History Headscratchers / Ben10Omniverse

5th May '17 2:27:31 PM Manny20444
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** Actually, the original Ben 10,000 is back through the fact that the ''Omniverse'' version of Ben 10,000 is the same Ben 10,000 as the original series version.

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** Actually, the original Ben 10,000 is back through the fact that the ''Omniverse'' version of Ben 10,000 is the same Ben 10,000 as the original series version. Also, the Ben 10,000 future has been confirmed as the future that Ben (the main one) will have and Ben 10,000 is an older version of him from the future.
5th May '17 2:25:26 PM Manny20444
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** Actually, the original Ben 10,000 is back through the fact that the ''Omniverse'' version of Ben 10,000 is the same Ben 10,000 as the original series version.
5th May '17 12:19:47 PM Manny20444
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* How can Azmuth [[spoiler:hack Albedo's decide to trap him in a 11 years old Ben body]]? I mean, aside from the whole age thing which already is convoluted, Albedo was the one who ''made'' that thing. He should by all logic know exactly how it works and be capable to fix it by himself. We are not talking about an fake Omnitrix here, damn it!
** Like the Ultimatrix the technology used to create Albedo's current device is still apparently beyond him. He can duplicate it in much the same way that I can copy a working car, I can even put a spoiler (Evolution function) on it but I don't really understand how the engine actually works. Azmuth does. It was explained that the Ultimatrix treated Ben as the "base" form and that was why Albedo was trapped as Ben. Why any of the devices currently around would have ten year old Ben stored at all is interesting since the original was destroyed when he was fifteen and he was is sixteen now.
*** You seem to miss the point that Albedo BUILT that thing! He just took the Ultimatrix and completed it, but his adaptator was entirely done by him, so he should by all logic know exactly how it works, and it should be a much simplier piece of technology than the Omnitrix. Especially since the device had a different intended purpose than the Omnitrix, so to create that different purpose, he HAD to know how it worked. This is an entirely different thing than the Ultimatrix.

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* How can Azmuth [[spoiler:hack Albedo's decide Ultimatrix to trap him in a 11 years old Ben body]]? I mean, aside from the whole age thing which already is convoluted, Albedo was the one who ''made'' that thing. He should by all logic know exactly how it works and be capable to fix it by himself. We are not talking about an fake Omnitrix here, damn it!
** Like the Ultimatrix original Ultimatrix, the technology used to create Albedo's current device new Ultimatrix is still apparently beyond him. He can duplicate it in much the same way that I can copy a working car, I can even put a spoiler (Evolution function) on it but I don't really understand how the engine actually works. Azmuth does. It was explained that the Ultimatrix treated Ben as the "base" form and that was why Albedo was trapped as Ben. Why any of the devices currently around would have ten year old Ben stored at all is interesting since the original was destroyed when he was fifteen and he was is sixteen now.
*** You seem to miss the point that Albedo BUILT that thing! He just took the Ultimatrix and completed it, but his adaptator was entirely done by him, so he should by all logic know exactly how it works, and it should be a much simplier piece of technology than the Omnitrix. Especially since the device had a different intended purpose than the Omnitrix, so to create that different purpose, he HAD to know how it worked. This is an entirely different thing Ultimatrix than the original Ultimatrix.
13th Mar '17 3:06:03 PM H2SO4
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* What are the Segmentasapien's true forms supposed to be? Are they StarfishAliens disguised as Lego? Nothing from WordOfGod on this.

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* What are the Segmentasapien's true forms supposed to be? Are they StarfishAliens disguised as Lego? Nothing from WordOfGod on this.this.

* How does Ben not suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder? He's had a lot of experiences where his enemies seriously hurt him to the point of near death, and an event most tragic was when Malware attacked him, almost killed him, and ripped Feedback out of the Omnitrix and turning him into dust. Given Ben's character, it's rather astounding.
12th Feb '17 7:00:10 PM Manny20444
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* In Special Delivery, Ben destroys Mr. Baumann car. Mr. Baumann says that Ben always destroys his cars in the episode. The first time is when is 5 and he lights it on fire it with his magnifying glass. Second time round is when he's 10 and he destroys it using Way Big during a fight with Animo. This one makes less sense asto his claim, but then I remembered that Ben later became famous and Mr. Baumann originally thought it was just another one of those freak alien attacks that were happening all over the country(Which is usually the coverup Ben used in the original series), and I assume that he put 2 and 2 together later on when Ben was famous. Way Big just goes away and avoids the blame. My personal question has to do with the third one. 15-year-old Ben uses Big Chill and takes down a DNAlien... and freezes Mr. Baumann's car. Thing is, that Ben turned back ''immediately afterward.'' Baumann didn't see Ben turn back from Big Chill but in the flashback he still blames Ben. How does Baumann Ben did that!? And no, Ben fought DNAliens during Alien Force, Ultimate Alien is when he became world famous.

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* In Special Delivery, Ben destroys Mr. Baumann car. Mr. Baumann says that Ben always destroys his cars in the episode. The first time is when is 5 and he lights it on fire it with his magnifying glass. Second time round is when he's 10 11 years old and he destroys it using Way Big during a fight with Animo. This one makes less sense asto his claim, but then I remembered that Ben later became famous and Mr. Baumann originally thought it was just another one of those freak alien attacks that were happening all over the country(Which is usually the coverup Ben used in the original series), and I assume that he put 2 and 2 together later on when Ben was famous. Way Big just goes away and avoids the blame. My personal question has to do with the third one. 15-year-old Ben uses Big Chill and takes down a DNAlien... and freezes Mr. Baumann's car. Thing is, that Ben turned back ''immediately afterward.'' Baumann didn't see Ben turn back from Big Chill but in the flashback he still blames Ben. How does Baumann Ben did that!? And no, Ben fought DNAliens during Alien Force, Ultimate Alien is when he became world famous.
5th Dec '16 9:54:44 PM Manny20444
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* The new artstyle is supposed to be a hommage to the original series; yet, even the aliens and characters from that original show who had not changed so far were redesigned. Including Ben's aliens in the 10 years old flashback.

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* The new artstyle is supposed to be a hommage to the original series; yet, even the aliens and characters from that original show who had not changed so far were redesigned. Including Ben's aliens in the 10 11 years old flashback.



*** What I meant is Ben's face just look ridiculous now. It's actually borderline insult to the original show. I don't see how the Ultimate Aliens being gone is a tribute to the original show (granted, they weren't much use anyway, but that's not the point). Also, I don't remember Heatblast sounding like a grandpa in the original show. Again, if they wanted to pay tribute to the original show, why did they do as much, if not more change to the designs than AF ? The black lips are back for Wildmutt, sure, but Stinkfly looks different than before, and not just the 15 years old version.

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*** What I meant is Ben's face just look ridiculous now. It's actually borderline insult to the original show. I don't see how the Ultimate Aliens being gone is a tribute to the original show (granted, they weren't much use anyway, but that's not the point). Also, I don't remember Heatblast sounding like a grandpa in the original show. Again, if they wanted to pay tribute to the original show, why did they do as much, if not more change to the designs than AF ? The black lips are back for Wildmutt, sure, but Stinkfly looks different than before, and not just the 15 11 years old version.



*** What does the shooting laser thing has to do with ''designs''? At least in Ultimate Alien when they shew Stinkfly they tried their best to make him identical to the original. When we see 10 years old Stinkfly in Omniverse, they somehow felt it was required to change his mask. Like so many silly changes they made in the designs by the way (giving Alien X a LanternJawOfJustice, making Big Chill bulky...).

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*** What does the shooting laser thing has to do with ''designs''? At least in Ultimate Alien when they shew Stinkfly they tried their best to make him identical to the original. When we see 10 11 years old Stinkfly in Omniverse, they somehow felt it was required to change his mask. Like so many silly changes they made in the designs by the way (giving Alien X a LanternJawOfJustice, making Big Chill bulky...).
28th Oct '16 9:21:17 AM dlchen145
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** Ben has shown multiple times that he misses Gwen and Kevin so NostalgiaFilter is partially at play. It should also be noted that Rook actually hasn't been with Ben that long. In one of the first episodes of Omniverse Max says that Ben will be seventeen "in a few months." His birthday hasn't been shown or referenced since then and even if it was Rook still wouldn't have been working with Ben for that long (not even a full year.) Meanwhile he and Gwen have been working together since they were 10 and Kevin has been around for about a year and a half. It's understandable that Ben would consider them better partners due to both knowing them much longer and genuinely missing them. It's also understandable that the fake Ben had "Gwevin" rather than "a Rook" due to the fact that Rook hasn't been around long enough to have his time with Ben be twisted into that horrible show. While I can't deny that Rook is a BadAss I feel like you've overhyped his abilities and have forgotten that Gwen is a mixed-martial artist and that Kevin is a fairly decent street fighter. So basically all of this is understandable from an in-universe point of view and also from Ben's own point of view. Besides no one can deny that Ben is a little Tsundere towards Rook in a bromance sort of way.

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** Ben has shown multiple times that he misses Gwen and Kevin so NostalgiaFilter is partially at play. It should also be noted that Rook actually hasn't been with Ben that long. In one of the first episodes of Omniverse Max says that Ben will be seventeen "in a few months." His birthday hasn't been shown or referenced since then and even if it was Rook still wouldn't have been working with Ben for that long (not even a full year.) Meanwhile he and Gwen have been working together since they were 10 and Kevin has been around for about a year and a half. It's understandable that Ben would consider them better partners due to both knowing them much longer and genuinely missing them. It's also understandable that the fake Ben had "Gwevin" rather than "a Rook" due to the fact that Rook hasn't been around long enough to have his time with Ben be twisted into that horrible show. While I can't deny that Rook is a BadAss badass I feel like you've overhyped his abilities and have forgotten that Gwen is a mixed-martial artist and that Kevin is a fairly decent street fighter. So basically all of this is understandable from an in-universe point of view and also from Ben's own point of view. Besides no one can deny that Ben is a little Tsundere towards Rook in a bromance sort of way.
22nd Oct '16 1:42:04 PM BreadBull
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*** He's a jerk. He probably couldn't be bothered to, or somehow expects that everyone using it ''can'' be that gentle. In other words "Your fault, not my design choices".
10th Oct '16 2:33:19 PM Manny20444
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** The 16 years old Ben 10 is nicer, yes; the 10 years old one, on the other hand, acts even more obnoxious than before, especially in ''Trouble Helix''. I mean, just watch the episode; he outright tells Azmuth he messed up, keeps acting like an idiot even after seeing those Galvanic Mecamorphs being hurt, and mocks Gwen more than she does (in reverse to the situation in the original show). So yeah, TookALevelInJerkass.

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** The 16 years old Ben 10 is nicer, yes; the 10 11 years old one, on the other hand, acts even more obnoxious than before, especially in ''Trouble Helix''. I mean, just watch the episode; he outright tells Azmuth he messed up, keeps acting like an idiot even after seeing those Galvanic Mecamorphs being hurt, and mocks Gwen more than she does (in reverse to the situation in the original show). So yeah, TookALevelInJerkass.
22nd Sep '16 8:29:22 PM nombretomado
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* When the hell did Trumbipulor become so powerful?! In ''UltimateAlien'', Ben, Gwen and Kevin were enough to handle him, and he was so insignificant that he was only seen in {{Batman Cold Open}}s. And now out of nowhere, he is a GeniusBruiser who requires an entire group of Plumbers to be defeated? Did Ben become ''that'' [[BadassDecay incompetent]]?

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* When the hell did Trumbipulor become so powerful?! In ''UltimateAlien'', ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'', Ben, Gwen and Kevin were enough to handle him, and he was so insignificant that he was only seen in {{Batman Cold Open}}s. And now out of nowhere, he is a GeniusBruiser who requires an entire group of Plumbers to be defeated? Did Ben become ''that'' [[BadassDecay incompetent]]?



* A minor one, but why do Khyber's trophies include a Geochelone Aerio (Terraspin) shell ? I would expect a guy like [[EgomaniacHunter Khyber]] to hunt down dangerous, or at least hard to catch preys. By that logic, trophies such as [[AttackOfThe50FootWhatever Vauxasaurians]], [[TimeMaster Chronosapiens]], [[PileBunker Talpedeans]] or [[LeeroyJenkins Appoplexians]] do make sense, but Geochelone Aerio are clearly shown in UltimateAlien to be harmless, pacific and remarquably easy to catch (seriously, it took Aggregor like five secondes to get Galapagus). Why would Khyber think that hunting one of those would be entertaining?

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* A minor one, but why do Khyber's trophies include a Geochelone Aerio (Terraspin) shell ? I would expect a guy like [[EgomaniacHunter Khyber]] to hunt down dangerous, or at least hard to catch preys. By that logic, trophies such as [[AttackOfThe50FootWhatever Vauxasaurians]], [[TimeMaster Chronosapiens]], [[PileBunker Talpedeans]] or [[LeeroyJenkins Appoplexians]] do make sense, but Geochelone Aerio are clearly shown in UltimateAlien ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'' to be harmless, pacific and remarquably easy to catch (seriously, it took Aggregor like five secondes to get Galapagus). Why would Khyber think that hunting one of those would be entertaining?



** When the multiple timeline thing was introduced back in ''UltimateAlien'', the original Ben 10,000 was discussed as an example of an alternate timeline that existed in crosstime. He is unambiguously still around.

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** When the multiple timeline thing was introduced back in ''UltimateAlien'', ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien Ultimate Alien]]'', the original Ben 10,000 was discussed as an example of an alternate timeline that existed in crosstime. He is unambiguously still around.
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