History Headscratchers / Bionicle

2nd May '16 3:55:27 PM hunter139
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* I recently noticed something, and was absolutely shocked that I hadn't figured this out earlier. Is the symbol that represents the three vitrues (the unity, duty and destiny dots) supposed to be a subtle representation of the shattered fragments Spherus Magna? If so, then Unity and Duty would represent Aqua Magna and Bota Magna, while Destiny would be Bara Manga. Everyone else sees this, right?

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* I recently noticed something, and was absolutely shocked that I hadn't figured this out earlier. Is the symbol that represents the three vitrues virtues (the unity, duty and destiny dots) supposed to be a subtle representation of the shattered fragments Spherus Magna? If so, then Unity and Duty would represent Aqua Magna and Bota Magna, while Destiny would be Bara Manga. Everyone else sees this, right?


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* Alright, this is kind of a minor thing, but it's been bugging me for a while: Where is Ta-Koro located? Most of the early media implies that Ta-Koro was inside the Mangai volcano, but all the official maps of Mata Nui show that it's nowhere near the center of the island, and is actually closer to the coast of the island (which is born out by MNOG), yet it also implies that the village was in the heart of the Mangai. Further confusing the issue is that one of the early comics has Makuta trigger an eruption in the volcano, which should've destroyed Ta-Koro, and yet they're clearly fine afterwards. So, can anyone help me on this?
1st Dec '15 10:38:53 AM TheOutsider
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** Some of these plot-holes were actually adressed: the Toa found a teleportation device and tried to call for help from another universe, but it was broken and they couldn't fix it in time (why they didn't try to find another way is anyone's guess); the Great Beings apparently are the only ones aware of alternate universes without first travelling to them, but they don't know exactly what goes on on each (the ones from the Melding were surprised to see a Shadow Matoran); and dimensional travel seems to run on an "equivalent exchange" unspoken rule, so each universe isn't fragilized by unfulfilled destinies (this is mentioned when Vultraz stays in the Melding universe and Melding!Teridax goes to the main universe, and repeatedly with the Shadow Takanuva; in fact it' why Prime!Teridax used them against Melding!Teridax).



**** They also wanted to research how other cultures avoided war so they wouldn't go through [[EarthShatteringKaboom the same problem]] ''again'', so it was a bit more thought-out than at first glance (why a giant robot, however, [[ForScience only has]] [[RuleOfCool one explanation...]]



***** [[spoiler: And WordOfGod confirms he was responsible for this.]]



***** Where does everyone get the "Vakama had faulty wiring" explanation? I can't find it anywhere in the official wiki.



**** The official explanation was that he was too interested in the outside world and stopped paying attention to the MU outside of keeping everything running.




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** The Toa Canisters have guidance systems and can phase through solid rock.
1st Dec '15 10:18:11 AM TheOutsider
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*** If I recall, WordOfGod claimed Takanuva's used his Light powers to keep the gray/white colors to be less visible. Maybe he also switched armor.




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** The last book explains his [[GravityMaster gravity powers]] extend beyond the MU, with [[spoiler: Makuta using them to pull Aqua and Flora Magna]]; so he probably used them to keep the planets safe while studying them. As for how he could enter undetected, some early artwork claimed he was supposed to curl into a ball when entering a planet, so the natives might have mistook him for a meteorite (of course, this was back when Mata Nui was the size of Denmark, so it's probably no longer official).


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** Yep, this was pretty much confirmed.
7th Nov '15 12:34:26 PM randomtroper89
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* More ranting about the Legend Reborn. [[spoiler:Where the heck is [[BrotherChuck Malum]]? He's been pretty important in the source material. It's bad enough that he doesn't make an appearance, but then the bug monster looks like a GIANT PURPLE TUMA, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION.]]

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* More ranting about the Legend Reborn. [[spoiler:Where the heck is [[BrotherChuck [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome Malum]]? He's been pretty important in the source material. It's bad enough that he doesn't make an appearance, but then the bug monster looks like a GIANT PURPLE TUMA, WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPLANATION.]]
26th Sep '15 8:29:15 PM nombretomado
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*** Check ''Time Trap''. The Toa Metru were created because Mata Nui had been attacked and needed some help with getting the Matoran of Metru Nui to safety. Also, in response to the main question and the brain activity thing, first of all, although the genre shift did seem a bit drastic to me, I quite enjoyed learning all about the history and workings of the MU. As explained by [[WordOfGod Greg]], being kept in the dark about everything may in theory preserve a sense of "mysticism", but after a while it really starts to get annoying. Keeping secrets isn't cool, y'know. I, at least, am quite satisfied with the story, even if the Mata Nui island setting always appealed to me the most. And just saying [[OneMoreDay "it's magic, I don't have to explain it"]] is an even more surefire way to piss people off, something that the [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] fandom should be able to explain quite well. And ''then'' there's the fact that from what I under stand, ''Film/HighlanderIITheQuickening'' wasn't trashed for explaining stuff, but for giving ''really stupid-ass'' explanations. Back on track, though- this is one thing I'm fine not having explained. I see it as kinda like how elemental powers and Kanohi and everything exist, and file it under [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief willing suspension of disbelief]]- something that we should have in spades for a series like this. (BTW, sorry for sounding so bitchy, I've followed the series for a long time and tend to get kinda defensive about it.)

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*** Check ''Time Trap''. The Toa Metru were created because Mata Nui had been attacked and needed some help with getting the Matoran of Metru Nui to safety. Also, in response to the main question and the brain activity thing, first of all, although the genre shift did seem a bit drastic to me, I quite enjoyed learning all about the history and workings of the MU. As explained by [[WordOfGod Greg]], being kept in the dark about everything may in theory preserve a sense of "mysticism", but after a while it really starts to get annoying. Keeping secrets isn't cool, y'know. I, at least, am quite satisfied with the story, even if the Mata Nui island setting always appealed to me the most. And just saying [[OneMoreDay [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay "it's magic, I don't have to explain it"]] is an even more surefire way to piss people off, something that the [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] fandom should be able to explain quite well. And ''then'' there's the fact that from what I under stand, ''Film/HighlanderIITheQuickening'' wasn't trashed for explaining stuff, but for giving ''really stupid-ass'' explanations. Back on track, though- this is one thing I'm fine not having explained. I see it as kinda like how elemental powers and Kanohi and everything exist, and file it under [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief willing suspension of disbelief]]- something that we should have in spades for a series like this. (BTW, sorry for sounding so bitchy, I've followed the series for a long time and tend to get kinda defensive about it.)
26th Apr '15 2:38:28 PM AloysiusDon
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* I recently noticed something, and was absolutely shocked that I hadn't figured this out earlier. Is the "Bionicle symbol" (the unity, duty and destiny dots) supposed to be a subtle representation of the shattered fragments Spherus Magna? If so, then Unity and Duty would represent Aqua Magna and Bota Magna, while Destiny would be Bara Manga. Everyone else sees this, right?

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* I recently noticed something, and was absolutely shocked that I hadn't figured this out earlier. Is the "Bionicle symbol" symbol that represents the three vitrues (the unity, duty and destiny dots) supposed to be a subtle representation of the shattered fragments Spherus Magna? If so, then Unity and Duty would represent Aqua Magna and Bota Magna, while Destiny would be Bara Manga. Everyone else sees this, right?
26th Apr '15 2:36:43 PM AloysiusDon
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*I recently noticed something, and was absolutely shocked that I hadn't figured this out earlier. Is the "Bionicle symbol" (the unity, duty and destiny dots) supposed to be a subtle representation of the shattered fragments Spherus Magna? If so, then Unity and Duty would represent Aqua Magna and Bota Magna, while Destiny would be Bara Manga. Everyone else sees this, right?
29th Nov '14 1:01:58 AM Tuckerscreator
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** Direct quote from the novelization is "This united all the powers of the other six--only it was even stronger!", so presumably it merely increases each mask's individual power. It also didn't require one to switch their mask to use its respective power, so that might give a split-second advantage.
29th Nov '14 12:55:51 AM DaltimusPrime
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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but in *Tale of the Toa*, the masks "stack"a the Toa collect them (i.e. Kopaka finds a Hau and puts it on over his Akaku, and then, when he tests it, he finds that he can still use the Akaku's sight with the Hau's shield). What, then, was the point of the Golden Kanohi? They supposedly possess the powers of all six of 2001's Kanohi, but it seems pretty pointless when the Toa can just use all six powers on their own. Is there a reason besides [[MerchandiseDriven selling more masks?]]
9th Nov '14 10:30:22 AM hunter139
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** I'm late to the discussion, but I want to put my two cents in: Frankly, I'm getting annoyed at how people keep saying that all the mysticism disappeared the end of Bionicle's storyline. Some of it was explained, that's true but not everything was given a concrete ''scifi'' explanation. For instance: elemental powers, Kanohi powers and the Red Star's capabilities aren't exactly science fiction. You could argue that all of those could be claimed as science fiction, but you'd really have to reach into Clarke's Third Law (any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic) to cover all of them. In short the idea that all the magic was sucked out of Bionicle is really a nonsensical claim.
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