History Headscratchers / BlackButler

18th Jul '16 11:08:01 AM M4r4
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* In Chapter 106, [[spoiler: Sullivan forgives Wolfram for deceiving her and accepts him back as her butler. This is a very heartwarming moment...except right beforehand she stops him from apologizing and tells him that ''she was the one who deceived him first'' and claims that her desire to see the outside world was nothing but greed that nearly caused her to lose him. Long story short, although he was under strict orders and would have never done any of this on his own free will, Wolfram still took part in both physical abuse (breaking her feet) and a lifetime of mental manipulation of the poor girl. Along with this, her desire to go out and see the world was a totally justified thing to desire, especially [[ScoobyDooHoax with the truth behind the whole thing.]] I don't know...while this tropette is happy that these two were able to mend things, there is still an aura of UnfortunateImplications that lingers around Sullivan's apology.]]

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* Pertaining to the German duo. In Chapter 106, [[spoiler: Sullivan forgives Wolfram for deceiving her and accepts him back as her butler. This is a very heartwarming moment...except right beforehand she stops him from apologizing and tells him that ''she was the one who deceived him first'' and claims that her desire to see the outside world was nothing but greed that nearly caused her to lose him. Long story short, although he was under strict orders and would have never done any of this on his own free will, Wolfram still took part in both physical abuse (breaking her feet) and a lifetime of mental manipulation of the poor girl. Along with this, her desire to go out and see the world was a totally justified thing to desire, especially [[ScoobyDooHoax with the truth behind the whole thing.]] I don't know...while this tropette is happy that these two were able to mend things, there is still an aura of UnfortunateImplications that lingers around Sullivan's apology.]]



** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters... and unlike the yaoi rumor this actually has credence). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.

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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody that can go in numerous genre directions (just look at the first chapters... and unlike the yaoi rumor this actually has credence). While some of that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle overt and overt. subtle. With that said, said...yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even group, Sebastian having an idol moment]] moment at one moment, and now the overall direction the Blue Sect arc is taking]] is undoubtedly jarring for the Victorian setting and, while hilarious to some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.
13th Jun '16 1:18:16 PM M4r4
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** As it turns out, there was never any real confirmation found on this and this idea supposedly doesn't even exist in the Japanese fandom. So unless something legitimate actually pops up it's probably safe to view this as merely a rumor (albeit a pretty convincing one, given all the HoYay).

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** As it turns out, there was never any real confirmation found on this and this idea supposedly doesn't even exist in the Japanese fandom. So unless something legitimate actually pops up it's probably safe to view this as merely a rumor (albeit a pretty convincing one, given all the HoYay).HoYay and Toboso's past works).



** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.

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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters).chapters... and unlike the yaoi rumor this actually has credence). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.
6th Jun '16 9:38:45 AM AxelFive
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** I believe this is a case where translation is not a one to one ratio. Sensei is a title for a teacher (or a doctor), and while Japanese may have a specific title for Professor, in English, 'Teacher' is not used as a formal title, therefor Professor is the closest translation our language can afford.
6th Jun '16 9:34:13 AM AxelFive
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** I don't believe it's so much that he doesn't immediately recognise what they are as it is that he doesn't immediately recognize their true nature. His comment towards Angela heavily implied that he knew she was some manner of angel, and one could take his sarcastic comment to Grell - Specifically, that he finds it ironic that Grell of all people would mention her life flashing before her eyes - as a hint that he was already on to her, as part of Grell's official job is to read cinematic records - Or, in laymans terms, watch peoples lives flash before their eyes.

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** I don't believe it's so much that he doesn't immediately recognise what they are as it is that he doesn't immediately recognize their true nature. His comment towards Angela heavily implied that he knew she was some manner of angel, and one could take his sarcastic comment to Grell - Specifically, that he finds it ironic that Grell of all people would mention her life flashing before her eyes - as a hint that he was already on to her, as part of Grell's official job is to read cinematic records - Or, in laymans terms, watch peoples lives flash before their eyes. Just because he knows Grell is a Grim Reaper who, for some reason, is posing as a butler doesn't automatically make her Jack the Ripper. Just because Angela is an angel who, for some reason, is posing as a maid doesn't make her an omnicidal nutjob.
6th Jun '16 9:32:01 AM AxelFive
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** I don't believe it's so much that he doesn't immediately recognise what they are as it is that he doesn't immediately recognize their true nature. His comment towards Angela heavily implied that he knew she was some manner of angel, and one could take his sarcastic comment to Grell - Specifically, that he finds it ironic that Grell of all people would mention her life flashing before her eyes - as a hint that he was already on to her, as part of Grell's official job is to read cinematic records - Or, in laymans terms, watch peoples lives flash before their eyes.


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*** Well, yes, but I mean why did they make him British at all, not just in the dub.
30th Apr '16 1:29:21 PM M4r4
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** Actually, Sieglinde [[spoiler: ''did'' accept his offer to kill her and it could be argued that Ciel ''would'' have simply pulled the trigger had Victoria not order him to bring Sieglinde to her. However, my guess is that had that happened the manner of death might had been ruled as a homicide despite her being willing to die, so Sieglinde probably would not have become a shinigami then.]]

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** Actually, Sieglinde [[spoiler: ''did'' accept his offer to kill her and it could be argued that Ciel ''would'' have simply pulled the trigger had Victoria not order ordered him to bring Sieglinde to her. However, my guess is that had that happened the manner of death might had been ruled as a homicide despite her being willing to die, die (given that Ciel was the one to make the offer, thus his intention to kill her would have overruled her enlisting him 'assistance'), so Sieglinde probably would not have become a shinigami then.]]
30th Apr '16 1:16:39 PM M4r4
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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.

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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.


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** Actually, Sieglinde [[spoiler: ''did'' accept his offer to kill her and it could be argued that Ciel ''would'' have simply pulled the trigger had Victoria not order him to bring Sieglinde to her. However, my guess is that had that happened the manner of death might had been ruled as a homicide despite her being willing to die, so Sieglinde probably would not have become a shinigami then.]]
20th Apr '16 7:14:27 AM Ayal92
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* If Sieglinde had accepted Ciel's offer of a [[spoiler: MercyKill]], would she had [[spoiler: become a shinigami?]]
9th Apr '16 9:32:04 AM M4r4
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** As it turns out, there was never any real confirmation found on this and this idea supposedly doesn't even exist in the Japanese fandom. So unless something legitimate actually pops up it's probably safe to view this as merely a rumor (albeit a pretty convincing one, given all the HoYay).



** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.

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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody (just look at the first chapters). While that has certainly changed, the parody spirit certainly lives on and there are plenty of examples both subtle and overt. With that said, yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group and even Sebastian having an idol moment]] is undoubtedly jarring for the setting and, while hilarious to some, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.
8th Apr '16 7:27:19 PM M4r4
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