History Headscratchers / Bionicle

18th Mar '17 11:20:26 AM Jahoan
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** It was used the other way around to prove Takanuva's identity when he met the Toa Nuva in Karda Nui, having his gold armor turned gray, his mask changed in shape, his size increase, and using shadow power, which made Pohatu suspicious. To prove it was him, he asked Gali to read his memories through their mental link, and she mentions the Toa Empire and Kingdom Alternate Universes.
12th Mar '17 3:44:34 PM AlataSkick
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**Additionally, wouldn't there be records of mask powers in the Archives?
5th Mar '17 2:15:01 PM AlataSkick
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*I may not be remembering that arc correctly, but why do the Toa Metru need to figure out what their Kanohi powers are? Vakama was a mask maker, so wouldn't he know?
8th Dec '16 9:49:26 AM Debatra
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* Am I misremembering, or did Takua and Gali have some kind of mental link at some point? What ever happened with that?
30th Oct '16 5:00:51 PM nombretomado
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* Going off everything said above, what has ALWAYS bugged, and what actually completely turned me off Bionicle (story-wise, I bought all the Piraka and Toa Inika cause they [[RuleofCool looked damn cool]]) was the complete and utter [[DoingInTheWizard Doing in the Wizard]] post Mask of Light. What I loved most about Bionicle were the mystical aspects of it, how the all the people were not robots but sentient beings created by a deity instead of in some factory. I also really loved the whole [[CainAndAbel Cain and Abel]] bit Mata-Nui and Makuta had. But no, Metru Nui comes in and suddenly the Matoran got everything wrong, and they're now just robots apparently running on faulty programming. And then there was the fact that Mata Nui was not {{God}}, just a really big robot ([[FridgeLogic and DO NOT]] get me [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale started on that]]!), and most of all that Makuta was not his "real" brother,and that there was more than one of him. Way to cheapen a villain by knowing that if he dies, oh well, there is an entire race of him! When did it seem like a good Idea to turn Makuta (I refuse to call him Teridax) from God's brother, and thus a god himself ([[UltimateEvil or something]] [[EldritchAbomination just as powerful]]), into just a very greedy energy being type thing? Its because of all this that I consider mask of light/Takanuva story to be the high point of Bionicle, and in my personal cannon the end of it. Everything after just cheapens the whole story. Oh well, I know I'll get flak for this, but at least it looks like [[HeroFactory Hero Factory]] won't have this problem.

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* Going off everything said above, what has ALWAYS bugged, and what actually completely turned me off Bionicle (story-wise, I bought all the Piraka and Toa Inika cause they [[RuleofCool looked damn cool]]) was the complete and utter [[DoingInTheWizard Doing in the Wizard]] post Mask of Light. What I loved most about Bionicle were the mystical aspects of it, how the all the people were not robots but sentient beings created by a deity instead of in some factory. I also really loved the whole [[CainAndAbel Cain and Abel]] bit Mata-Nui and Makuta had. But no, Metru Nui comes in and suddenly the Matoran got everything wrong, and they're now just robots apparently running on faulty programming. And then there was the fact that Mata Nui was not {{God}}, just a really big robot ([[FridgeLogic and DO NOT]] get me [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale started on that]]!), and most of all that Makuta was not his "real" brother,and that there was more than one of him. Way to cheapen a villain by knowing that if he dies, oh well, there is an entire race of him! When did it seem like a good Idea to turn Makuta (I refuse to call him Teridax) from God's brother, and thus a god himself ([[UltimateEvil or something]] [[EldritchAbomination just as powerful]]), into just a very greedy energy being type thing? Its because of all this that I consider mask of light/Takanuva story to be the high point of Bionicle, and in my personal cannon the end of it. Everything after just cheapens the whole story. Oh well, I know I'll get flak for this, but at least it looks like [[HeroFactory Hero Factory]] Toys/HeroFactory won't have this problem.



** HeroFactory has the right idea in making a TV series, but, once again, it is so horribly let down in the execution. The first series was bland, sterile, and didn't contain one scrap of originality. Since Lego is so concerned with producing quality products, why didn't they pick a well-known animation studio that consistently produces quality work?

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** HeroFactory Toys/HeroFactory has the right idea in making a TV series, but, once again, it is so horribly let down in the execution. The first series was bland, sterile, and didn't contain one scrap of originality. Since Lego is so concerned with producing quality products, why didn't they pick a well-known animation studio that consistently produces quality work?
20th Jul '16 5:35:50 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** [[spoiler:Seconded. Tuma was BadAss and DangerouslyGenreSavvy, and the movie should've treated him as the BigBad that he is instead of just TheDragon.]]

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** [[spoiler:Seconded. Tuma was BadAss badass and DangerouslyGenreSavvy, smart, and the movie should've treated him as the BigBad that he is instead of just TheDragon.]]
10th Jul '16 9:17:57 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** It was a case of TheyJustDidntCare/ research failure on the movie writers' part. Greg refers to it as a political alliance, so I presume it's only people in power who do it. It's pretty unlikely that we'll see any other "marriages", though. Greg would probably prefer to pretend it didn't happen.

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** It was a case of TheyJustDidntCare/ research failure on the movie writers' part. Greg refers to it as a political alliance, so I presume it's only people in power who do it. It's pretty unlikely that we'll see any other "marriages", though. Greg would probably prefer to pretend it didn't happen.
25th Jun '16 4:16:33 PM nombretomado
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*** Well, after typing that, WordOfGod promised us the radical offing of powerful characters is justified, and as the story unfolds, we will never again look at {{Bionicle}} the same way. We'll see how it turns out.

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*** Well, after typing that, WordOfGod promised us the radical offing of powerful characters is justified, and as the story unfolds, we will never again look at {{Bionicle}} Toys/{{Bionicle}} the same way. We'll see how it turns out.



** You know, those last few lines sound like you're describing ''{{Film/Avatar}}''. I can see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't say the Le-Matoran are necessarily portrayed in a negative light. Yes, the way they speak is different, but it's never implied that there's anything wrong with that. One thing they definitely have over ''Avatar'' is that they ''don't'' need a MightyWhitey figure to come and lead them. They are the way they are, and that's okay. On the "Boneheads" thing- I actually made a topic on BZP about that a while ago, speculating what may have happened with the Maoris if they kept the name. Greg came in and said that the WorkingTitle was a decoy used in order to maintain secrecy in the toy industry. I'm not sure if I believe him 100%, but it makes sense. Anyway, I think ''{{Bionicle}}'''s implications for race are nowhere near as explicit and offensive as the implications for gender...

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** You know, those last few lines sound like you're describing ''{{Film/Avatar}}''. I can see where you're coming from, but I wouldn't say the Le-Matoran are necessarily portrayed in a negative light. Yes, the way they speak is different, but it's never implied that there's anything wrong with that. One thing they definitely have over ''Avatar'' is that they ''don't'' need a MightyWhitey figure to come and lead them. They are the way they are, and that's okay. On the "Boneheads" thing- I actually made a topic on BZP about that a while ago, speculating what may have happened with the Maoris if they kept the name. Greg came in and said that the WorkingTitle was a decoy used in order to maintain secrecy in the toy industry. I'm not sure if I believe him 100%, but it makes sense. Anyway, I think ''{{Bionicle}}'''s ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'''s implications for race are nowhere near as explicit and offensive as the implications for gender...
2nd May '16 3:55:27 PM hunter139
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* I recently noticed something, and was absolutely shocked that I hadn't figured this out earlier. Is the symbol that represents the three vitrues (the unity, duty and destiny dots) supposed to be a subtle representation of the shattered fragments Spherus Magna? If so, then Unity and Duty would represent Aqua Magna and Bota Magna, while Destiny would be Bara Manga. Everyone else sees this, right?

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* I recently noticed something, and was absolutely shocked that I hadn't figured this out earlier. Is the symbol that represents the three vitrues virtues (the unity, duty and destiny dots) supposed to be a subtle representation of the shattered fragments Spherus Magna? If so, then Unity and Duty would represent Aqua Magna and Bota Magna, while Destiny would be Bara Manga. Everyone else sees this, right?


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* Alright, this is kind of a minor thing, but it's been bugging me for a while: Where is Ta-Koro located? Most of the early media implies that Ta-Koro was inside the Mangai volcano, but all the official maps of Mata Nui show that it's nowhere near the center of the island, and is actually closer to the coast of the island (which is born out by MNOG), yet it also implies that the village was in the heart of the Mangai. Further confusing the issue is that one of the early comics has Makuta trigger an eruption in the volcano, which should've destroyed Ta-Koro, and yet they're clearly fine afterwards. So, can anyone help me on this?
1st Dec '15 10:38:53 AM TheOutsider
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** Some of these plot-holes were actually adressed: the Toa found a teleportation device and tried to call for help from another universe, but it was broken and they couldn't fix it in time (why they didn't try to find another way is anyone's guess); the Great Beings apparently are the only ones aware of alternate universes without first travelling to them, but they don't know exactly what goes on on each (the ones from the Melding were surprised to see a Shadow Matoran); and dimensional travel seems to run on an "equivalent exchange" unspoken rule, so each universe isn't fragilized by unfulfilled destinies (this is mentioned when Vultraz stays in the Melding universe and Melding!Teridax goes to the main universe, and repeatedly with the Shadow Takanuva; in fact it' why Prime!Teridax used them against Melding!Teridax).



**** They also wanted to research how other cultures avoided war so they wouldn't go through [[EarthShatteringKaboom the same problem]] ''again'', so it was a bit more thought-out than at first glance (why a giant robot, however, [[ForScience only has]] [[RuleOfCool one explanation...]]



***** [[spoiler: And WordOfGod confirms he was responsible for this.]]



***** Where does everyone get the "Vakama had faulty wiring" explanation? I can't find it anywhere in the official wiki.



**** The official explanation was that he was too interested in the outside world and stopped paying attention to the MU outside of keeping everything running.




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** The Toa Canisters have guidance systems and can phase through solid rock.
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