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14th Jan '16 10:41:57 AM Emperor_Oshron
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*** Threepio could be considered something of an inheritance to Anakin since his mother, who would be Threepio's actual owner since he left Tatooine ten years ago, or alternatively just going back to his proper owner. Cleigg likely wouldn't have been too bent up over it in any case since Anakin ''was'' family, now.

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*** The last time Owen saw Threepio, he didn't have his gold finish. If ''The Clone Wars'' is any indication, most people in the galaxy don't see droids as individuals and consider most of them replaceable. There's also only so many combinations of letters and numbers that could be used for droid designations in a galaxy of quintillions, so it'd be reasonable to assume that if Owen ''did'' recognize Threepio's designation, he might assume that it was just another protocol droid with the same designation.
25th Dec '15 9:11:45 AM Dragon101
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*** As a side note, the way events play out in the film, Dooku can claim that the Jedi had secretly built a clone army and invaded Geonosis while he and the leaders of his Separatist movement were convening (and any claims that they were about to murder two Jedi and a Senator and of course a dirty lie); this can be used to recruit more systems to his cause ''and'' blacken the Jedi name...just as the Sith planned all along.
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*** As ***As a side note, the way events play out in the film, Dooku can claim that the Jedi had secretly built a clone army and invaded Geonosis while he and the leaders of his Separatist movement were convening (and any claims that they were about to murder two Jedi and a Senator and of course a dirty lie); this can be used to recruit more systems to his cause ''and'' blacken the Jedi name...just as the Sith planned all along.

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*** As a side note, the way events play ** Windu and Dooku are old comrades; Windu even spoke up for him when Padme accused Dooku of trying to kill her, saying "It's not in his character". Basically, he's pissed off at his old friend turning out to be a traitorous, murdering bastard, but not ''quite'' pissed off enough to stab him in the film, Dooku can claim that the Jedi had secretly built a clone army and invaded Geonosis while he and the leaders of his Separatist movement were convening (and any claims that they were about to murder two Jedi and a Senator and of course a dirty lie); this can be used to recruit more systems to his cause ''and'' blacken the Jedi name...just as the Sith planned all along. back.
25th Dec '15 9:06:10 AM Dragon101
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***As a side note, the way events play out in the film, Dooku can claim that the Jedi had secretly built a clone army and invaded Geonosis while he and the leaders of his Separatist movement were convening (and any claims that they were about to murder two Jedi and a Senator and of course a dirty lie); this can be used to recruit more systems to his cause ''and'' blacken the Jedi name...just as the Sith planned all along.
25th Dec '15 7:35:18 AM Dragon101
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* At the end of "Attack of the Clones", Dooku meets Sidious at his secret hideout in Coruscant. Dooku is standing very close to the parading clones. Um, why is standing in full view of hundreds of Republic soldiers? Also, why don't the Clones notice him standing there? * What? What are you talking about? There wasn't a clone trooper within miles of Count Dooku. Sidious's hideout is in the middle of an almost completely abandoned industrial area. The clones were marching at some kind of airfield. Dooku is nowhere to be seen. ** Those two scenes aren't even occuring at the same time or place... ** Agreed. The Dooku/Sidious scene happened at least two-three scenes before the clone march thing.

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** Many of Gurnays' aides who were "in the know" were likely killed when Anakin blew up the Federation ship. Beyond that, perhaps the Jedi simply weren't allowed to interrogate him (they are peacekeepers, but that doesn't mean they are police) and even if they are, either he or Sidious and / or their lawyers could have stepped in to stop that. Ultimately it is likely that Sidious got to him first and made sure Gunray and everyone else knew they should much more afraid of ''him'' than they are of any Jedi. All Gunray had to do was keep quiet and all his legal team had to do was make sure the Jedi were kept as far away from him as possible (with the secret and unknown help of the Supreme Chancellor / Dark Lord of the Sith). Gunray had four trials and still not only escaped justice, but kept his old job; it is likely that after the first one (and possibly even before that) some judge gave him permission to go back to his homeward while most of the legal proceedings played out- the sort of thing that happens with sufficiently wealthy, powerful and well-connected corrupt corporate suspects all the time.
25th Dec '15 7:07:20 AM Dragon101
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*** The Jedi are not suspicious of Palpatine until the 3rd film, after he is still in office despite his legal term being up (Yoda might be suspicious in this film, but it's more of a "something not right about this guy" sort of suspicion; nothing concrete). They realise at the end of the movie that a war between the Republic and the Separatists was exactly what the Sith wanted, but to what end they don't know. Palpatine might be the most obvious suspect, but without proof there is no reason to suspect him much more than anyone else (in the ''Legends'' novels it is mentioned that they think he might be a pawn), especially since they are regularly in meetings with him and they never once sense the Dark Side in him (a testament to his skill more than anything else). Basically, the Jedi ''do'' realise that they have been had, but they don't know the endgame now the mastermind and it doesn't matter since if they don't play along and fight the war with the Clone army, the Republic will just find different, less capable commanders and possibly the Separatists will slaughter everyone regardless. They ''have'' to fight this war, which hampers their freedom to investigate what is ''really'' going on. Plus as stated, for all they know the clone army was originally meant to be used by Dooku and they just got lucky, even if they doubt that is true.
22nd Dec '15 4:05:52 PM sonicsuns3
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** What was his strategy? It's very simple: Call up the separatist leaders and ''command them to lose''. He's in charge of both armies (via proxies). He can just ''tell'' them what to do.
22nd Dec '15 4:02:25 PM sonicsuns3
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** I always just assumed that the guy was ''highly'' suggestible at the time, because he himself was already high on death sticks. So the command to "rethink your life" would only last till he came down from the high, at which point his normal personality would return. So the Jedi ''can't'' cause criminals to reform at a whim. The mind tricks only have a short-term effect.
17th Dec '15 11:27:13 AM kyeo
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* The presence of [=C3P0=] on the Lars's farm raises two questions: **1) Did Anakin basically steal Threepio from Clegg? Granted, the droid was Anakin's originally, but one would think it would necessitate some conversation between Anakin and Clegg if the former wanted to take the droid with him. Particularly since we know from ANH that a translator is a pretty essential requirement to run a moisture farm. **2) And this is the big one; ''how in the hell does Owen not remember Threepio''? It's never stated how long Shmi lived on the Lars homestead, but it must have been at least a few years, given that it was long enough for her and Clegg to fall in love and get married. So presumably Threepio would have been hanging around for several years of Owen's childhood. Given that, how is it that when he buys Threepio from the Jawas twenty years later, he doesn't even give the slightest blink of recognition when Threepio introduces himself? Did Owen get mindwiped too?
30th Nov '15 9:31:51 AM MrDeath
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** He probably never told them about the slaughter, and Padme wouldn't have, either. The Jedi aren't mind-readers -- they might sense emotion, but that would be easily explained by him finding his mother dead. When he was knighted, it was years later during the war, long after it would still be on his mind.
30th Nov '15 9:07:41 AM SolidSonicTH
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*** He also shows ridiculous arrogance about his betters, claiming to be more powerful than Obi Wan and Yoda in some respects. He seems to resent authority with a passion, best typified after his mother's death when he says he should be all-powerful.
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*** He also shows ridiculous arrogance about his betters, claiming to be more powerful than Obi Wan and Yoda in some respects. He seems to resent authority with a passion, passion[[note]]Which is sensible to a degree, coming from the life of a slave.[[/note]], best typified after his mother's death when he says he should be all-powerful.
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