History Headscratchers / AttackOfTheClones

10th Dec '17 8:16:49 AM costanton11
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* Padme mourning Corde makes little sense. As [[WebVideo/HowItShouldHaveEnded]] pointed out, Corde taking the proverbial bullet for Padme is exactly why her job as a decoy existed.

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* Padme mourning Corde makes little sense. As [[WebVideo/HowItShouldHaveEnded]] pointed out, Corde taking the proverbial bullet for Padme is exactly why her job as a decoy existed.existed.
** Even if her job was to take the bullet, Padme would still be sad that she died. The bigger question is how could Corde say that she failed?
9th Dec '17 6:46:04 PM BNSF1995
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*** They're inconsistent because entirely different people planned, wrote, and published them. That's why it is frivolous to apply anything in the Expanded canon to the Traditional canon, as the Traditional was never written with the Expanded in mind, and the Expanded tends to act like anything in the Traditional didn't happen or, at the very least, is only one version of the events.

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*** They're inconsistent because entirely different people planned, wrote, and published them. That's why it is frivolous to apply anything in the Expanded canon to the Traditional canon, as the Traditional was never written with the Expanded in mind, and the Expanded tends to act like anything in the Traditional didn't happen or, at the very least, is only one version of the events.events.
* Padme mourning Corde makes little sense. As [[WebVideo/HowItShouldHaveEnded]] pointed out, Corde taking the proverbial bullet for Padme is exactly why her job as a decoy existed.
2nd Dec '17 8:20:05 AM ErikModi
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** Real life fencing foils and the like frequently have "pistol" grips instead of straight handles, or a curved handle, to facilitate the kind of wrist movements the style is designed for. Dooku's chosen Lightsaber Form is closer to traditional fencing (since Christopher Lee himself is an accomplished stage fencer), so the design is made to reinforce that connection.
26th Nov '17 8:15:27 AM costanton11
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*** He can't sell it to the Separatists because Dooku, the leader of the Separatists, already knows that he's the template for the Clone Army- he's the guy who ''hired'' him for it. Really, it's not even a secret- both sides know after the movie that Jango is the one the Clone Army is based on, and they know that it was commissioned by Jedi. Assume the Jedi was Dooku (which it was, though Sifo Dyas played a part) and you could rationalize it as "Dooku secretly made a commission for the army in the name of the Republic, but secretly it was for the Separatists". If you are a Separatist, it looks like Dooku's secret "ace in the hole" that he never bothered telling you about and that was stolen from him by the Jedi; if you are with the Republic, it looks like you snatched the army from right under the nose of Count Dooku, or whoever they think Tyrannus might be. Aside from that, you fail to understand the character of Jango Fett- he isn't in it for the money, he isn't in it to retire, he is in it fighting and hunting are his ''life'', which is exemplified by the existence of Boba Fett in the first place: to carry on his legacy. So, firstly, he can't sell it to the Separatists because the guy he'd sell it to is Dooku (who knows), or he sells it to Gunray et al behind Dookus' back (which he won't do because he still works for Dooku and that is a betrayal of contract, not to mention it risks making an enemy of Dooku if he finds out), and secondly he ''doesn't care'' about any of this, because money isn't the main motivator for him- the way of life and the professionalism that goes with it is.

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*** He can't sell it to the Separatists because Dooku, the leader of the Separatists, already knows that he's the template for the Clone Army- he's the guy who ''hired'' him for it. Really, it's not even a secret- both sides know after the movie that Jango is the one the Clone Army is based on, and they know that it was commissioned by Jedi. Assume the Jedi was Dooku (which it was, though Sifo Dyas played a part) and you could rationalize it as "Dooku secretly made a commission for the army in the name of the Republic, but secretly it was for the Separatists". If you are a Separatist, it looks like Dooku's secret "ace in the hole" that he never bothered telling you about and that was stolen from him by the Jedi; if you are with the Republic, it looks like you snatched the army from right under the nose of Count Dooku, or whoever they think Tyrannus might be. Aside from that, you fail to understand the character of Jango Fett- he isn't in it for the money, he isn't in it to retire, he is in it fighting and hunting are his ''life'', which is exemplified by the existence of Boba Fett in the first place: to carry on his legacy. So, firstly, he can't sell it to the Separatists because the guy he'd sell it to is Dooku (who knows), or he sells it to Gunray et al behind Dookus' Dooku's' back (which he won't do because he still works for Dooku and that is a betrayal of contract, not to mention it risks making an enemy of Dooku if he finds out), and secondly he ''doesn't care'' about any of this, because money isn't the main motivator for him- the way of life and the professionalism that goes with it is.



** 1) Did Anakin basically steal Threepio from Clegg? Granted, the droid was Anakin's originally, but one would think it would necessitate some conversation between Anakin and Clegg if the former wanted to take the droid with him. Particularly since we know from ANH that a translator is a pretty essential requirement to run a moisture farm.
*** Threepio could be considered something of an inheritance to Anakin since his mother, who would be Threepio's actual owner since he left Tatooine ten years ago, or alternatively just going back to his proper owner. Cleigg likely wouldn't have been too bent up over it in any case since Anakin ''was'' family, now.

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** 1) Did Anakin basically steal Threepio from Clegg? Cliegg? Granted, the droid was Anakin's originally, but one would think it would necessitate some conversation between Anakin and Clegg Cliegg if the former wanted to take the droid with him. Particularly since we know from ANH that a translator is a pretty essential requirement to run a moisture farm.
*** Threepio could be considered something of an inheritance to Anakin since his mother, who would be Threepio's actual owner since he left Tatooine ten years ago, or alternatively just going back to his proper owner. Cleigg Cliegg likely wouldn't have been too bent up over it in any case since Anakin ''was'' family, now.



** Was it a pact to make the clones, kill Padme, or to make that Death Star that we saw in that blueprint for 30 seconds? Unless I wasn't paying attention to the dialogue, I might have missed that detail. I thought the order was for the Senate to authorize the clones, and the confusing dialogue made me believe that the Sepratists did not make the clones.

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** Was it a pact to make the clones, kill Padme, or to make that Death Star that we saw in that blueprint for 30 seconds? Unless I wasn't paying attention to the dialogue, I might have missed that detail. I thought the order was for the Senate to authorize the clones, and the confusing dialogue made me believe that the Sepratists Separatists did not make the clones.



** "The Separatists have made a pact with the Trade Federation," is basically the point he was making with that phrase. Padme herself earlier says that, if it comes to war, the Separatists will likely turn to the trade federations and commerce guilds for help (since, apparently, they all have standing droid armies or somesuch). So Jar-Jar is pointing out that this has, in fact, happened, and now the Separatists, dismissed as "political idealists," have the capability to employ military force against the Republic, which has no military at all. Thus, the Senate needs to give Palpatine Emergency Powers so he can raise an army ''right now'' to keep the Separatists from curb-stomping the Republic.

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** "The Separatists have made a pact with the Trade Federation," is basically the point he was making with that phrase. Padme herself earlier says that, if it comes to war, the Separatists will likely turn to the trade federations and commerce guilds for help (since, apparently, they all have standing droid armies or somesuch).some such). So Jar-Jar is pointing out that this has, in fact, happened, and now the Separatists, dismissed as "political idealists," have the capability to employ military force against the Republic, which has no military at all. Thus, the Senate needs to give Palpatine Emergency Powers so he can raise an army ''right now'' to keep the Separatists from curb-stomping the Republic.



* This isn't a plothole question but what purpose does Count Dooku's lightsaber being curved serve in combat?

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* This isn't a plothole plot hole question but what purpose does Count Dooku's lightsaber being curved serve in combat?



** There are planetary defence forces. Even Naboo has a volunteer army and air force. Given there hasn't been an interstellar war since the formation of the Republic, presumably they are enough to keep the peace at a local level without the need for a Galactic military.

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** There are planetary defence defense forces. Even Naboo has a volunteer army and air force. Given there hasn't been an interstellar war since the formation of the Republic, presumably they are enough to keep the peace at a local level without the need for a Galactic military.military.
* Anyone tell me why the Jedi simply did not just use the force? There were apparently thousands of them on one side of the arena, while the droids attacked from the other side. It seems much easier to get the Jedi lined up, and to use the force, perhaps force push. That way no Jedi would die, the droids would all be force pushed into the wall behind, and would therefore block the entrances where they entered. The sheer power of thousands of Jedi using the force would crush the droids, and even the other Jedi could move out and hack the droids to pieces. It just seemed to me that the Jedi took the route of defeating the droids so that as many Jedi as possible would end up in body bags. Mace Windu was seen in the clone wars cartoon to take out a droid army by himself. Why didn't the Jedi just do that?
** First of all, the cartoon exaggerates things. A lot. As powerful as the Jedi are, I have a hard time imagining them capable of taking out an army of that size alone. Secondly, use of the Force requires concentration. If you're right in the heat of battle, why waste time trying to concentrate on a Force push with enemies on all sides, when a lightsaber can take them out just as easily and protect you from laser fire? Finally, at this time in the Star Wars universe, there hadn't been any major enemies for the Jedi to fight en massé for quite some time. They were simply out of practice.
** "Thousands?" Are we watching the same movie here, because there were less than a hundred of them in that battle. Also, the droids were coming from every direction in the arena, as were the Jedi, and it very quickly devolved into an unstructured melee.
*** Actually, it was 200, give or take a dozen or so.
* Why is Obi-Wan such a shitty detective? Shouldn't Jedi have a better understanding of "motives"? In "Attack of the Clones" he states that there seems to be no motive for the Kaminoans to kill Padme. Well, they were offered a shit load of money to create an army for the Republic. And she was speaking out against the creation of such an army. If she managed to convince everyone then the Kaminoans would just have to kiss all that money goodbye. Not to mention all that they already spent creating all those clones. Seems like a perfect motive for murder to me.
** I would imagine that most Jedi would have absolutely crap detective skills considering they're raised as monks.
*** So, what, they enforce peace and justice throughout the galaxy handing out traffic tickets?
*** That and stabbing people.
** Hadn't they already been paid for the army?
*** Yes, but if there's one thing a defense contractor loves more than getting paid huge sums of money to build something, it's getting paid huge sums of money to build even more of it after they've already worked the bugs out of production.
** "No motive" could have been shorthand for Obi-Wan saying that he sensed no motive there... reasonably enough, as the Kaminoans are being entirely open with him. After arriving, he almost instantly fixes on the one person on the planet who's hiding something and is worth interrogating. Jedi aren't necessarily trained in detective work because they can achieve similar results through pure instinct, with their weak area being cases where everybody's guilty - such as politics.
** Getting back to the main point, it wasn't actually the Kaminoans who placed the bounty, it was Dooku (in order to get the Trade Federation into the CIS), Kamino was just where Fett happened to be staying.
** Plus, the Kaminoans don't really seem to even know what's going on with the Senate, or the Jedi. As far as they know the Republic is all set to get its new army and everyone's happy.
* Death sticks? Seriously, ''death sticks?'' Was the [I'm assuming it's a Hutt, they run organized crime] Hutt who named that particular illegal substance on some really, really bad spice or something? I mean, public relations and marketing, man...
** Slang.
*** Yeah, but that doesn't sound like a "street name", like crack, pixie dust, blow, Mary Jane, LSD... all of which make the drug either no worse or sound better. It sounds like it'd, kinda, you know, push away potential customers.
*** ''Crack'' sounds like something you want to try? Absurd names are common everywhere.
* Why exactly is there even a war between the separatists and the Republic in the prequel saga? Does this civilized, benevolent (though sclerotic) Republic really have no concept of something as basic as self-determination? There are very few advanced democracies in our world that would forcibly integrate secessionist provinces in the modern era. Quebec is a good example, the people had a referendum and decided that they would remain a part of Canada, the Canadians didn't just occupy the place when the Quebecois started talking about wanting to leave. What moral justification does the Republic have for forcibly re-integrating these planets? (And PLEASE don't bring up the American Civil War, as that was 100 years ago, there was a moral issue, and America was not a democracy as we would define it today.)
** The Republic didn't declare war until Obi-Wan reported back that he'd overheard Dooku's conference, where he specifically stated that they were going to use the droid army to attack the Republic. In other words, it was self defense.
** In addition the Republic was perfectly willing to allow some planets to secede peacefully (although they did everything in their power to prevent it, including sending Jedi to each hotspot) until it became clear that the seceding planets were going to attack the Republic. See The Approaching Storm where Obi-Wan and another Jedi (along with their padawans) are dispatched to try and prevent a planet from leaving the Republic through peaceful means, and it's mentioned that if the planet votes to leave the Republic will let it.
** Did you even watch the movies? The separatists are the ones that started the war. In TPM, it was the Trade Federation that held the blockade on Naboo. In AOTC, the Geonosians were putting Jedi in gladiatorial arenas to be killed, and they're only crime was just visiting the planet. If the separatists were civilized about what they did, then perhaps the Republic would've listened to them and resolved it peacefully. However, the CIS's first order of business was to kill two Jedi and a senator.
*** Obi-Wan and Anakin were sneaking around inside secret government facilities, that could hardly be considered 'just visiting'. About the best you can say for the Republic is that they were reacting in self-defense (sort of), but it does look an awful lot like the start of the Six-Day-War.
** Why shouldn't we bring up the American Civil War? It seems extremely applicable to me. The American Civil War officially began when Confederate forces attacked Fort Sumter, forcing the Union to strike back against them. Similarly, the Republic Civil War began when the Republic found out about a pending attack by the Separatists, not to mention the profoundly stupid action of attempting to ''assassinate'' two Jedi and a Republic Senator.
* Jango claims that he was recruited by "a man called Tyrannus" to be the template for the Clone Army. Tyrannus is of course, Dooku's Sith name. So why, later on, when the clones are attacking Geonosis, does Dooku ask how the Republic assembled an army so quickly? That's what happens when you leave the army you commissioned ten years ago lying around Count.
** Wasn't he just playing dumb? If anybody on either side of the war realized it was nothing more than a game to gain support for Palpatine to become ultimate ruler, then the Sith would be in big trouble.
** This troper figured it was because Dooku didn't count on the Jedi discovering the secret army so fast. It's not like he left signs around the Temple saying, "GO HERE, GET ARMY!"
*** Except that Dooku pretty much already knew they'd found it, what with Fett turning up, followed not long after by Obi-Wan.
* Several questions involving the Padme assassination plot:
** Why did Padme sleep in a room with a huge window despite being targeted?
*** It was a ploy on her part to draw out the killer. Anakin said so himself. She had two Jedi sensing everything that was happening in the room.
*** And Obi-Wan went along with this insane idea despite being in charge of her security and opposed to the idea of assassin-hunting because...?
*** He ''didn't'' go along with it. He stepped out to check on the building's security and by the time he got back, Padme and Anakin had already planned things out. He even states that it's too risky, but probably ultimately agreed reluctantly. Remember, both he and Anakin could sense what was happening in the room and we clearly see it pay off when they sense the insects.
*** So a Master Jedi and a chief bodyguard allowed his apprentice and his defendee to plan out an obviously flawed defense strategy and didn't insist (if necessarily, enforced) that the things are done the right way because...? As for their keen senses, if Jango and Zam weren't such dumbheads and armed the droid with a gun or explosives, their senses would've done squat.
** Why wasn't anybody or anything patrolling the exterior of the building and why wasn't there any outer surveillance over the Senator's room?
*** Again, probably part of Padme's plan. Patrolling guards would discourage the assassin from trying. She felt safe enough with two Jedi watching out for her.
** How could R2-D2 not see a droid cutting a hole in the window?
*** R2-D2 was using laser grid sensor, not the camera thing. This allowed him to survey the entire room at once, with the drawback of missing small things, like poisonous bugs.
*** And he didn't use both a sensor and ''and'' a camera because...? Besides, "little things" he missed were not bugs - it was an effing robot cutting an effing hole in the effing window!
*** We don't know the camera would've been effective in that lighting; keep in mind that room is much darker than what we see on account of we're the audience.
*** I doubt that a room with lighted by a huge bustling city through a semi-shaded top-to-floor window would've been especially dark, but regardless, were there no night-vision optics in that wretched universe? R2-D2 could lack those but we're talking about pre-planned security measures and they didn't care about efficient surveillance? And please, don't mention that "draw-out plan", it's not funny any more.
*** It probably wouldn't make sense to blind R2, but the plan itself is just kinda part of the movie. Obi-Wan actually calls Anakin out on it. So...no, that isn't a joke. Anyway, as the thinking goes, why bother when you have that laser grid sensor? They weren't exactly counting on death by bug, and you can't honestly say you would've expected that in that situation.
*** When you're in charge and you don't like what your subordinate/dependents are doing, you don't "call them out" or some shit like that - you ''force'' them to do what's right. As to "why bother" - because that effing grid didn't allow R2-D2 to watch over the effing window! Seriously, how else an assassin was supposed to attack if not through the window?
** Why did Jango need an accomplice for? Neither he nor her were involved in the plan personally, so what's the point?
*** If you're gonna break the law, it doesn't hurt to have someone else do it for you.
*** "Breaking the law" on her part consisted in purchasing a droid, receiving a can of worms from Jango, putting it into the droid and programming it with a delivery mission. Which exactly part of this devious plan Jango couldn't carry out personally without risk of compromise? Since Jango'd already obtained the much more conspicuous venomous worms, I doubt he'd get into much trouble with humble droid. He only had to add that magic "droid self-destructs" part into the plan and Jedi would've been left with no leads whatsoever.
** Why did they use such an impossibly convoluted and unreliable weapon as venomous centipedes? Why not equip the droid with a gun, a missile or poison gas? Hell, use a bigger droid and ram the window and then have the droid explode!
*** A gun or a missile would have attracted attention. Even if Padme was killed, the Jedi would have been alerted and Jango would risk capture. Poison gas would have taken longer, they probably wanted to be as quick as possible.
*** Attracted attention HOW? Droid comes, droid shoots (even if they don't have silenced weapons, it could use one of those wonderful darts), droid self-destroys. Done. Padme is dead, no evidences, no leads, Jedi are in shit.
*** C'mon, RuleOfCool. This is Star Wars, remember?
*** Yeah, I do! And I also remember that in 99,9% of Star Wars cases Rule Of Cool means StuffBlowingUp and FrickinLaserBeams. And for a good reason - those things WORK. All the time. Even sometimes on Jedi. The venomous centipedes don't. And they're gross.
** How did they know where Padme's room was?
*** She's former queen and Republic senator, her home is probably a well known location.
*** And Obi-Wan didn't think of relocating her because...?
*** Drawing-out plan, remember?
*** See above.
*** And...?
*** Obi-Wan was in charge of the security. Obi-Wan was not into hunting assassins. Obi-Wan should've turned thumb down on that drawing-out charade and relocate Padme to a safer chamber.
** Why didn't the droid self-destroy immediately upon completion of the task but instead returned back to the assassin?
*** Droids are expensive. You don't want to destroy it unless you have to.
*** They are hired assassins. They can just include the price of the droid in the bill. And Zam could at least program it to go to some other place she could collect it from after she made sure it wasn't followed (or accompanied by a hanging Jedi).
*** Wasn't part of this whole argument "why didn't the droid record its progress so Jango could make sure it succeeded?" Pick one. It's perfectly feasible they didn't want to risk a remote feed of a stealth assassination.
*** I pick self-destruction. There are other means to monitor the scene (Zam apparently watched over the landing pad since the bombe only exploded when "Padme" emerged from the ship). But destroying an evidence and a possible lead is crucial. It's just is.
** Why did both Jedi leave Padme although the assassination attempt could've been a distraction?
*** Obi-Wan acted on a reflex, probably trusting Anakin to stay behind. Anakin of course, acted without thinking.
** Why didn't Jango use the first assassination attempt as a distraction and finish the job?
*** He had no way of knowing the first attempt was botched.
*** And he didn't oversee the assassination attempt to confirm that it was successful because...?
*** Because he didn't think he had to micro-manage when Zam was presumably one of the best?
*** For a galaxy-class hitman that's just sloppy, Lord Voldemort-type sloppy. I could buy that if Zam made a hit personally, but she relied on a droid. Droids malfunction, they can be scrammed or EMP'd or whatever, they won't be able to skew from the program in unforeseen situation (like NOT return to the sender with a Jedi stowaway). Long story short, they require oversight, and anyway how difficult could it be to put a camera somewhere near the palace to keep an eye on things?
*** Two things here: one, Zam was overseeing the droid; if you argue Jango HAS to oversee her, you risk going into a "Turtles all the Way Down" argument. Two, who says it wasn't recorded?
*** One, she didn't. In the novel she admits that she has no idea if the droid succeeded. Two, we are trying to kill a senator here! Some redundancy and back-up plans are simply called for. Anyway, what better things had Jango to do? Sit on his armored ass with his fingers crossed?
** Why did Zam try to kill Obi-Wan instead of just leaving? She had a nice head start and they were obviously very dangerous.
*** She had no way of knowing that Anakin was on the way. As far as she knew, Obi-Wan was as good as dead.
*** The question is ''why'' would she try to kill him. For all she knows he's just a bodyguard and bodyguards are replaceable. Why take the risk?
*** The bodyguard who might follow her and expose her. Best to leave no witnesses.
*** 1) Killing him would leave a whole bar full of witnesses and attract Anakin's attention. 2) Unlike Anakin Obi never saw her in face and was just sitting there at the counter swizzling. 3) The duo arrived to the bar about a minute after Zam. More then enough time to walk through the back door (such joints ought to have one), shape shift, maybe grab some rags to conceal herself, maybe tell Jango (who's nearby) to come and pick her up - ANYTHING would've been smarter then what she did.
** After the Jedi took the assassin out of the joint why didn't Jango fire a missile at them or at least a gun, but instead used a unique dart that would allow tracking him back to a particular planet?
*** Firing a dart that moves faster than the human eye can see is much better than firing a missile that moves much slower. Considering the people he's shooting at, firing a missile would likely be pointless. As for why not use a blaster, I guess he figured the poisonous dart was safer. People can survive getting shot with a laser, but the poison spreads through your body pretty fast.
*** Yeah, because so many people throughout the SW movies survived a laser blast in the chest...oh, wait, no, they didn't, nobody did! In particular, Jango killed a huge beast with a single shot from his handgun (admittedly, point-blank) and the assassin blasted a droid with her rifle. So I'd say a laser blast is much safer than a dart that must hit an exposed part of skin at that. And even if Jango absolutely had to use a dart, why did it have to be a dart custom-made on the very planet he resided on? He could as well throw his business card at them.
*** Firstly a shot from a Star Wars laser gun is relatively slow. If the Jedi sensed it coming, they would have enough time to deflect it. Secondly, Jango probably knew the analysis droids wouldn't be able to trace his dart, he just didn't count on Obi-Wan having an old friend who knew about it. Plus he probably knew that Dooku had erased Kamino's location from the archive.
*** Did Jango even know who those two guys were and what they were capable of?
*** He'd be a pretty bad assassin if he didn't know that Jedis were guarding his quarry.
** After they see Jango flying away, why don't they hurry to Obi's speeder and chase him? Anakin managed to pinpoint the assassin girl in the middle of busy traffic, dozens of meters away with enough precision to literally drop on her head so why do they suddenly let Jango escape?
*** Obi-Wan's speeder is on the other side of the cantina with a large crowd of people creating numerous obstacles. By the time they got to it, Jango would be far away. He's much smaller than a speeder and would make a much less distinctive sound.
*** That's rich. I mean, a Jedi can jump a dozen meters up, run super fast, force-push things out of their way, navigate through an obstacle course from hell and battle monsters bare-handed, but people? Yeah, that's insurmountable, all right. Most importantly, they've just spent the last twenty minutes doing the most crazy and suicidal stunts to hunt the assassins down, and now they just lay off and say "Nah, screw him, he's, like, too far, and there are, like, people and stuff in the way, we'll get'em next time, let's go grab a beer"?!!
*** Consider that Jedi are "keepers of the peace." Assassin or no, it doesn't reflect well on the Order to force push a bunch of civilians out of the way. Consider they were on the ground, no vehicle around them, and Jango was in fact flying away. They're really good at chasing people; they can't just fly under their own power, however.
*** It's not like ''those'' people were going to sue or even call out the order over some bruises. As for Jango flying away, gimme a break. They had their wonderful Jedi senses, they could contact the local law enforcers (if they are "keepers of peace" they simply must have some authority), they could do SOMETHING. The point is, they've just spent the last twenty minutes doing the most crazy and suicidal stunts to hunt the assassins down, so what, did they suddenly run out of ardour?
* How did the clone army manage to invade Geonosis without alerting their defenses whatsoever? It looks as though the intervention of the gunboats in the middle of the arena took the bad guys completely by surprise. So are we to assume they just sprang out of Warp ten meters away? Or that all the planetary guards took a day off to watch the "Eat the Jedi" show and turned the automatics off so that it doesn't disturb them? Or that massive ships carrying thousands of soldiers simply...slipped through to the surface like the Jedi did before them?
** There's a space battle occurring in orbit during the Battle of Geonosis. The Republic forces simply outnumbered the Separatist forces enough for them to engage them on both fronts.
*** I guessed that much. The question is how come nobody warned Dooku and the others. Bypassing planetary defenses of a major industrial world should take ''some'' time even despite superior numbers. Certainly if Dooku knew that an imperial strike force was on its way he wouldn't have wasted time offering them to surrender and instead would've just let the droids gun them down. Also, why are there no geonosian and/or Federation air forces?
*** There are? The air battle is happening off-screen. Mobility of Star Wars forces are excellent, and a major part of combat involves jamming of communications and sensors. It's not impossible that there was a failure of communications between the early warning systems and the arena.
*** It's all fine except that immediately afterwards, in the underground headquarters, we see a holoscreen pinpointing the descending clone troops and vessels. So nope, no jamming there.
** If you played the Star Wars: Clone Wars Game for the gamecube, in the first few missions, Mace and Luminara led the Jedi strike force along with the clones, but there was a shield covering the planet, which the Clone Forces couldn't get through. They had to use Tanks to destroy the shield generator to let the clones land, while the Jedi snuck into the arena. Anyway, I always assumed that possibly Dooku was expecting the Jedi and clones to show up and had Nute Gunray and the others occupied. Also, I assumed that the battles across the planet had started immediately alongside the Jedi battle within the arena, but Yoda and the clones couldn't get to the arena in time because they had to first pinpoint the arena.
* When Padme asks Obi-wan about the investigation of her ship blowing up, he protests that it isn't in their mandate. Fair enough, he was assigned to guard her. But at no point does he or anybody else state that an investigation is being handled by anyone else. Doesn't Coruscant have a law enforcement agency? Isn't anyone interested in finding out how an assassin could target an important figure like her twice (even if both sides really botched it the second time)?
** I think another section of the Jedi Order was carrying out the investigation at first. When Padme first meets with the council, she asks if they have any ideas who was behind the attack and Mace says their intelligence pointed to spice miners on Naboo, indicated that they were carrying out an investigation.
*** Fair enough, but why doesn't Obi-wan just say that? He never once says 'a different section of the Order is handling that', his only response to her request is to state that it isn't his job. Considering that he's a respected Jedi Knight guarding a VIP you would think he would have been properly briefed by the Council.
* I know for movies sake that Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme had to be rescued, but why did Mace take over 200 Jedi just to rescue 2 Jedi and a senator? Are their lives that important?
** They were part of the advance force. The Clone Army followed behind them, and they were hoping to capture the Separatist leadership as well.
** Plus, Anakin is the "chosen one", at least as far as certain people believe.
* Yoda starts fighting Dooku. Dooku grabs some heavy shit and throws at Yoda. Yoda grabs the shit back and tosses it...somewhere aside. All this time Dooku's ship, his only possible mean of escape, is standing ten meters away. So why not fling some of the debris at the ship? Or at Dooku himself. Or at Dooku and his ship and see how well he can deal with two separate projectiles. Yes, I know Dooku could probably stop them - it's not an excuse not to try.
** Further, why would Dooku not attack while Yoda is struggling with the heavy object, as I doubt he would have had the energy to both fight Dooku and keep the object afloat
*** Apparently throwing heavy shit was tiresome, so Dooku couldn't attack immediately afterwards and needed time to recharge. Even more reasons to throw debris at him.
*** However this whole exchange becomes ridiculous when you factor in feats done by Jedi and Sith done in the Expanded Universe. Yoda has been shown throwing entire star ships around like they were nothing, that piece of the ceiling Dooku threw at him should have been child's play. I am not trying to spark an Expanded universe vs Films canon debate here, just saying that I don't like how inconsistent the power levels are between stories.
*** They're inconsistent because entirely different people planned, wrote, and published them. That's why it is frivolous to apply anything in the Expanded canon to the Traditional canon, as the Traditional was never written with the Expanded in mind, and the Expanded tends to act like anything in the Traditional didn't happen or, at the very least, is only one version of the events.
22nd Oct '17 2:26:44 PM costanton11
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** They've met before, in ThePhantomMenace. Presumably R2 recounted his adventures to him then. He also may have filled him in on what he's been up to on the trip to Geonosis.

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** They've met before, in ThePhantomMenace. Presumably R2 recounted his adventures to him then. He also may have filled him in on what he's been up to on during the trip to Geonosis.
22nd Oct '17 2:26:34 PM costanton11
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** They've met before, in ThePhantomMenace. Presumably R2 recounted his adventures to him then.

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** They've met before, in ThePhantomMenace. Presumably R2 recounted his adventures to him then. He also may have filled him in on what he's been up to on the trip to Geonosis.
31st Aug '17 4:44:02 PM DeltaDart
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* On another note about the prior subject, why didn't the [[PointDefenseless gunship's tail gunner do ''anything'' to engage the pursuing Geonosian fighters?]]
31st Aug '17 4:40:12 PM DeltaDart
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** Perhaps it's because Dooku's PlotArmor [[Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack was too thick for blasters!]]
11th Jun '17 12:52:23 PM darrenr
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** I gathered that the Galaxy had pretty much been in peace for a long time. It's hard to justify keeping a grand army around when there isn't a war, unless you're a dictatorship intending to intimidate the people, The Republic probably kept it's military budget low while it devoted its spending to galactic infrastructure or something like that. Whatever problems the galaxy had were often ones that could be solved by a couple of monks with magical powers. Ironically, this attitude probably fanned the flames of the Separatist movement; if the Republic was ill-equipped to defend a world from a major attack. why should they pay hefty taxes and follow legislation drafted by corrupt politicians light-years away when they would be just as well off on their own?

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** I gathered that the Galaxy had pretty much been in peace for a long time. It's hard to justify keeping a grand army around when there isn't a war, unless you're a dictatorship intending to intimidate the people, The Republic probably kept it's military budget low while it devoted its spending to galactic infrastructure or something like that. Whatever problems the galaxy had were often ones that could be solved by a couple of monks with magical powers. Ironically, this attitude probably fanned the flames of the Separatist movement; if the Republic was ill-equipped to defend a world from a major attack. why should they pay hefty taxes and follow legislation drafted by corrupt politicians light-years away when they would be just as well off on their own?own?
** There are planetary defence forces. Even Naboo has a volunteer army and air force. Given there hasn't been an interstellar war since the formation of the Republic, presumably they are enough to keep the peace at a local level without the need for a Galactic military.
11th Jun '17 12:46:35 PM darrenr
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** They've met before, in ThePhantomMenace. Presumably R2 recounted his adventures to him then.
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