History Headscratchers / Bionicle

14th May '18 4:09:41 PM costanton11
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* It bugs me how [[spoiler: the BigBad Makuta Teridax was finally killed. You'd think that a MagnificentBastard like him would meet his end in a more honorable manner, rather than being simply banged on the head by a moon. Perhaps it's just the comic that makes it look so un-epic, since the gigantic moon (the water planet of Aqua Magna) was drawn to look like an everyday asteroid the size of his head. Seeing a whole planet bear down on him would have looked much better. Of course, that raises the question: How did he not see or sense it coming, given that he had been staring upward just seconds prior to that?]]

to:

* It bugs me how [[spoiler: the BigBad Makuta Teridax was finally killed. You'd think that a MagnificentBastard [[TheChessmaster Chessmaster]] like him would meet his end in a more honorable manner, rather than being simply banged on the head by a moon. Perhaps it's just the comic that makes it look so un-epic, since the gigantic moon (the water planet of Aqua Magna) was drawn to look like an everyday asteroid the size of his head. Seeing a whole planet bear down on him would have looked much better. Of course, that raises the question: How did he not see or sense it coming, given that he had been staring upward just seconds prior to that?]]
5th Apr '18 11:31:29 AM MasterFuzzy
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The revelation in Bionicle Legends ten that [[spoiler:The Bohrok were once Av Matoran]] brings up a lot of unsettling FridgeLogic. for example nuparu built the boxor out of bohrok so that means its made out of [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. The toa killed the [[spoiler:Bohrok Kal]] so they were killing [[spoiler: Innocent Av Matoran!]] Poor little [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. [[spoiler:Nuparu and the Toa Nuva are murderers!!!]]

to:

* The revelation in Bionicle Legends ten that [[spoiler:The Bohrok were once Av Matoran]] brings up a lot of unsettling FridgeLogic. for example nuparu Nuparu built the boxor Boxor out of bohrok Bohrok so that means its made out of [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. The toa Toa killed the [[spoiler:Bohrok Kal]] so they were killing [[spoiler: Innocent Av Matoran!]] innocent Av-Matoran!]] Poor little [[spoiler: Av Matoran]]. [[spoiler:Nuparu and the Toa Nuva are murderers!!!]]



* More ranting about the Legend Reborn. [[spoiler:Where the heck is [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Malum]]? He's been pretty important in the source material. It's bad enough that he doesn't make an appearance, but then the bug monster looks like a GIANT PURPLE TUMA, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION.]]
** [[spoiler:A quick glance at the scarabax monster shows a rounded helmet-shaped head and paired claws; it's supposed to resemble Malum.]]
** [[spoiler: Also, what happened to Strakk? Was he banished? If so, how did he do out in the wild?]]
*** [[spoiler:Yeah, he was banished eventually; with everything going on the leaders didn't get to it until after the events of the movie.]]

* A couple of things about the web serials bug me too. For example, the fact that Greg Farshtey writes them spontaneously, mostly without any planning. While I get it that this way, he doesn't have to "force" the characters into certain situations, and that it poses a bigger challenge for his writing skills, but some of the random stuff he comes up with don't seem to fit all that well into the ongoing story. These include, for example: the [[AlternateUniverse alternate]] Teridax, the shadow Takanuva army, Vezon's crazy adventures through time and space... all plotlines that, up to now, haven't been tied up, or even ''looked upon''. Then there's the alliance between the Shadowed One and the Barraki, the Shadowed One's plans with the viruses he "found", the fate of the rogue Barraki Takadox, Toa Nuva, Toa Mahri, Toa Hagah, Lewa's body-switch... And with this year's web serials suffering from serious "handicaps" (new chapters come whenever Greg finds time to write them, which doesn't happen as often as in past years... lack of planning?), I fear these plotlines will find their way into future stories, and make them seem even more disorganized. I would have preferred cleaner, less convulsed serials. I'm not against the notion that these side-stories could in fact overshadow the main plot, but if you've got so many things going on at once, you ought to have at least a ''bit'' foresight.
** Agreed entirely - I loved the web serials in 2007 and the first half of 2008, but since then they've degenerated into a complete mess. From week to week Greg comes up with various cool ideas so as to keep each chapter of the serials interesting and have them end on a cliffhanger, but the story is so complex anyway that most of this stuff never gets addressed and, with the recent changes to the story following the sets' cancellation, probably never will.
*** Original "complainer" here, ready to express his annoyances with how the situation has changed since the original entry about the web serials. Most of the aforementioned plot threads have by now been forgotten, and have been replaced with new, much steadier ones. So what is the complaint? The way the most powerful of characters are being killed off in the serials, and in the most cheap way imaginable -- off screen, and without any buildup. Major characters (at least major to the other characters within the story) with thousands and thousands of years worth of mythology and mysticism behind them are thrown out the window, just to show that there is [[AlwaysABiggerFish a bigger fish out there]]. So much potential is wasted, since the story only ''just'' branched out into a whole planet-sized, bigger-than-before setting.
*** Well, after typing that, WordOfGod promised us the radical offing of powerful characters is justified, and as the story unfolds, we will never again look at Toys/{{Bionicle}} the same way. We'll see how it turns out.
*** [[DoingInTheWizard Aren't we already seeing it in the new way when they removed everything that resembles fantasy from the series]]?
*** Nope, and see closer to the bottom of the page for why you're dead wrong.

to:

* More ranting about the Legend Reborn. [[spoiler:Where Where the heck is [[spoiler: [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Malum]]? Malum]]]]? He's been pretty important in the source material. It's bad enough that he doesn't make an appearance, but then the [[spoiler: bug monster monster]] looks like a GIANT PURPLE TUMA, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION.EXPLANATION.
** A quick glance at the [[spoiler: scarabax monster shows a rounded helmet-shaped head and paired claws; it's supposed to resemble Malum.
]]
** [[spoiler:A quick glance at the scarabax monster shows a rounded helmet-shaped head and paired claws; it's supposed to resemble Malum.]]
** [[spoiler:
** Also, what happened to Strakk? [[spoiler: Strakk?]] Was he banished? If so, how did he do out in the wild?]]
wild?
*** [[spoiler:Yeah, Yeah, he was banished eventually; with everything going on the leaders didn't get to it until after the events of the movie.]]

* A couple of things about the web serials bug me too. For example, the fact that Greg Farshtey writes them spontaneously, mostly without any planning. While I get it that this way, he doesn't have to "force" the characters into certain situations, and that it poses a bigger challenge for his writing skills, but some of the random stuff he comes up with don't seem to fit all that well into the ongoing story. These include, for example: the [[AlternateUniverse alternate]] Teridax, the shadow Takanuva army, Vezon's crazy adventures through time and space... all plotlines that, up to now, haven't been tied up, or even ''looked upon''. Then there's the alliance between the Shadowed One and the Barraki, the Shadowed One's plans with the viruses he "found", the fate of the rogue Barraki Takadox, Toa Nuva, Toa Mahri, Toa Hagah, Lewa's body-switch... And with this year's web serials suffering from serious "handicaps" (new chapters come whenever Greg finds time to write them, which doesn't happen as often as in past years... lack of planning?), I fear these plotlines will find their way into future stories, and make them seem even more disorganized. I would have preferred cleaner, less convulsed serials. I'm not against the notion that these side-stories could in fact overshadow the main plot, but if you've got so many things going on at once, you ought to have at least a ''bit'' foresight.
** Agreed entirely - I loved the web serials in 2007 and the first half of 2008, but since then they've degenerated into a complete mess. From week to week Greg comes up with various cool ideas so as to keep each chapter of the serials interesting and have them end on a cliffhanger, but the story is so complex anyway that most of this stuff never gets addressed and, with the recent changes to the story following the sets' cancellation, probably never will.
*** Original "complainer" here, ready to express his annoyances with how the situation has changed since the original entry about the web serials. Most of the aforementioned plot threads have by now been forgotten, and have been replaced with new, much steadier ones. So what is the complaint? The way the most powerful of characters are being killed off in the serials, and in the most cheap way imaginable -- off screen, and without any buildup. Major characters (at least major to the other characters within the story) with thousands and thousands of years worth of mythology and mysticism behind them are thrown out the window, just to show that there is [[AlwaysABiggerFish a bigger fish out there]]. So much potential is wasted, since the story only ''just'' branched out into a whole planet-sized, bigger-than-before setting.
*** Well, after typing that, WordOfGod promised us the radical offing of powerful characters is justified, and as the story unfolds, we will never again look at Toys/{{Bionicle}} the same way. We'll see how it turns out.
*** [[DoingInTheWizard Aren't we already seeing it in the new way when they removed everything that resembles fantasy from the series]]?
*** Nope, and see closer to the bottom of the page for why you're dead wrong.
movie.



* Mis-(or lack of)-communication between the Bionicle team and other people, companies, artists they rely (or relied) on to create the books, movies, comics, etc., even if the two "parties" work as closely together as possible. I know this is a common issue everywhere and not exclusive to Bionicle, but it constantly keeps happening. What I mean by this exactly? All the bigger-smaller errors in Bionicle-related media that could have been avoided if someone told the media-guys or the mediators stuff like "This one-eyed yellow character who has nothing to do with this organization should never end up on the cover of the book about said organization, use the picture of the black and yellow dude with a huge tail instead" or "These robots are as big as continents, don't make 'em look only a couple of miles high" or even "These guys here are people in armor, not robots, so don't go out of your way to add nuts and bolts to their anatomy". It's justified in some cases, where artistic license adds to the finished product (we wouldn't have that neat flying scene if the Rahaga didn't have propellers on their backs), but most of the time these inaccuracies take away from the experience. A handful could be ignored, like the incorrect mask pictures in the first encyclopedia (this is understandable, there were a lot of masks and laymen can mix them up), but what about stuff like Nokama using Nuju's... um, whatever the name of that niche is to gain her powers instead of her own, or the entire first scene of TLR? These create storyline inconsistencies while being essential moments in their respective movies. With better communication, a couple of questions and answers, some clarification, none of these problems would have arose. Sounds like nitpicking, I know, but it is an issue for me and for other fans I know.
** And this still bugs me. I mean, in the recently released, much awaited graphic novel, ''Legends of Bara Magna'', we have [[spoiler: the Great Spirit Mata Nui using the character model of his Glatorian body, a Zesk and Raanu randomly showing up in place of Rock Agori, Malum carrying a freakin' Cordak Blaster (I ''guess'' that's a mistake, at least) in the Bara Magna desert, etc]]!



* [[spoiler: It bugs me how the BigBad Makuta Teridax was finally killed. You'd think that a MagnificentBastard like him would meet his end in a more honorable manner, rather than being simply banged on the head by a moon. Perhaps it's just the comic that makes it look so un-epic, since the gigantic moon (the water planet of Aqua Magna) was drawn to look like an everyday asteroid the size of his head. Seeing a whole planet bear down on him would have looked much better. Of course, that raises the question: How did he not see or sense it coming, given that he had been staring upward just seconds prior to that?]]

to:

* [[spoiler: It bugs me how [[spoiler: the BigBad Makuta Teridax was finally killed. You'd think that a MagnificentBastard like him would meet his end in a more honorable manner, rather than being simply banged on the head by a moon. Perhaps it's just the comic that makes it look so un-epic, since the gigantic moon (the water planet of Aqua Magna) was drawn to look like an everyday asteroid the size of his head. Seeing a whole planet bear down on him would have looked much better. Of course, that raises the question: How did he not see or sense it coming, given that he had been staring upward just seconds prior to that?]]



*** Not to mention everyone ''should've'' died, considering that killing the Great Spirit robot should've cut off its artificial gravity, and seeing as the islands were right side up when he was on his back, but he didn't ''land'' on his back... Now that I think of it, how the hell was it built standing up, anyways? Artificial gravity ''definitely'' shouldn't have worked back then.
** If you really wanted to see The Makuta get hit by a whole planet rather than the asteroid, there is such official artwork ion Bionicle.com's Mata Nui Saga

to:

*** Not to mention everyone ''should've'' died, considering that killing [[spoiler: the Great Spirit robot should've cut off its artificial gravity, and seeing as the islands were right side up when he was on his back, but he didn't ''land'' on his back... Now that I think of it, how the hell was it built standing up, anyways? Artificial gravity ''definitely'' shouldn't have worked back then.
then.]]
** If you really wanted to see The Makuta [[spoiler: the Makuta]] get hit by a whole planet rather than the asteroid, there is such official artwork ion Bionicle.com's Mata Nui Saga



* The general way the final year or so was handled. As much as I hate it, I understand WHY Lego dropped the Bionicle franchise: it wasn't making them enough money and it wasn't attracting nearly enough of the target audience. While I think it would have been better for them to just shift the demographic of their line, they didn't; that's still not what I'm complaining about. What bugs me is that the ending could have been so EPIC. We have years and years of plot culminating in a huge fight between the BigBad and the BigGood! It could have been so AWESOME, and they could have given the old fans one last great big party. Instead, we get the final line of toys with one of the lowest pieces count and simplified designs, and the LighterAndSofter Legend Reborn. They pretty much did the opposite of what a large number of fans wanted. It just seems to me like one giant, final F-you to all the older fans.
** Hey, be considerate. LEGO's original plan was to scrap the line altogether, without giving the story a grand finale of any kind. The writers, and everyone that cared about the story, had to push until the powers that be finally granted them another half year to finish the story, and come up with a last line of toys. I know it sucks, because it's a lose-lose situation, ''but'' at least we got something out of it. And even what little we got is much, much more than what LEGO originally had in mind. So it wasn't a fully extended middle finger they gave us. I do fully agree with your other observation, though, that they may have been sitting on a potential CashCowFranchise, if they targeted the toys and story at a wider audience. But apparently LEGO's happy with how relatively low-profile Bionicle was. I think it has, or had a lot of potential to become a much bigger phenomenon -- the story is rich in interesting and unique ideas and concepts. But I also see why LEGO and other companies (like the ones responsible for the books and graphic novels) thought it might be risky to let it branch out.



* Going off everything said above, what has ALWAYS bugged, and what actually completely turned me off Bionicle (story-wise, I bought all the Piraka and Toa Inika cause they [[RuleofCool looked damn cool]]) was the complete and utter [[DoingInTheWizard Doing in the Wizard]] post Mask of Light. What I loved most about Bionicle were the mystical aspects of it, how the all the people were not robots but sentient beings created by a deity instead of in some factory. I also really loved the whole [[CainAndAbel Cain and Abel]] bit Mata-Nui and Makuta had. But no, Metru Nui comes in and suddenly the Matoran got everything wrong, and they're now just robots apparently running on faulty programming. And then there was the fact that Mata Nui was not {{God}}, just a really big robot ([[FridgeLogic and DO NOT]] get me [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale started on that]]!), and most of all that Makuta was not his "real" brother,and that there was more than one of him. Way to cheapen a villain by knowing that if he dies, oh well, there is an entire race of him! When did it seem like a good Idea to turn Makuta (I refuse to call him Teridax) from God's brother, and thus a god himself ([[UltimateEvil or something]] [[EldritchAbomination just as powerful]]), into just a very greedy energy being type thing? Its because of all this that I consider mask of light/Takanuva story to be the high point of Bionicle, and in my personal cannon the end of it. Everything after just cheapens the whole story. Oh well, I know I'll get flak for this, but at least it looks like Toys/HeroFactory won't have this problem.
*** None of the other Makuta are as skilled as him. And what's scarier, god's evil brother or [[Manga/DeathNote a non-god who nevertheless took god down and has a vast organization of similar beings to back him up?]]
*** The later, because while an evil god is impressive, a god has a certain amount of power and that's it. [[Manga/DeathNote An evil godslaying mortal on the other handů]] Well that's the whole premise of a [[Literature/LordofLight Roger Zelazny book.]]
*** The former. You can write Makuta as a super-genius who can solve every mystery in the known universe while playing chess and learning a foreign language at the same for all I care, but it still won't be impressive unless you present and execute it well. The former was executed and presented well and had they followed that, everything in the story would be so much better than it actually is.
*** The former for another reason as well, this troper highly doubts an intelligent mystical being would allow something like makuta to take be able to take him out no matter how cunning he is, in such a situation I would not look at makuta as a god slayer, I would think that Mata Nui was never a powerful god to begin with.
*** The official explanation was that he was too interested in the outside world and stopped paying attention to the MU outside of keeping everything running.
*** IMO, I thought Teridax's [[MagnificentBastard magnificent bastard]] persona was handled quite well. Original Makuta was just a generic [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abomination]] with a badass introduction in the MNOLG. The whole eldrich angle even kinda suffered a bit in 2003-2004; he went from writhing mass of shadow and hate to generic armored titan dude who got beaten by ''losing a game of Kolhii'', hired mercenaries, had trouble controlling his own powers, and couldn't even win against a single Toa of Fire (which kinda kills the whole "weak god, not powerful godslayer" angle presented above- besides, far weaker mortals have been shown killing far stronger gods in plenty of other stories). After Web of Shadows, though, Teridax went from always-failing ancient Satanic god to a ridiculously powerful and smart former admin of the universe, one that took any and all failures in his stride, played all sides to his advantage alone, and actually managed to replace the god he took down, while his failures in turn became somewhat more believable- despite his wicked planning skillz, he's still mortal, and can make mistakes. The series as a whole proved he was not infallible; getting crushed by the door, getting mauled by the League and Hydraxon, the Metru imprisoning him in protodermis- all that was him actually being defeated. He just ended up getting better eventually. As for the bit about doing in the wizard, well, check my answer to the question before this one (it's the one mentioning Spider-Man and One More Day). Ooh, and before I forget- sorry for being so bitchy. I get kinda touchy when it comes to BIONICLE. :(
** I think it's a bit of an exaggeration to say it turned completely upside down at '04. The story still had a balance between the mystical and sci-fi elements. Things like destiny, prophecies... um, some other things?... were still stressed for several years, and the concept of artificial intelligence and robots never came up, save for some smaller cases, like the Vahki or the Nektann cannons (some of which were non-canon anyway). The three virtues still remained important plot points, even in the final book, but by that time, the story really did lose most of its "''magic''". So I tend to agree with you in this regard. It has become too generic for my tastes, and although all the mysticism or whatever you may call it never made sense in the first place, to me, that was ''exactly'' what attracted me to the story. Besides the sets and promotional material.
** I'm late to the discussion, but I want to put my two cents in: Frankly, I'm getting annoyed at how people keep saying that all the mysticism disappeared the end of Bionicle's storyline. Some of it was explained, that's true but not everything was given a concrete ''scifi'' explanation. For instance: elemental powers, Kanohi powers and the Red Star's capabilities aren't exactly science fiction. You could argue that all of those could be claimed as science fiction, but you'd really have to reach into Clarke's Third Law (any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic) to cover all of them. In short the idea that all the magic was sucked out of Bionicle is really a nonsensical claim.



* Many fans claim it all went downhill around 2004/2006, depending on who you ask, because the story was becoming far too complicated. However, I think the franchise's problem is not the story, but the excecution. Back in '01, they had MNOG, a web series, and a fantastic, interactive website that provided tonnes of information and entertainment. This was a relatively new thing for toy companies to be doing; it was unique, and it worked really well. All the story information was readily accessible to fans, and so they had no trouble following it. But then in '04, the site was given a revamp. All the games and animations were taken down, along with most of the character bios. The site sure looked flashier, but it was lacking in substance. Fans were expected to have to go and buy the books and [=DVDs=] in order to access the story, which most kids wouldn't do unless they already had some interest in the storyline. Other MerchandiseDriven series, such as ''{{Transformers}}'', had TV shows, which, again are fairly accessible- all the kids have to do is turn on the TV to follow the story. But, for some reason, Lego wasn't willing to invest the time or resources in maintaining the site or putting together a series, and the franchise suffered as a result.
** Toys/HeroFactory has the right idea in making a TV series, but, once again, it is so horribly let down in the execution. The first series was bland, sterile, and didn't contain one scrap of originality. Since Lego is so concerned with producing quality products, why didn't they pick a well-known animation studio that consistently produces quality work?
** Quality animation is expensive!
*** And good writing is not.
*** According to a book I read about the toy industry, Lego made $175 million off Bionicle in the first three years. Imagine how much they must have made by now. Yes, it's a risk, but when you have that much money, I think it's ''more'' risky to put your faith- and the future of one of your most successful lines- in the hands of people who may or may not do a good job. Greg has said that they actually recieved a pitch for a feature film relatively recently, but they couldn't take it because the deal with Tinseltown Toons prevented them from releasing anything on DVD with another studio. (So, while they could have made the film and released it in cinemas, they would have to wait until the contract expired before they could release it on DVD. When the studio in question heard about that, they lost interest.)






** Mata Nui is roughly as tall as the diameter of the Earth IIRC. He was intended to be planet sized

to:

** Mata Nui is roughly as tall as the diameter of the Earth IIRC. He was intended to be planet sizedsized.









* I don't know if this has already been answered in universe or not, but how exactly do the rahi get their regular masks put on them? The first ones probably had theirs put on by Makuta when they were created, but what about the more feral ones? Or are the mask-wearing rahi only ever created by BoM?

to:


* I don't know if this has already been answered in universe or not, but how exactly do the rahi Rahi get their regular masks put on them? The first ones probably had theirs put on by Makuta when they were created, but what about the more feral ones? Or are the mask-wearing rahi only ever created by BoM?


Added DiffLines:



Added DiffLines:



Added DiffLines:



Added DiffLines:



Added DiffLines:

** May just be [[RuleOfCool for that reason.]]


Added DiffLines:



Added DiffLines:



Added DiffLines:

** Maybe it's built on the outside slopes of the Mangai?


Added DiffLines:



Added DiffLines:

** My theory is that when Matoro used it, it saw his memories. [[CaptainObvious Naturally, Matoro thinks of Toa as the good guys and Makuta as the bad]], so it may be going off of that.
1st Feb '18 5:05:15 AM NDSTFD
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* Ignika's self-preservation: why didn't it try to kill Dekar / Hydraxon, both times under the direct threat of destruction, and instead came up with some giant-eel plans; but when Lewa, Pohatu, Tanma and Photok attempted the same in Shadow Leech Hive, it started killing the attackers immediately. Then, it doesn't seem justified the mask would curse Icarax just for an attempt of touching it, while Nocturn, Vezon and Mantax carried it for a long time and never experienced anything close to Evolution Torture Icarax received.
16th Nov '17 6:38:33 AM MasterFuzzy
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Perhaps it's not so much that they didn't know what the powers ''are,'' just how to turn them on.
12th Jun '17 2:18:55 PM Fishyface
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

*** It's been confirmed that the Mask of Light can change shape to some extent. It's possible that the mask shrank or grew according to circumstances.
18th Mar '17 11:20:26 AM Jahoan
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** It was used the other way around to prove Takanuva's identity when he met the Toa Nuva in Karda Nui, having his gold armor turned gray, his mask changed in shape, his size increase, and using shadow power, which made Pohatu suspicious. To prove it was him, he asked Gali to read his memories through their mental link, and she mentions the Toa Empire and Kingdom Alternate Universes.
12th Mar '17 3:44:34 PM AlataSkick
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

**Additionally, wouldn't there be records of mask powers in the Archives?
5th Mar '17 2:15:01 PM AlataSkick
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*I may not be remembering that arc correctly, but why do the Toa Metru need to figure out what their Kanohi powers are? Vakama was a mask maker, so wouldn't he know?
8th Dec '16 9:49:26 AM Debatra
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* Am I misremembering, or did Takua and Gali have some kind of mental link at some point? What ever happened with that?
30th Oct '16 5:00:51 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Going off everything said above, what has ALWAYS bugged, and what actually completely turned me off Bionicle (story-wise, I bought all the Piraka and Toa Inika cause they [[RuleofCool looked damn cool]]) was the complete and utter [[DoingInTheWizard Doing in the Wizard]] post Mask of Light. What I loved most about Bionicle were the mystical aspects of it, how the all the people were not robots but sentient beings created by a deity instead of in some factory. I also really loved the whole [[CainAndAbel Cain and Abel]] bit Mata-Nui and Makuta had. But no, Metru Nui comes in and suddenly the Matoran got everything wrong, and they're now just robots apparently running on faulty programming. And then there was the fact that Mata Nui was not {{God}}, just a really big robot ([[FridgeLogic and DO NOT]] get me [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale started on that]]!), and most of all that Makuta was not his "real" brother,and that there was more than one of him. Way to cheapen a villain by knowing that if he dies, oh well, there is an entire race of him! When did it seem like a good Idea to turn Makuta (I refuse to call him Teridax) from God's brother, and thus a god himself ([[UltimateEvil or something]] [[EldritchAbomination just as powerful]]), into just a very greedy energy being type thing? Its because of all this that I consider mask of light/Takanuva story to be the high point of Bionicle, and in my personal cannon the end of it. Everything after just cheapens the whole story. Oh well, I know I'll get flak for this, but at least it looks like [[HeroFactory Hero Factory]] won't have this problem.

to:

* Going off everything said above, what has ALWAYS bugged, and what actually completely turned me off Bionicle (story-wise, I bought all the Piraka and Toa Inika cause they [[RuleofCool looked damn cool]]) was the complete and utter [[DoingInTheWizard Doing in the Wizard]] post Mask of Light. What I loved most about Bionicle were the mystical aspects of it, how the all the people were not robots but sentient beings created by a deity instead of in some factory. I also really loved the whole [[CainAndAbel Cain and Abel]] bit Mata-Nui and Makuta had. But no, Metru Nui comes in and suddenly the Matoran got everything wrong, and they're now just robots apparently running on faulty programming. And then there was the fact that Mata Nui was not {{God}}, just a really big robot ([[FridgeLogic and DO NOT]] get me [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale started on that]]!), and most of all that Makuta was not his "real" brother,and that there was more than one of him. Way to cheapen a villain by knowing that if he dies, oh well, there is an entire race of him! When did it seem like a good Idea to turn Makuta (I refuse to call him Teridax) from God's brother, and thus a god himself ([[UltimateEvil or something]] [[EldritchAbomination just as powerful]]), into just a very greedy energy being type thing? Its because of all this that I consider mask of light/Takanuva story to be the high point of Bionicle, and in my personal cannon the end of it. Everything after just cheapens the whole story. Oh well, I know I'll get flak for this, but at least it looks like [[HeroFactory Hero Factory]] Toys/HeroFactory won't have this problem.



** HeroFactory has the right idea in making a TV series, but, once again, it is so horribly let down in the execution. The first series was bland, sterile, and didn't contain one scrap of originality. Since Lego is so concerned with producing quality products, why didn't they pick a well-known animation studio that consistently produces quality work?

to:

** HeroFactory Toys/HeroFactory has the right idea in making a TV series, but, once again, it is so horribly let down in the execution. The first series was bland, sterile, and didn't contain one scrap of originality. Since Lego is so concerned with producing quality products, why didn't they pick a well-known animation studio that consistently produces quality work?
This list shows the last 10 events of 113. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.Bionicle