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20th Jul '17 10:16:09 PM AFP
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*** The novelization {{lampshades}} this. For that matter, the movie lampshades it too.
-->'''Sheridan''': I have ''got'' to be out of my mind.
25th Jun '17 10:51:43 AM nombretomado
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*** You're assuming they knew the sun was unstable beforehand. You're also assuming they prevented the Dilgar from evacuating their system and resettling in another once it became clear their sun was about to go nova. As far as I know there is no evidence the humans did anything to prevent the Dilgar from ''peacefully'' resettling their species in another unoccupied star system. (Admittedly the other races victimized by the Dilgar might have done this, but the point is the ''humans'' most likely did not.) Also, FWIW TheOtherWiki has a blurb saying a civilian colony of Dilgars survived the cataclysm, though it is unsourced for the moment. And again, the point is that while humans do have their flaws, they are at least ''trying'' to correct them. Humanity does have its bigots, but those beliefs are not universal among humans (it may not even be the majority), and the non-bigotted humans have no problem loudly speaking out against them. Other races try to sweep their bigots under the rug (like the Minbari) or outright embrace their bigots (like the Centauri, the Narn, the Drazi, and pretty much all the other races). Humanity does have its struggles with corrupt and totalitarian government, but may I remind you that humanity was deeply divided about Clark's regime and they fought a very bloody civil war to overthrow him because they knew his regime was evil and wrong. Most of the other races don't even seem to care about corruption or totalitarianism in their species' government. Londo didn't decide to assassinate Cartagia because he thought Cartagia's regime was evil or he felt bad about persecuting the Narns. He did it because he was afraid Cartagia's insanity would cause the destruction of Centauri Prime. Delenn admittedly did try to fix the Minbari government when the warrior caste got out of control, but only because they posed a direct threat to her as a member of the religious caste. And even then, she still sat idly by for ''years'' as the tension built up between the castes. Ironically, it seems that of all the non-human races, the one that comes off looking the best are the Pak'ma'ra. You never hear about any Pak'ma'ra atrocities or corruption in the Pak'ma'ra government. You never hear of the Pak'ma'ra posing a threat to anyone or acting aggressively toward other species.

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*** You're assuming they knew the sun was unstable beforehand. You're also assuming they prevented the Dilgar from evacuating their system and resettling in another once it became clear their sun was about to go nova. As far as I know there is no evidence the humans did anything to prevent the Dilgar from ''peacefully'' resettling their species in another unoccupied star system. (Admittedly the other races victimized by the Dilgar might have done this, but the point is the ''humans'' most likely did not.) Also, FWIW TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki has a blurb saying a civilian colony of Dilgars survived the cataclysm, though it is unsourced for the moment. And again, the point is that while humans do have their flaws, they are at least ''trying'' to correct them. Humanity does have its bigots, but those beliefs are not universal among humans (it may not even be the majority), and the non-bigotted humans have no problem loudly speaking out against them. Other races try to sweep their bigots under the rug (like the Minbari) or outright embrace their bigots (like the Centauri, the Narn, the Drazi, and pretty much all the other races). Humanity does have its struggles with corrupt and totalitarian government, but may I remind you that humanity was deeply divided about Clark's regime and they fought a very bloody civil war to overthrow him because they knew his regime was evil and wrong. Most of the other races don't even seem to care about corruption or totalitarianism in their species' government. Londo didn't decide to assassinate Cartagia because he thought Cartagia's regime was evil or he felt bad about persecuting the Narns. He did it because he was afraid Cartagia's insanity would cause the destruction of Centauri Prime. Delenn admittedly did try to fix the Minbari government when the warrior caste got out of control, but only because they posed a direct threat to her as a member of the religious caste. And even then, she still sat idly by for ''years'' as the tension built up between the castes. Ironically, it seems that of all the non-human races, the one that comes off looking the best are the Pak'ma'ra. You never hear about any Pak'ma'ra atrocities or corruption in the Pak'ma'ra government. You never hear of the Pak'ma'ra posing a threat to anyone or acting aggressively toward other species.
22nd Jun '17 2:12:23 PM ErikModi
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* Why'd it take so long for Earth to forbid people from traveling to Babylon 5? The station declared itself independent from Earth in mid-Season 3, and actually exchanged fire with and shot down Earth Force ships. By most standards, that's high treason, and should make them a full fledged enemy of the state. Yet, apparently, Earth civilians could still travel freely to and from Babylon 5 until well into the fourth season. ''Any'' government allowing that seems implausible, but a fascistic government that's imposed martial law on all its territories? How the hell did they allow ''that''?

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* Why'd it take so long for Earth to forbid people from traveling to Babylon 5? The station declared itself independent from Earth in mid-Season 3, and actually exchanged fire with and shot down Earth Force ships. By most standards, that's high treason, and should make them a full fledged enemy of the state. Yet, apparently, Earth civilians could still travel freely to and from Babylon 5 until well into the fourth season. ''Any'' government allowing that seems implausible, but a fascistic government that's imposed martial law on all its territories? How the hell did they allow ''that''?''that''?
** Clarke had bigger fish to fry consolidating his power base closer to home, it was shown that [=EarthGov=] and elements thereof were fairly routinely sneaking spies and informants onto the station to keep an eye on what Sheridan was doing. Also, Clarke was firmly in the pocket of the Shadows, who probably wanted to keep traffic open so that they had another window into the nucleus of the enemy headquarters.
22nd Jun '17 12:35:56 PM ErikModi
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** There's also the point that the Vorlons and Shadows were ''specifically'' fighting over their influence with the younger races, as part of their mission to guide and teach them. Sheridan really hit them with a one-two punch: first, destroying a large number of both Shadow and Vorlon ships, proving to them that the younger races can meet them on a not-level playing field and still give them at least a bloody nose, thus they no longer need the guidance of the First Ones; and then telling them that the younger races aren't going to participate in this philosophical pissing contest anymore, refusing to be proxies for the Vorlons and Shadows shouting match with a side of genocide. Then, to cap off this combo, Sheridan has Lorien, strongly implied to be the one who ''gave'' the Vorlons and Shadows their "stay behind and guide" mission in the first place, to tell them "Right, the job is done, let's call it day."
5th Jan '17 10:43:45 AM gothelittle
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** When Earth first started getting out into space and 'playing with the big boys', they involved themselves in the Dilgar War. This left them getting a bit 'big for their britches' and making a stupid mistake that brought on the Earth-Minbari War. Dr. Franklin started medical school just a couple of years after the Dilgar War ended, and his focus has always been xenobiology. It makes sense that he might not recognize her as a Dilgar initially but, once he's identified her as one, he can guess at her age from her appearance.
5th Jan '17 10:09:26 AM gothelittle
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** The way this was done, granted, we never saw or heard from her again, and JMS has taught us to doubt what seem to be certainties (in this case, "so she was taken and dissected and that was that"). One could very likely write a full-out fanfiction about her Ironheart-enhanced personality's slow flight to overcome the planted personality, a flight from the Psi Corps, a new challenge, perhaps joining the effort to hide telepaths or going out in search of Ironheart herself, and have it not contradict a word of canon. Perhaps the implanted personality is defeated, or maybe it continues to fight and neither side regain full autonomy, or maybe one or the other side slowly subdues the other long enough to live and die. Write it well enough, and JMS might even agree to include it as canon. Or we can each write our favorite fates for her in our own heads. Nothing in the series demands that Ironheart-enhanced Talia never came back.
30th Nov '16 11:29:09 AM RavenWilder
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* Why'd it take so long for Earth to forbid people traveling to Babylon 5? The station declared itself independent from Earth in mid-Season 3, and actually exchanged fire with and shot down Earth Force ships. By most standards, that's high treason, and should make them a full fledged enemy of the state. Yet, apparently, Earth civilians could still travel freely to and from Babylon 5 until well into the fourth season. ''Any'' government allowing that seems implausible, but a fascistic government that's imposed martial law on all its territories? How the hell did they allow ''that''?

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* Why'd it take so long for Earth to forbid people from traveling to Babylon 5? The station declared itself independent from Earth in mid-Season 3, and actually exchanged fire with and shot down Earth Force ships. By most standards, that's high treason, and should make them a full fledged enemy of the state. Yet, apparently, Earth civilians could still travel freely to and from Babylon 5 until well into the fourth season. ''Any'' government allowing that seems implausible, but a fascistic government that's imposed martial law on all its territories? How the hell did they allow ''that''?
30th Nov '16 11:28:35 AM RavenWilder
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** Because it would have shortened the lifespan of anyone who used it to give him extra time. Sheridan isn't going to accept an extension of his life at the cost of his friends'. He didn't even consider using it to save the life of Ivannova, his best friend and closest human ally. He considered the technology too dangerous to use, even for personal benefit. As far as he's concerned he died at Za'Ha'Dhum and the twenty years Lorien gave him are extra and he's made peace with that. Besides, if Lorien can't extend his life any longer it's unlikely a piece of tech built by an even more primitive race could.

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** Because it would have shortened the lifespan of anyone who used it to give him extra time. Sheridan isn't going to accept an extension of his life at the cost of his friends'. He didn't even consider using it to save the life of Ivannova, his best friend and closest human ally. He considered the technology too dangerous to use, even for personal benefit. As far as he's concerned he died at Za'Ha'Dhum and the twenty years Lorien gave him are extra and he's made peace with that. Besides, if Lorien can't extend his life any longer it's unlikely a piece of tech built by an even more primitive race could.could.
* Why'd it take so long for Earth to forbid people traveling to Babylon 5? The station declared itself independent from Earth in mid-Season 3, and actually exchanged fire with and shot down Earth Force ships. By most standards, that's high treason, and should make them a full fledged enemy of the state. Yet, apparently, Earth civilians could still travel freely to and from Babylon 5 until well into the fourth season. ''Any'' government allowing that seems implausible, but a fascistic government that's imposed martial law on all its territories? How the hell did they allow ''that''?
27th May '16 9:58:41 PM Erzengel
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*** The problem with trying to use Newton's first law as an explanation is that it doesn't work so well in orbit. When you're orbiting a planet, you're constantly under the effect of an outside force -- the planet's gravity. Assuming they aren't held to each other by some sort of field (force field, magnetic field, quantum levitation, whatever), then each strut would have its own orbit; its own inclination, its own eccentricity, its own periapsis and its own apoapsis. Without some sort of control thrusters, they would drift apart or together very quickly, and with control thrusters they would use a ''lot'' of fuel to maintain relative position. The important thing to keep in mind is that when you're closer to the planet, you're traveling faster, and the higher your inclination the further away from the equator you'll go (non-linearly). If you want to see it in action, build it in VideoGame/KerbalSpaceProgram and watch the pieces spread apart and then close together only to spread apart again over time. This is why you generally try to keep objects far away from each other in orbit, unless you're trying to dock (which is to say, intentionally trying to collide with another object), because orbital dynamics are hard.
25th Apr '16 4:52:44 PM saatii
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*** They don't need trigger guards as they can't be fired without turning them on (BZZZT).
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