so contrived the way Merida said it.
21st May '17 10:53:41 AM gothelittle
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** People who learn how to tell twins (or triplets) apart usually focus less on physical differences (like hair style or clothing color) and more on behavioral quirks. She knows which one is which because she knows the way they move and act. The way they look is almost irrelevant.
18th Dec '16 7:27:24 AM LBHills
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** She's letting her shame and desperation overwhelm her thinking. Her father's the one who simply accepts her for herself. She's worried that she will lose his trust and strain his affection if he learns what she's done... unless she can fix it before he finds out.
18th Dec '16 7:22:03 AM LBHills
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* I am having a lot of trouble understanding why this movie is called ''Brave''. Putting it simply, if Merida went to [[HarryPotter Hogwarts]], she'd be in Slytherin, not Gryffindor (the house of bravery), for the behaviour she exhibits throughout the entire movie (selfishness in her refusal to even compromise with her mother, ambition in following her own dreams with zero regard for the consequences and by extension that she'll hurt a lot of people, using any means to achieve her own ends without thought or concern for others let alone the person she's using a spell on, touches of shrewdness and cunning, carrying grudges towards her mother that nearly lead to [[ThatManIsDead her]] [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody death]], [[NeverMyFault refusal to accept something was her fault]]- all Slytherin traits). I don't recall anyone, Merida or Elinor especially, being particularly cowardly about anything and thus needing to be brave. There was no fear in either deviating from tradition or following it. It wasn't like it was ever said that breaking tradition would bring a curse or anything. The bravery that is shown is against Mor'du, who ultimately isn't all that important because the story is about Merida and Elinor's relationship, not Mor'du. Mor'du is a plot device, not a villain.
** ...She's a young teenager. Who makes poor decisions, but ultimately accepts responsibility and saves her mother's life through the power of character development. Why the hell is everyone here so harsh on her?
** Not to mention, they didn't name the film based on which house Merida would belong to at Hogwarts, so typing up a big, long analysis saying she should've been sorted into X instead of Y because of W such and such reasons is more than a little redundant. And Merida ''was'' very brave in working so hard both to change her fate and to try and fix it when things went wrong - things like striking a deal with a witch, offering herself willingly to any of the three potential suitors, or riding out into the forest at night to take a stand against her father's men...And before you say that a lot of these were due to her own actions, it takes a lot of courage to own up to your mistakes and take responsibility for doing what it takes to correct them.
** And Mor'du actually ''killed'' people. She's just a bit mean sometimes.

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* I am having a lot of trouble understanding why this movie is called ''Brave''. Putting it simply, if Merida went to [[HarryPotter Hogwarts]], she'd be in Slytherin, not Gryffindor (the house of bravery), for the behaviour she exhibits throughout the entire movie (selfishness in her refusal to even compromise with her mother, ambition in following her own dreams with zero regard for the consequences and by extension that she'll hurt a lot of people, using any means to achieve her own ends without thought or concern for others let alone the person she's using a spell on, touches of shrewdness and cunning, carrying grudges towards her mother that nearly lead to [[ThatManIsDead her]] [[TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody death]], [[NeverMyFault refusal to accept something was her fault]]- all Slytherin traits). I don't recall anyone, Merida or Elinor especially, being particularly cowardly about anything and thus needing to be brave. There was no fear in either deviating from tradition or following it. It wasn't like it was ever said that breaking tradition would bring a curse or anything. The bravery that is shown is against Mor'du, who ultimately isn't all that important because the story is about Merida and Elinor's relationship, not Mor'du. Mor'du is a plot device, not a villain.
Mor'du.
** ...She's a young teenager. Who makes poor decisions, but ultimately accepts responsibility and saves her mother's life through the power of character development. Why the hell is everyone here so harsh on her?
development.
** Not to mention, they didn't name the film based on which house Merida would belong to at Hogwarts, so typing up a big, long analysis saying she should've been sorted into X instead of Y because of W such and such reasons is more than a little redundant. And Merida ''was'' very brave in working so hard both to change her fate and to try and fix it when things went wrong - things like striking a deal with a witch, offering herself willingly to any of the three potential suitors, or riding out into the forest at night to take a stand against her father's men...men... And before you say that a lot of these were due to her own actions, it takes a lot of courage to own up to your mistakes and take responsibility for doing what it takes to correct them.
** And Mor'du actually ''killed'' people. She's just a bit mean sometimes.
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5th Dec '16 10:07:43 PM Binditheskunk
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** Well it would have been a viable complaint if she did put that as the standard...since she could have said "well if he can not beat me in archery how can he hope to protect me and our future children ?"
26th Nov '16 9:38:55 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* How is Merida able to tell her brothers apart so easily? I can understand it a bit better while they were humans, but she's known they've become completely identical-looking bear cubs for what amounts to five minutes, yet she's able to refer to each of them by name, while riding on horseback, in the dead of night, trying to mend a tapestry, while tracking her father and his men.
12th Oct '16 8:15:41 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** It seemed to me that she intended to throw it into the fire, but it was only in the heat and anger of the moment seeing as she came to regret it as soon as Merida had left. But she wouldn't have marched over to the fireplace with it unless she intended, however impulsively, to throw it in in the first place.
12th Oct '16 8:08:44 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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*** The theory goes that Boo used the black magic she became involved with to ''try'' to travel into the future (which is also where ''Monsters Inc.'' is set, according to the theory), but instead wound up in the time that ''Brave'' was set. Which is even more illogical considering the only spell she seems to know in ''Brave'' is one that turns people into bears.
12th Oct '16 8:06:13 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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* Why couldn't Merida have tried pulling Fergus aside and telling him in private about what she'd done to Elinor? Elinor didn't start to go wild until the afternoon of her second day as a bear, so there was plenty of time for Merida to explain the situation to him before showing him proof of her sapience.
1st Oct '16 9:30:28 AM Kassiopeia
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** Well, neither Merida nor Mor'du specifically asked for a ''bear'' spell. Merida just wanted to "change her mother"['s mind about the marriage], and Mor'du asked for "the strength of ten men." It stands to reason that someone could still come seeking a spell from the witch, without a break in their family being the cause of that neediness.
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