History Headscratchers / AttackOfTheClones

1st Aug '16 5:28:26 AM SolidSonicTH
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** The Jedi Order is pledged as protectorates of the Republic Senate. This comes up during ''Revenge of the Sith'' when Anakin starts to grow close to Palpatine. When the Jedi Order becomes suspicious of Palpatine's intentions, Obi-Wan reminds Anakin that they are at the behest of the Senate, not the Chancellor. So if the Senate declares open war, the Jedi are duty-bound to do as they are requested by the Senate, in this case lead the clone army.

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** The Jedi Order is are pledged as protectorates of the Republic Senate. This comes up during ''Revenge of the Sith'' when Anakin starts to grow close to Palpatine. When the Jedi Order becomes suspicious of Palpatine's intentions, Obi-Wan reminds Anakin that they are at the behest of the Senate, not the Chancellor. So if the Senate declares open war, the Jedi are duty-bound to do as they are requested by the Senate, in this case lead the clone army.
1st Aug '16 5:27:54 AM SolidSonicTH
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** The Jedi Order is pledged as protectorates of the Republic Senate. This comes up during ''Revenge of the Sith'' when Anakin starts to grow close to Palpatine. When the Jedi Order becomes suspicious of Palpatine's intentions, Obi-Wan reminds Anakin that they are at the behest of the Senate, not the Chancellor. So if the Senate declares open war, the Jedi are duty-bound to do as they are requested by the Senate, in this case lead the clone army.
15th Jul '16 3:38:07 AM PlatosAssistant
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** Plus, consider how the general public's opinion of the Jedi would go if these supposed grand warriors who can move things with their minds and swing a lightsaber opted to sit on their butts while the Republic faced its first all out civil war in 1,000 years.
23rd Jun '16 12:29:28 PM MrDeath
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** Because the Sith are on the leadership of the other side of the war.
23rd Jun '16 12:21:14 PM brianify
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* Why do the Jedi just accept their new and unexplained role as generals in the new clone army? Warfare would logically be anathema to the Jedi, as their Code stresses peaceful resolution and defense. A war would be a terrible thing for the Jedi Order to get involved in, because the emotions that the Jedi are supposed to guard against (fear, aggression, anger, hate, etc.) are all around them, constantly. It would also mean that each Jedi would be tempted to resort to the dark side much more than they would normally, to both save their own lives and protect their comrades. On the more practical side, the Jedi themselves are more of a SpacePolice, and have no knowledge of or training in strategy and tactics: Mace Windu at the start of the movie mentions that they're keepers of the peace, not soldiers. You could make a case for Yoda I guess (he's 900, who knows what he's done in his life?) but for the rest, they'd more likely be used as elite shock troops, not as leaders.
1st Jun '16 8:44:38 PM psionycx
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*** That's a very romanticized view of Jango, who sub-contracted the assassination attempts on Padme to another bounty hunter and who the Kaminoans outright stated was receiving very substantial pay for his contribution to the clone army! There is actually no justification for believing that he is especially honorable. Certainly not when he was willing to lie to a Jedi Master's face about his activities. He clearly ''knows'' that his actions are going to plunge the galaxy into war and doesn't care. He most definitely ''could'' sell out Dooku, since the other Separatist leaders were only willing to go to war because they believed that they had absolute military superiority over the Republic. If they knew that Dooku was setting them up for a huge and expensive war then they would have sicced the droidekas on him so fast his head would have spun!


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*** Except that, as is explicitly stated in the film, it took roughly a ''decade'' to grow the clone army! What does that coincide with? Palpatine becoming chancellor! So, you have an army that even the Kaminoans themselves believe is being grown for the Republic (not for Count Dooku or the CIS), which was funded by unknown parties, the very existence of which is ''illegal'' under Republic law and which was ready to be deployed the instant that Palpatine was voted emergency powers that suddenly made it legal for him to assemble such an army! The Jedi ''claim'' that they don't believe in coincidence. But this is a whole pile of supposed coincidences that all point in exactly ''one'' direction - at Palpatine!
26th May '16 11:58:07 PM alex51324
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** He could also have just thrown in the "rethink your life" part on the off chance that it might work, with the main goal being to get the guy to leave him alone.
6th Apr '16 3:50:21 PM costanton11
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*** According to the Bounty Hunter game, it wasn't so much narcissism that inspired it as much as it was a realization that, with the kind of life he lives, settling down and finding a girl is out of the question.

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*** According to the Bounty Hunter game, it wasn't so much narcissism that inspired it as much as it was a realization that, with the kind of life he lives, settling down and finding a girl is out of the question.question, so this was pretty much the only way he would have a kid.
1st Apr '16 4:54:05 PM Dragon101
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** Sidious is kept abreast of all major Separatist strategies (when he isn't directing them) and likely feeding them information. The danger of them actually being able to strike a major blow against the Republic and put Palpatine at risk without his knowledge would be minimal, and remember that the leader of the Separatists is his own apprentice. The scenario described above is only really plausible if Dooku either isn't doing his job (eg. Grevious or the other leaders make important decisions behind his back or outright overthrow him) or if Dooku flat-out betrays Sidious, which in either case means he has bigger problems than worrying where Palpatine will fit in a post-Separatist victory. In any case, it's unlikely the non-Dooku Separatists will want to ''kill'' the Chancellor so much as take him prisoner, but the most logical course of action for him to take would be for Palpatine to fake his death followed by Sidious taking a more direct role in the Confederacy, which would only happen if a Confederate victory became not only more plausible but also more ''desirable''- again, Palpatine controls both sides, which means he has a monopoly on important strategic information, which means he is basically playing a chess match against himself and can pick and choose not just who wins what battle but also which battles are fought in the first place. Basically, as long as he plans carefully enough and doesn't tip his hand (and more than likely, the Republic might just be the more powerful of the two factions to begin with), it shouldn't be ''that'' hard to con each side. Not to mention, Separatist leaders like Nute Gunray are morons.


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*** The fact that 3PO did not recognise ''Owen'' might be another indicator to Owen that this is not the same droid (that he last saw two decades ago). Even if he considers that 3PO might have just has his memory erased...what of it? How can he prove that? It's not like 3PO can confirm this if he asks (after all- memory wipe) and he's clearly different from how Owen remembers him superficially. Most likely though he just didn't think of it- he didn't even seem to be listening to 3PO when he told him his name; he cared more about what 3PO was capable of and what kind of work he could do.
1st Apr '16 4:34:52 PM Dragon101
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*** He can't sell it to the Separatists because Dooku, the leader of the Separatists, already knows that he's the template for the Clone Army- he's the guy who ''hired'' him for it. Really, it's not even a secret- both sides know after the movie that Jango is the one the Clone Army is based on, and they know that it was commissioned by Jedi. Assume the Jedi was Dooku (which it was, though Sifo Dyas played a part) and you could rationalise it as "Dooku secretly made a commission for the army in the name of the Republic, but secretly it was for the Separatists". If you are a Separatist, it looks like Dooku's secret "ace in the hole" that he never bothered telling you about and that was stolen from him by the Jedi; if you are with the Republic, it looks like you snatched the army from right under the nose of Count Dooku, or whoever they think Tyrannus might be. Aside from that, you fail to understand the character of Jango Fett- he isn't in it for the money, he isn't in it to retire, he is in it fighting and hunting are his ''life'', which is exemplified by the existence of Boba Fett in the first place: to carry on his legacy. So, firstly, he can't sell it to the Separatists because the guy he'd sell it to is Dooku (who knows), or he sells it to Gunray et al behind Dookus' back (which he won't do because he still works for Dooku and that is a betrayal of contract, not to mention it risks making an enemy of Dooku if he finds out), and secondly he ''doesn't care'' about any of this, because money isn't the main motivator for him- the way of life and the professionalism that goes with it is.

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*** He can't sell it to the Separatists because Dooku, the leader of the Separatists, already knows that he's the template for the Clone Army- he's the guy who ''hired'' him for it. Really, it's not even a secret- both sides know after the movie that Jango is the one the Clone Army is based on, and they know that it was commissioned by Jedi. Assume the Jedi was Dooku (which it was, though Sifo Dyas played a part) and you could rationalise it as "Dooku secretly made a commission for the army in the name of the Republic, but secretly it was for the Separatists". If you are a Separatist, it looks like Dooku's secret "ace in the hole" that he never bothered telling you about and that was stolen from him by the Jedi; if you are with the Republic, it looks like you snatched the army from right under the nose of Count Dooku, or whoever they think Tyrannus might be. Aside from that, you fail to understand the character of Jango Fett- he isn't in it for the money, he isn't in it to retire, he is in it fighting and hunting are his ''life'', which is exemplified by the existence of Boba Fett in the first place: to carry on his legacy. So, firstly, he can't sell it to the Separatists because the guy he'd sell it to is Dooku (who knows), or he sells it to Gunray et al behind Dookus' back (which he won't do because he still works for Dooku and that is a betrayal of contract, not to mention it risks making an enemy of Dooku if he finds out), and secondly he ''doesn't care'' about any of this, because money isn't the main motivator for him- the way of life and the professionalism that goes with it is.



*** The Jedi are not suspicious of Palpatine until the 3rd film, after he is still in office despite his legal term being up (Yoda might be suspicious in this film, but it's more of a "something not right about this guy" sort of suspicion; nothing concrete). They realize at the end of the movie that a war between the Republic and the Separatists was exactly what the Sith wanted, but to what end they don't know. Palpatine might be the most obvious suspect, but without proof there is no reason to suspect him much more than anyone else (in the ''Legends'' novels it is mentioned that they think he might be a pawn), especially since they are regularly in meetings with him and they never once sense the Dark Side in him (a testament to his skill more than anything else). Basically, the Jedi ''do'' realize that they have been had, but they don't know the endgame now the mastermind and it doesn't matter since if they don't play along and fight the war with the Clone army, the Republic will just find different, less capable commanders and possibly the Separatists will slaughter everyone regardless. They ''have'' to fight this war, which hampers their freedom to investigate what is ''really'' going on. Plus as stated, for all they know the clone army was originally meant to be used by Dooku and they just got lucky, even if they doubt that is true.

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*** The Jedi are not suspicious of Palpatine until the 3rd film, after he is still in office despite his legal term being up (Yoda might be suspicious in this film, but it's more of a "something not right about this guy" sort of suspicion; nothing concrete). They realize at the end of the movie that a war between the Republic and the Separatists was exactly what the Sith wanted, but to what end they don't know. Palpatine might be the most obvious suspect, but without proof there is no reason to suspect him much more than anyone else (in the ''Legends'' novels it is mentioned that they think he might be a pawn), especially since they are regularly in meetings with him and they never once sense the Dark Side in him (a testament to his skill more than anything else). Basically, the Jedi ''do'' realize that they have been had, but they don't know the endgame now nor the mastermind and it doesn't matter since if they don't play along and fight the war with the Clone army, the Republic will just find different, less capable commanders and possibly the Separatists will slaughter everyone regardless. They ''have'' to fight this war, which hampers their freedom to investigate what is ''really'' going on. Plus as stated, for all they know the clone army was originally meant to be used by Dooku and they just got lucky, even if they doubt that is true.
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