History Headscratchers / BoardwalkEmpire

5th Nov '16 12:15:44 PM dmcreif
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* So in the season 3 finale Eli and Nucky show up armed at Rosetti HQ, seemingly alone [[spoiler:(Chalky and Capone are elsewhere)]]... what were they bloody thinking, two intelligent guys -but not exactly elite killers- come up with that half-assed plan? One guy with a small revolver and the other with a shotgun... [[spoiler: If Richard doesn't happen to clean the house, Terminator style on his own iniciative and by coincidence]], the Thompsons are facing about a dozen of professional muscle and Rosetti himself, who is not slouch either, [[spoiler: even if they are baffled by the retreat of Masseria's men]]. The odds are terrible.

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* So in the season 3 finale Eli and Nucky show up armed at Rosetti HQ, Rosetti's headquarters, seemingly alone [[spoiler:(Chalky and Capone are elsewhere)]]... what were they bloody thinking, two intelligent guys -but not exactly elite killers- come up with that half-assed plan? One guy with a small revolver and the other with a shotgun... [[spoiler: If Richard doesn't didn't happen to clean the house, Terminator style house on his own iniciative initiative and by coincidence]], the Thompsons are would be facing about a dozen of professional muscle and Rosetti himself, who is not a slouch either, [[spoiler: even if they are baffled by the retreat of Masseria's men]].men. The odds are terrible.



** It could be conversation of detail. Presumably, the Thompsons brothers brought some men to the Artemis Club, were fairly confused by the lack of surprise, sent a couple of redshirts to investigate and when they came back and told them what was inside, decided to go in by themselves.

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** It could be conversation conservation of detail. Presumably, the Thompsons brothers brought some men to the Artemis Club, were fairly confused by the lack of surprise, sent a couple of redshirts to investigate and when they came back and told them what was inside, decided to go in by themselves.



So, Gillian says she is selling the Commodore's house, which she describes as "hers", to provide for Tommy. The house was inherited by Jimmy after destroying the document willing it to the maid, and since Jimmy didn't make a will it passed down to Tommy (or so was his intention in the episode he was killed in). So, how come does Gillian own and live in that house, which should be owned by Tommy, but is not Tommy's guardian right now? Shouldn't the two "items" go together?

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So, *So, Gillian says she is selling the Commodore's house, which she describes as "hers", to provide for Tommy. The house was inherited by Jimmy after destroying the document willing it to the maid, and since Jimmy didn't make a will it passed down to Tommy (or so was his intention in the episode he was killed in). So, how come does Gillian own and live in that house, which should be owned by Tommy, but is not Tommy's guardian right now? Shouldn't the two "items" go together?
5th Nov '16 12:13:31 PM dmcreif
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!Thompsons in the Artemis Club
So in the season 3 finale Eli and Nucky show up armed at Rosetti HQ, seemingly alone [[spoiler:(Chalky and Capone are elsewhere)]]... what were they bloody thinking, two intelligent guys -but not exactly elite killers- come up with that half-assed plan? One guy with a small revolver and the other with a shotgun... [[spoiler: If Richard doesn't happen to clean the house, Terminator style on his own iniciative and by coincidence]], the Thompsons are facing about a dozen of professional muscle and Rosetti himself, who is not slouch either, [[spoiler: even if they are baffled by the retreat of Masseria's men]]. The odds are terrible.
* This one only makes sense as an error in the transition between script and direction (another one in the same episode is the discrepancy in the number of Gyp's men). Maybe we are supposed to assume that they brought more men but left them all in the ground floor when they found all the bodies, with only Nucky and Eli going upstairs.
* It could be conversation of detail. Presumably, the Thompsons brothers brought some men to the Artemis Club, were fairly confused by the lack of surprise, sent a couple of redshirts to investigate and when they came back and told them what was inside, decided to go in by themselves.

!Why does Nucky feel the need to kill Joe Masseria?
He's having enough trouble at the beginning of the season with Gyp Rosetti, who doesn't have an army. Why he decides to risk the ire of the most powerful boss in New York if his hit fails (which it did and he does) to deal with the comparative nuisance that is Gyp Rosetti is beyond mind-boggling. Why not just try to form an alliance (the way he does this is odd in and of itself considering he had to have known the odds of getting all those that he called to help him, most of whom he has no regular interaction with, was a long shot) and take Gyp head on?
* Because killing a boss would be the quickest way to end a war or make sure one never started. It's a GameChanger, and the only viable option for Nucky who is at a big disadvantage taking on Masseria's army. The death of the boss would have caused the remaining factions within the Masseria family to sit down and choose a new boss. Meaning, the Masseria soldiers who were sent to Gyp would have gone back to Manhattan with their respective crews, and Rossetti would have been left on his own with whatever was left of his crew. Also, Nucky's plan is a nod to what happened to Joe Masseria in real life. Masseria was killed by his own men to end the Castelemare War in 1931. Furthermore, Luciano and company had another boss Salvatore Maranzano killed to prevent a new war from breaking out between the Americanized Mafia and the traditional Mafia groups. Also, your timeline is off, as the decision to assassinate Masseria came after Gyp's re-occupation of Tabor Heights and the bomb attack on Babbette's. There is no ire to risk, as Joe Masseria and his troops were backing Gyp's takeover of Atlantic City and have been since Easter Sunday. Nucky's decision to have Masseria killed is not mind boggling, but the correct move in order to break up the Masseria-Rossetti alliance. Additionally the bootlegger's alliance would be a backup plan in case the Masseria hit failed, as well as a deterrent for future groups wanting to muscle in on a territory. I might add there was nothing particularly odd about how Nucky formed the alliance either. He called together the successful bootlegging operations, precisely the guys who would be interested in an alliance. The lack of regular interaction would have applied only to Peg Leg Lonergan and Bill Lovett. The rest of the bootleggers called to that meeting were guys he had worked with before. It was Rothstein's meddling that ensured the alliance proposal failed. By the way, this alliance Nucky proposed is practically the same one that is formed in Atlantic City during the infamous Bootlegger's Conference of 1929. That conference laid the groundwork for a national alliance of organized crime groups made up of Italian, Jewish, and Irish crews. It was the birth of what we know as TheSyndicate.

!Gillian and the house

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!Thompsons [[foldercontrol]]

[[folder:Thompsons
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So
Club]]
*So
in the season 3 finale Eli and Nucky show up armed at Rosetti HQ, seemingly alone [[spoiler:(Chalky and Capone are elsewhere)]]... what were they bloody thinking, two intelligent guys -but not exactly elite killers- come up with that half-assed plan? One guy with a small revolver and the other with a shotgun... [[spoiler: If Richard doesn't happen to clean the house, Terminator style on his own iniciative and by coincidence]], the Thompsons are facing about a dozen of professional muscle and Rosetti himself, who is not slouch either, [[spoiler: even if they are baffled by the retreat of Masseria's men]]. The odds are terrible.
* This **This one only makes sense as an error in the transition between script and direction (another one in the same episode is the discrepancy in the number of Gyp's men). Maybe we are supposed to assume that they brought more men but left them all in the ground floor when they found all the bodies, with only Nucky and Eli going upstairs.
* It **It could be conversation of detail. Presumably, the Thompsons brothers brought some men to the Artemis Club, were fairly confused by the lack of surprise, sent a couple of redshirts to investigate and when they came back and told them what was inside, decided to go in by themselves.

!Why
themselves.
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[[folder:Why
does Nucky feel the need to kill Joe Masseria?
He's
Masseria?]]
*He's
having enough trouble at the beginning of the season with Gyp Rosetti, who doesn't have an army. Why he decides to risk the ire of the most powerful boss in New York if his hit fails (which it did and he does) to deal with the comparative nuisance that is Gyp Rosetti is beyond mind-boggling. Why not just try to form an alliance (the way he does this is odd in and of itself considering he had to have known the odds of getting all those that he called to help him, most of whom he has no regular interaction with, was a long shot) and take Gyp head on?
* Because **Because killing a boss would be the quickest way to end a war or make sure one never started. It's a GameChanger, and the only viable option for Nucky who is at a big disadvantage taking on Masseria's army. The death of the boss would have caused the remaining factions within the Masseria family to sit down and choose a new boss. Meaning, the Masseria soldiers who were sent to Gyp would have gone back to Manhattan with their respective crews, and Rossetti would have been left on his own with whatever was left of his crew. Also,
**Also,
Nucky's plan is a nod to what happened to Joe Masseria in real life. life and would happen in season 5: Masseria was killed by his own men to end the Castelemare War in 1931. Furthermore, Luciano and company had another boss Salvatore Maranzano killed to prevent a new war from breaking out between the Americanized Mafia and the traditional Mafia groups. Also, your timeline is off, as the
**The
decision to assassinate Masseria came after Gyp's re-occupation reoccupation of Tabor Heights and the bomb attack bombing on Babbette's. There is no ire to risk, as Joe Masseria and his troops were backing Gyp's takeover of Atlantic City and have been since Easter Sunday. Nucky's decision to have Masseria killed is not mind boggling, but the correct move in order to break up the Masseria-Rossetti alliance. Additionally
**Additionally
the bootlegger's alliance would be a backup plan in case the Masseria hit failed, as well as a deterrent for future groups wanting to muscle in on a territory. I territory.
**I
might add there was nothing particularly odd about how Nucky formed the alliance either. He called together the successful bootlegging operations, precisely the guys who would be interested in an alliance. The lack of regular interaction would have applied only to Peg Leg Lonergan and Bill Lovett. The rest of the bootleggers called to that meeting were guys he had worked with before. It was Rothstein's meddling that ensured the alliance proposal failed. By the way, this alliance Nucky proposed is practically the same one that is formed in Atlantic City during the infamous Bootlegger's Conference of 1929. That conference laid the groundwork for a national alliance of organized crime groups made up of Italian, Jewish, and Irish crews. It was the birth of what we know as TheSyndicate.

!Gillian
TheSyndicate.
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[[folder:Gillian
and the househouse]]



* Considering Tommy is still just a kid, it would probably be very easy for Gillian to hold the house in "stewardship" until he comes of age.

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* Considering **Considering Tommy is still just a kid, it would probably be very easy for Gillian to hold the house in "stewardship" until he comes of age.



* Later episodes explain this. She is currently in a legal battle over custody of Tommy.

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* Later **Later episodes explain this. She is currently in a legal battle over custody of Tommy.Tommy.
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18th Oct '13 2:12:18 PM spoonofevil
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* Later episodes explain this. She is currently in a legal battle over custody of Tommy.
23rd Sep '13 11:49:21 AM spoonofevil
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** Plus he's most likely in hiding now after Harrow rescued him.
19th Sep '13 5:06:55 PM spoonofevil
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* Considering Tommy is still just a kid, it would probably be very easy for Gillian to hold the house in "stewardship" until he comes of age.
17th Sep '13 7:10:20 PM Caunion
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* It could be conversation of detail. Presumably, the Thompsons brothers brought some men to the Artemis Club, were fairly confused by the lack of surprise, sent a couple of redshirts to investigate and when they came back and told them what was inside, decided to go in by themselves.
11th Sep '13 3:18:10 AM Naram-Sin
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* So in the season 3 finale Eli and Nucky show up armed at Rosetti HQ, seemingly alone [[spoiler:(Chalky and Capone are elsewhere)]]... what were they bloody thinking, two intelligent guys -but not exactly elite killers- come up with that half-assed plan? One guy with a small revolver and the other with a shotgun... [[spoiler: If Richard doesn't happen to clean the house, Terminator style on his own iniciative and by coincidence]], the Thompsons are facing about a dozen of professional muscle and Rosetti himself, who is not slouch either, [[spoiler: even if they are baffled by the retreat of Masseria's men]]. The odds are terrible.

* Why does Nucky feel the need to kill Joe Masseria. He's having enough trouble at the beginning of the season with Gyp Rosetti, who doesn't have an army. Why he decides to risk the ire of the most powerful boss in New York if his hit fails (which it did and he does) to deal with the comparative nuisance that is Gyp Rosetti is beyond mind-boggling. Why not just try to form an alliance (the way he does this is odd in and of itself considering he had to have known the odds of getting all those that he called to help him, most of whom he has no regular interaction with, was a long shot) and take Gyp head on?
** Because killing a boss would be the quickest way to end a war or make sure one never started. It's a GameChanger, and the only viable option for Nucky who is at a big disadvantage taking on Masseria's army. The death of the boss would have caused the remaining factions within the Masseria family to sit down and choose a new boss. Meaning, the Masseria soldiers who were sent to Gyp would have gone back to Manhattan with their respective crews, and Rossetti would have been left on his own with whatever was left of his crew. Also, Nucky's plan is a nod to what happened to Joe Masseria in real life. Masseria was killed by his own men to end the Castelemare War in 1931. Furthermore, Luciano and company had another boss Salvatore Maranzano killed to prevent a new war from breaking out between the Americanized Mafia and the traditional Mafia groups Also, your timeline is off, as the decision to assassinate Masseria came after Gyp's re-occupation of Tabor Heights and the bomb attack on Babbette's. There is no ire to risk, as Joe Masseria and his troops were backing Gyp's takeover of Atlantic City and have been since Easter Sunday. Nucky's decision to have Masseria killed is not mind boggling, but the correct move in order to break up the Masseria-Rossetti alliance. Additionally the bootlegger's alliance would be a backup plan in case the Masseria hit failed, as well as a deterrent for future groups wanting to muscle in on a territory. I might add there was nothing particularly odd about how Nucky formed the alliance either. He called together the successful bootlegging operations, precisely the guys who would be interested in an alliance. The lack of regular interaction would have applied only to Peg Leg Lonergan and Bill Lovett. The rest of the bootleggers called to that meeting were guys he had worked with before. It was Rothstein's meddling that ensured the alliance proposal failed. By the way, this alliance Nucky proposed is practically the same one that is formed in Atlantic City during the infamous Bootlegger's Conference of 1929. That conference laid the groundwork for a national alliance of organized crime groups made up of Italian, Jewish, and Irish crews. It was the birth of what we know as TheSyndicate.

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* !Thompsons in the Artemis Club
So in the season 3 finale Eli and Nucky show up armed at Rosetti HQ, seemingly alone [[spoiler:(Chalky and Capone are elsewhere)]]... what were they bloody thinking, two intelligent guys -but not exactly elite killers- come up with that half-assed plan? One guy with a small revolver and the other with a shotgun... [[spoiler: If Richard doesn't happen to clean the house, Terminator style on his own iniciative and by coincidence]], the Thompsons are facing about a dozen of professional muscle and Rosetti himself, who is not slouch either, [[spoiler: even if they are baffled by the retreat of Masseria's men]]. The odds are terrible.

terrible.
* Why This one only makes sense as an error in the transition between script and direction (another one in the same episode is the discrepancy in the number of Gyp's men). Maybe we are supposed to assume that they brought more men but left them all in the ground floor when they found all the bodies, with only Nucky and Eli going upstairs.

!Why
does Nucky feel the need to kill Joe Masseria. Masseria?
He's having enough trouble at the beginning of the season with Gyp Rosetti, who doesn't have an army. Why he decides to risk the ire of the most powerful boss in New York if his hit fails (which it did and he does) to deal with the comparative nuisance that is Gyp Rosetti is beyond mind-boggling. Why not just try to form an alliance (the way he does this is odd in and of itself considering he had to have known the odds of getting all those that he called to help him, most of whom he has no regular interaction with, was a long shot) and take Gyp head on?
** * Because killing a boss would be the quickest way to end a war or make sure one never started. It's a GameChanger, and the only viable option for Nucky who is at a big disadvantage taking on Masseria's army. The death of the boss would have caused the remaining factions within the Masseria family to sit down and choose a new boss. Meaning, the Masseria soldiers who were sent to Gyp would have gone back to Manhattan with their respective crews, and Rossetti would have been left on his own with whatever was left of his crew. Also, Nucky's plan is a nod to what happened to Joe Masseria in real life. Masseria was killed by his own men to end the Castelemare War in 1931. Furthermore, Luciano and company had another boss Salvatore Maranzano killed to prevent a new war from breaking out between the Americanized Mafia and the traditional Mafia groups groups. Also, your timeline is off, as the decision to assassinate Masseria came after Gyp's re-occupation of Tabor Heights and the bomb attack on Babbette's. There is no ire to risk, as Joe Masseria and his troops were backing Gyp's takeover of Atlantic City and have been since Easter Sunday. Nucky's decision to have Masseria killed is not mind boggling, but the correct move in order to break up the Masseria-Rossetti alliance. Additionally the bootlegger's alliance would be a backup plan in case the Masseria hit failed, as well as a deterrent for future groups wanting to muscle in on a territory. I might add there was nothing particularly odd about how Nucky formed the alliance either. He called together the successful bootlegging operations, precisely the guys who would be interested in an alliance. The lack of regular interaction would have applied only to Peg Leg Lonergan and Bill Lovett. The rest of the bootleggers called to that meeting were guys he had worked with before. It was Rothstein's meddling that ensured the alliance proposal failed. By the way, this alliance Nucky proposed is practically the same one that is formed in Atlantic City during the infamous Bootlegger's Conference of 1929. That conference laid the groundwork for a national alliance of organized crime groups made up of Italian, Jewish, and Irish crews. It was the birth of what we know as TheSyndicate.
TheSyndicate.

!Gillian and the house
So, Gillian says she is selling the Commodore's house, which she describes as "hers", to provide for Tommy. The house was inherited by Jimmy after destroying the document willing it to the maid, and since Jimmy didn't make a will it passed down to Tommy (or so was his intention in the episode he was killed in). So, how come does Gillian own and live in that house, which should be owned by Tommy, but is not Tommy's guardian right now? Shouldn't the two "items" go together?
26th Aug '13 2:59:09 PM Pedemano2
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** Because killing a boss would be the quickest way to end a war or make sure one never started. It's a GameChanger, and the only viable option for Nucky who is at a big disadvantage taking on Masseria's army. The death of the boss would have caused the remaining factions within the Masseria family to sit down and choose a new boss. Meaning, the Masseria soldiers who were sent to Gyp would have gone back to Manhattan with their respective crews, and Rossetti would have been left on his own with whatever was left of his crew. Also, Nucky's plan is a nod to what happened to Joe Masseria in real life. Masseria was killed by his own men to end the Castelemare War in 1931. Furthermore, Luciano and company had another boss Salvatore Maranzano killed to prevent a new war from breaking out between the Americanized Mafia and the traditional Mafia groups Also, your timeline is off, as the decision to assassinate Masseria came after Gyp's re-occupation of Tabor Heights and the bomb attack on Babbette's. There is no ire to risk, as Joe Masseria and his troops were backing Gyp's takeover of Atlantic City and have been since Easter Sunday. Nucky's decision to have Masseria killed is not mind boggling, but the correct move in order to break up the Masseria-Rossetti alliance. Additionally the bootlegger's alliance would be a backup plan in case the Masseria hit failed, as well as a deterrent for future groups wanting to muscle in on a territory. I might add there was nothing particularly odd about how Nucky formed the alliance either. He called together the successful bootlegging operations, precisely the guys who would be interested in an alliance. The lack of regular interaction would have applied only to Peg Leg Lonergan and Bill Lovett. The rest of the bootleggers called to that meeting were guys he had worked with before. It was Rothstein's meddling that ensured the alliance proposal failed. By the way, this alliance Nucky proposed is practically the same one that is formed in Atlantic City during the infamous Bootlegger's Conference of 1929. That conference laid the groundwork for a national Syndicate of organized crime groups made up of Italian, Jewish, and Irish crews.

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** Because killing a boss would be the quickest way to end a war or make sure one never started. It's a GameChanger, and the only viable option for Nucky who is at a big disadvantage taking on Masseria's army. The death of the boss would have caused the remaining factions within the Masseria family to sit down and choose a new boss. Meaning, the Masseria soldiers who were sent to Gyp would have gone back to Manhattan with their respective crews, and Rossetti would have been left on his own with whatever was left of his crew. Also, Nucky's plan is a nod to what happened to Joe Masseria in real life. Masseria was killed by his own men to end the Castelemare War in 1931. Furthermore, Luciano and company had another boss Salvatore Maranzano killed to prevent a new war from breaking out between the Americanized Mafia and the traditional Mafia groups Also, your timeline is off, as the decision to assassinate Masseria came after Gyp's re-occupation of Tabor Heights and the bomb attack on Babbette's. There is no ire to risk, as Joe Masseria and his troops were backing Gyp's takeover of Atlantic City and have been since Easter Sunday. Nucky's decision to have Masseria killed is not mind boggling, but the correct move in order to break up the Masseria-Rossetti alliance. Additionally the bootlegger's alliance would be a backup plan in case the Masseria hit failed, as well as a deterrent for future groups wanting to muscle in on a territory. I might add there was nothing particularly odd about how Nucky formed the alliance either. He called together the successful bootlegging operations, precisely the guys who would be interested in an alliance. The lack of regular interaction would have applied only to Peg Leg Lonergan and Bill Lovett. The rest of the bootleggers called to that meeting were guys he had worked with before. It was Rothstein's meddling that ensured the alliance proposal failed. By the way, this alliance Nucky proposed is practically the same one that is formed in Atlantic City during the infamous Bootlegger's Conference of 1929. That conference laid the groundwork for a national Syndicate alliance of organized crime groups made up of Italian, Jewish, and Irish crews.
crews. It was the birth of what we know as TheSyndicate.
26th Aug '13 2:55:11 PM Pedemano2
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** Because killing a boss would be the quickest way to end a war or make sure one never started. It's a GameChanger, and the only viable option for Nucky who is at a big disadvantage taking on Masseria's army. The death of the boss would have caused the remaining factions within the Masseria family to sit down and choose a new boss. Meaning, the Masseria soldiers who were sent to Gyp would have gone back to Manhattan with their respective crews, and Rossetti would have been left on his own with whatever was left of his crew. Also, Nucky's plan is a nod to what happened to Joe Masseria in real life. Masseria was killed by his own men to end the Castelemare War in 1931. Furthermore, Luciano and company had another boss Salvatore Maranzano killed to prevent a new war from breaking out between the Americanized Mafia and the traditional Mafia groups Also, your timeline is off, as the decision to assassinate Masseria came after Gyp's re-occupation of Tabor Heights and the bomb attack on Babbette's. There is no ire to risk, as Joe Masseria and his troops were backing Gyp's takeover of Atlantic City and have been since Easter Sunday. Nucky's decision to have Masseria killed is not mind boggling, but the correct move in order to break up the Masseria-Rossetti alliance. Additionally the bootlegger's alliance would be a backup plan in case the Masseria hit failed, as well as a deterrent for future groups wanting to muscle in on a territory. I might add there was nothing particularly odd about how Nucky formed the alliance either. He called together the successful bootlegging operations, precisely the guys who would be interested in an alliance. The lack of regular interaction would have applied only to Peg Leg Lonergan and Bill Lovett. The rest of the bootleggers called to that meeting were guys he had worked with before. It was Rothstein's meddling that ensured the alliance proposal failed. By the way, this alliance Nucky proposed is practically the same one that is formed in Atlantic City during the infamous Bootlegger's Conference of 1929. That conference laid the groundwork for a national Syndicate of organized crime groups made up of Italian, Jewish, and Irish crews.
18th Feb '13 3:43:27 PM AviatorFan
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* Why does Nucky feel the need to kill Joe Masseria. He's having enough trouble at the beginning of the season with Gyp Rosetti, who doesn't have an army. Why he decides to risk the ire of the most powerful boss in New York if his hit fails (which it did and he does) to deal with the comparative nuisance that is Gyp Rosetti is beyond mind-boggling. Why not just try to form an alliance (the way he does this is odd in and of itself considering he had to have known the odds of getting all those that he called to help him, most of whom he has no regular interaction with, was a long shot) and take Gyp head on?
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