History Headscratchers / BlackButler

30th Apr '16 1:29:21 PM M4r4
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** Actually, Sieglinde [[spoiler: ''did'' accept his offer to kill her and it could be argued that Ciel ''would'' have simply pulled the trigger had Victoria not order him to bring Sieglinde to her. However, my guess is that had that happened the manner of death might had been ruled as a homicide despite her being willing to die, so Sieglinde probably would not have become a shinigami then.]]

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** Actually, Sieglinde [[spoiler: ''did'' accept his offer to kill her and it could be argued that Ciel ''would'' have simply pulled the trigger had Victoria not order ordered him to bring Sieglinde to her. However, my guess is that had that happened the manner of death might had been ruled as a homicide despite her being willing to die, die (given that Ciel was the one to make the offer, thus his intention to kill her would have overruled her enlisting him 'assistance'), so Sieglinde probably would not have become a shinigami then.]]
30th Apr '16 1:16:39 PM M4r4
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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.

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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.


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** Actually, Sieglinde [[spoiler: ''did'' accept his offer to kill her and it could be argued that Ciel ''would'' have simply pulled the trigger had Victoria not order him to bring Sieglinde to her. However, my guess is that had that happened the manner of death might had been ruled as a homicide despite her being willing to die, so Sieglinde probably would not have become a shinigami then.]]
20th Apr '16 7:14:27 AM Ayal92
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* If Sieglinde had accepted Ciel's offer of a [[spoiler: MercyKill]], would she had [[spoiler: become a shinigami?]]
9th Apr '16 9:32:04 AM M4r4
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** As it turns out, there was never any real confirmation found on this and this idea supposedly doesn't even exist in the Japanese fandom. So unless something legitimate actually pops up it's probably safe to view this as merely a rumor (albeit a pretty convincing one, given all the HoYay).



** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.

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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.
8th Apr '16 7:27:19 PM M4r4
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8th Apr '16 7:04:41 PM M4r4
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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.
24th Feb '16 12:12:35 AM DarkInsanity13
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* Are...Are we not going to talk about how in the manga [[spoiler: the P4 are now essentially a Japanese boy band a la UtaNoPrincesama]]? That certainly seems to be the visual Yana Toboso is going for and it's completely broken my WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief.
19th Dec '15 11:07:46 AM ichigoare
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* If I recall correctly, in the manga chapter in which Ciel and Sebastian spot the German shinigami Sascha and Ludger, they mention that it's unusual for humans to be able to see shinigami. However, Madame Red was able to see Grell just fine during the Ripper arc, and during the Campagnia arc, all the various human characters we see clearly had no issue seeing any of them. (For instance, Lizzie saw Grell with Sebastian and asked who Grell was; Aleister Chambers could obviously see all three of the shinigami on board, as could Rian Stoker; and Ronald was able to flirt with Mey-Rin and that woman Sophie Smith.) Since when have humans ever been unable to see shinigami? Has that been ret-conned over time? Or, since Ludger said that Ciel was likely able to see them because of his contract or his lineage, am I to assume every other human we've seen so far has similar ties to shinigami somehow?
22nd Jun '15 11:32:30 AM M4r4
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In Chapter 106, [[spoiler: Sullivan forgives Wolfram for deceiving her and accepts him back as her butler. This is a very heartwarming moment...except right beforehand she stops him from apologizing and tells him that ''she was the one who deceived him first'' and claims that her desire to see the outside world was nothing but greed that nearly caused her to lose him. Long story short, although he was under strict orders and would have never done any of this on his own free will, Wolfram still took part in both physical abuse (breaking her feet) and a lifetime of mental manipulation of the poor girl. Along with this, her desire to go out and see the world was a totally justified thing to desire, especially [[ScoobyDooHoax with the truth behind the whole thing.]] I don't know...while this tropette is happy that these two were able to mend things, there is still an aura of UnfortunateImplications that lingers around Sullivan's apology.]]

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* In Chapter 106, [[spoiler: Sullivan forgives Wolfram for deceiving her and accepts him back as her butler. This is a very heartwarming moment...except right beforehand she stops him from apologizing and tells him that ''she was the one who deceived him first'' and claims that her desire to see the outside world was nothing but greed that nearly caused her to lose him. Long story short, although he was under strict orders and would have never done any of this on his own free will, Wolfram still took part in both physical abuse (breaking her feet) and a lifetime of mental manipulation of the poor girl. Along with this, her desire to go out and see the world was a totally justified thing to desire, especially [[ScoobyDooHoax with the truth behind the whole thing.]] I don't know...while this tropette is happy that these two were able to mend things, there is still an aura of UnfortunateImplications that lingers around Sullivan's apology.]]
22nd Jun '15 11:27:27 AM M4r4
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In Chapter 106, [[spoiler: Sullivan forgives Wolfram for deceiving her and accepts him back as her butler. This is a very heartwarming moment...except right beforehand she stops him from apologizing and tells him that ''she was the one who deceived him first'' and claims that her desire to see the outside world was nothing but greed that nearly caused her to lose him. Long story short, although he was under strict orders and would have never done any of this on his own free will, Wolfram still took part in both physical abuse (breaking her feet) and a lifetime of mental manipulation of the poor girl. Along with this, her desire to go out and see the world was a totally justified thing to desire, especially [[ScoobyDooHoax with the truth behind the whole thing.]] I don't know...while this tropette is happy that these two were able to mend things, there is still an aura of UnfortunateImplications that lingers around Sullivan's apology.]]
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