History Headscratchers / BlackButler

14th Nov '16 4:55:44 AM M4r4
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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody that can go in numerous genre directions (just look at the first chapters... and unlike the yaoi rumor this actually has credence). While some of that has certainly changed, the parody spirit lives on and there are plenty of examples both overt and subtle. With that said...yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group, Sebastian having an idol moment at one moment, and now the overall direction the Blue Sect arc is taking]] is undoubtedly jarring for the Victorian setting and, while hilarious to some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.

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** For this type of stuff, until there is an actual explanation just remember that Black Butler was not only originally supposed to be a shorter story but also more like a parody that can go in numerous genre directions (just look at the first chapters... and unlike the yaoi rumor this actually has credence). While some of that has certainly changed, the parody spirit lives on and there are plenty of examples both overt and subtle. With that said...yes, [[spoiler: the P4/S4 J-pop group, Sebastian having an idol moment at one moment, point, and now the overall direction the Blue Sect arc is taking]] is undoubtedly jarring for the Victorian setting and, while hilarious to some including this tropette, probably made a few sets of eyes roll.



* This is just something that came to this troper's mind. At the end of the Book of Murder when everyone dug Sebastian out of his grave after they saw he was still alive, how was it that they didn't try to question just how he could be alive and fully funtioning after his injuries or even try to get him medical attention? Even if they were all overjoyed at the time... it still is kind of off.

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* This is just something that came to this troper's mind. At the end of the Book of Murder when everyone dug Sebastian out of his grave after they saw he was still alive, how ''in the hell'' was it that they didn't try to question just how he could be alive and fully funtioning after his injuries or even try to get him medical attention? Even if they were all overjoyed at the time... it still is kind of off.
28th Oct '16 9:41:41 AM M4r4
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** This troper actually does recall her telling him to stop at the beginning ("No, stop... you'll make impure!) and she did look a bit nervous before, so it normally would fall under NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization. However, since she ended up genuinely enjoying it and not having any signs of distress after it becomes a little more YMMV.

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** This troper actually does recall her telling him to stop at the beginning ("No, stop... you'll make impure!) impure!") and she did look a bit nervous before, so it normally would fall under NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization.NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization and was even listed as an example there. However, since she ended up genuinely enjoying it and not having any signs of distress after it becomes a little more YMMV.
27th Oct '16 8:14:11 AM M4r4
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** This troper actually does recall her telling him to stop at the beginning ("No, stop... you'll make impure!) so it probably would fall under NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization. However, since she ended up actually enjoying it and not having any signs of distress after it becomes a little more YMMV.

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** This troper actually does recall her telling him to stop at the beginning ("No, stop... you'll make impure!) and she did look a bit nervous before, so it probably normally would fall under NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization. However, since she ended up actually genuinely enjoying it and not having any signs of distress after it becomes a little more YMMV.



* Pertaining to the German duo. In Chapter 106, [[spoiler: Sullivan forgives Wolfram for deceiving her and accepts him back as her butler. This is a very heartwarming moment...except right beforehand she stops him from apologizing and tells him that ''she was the one who deceived him first'' and claims that her desire to see the outside world was nothing but greed that nearly caused her to lose him. Long story short, although he was under strict orders and would have never done any of this on his own free will, Wolfram still took part in both physical abuse (breaking her feet) and a lifetime of mental manipulation of the poor girl. Along with this, her desire to go out and see the world was a totally justified thing to desire, especially [[ScoobyDooHoax with the truth behind the whole thing.]] I don't know...while this tropette is happy that these two were able to mend things, there is still an aura of UnfortunateImplications that lingers around Sullivan's apology.]]

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* Pertaining to the German duo. In Chapter 106, [[spoiler: Sullivan forgives Wolfram for deceiving her and accepts him back as her butler. This is a very heartwarming moment...except right beforehand she stops him from apologizing and tells him that ''she was the one who deceived him first'' and claims that her desire wishing to see the outside world was nothing but greed that nearly caused her to lose him. Long story short, although he was under strict orders and would have never done any of this on his own free will, Wolfram still took part in both physical abuse (breaking her feet) and a lifetime of mental manipulation of the poor girl. Along with this, her desire wish to go out and see the world was a totally justified thing to desire, especially [[ScoobyDooHoax with the truth behind the whole thing.]] I don't know...while this tropette is happy that these two were able to mend things, there is still an aura of UnfortunateImplications that lingers around Sullivan's apology.]]
27th Oct '16 7:51:54 AM M4r4
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** This troper actually does recall her telling him to stop at the beginning ("No, stop... you'll make impure!) so it probably would fall under NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization. However, since she ended up actually enjoying it and not having any signs of distress after it becomes a little more YMMV.
27th Oct '16 7:25:13 AM M4r4
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27th Oct '16 7:21:02 AM M4r4
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** Grell is biologically male, but identifies as female (in short, she's a M to F transsexual).

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** Grell is biologically male, male but identifies as female (in short, she's female, making her a M to F transsexual).trans woman.
18th Oct '16 5:22:01 PM IsaacsLaughing
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** Not a headscratcher, as it the question was completely resolved in the manga. [[spoiler: The whole village is a setup to drive the development of mustard gas.]]


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** I think the bigger question is, ''why aren't they wondering how someone could come back from'' '''''being freaking embalmed'''''?! Modern embalming was being done from the mid-nineteenth century and was immediately popular with the upper classes! There's no way ''no one'' other than Ciel should ''not'' have noticed that Sebastian had apparently not been embalmed. Okay, he was buried in a safety coffin, but the boom in embalming is exactly why safety coffins never took off; they were irrelevant from the start.
17th Oct '16 6:25:34 PM IsaacsLaughing
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** The Phantomhive family seems to have more history with the supernatural than has been revealed. Undertaker carried a mourning locket for Ciel's grandmother, for instance. We can reasonably speculate there's something in the bloodline; perhaps Undertaker is Ciel's grandfather!

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** The Phantomhive family seems to have more history with the supernatural than has been revealed. Undertaker carried a mourning locket for Ciel's grandmother, for instance. We can reasonably speculate there's something in the bloodline; perhaps Undertaker is Ciel's grandfather!grandfather! I think there are multiple reasons behind this question, though.
17th Oct '16 6:03:04 PM IsaacsLaughing
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*** Soma 'does' explicitly refer to the "television", in some small flavor text when he first visits Ciel's townhouse.

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*** Soma 'does' '''does''' explicitly refer to the "television", in some small flavor text when he first visits Ciel's townhouse.



*** There are 'loads' of them in mid to late chapters: steel steamships the size of the Campania were not remotely feasible until electronic networking was advanced enough to control the hundreds of components for each boiler, Ciel wields a modern Ruger-like semi-auto handgun in the Weston arc, the German arc contains weapons technology from WWs I and II, and the S4 arc involves a range of blood typing, storage and transfusion technologies that 'definitely' aren't Victorian.

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*** There are 'loads' '''loads''' of them in mid to late chapters: steel steamships the size of the Campania were not remotely feasible until electronic networking was advanced enough to control the hundreds of components for each boiler, Ciel wields a modern Ruger-like semi-auto handgun in the Weston arc, the German arc contains weapons technology from WWs World Wars I and II, and the S4 arc involves a range of blood typing, storage and transfusion technologies that 'definitely' '''definitely''' aren't Victorian.
17th Oct '16 5:59:11 PM IsaacsLaughing
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*** Soma 'does' explicitly refer to the "television", in some small flavor text when he first visits Ciel's townhouse.


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*** There are 'loads' of them in mid to late chapters: steel steamships the size of the Campania were not remotely feasible until electronic networking was advanced enough to control the hundreds of components for each boiler, Ciel wields a modern Ruger-like semi-auto handgun in the Weston arc, the German arc contains weapons technology from WWs I and II, and the S4 arc involves a range of blood typing, storage and transfusion technologies that 'definitely' aren't Victorian.
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