History Headscratchers / BatmanMaskOfThePhantasm

25th Jul '17 12:25:09 PM SteveMB
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** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.

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** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.posed.
** Another possibility is that the bodyguards were afraid of the Joker, and either [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere outright refused to go]] or showed such obvious reluctance that Valestra offered to [[LineInTheSand let them stay behind]] in a (failed) attempt to shame them.
25th Jul '17 6:41:56 AM DoctorNemesis
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** It's also making it not just her revenge, but her father's revenge by proxy. Besides, as mentioned above, he's dead. It's not like anyone can throw him into jail for it.
22nd Jul '17 1:47:42 AM Luppercus
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** The invisibility tech actually makes sense, if you check the finale when Andrea and Joker disappear you can still hear the Joker's laugh while they are unseen, as if he's still nearby but invisible.
3rd Jul '17 7:09:27 PM Rodolphus
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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well known unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?

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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well known unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?him?
** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.
26th Jun '17 3:03:13 AM Dgon
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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well know unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?

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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well know known unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?
26th Jun '17 3:01:19 AM Dgon
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* If you see the scene carefully she does not overruns the plane, the jet catches with her and then passes her, but Batman jumps from the plane so obviously he has to make it go slower. The rest can be explain with technology seen in the series itself, her "teleporting" could be an adaptation of the same invisibility tech that we see in the episode of the invisible man and been bulletproof only requires to have a very good armor.

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* ** If you see the scene carefully she does not overruns the plane, the jet catches with her and then passes her, but Batman jumps from the plane so obviously he has to make it go slower. The rest can be explain with technology seen in the series itself, her "teleporting" could be an adaptation of the same invisibility tech that we see in the episode of the invisible man and been bulletproof only requires to have a very good armor.
26th Jun '17 3:00:41 AM Dgon
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* If you see the scene carefully she does not overruns the plane, the jet catches with her and then passes her, but Batman jumps from the plane so obviously he has to make it go slower. The rest can be explain with technology seen in the series itself, her "teleporting" could be an adaptation of the same invisibility tech that we see in the episode of the invisible man and been bulletproof only requires to have a very good armor.



** She may have felt that making her father's voice the last thing her victims heard added an extra touch to her revenge. There's also the ruthlessly pragmatic element of [[DeceasedFallGuyGambit blaming someone who is beyond consequences]].

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** She may have felt that making her father's voice the last thing her victims heard added an extra touch to her revenge. There's also the ruthlessly pragmatic element of [[DeceasedFallGuyGambit blaming someone who is beyond consequences]].consequences]].
* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well know unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?
26th Jun '17 2:32:15 AM Dgon
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** Well for the original question; should be remember that Harley appers until the Joker's Favor episode, there are like two episodes with the Joker without her, so if the movie happens before the series, then the Joker still hasn't met Harley (or hasn't turn her into her minion yet, as she use to be a doctor in Arkham). On the other hand Harley and the Joker do not end the series together, they split after Harlequinade, Harley seems to be in her way to rehabilitation in Harley's Holiday and the Joker openly says he has "a new girl" in his last episode on the series Make 'Em Laugh, so if the movie events happen after the series last episode (Batgirl's Return) as some fans believe, then again Harley is not with the Joker at that point. And yes both the next series The New Batman Adventures, the crossovers with Superman and the Batman Beyond movie Return of the Joker bring Harley back as his minion/lover, there are still time gaps where the Joker and Harley are separated that can explain her absent from the movie. About the other issue, remember that they already have the Batsignal in the movie so clearly Batman has been working with the police for a time. If the movie is a straight prequel then it can be too far before Leather Wings (the first episode), but the series finale theory make sense too, the events could be right after the ending of the first series. Maybe that's why Batman is so soar in The New Batman Adventures.

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** Well for the original question; should be remember remembered that Harley appers until the Joker's Favor episode, there are like two episodes with the Joker without her, so if the movie happens before the series, then the Joker still hasn't met Harley (or hasn't turn her into her minion yet, as she use to be a doctor in Arkham). On the other hand Harley and the Joker do not end the series together, they split after Harlequinade, Harley seems to be in her way to rehabilitation in Harley's Holiday and the Joker openly says he has "a new girl" in his last episode on the series Make 'Em Laugh, so if the movie events happen after the series last episode (Batgirl's Return) as some fans believe, then again Harley is not with the Joker at that point. And yes both the next series The New Batman Adventures, the crossovers with Superman and the Batman Beyond movie Return of the Joker bring Harley back as his minion/lover, there are still time gaps where the Joker and Harley are separated that can explain her absent absence from the movie. About the other issue, remember that they already have the Batsignal in the movie so clearly Batman has been working with the police for a time. If the movie is a straight prequel then it can can't be too far before Leather Wings (the first episode), but the series finale theory make sense too, the events could be right after the ending of the first series. Maybe that's why Batman is so soar in The New Batman Adventures.
26th Jun '17 2:30:02 AM Dgon
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** Well for the original question; should be remember that Harley appers until the Joker's Favor episode, there are like two episodes with the Joker without her, so if the movie happens before the series, then the Joker still hasn't met Harley (or hasn't turn her into her minion yet, as she use to be a doctor in Arkham). On the other hand Harley and the Joker do not end the series together, they split after Harlequinade, Harley seems to be in her way to rehabilitation in Harley's Holiday and the Joker openly says he has "a new girl" in his last episode on the series Make 'Em Laugh, so if the movie events happen after the series last episode (Batgirl's Return) as some fans believe, then again Harley is not with the Joker at that point. And yes both the next series The New Batman Adventures, the crossovers with Superman and the Batman Beyond movie Return of the Joker bring Harley back as his minion/lover, there are still time gaps where the Joker and Harley are separated that can explain her absent from the movie. About the other issue, remember that they already have the Batsignal in the movie so clearly Batman has been working with the police for a time. If the movie is a straight prequel then it can be too far before Leather Wings (the first episode), but the series finale theory make sense too, the events could be right after the ending of the first series. Maybe that's why Batman is so soar in The New Batman Adventures.
10th Feb '17 1:28:52 PM SteveMB
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** She probably blames him for what happened to her just as much as she wants to avenge him. She wants to make ''everyone'' who ruined her life with Bruce pay -- the mobsters that her father owed money to, the hitman who killed him, and even her father himself for dealing with them in the first place.

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** She probably blames him for what happened to her just as much as she wants to avenge him. She wants to make ''everyone'' who ruined her life with Bruce pay -- the mobsters that her father owed money to, the hitman who killed him, and even her father himself for dealing with them in the first place.place.
** She may have felt that making her father's voice the last thing her victims heard added an extra touch to her revenge. There's also the ruthlessly pragmatic element of [[DeceasedFallGuyGambit blaming someone who is beyond consequences]].
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