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22nd Jul '16 3:00:25 PM Discar
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*** Desmond already has a son, as revealed in Syndicate, who is a Sage, from her matrilinear line. Guess it already happened, before the Templars captured Desmond. He is 10 years old.

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*** ** Desmond already has a son, as revealed in Syndicate, who is a Sage, from her matrilinear line. Guess it already happened, before the Templars captured Desmond. He is 10 years old.
22nd Jul '16 1:23:04 PM Skebaba
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*** Desmond already has a son, as revealed in Syndicate, who is a Sage, from her matrilinear line. Guess it already happened, before the Templars captured Desmond. He is 10 years old.
27th Jan '16 8:27:34 AM Matchieu
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** Also, the Hookblade is attached to the right Hidden Blade, whereas all the other upgrades Ezio acquires (Hidden Gun, Poison, etc) are attached to the left Hidden Blade.
13th Oct '15 10:35:00 PM mephistos
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[[folder: The Scar]]

* Is there a reason Altair, Ezio and Desmond (and maybe others, I haven't played the newer games yet) all share the same scar on the right part of their lips?

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[[folder: The Scar]]

* Is there a reason Altair, Ezio and Desmond (and maybe others, I haven't played the newer games yet) all share the same scar on the right part of their lips?

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13th Oct '15 10:34:14 PM mephistos
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* Is there a reason Altair, Ezio and Desmond (and maybe others, I haven't played the newer games yet) all share the same scar on the right part of their lips?

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14th Aug '15 11:58:04 AM SetsunasaNiWa
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** And yet it still kills. You just need to be precise and strike at the perfect time. [[CaptainObvious Kind of like an Assassin.]]

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** And yet it still kills. You just need to be precise and strike at the perfect time. [[CaptainObvious Kind of like an Assassin.]]
20th Apr '15 12:06:19 PM Discar
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[[folder:Assassins versus Ottomans]]



*** This is especially true for the modern day Assassins if you look at the ExpandedUniverse materials and all of Subject 16's messages. Seriously, their members and allies includes [[SarcasmMode charming]] individuals such as UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin, MaoZedong, [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Ho Chi Minh]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] UsefulNotes/AlGore. When the Assassins say that 'Everything is permitted', [[CombatPragmatist they really mean it]]. They are interested in preserving the free will of mankind in the long run by fighting against the Templars, but they are perfectly willing to [[NecessaryEvil work with non-aligned organizations that violate the 'Stay your blade from the flesh of an innocent' tenet on a daily basis]].

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*** ** This is especially true for the modern day Assassins if you look at the ExpandedUniverse materials and all of Subject 16's messages. Seriously, their members and allies includes [[SarcasmMode charming]] individuals such as UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin, MaoZedong, [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar Ho Chi Minh]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] UsefulNotes/AlGore. When the Assassins say that 'Everything is permitted', [[CombatPragmatist they really mean it]]. They are interested in preserving the free will of mankind in the long run by fighting against the Templars, but they are perfectly willing to [[NecessaryEvil work with non-aligned organizations that violate the 'Stay your blade from the flesh of an innocent' tenet on a daily basis]].

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[[folder:Altair and the hidden blade]]



*** TruthInTelevision. A good example of this would be Creator/ChristopherLee; he is noted as being an incredibly skilled swordsman, with lightning-fast arms and an agile upper body, but he's old and his legwork isn't anywhere near as good as his upper-bodywork. That's why in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, a lot of shots involving Dooku fighting were from the waist up. Altaïr is the exact same way.

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*** ** TruthInTelevision. A good example of this would be Creator/ChristopherLee; he is noted as being an incredibly skilled swordsman, with lightning-fast arms and an agile upper body, but he's old and his legwork isn't anywhere near as good as his upper-bodywork. That's why in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, a lot of shots involving Dooku fighting were from the waist up. Altaïr is the exact same way.




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[[folder:Ziplines and hookblade]]




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*** Possibly the other man heard at the end of ''Brotherhood''.

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*** ** Possibly the other man heard at the end of ''Brotherhood''.''Brotherhood''.

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[[folder:Juno and Lucy]]



*** Note that one of the dossiers in the multiplayer [[spoiler:mentions that Abstergo has "sleeper agents," who used to work for Abstergo, underwent a memory-changing procedure, and now help Abstergo without knowing it. I'm thinking Lucy (or someone else) was one of those due to LawOfConservationOfDetail.]]

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*** ** Note that one of the dossiers in the multiplayer [[spoiler:mentions that Abstergo has "sleeper agents," who used to work for Abstergo, underwent a memory-changing procedure, and now help Abstergo without knowing it. I'm thinking Lucy (or someone else) was one of those due to LawOfConservationOfDetail.]]



*** What's the alternative? Refusing to listen to them and let the world be destroyed? As for being their pawn, they are all dead.

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*** ** What's the alternative? Refusing to listen to them and let the world be destroyed? As for being their pawn, they are all dead.



*** She can't control the Apple since that's what is allowing her to control Desmond and keeping the others from moving. The worst we saw the Apple do was mind control people, so no head nuking. And III and IV josses the idea that Juno is a Templar, while the DLC josses the idea that Lucy is going to betray the Templars.

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*** ** She can't control the Apple since that's what is allowing her to control Desmond and keeping the others from moving. The worst we saw the Apple do was mind control people, so no head nuking. And III and IV josses the idea that Juno is a Templar, while the DLC josses the idea that Lucy is going to betray the Templars.Templars.

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[[folder:Ezio and Altair's ghost]]



*** No, Ezio hasn't found any of the keys at this point.

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*** ** No, Ezio hasn't found any of the keys at this point.



*** Still not a good enough explanation to say that Desmond is seeing it. Ezio himself was distracted by Altaïr's image in the opening cutscene.
**** Desmond, reliving Ezio's memory of the event, is distracted by an image of Altaïr. This doesn't mean, historically, that Ezio was, or that Ezio ever even saw the image (he makes no mention of it to anybody). Remember, the Animus does allow the subject to relive the memories a little bit differently than they actually happened, this just results in loss of sync. Since Desmond's plot revolves around his trouble syncing one ancestor apart from another, it makes perfect sense that Desmond's memory of Ezio would be distracted by Altaïr.

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*** ** Still not a good enough explanation to say that Desmond is seeing it. Ezio himself was distracted by Altaïr's image in the opening cutscene.
**** ** Desmond, reliving Ezio's memory of the event, is distracted by an image of Altaïr. This doesn't mean, historically, that Ezio was, or that Ezio ever even saw the image (he makes no mention of it to anybody). Remember, the Animus does allow the subject to relive the memories a little bit differently than they actually happened, this just results in loss of sync. Since Desmond's plot revolves around his trouble syncing one ancestor apart from another, it makes perfect sense that Desmond's memory of Ezio would be distracted by Altaïr.



*** Except by this point Altaïr's Apple is still locked in his library. Ezio's Apple is a different Piece of Eden.
*** And? The Apples let you literally see through time and space. It doesn't matter where one Apple is located when all Apples, particularly Ezio's, let you look past silly things like temporal and spatial barriers. Ezio even literally used his Apple to see the future and hunt down Cesare.

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*** ** Except by this point Altaïr's Apple is still locked in his library. Ezio's Apple is a different Piece of Eden.
*** ** And? The Apples let you literally see through time and space. It doesn't matter where one Apple is located when all Apples, particularly Ezio's, let you look past silly things like temporal and spatial barriers. Ezio even literally used his Apple to see the future and hunt down Cesare.



*** This is the reason. It's specifically stated that by Revelations' timeline, Ezio's Eagle Sense has drastically improved from what it used to be to now allowing him to see the movements of people, even if they're a fair ways away. It's also stated, I believe, that the world has memory imprints that TWCB and people with strong genetic make-up can detect (but I might be wrong on *that* particular front). So essentially, Ezio is able to see the memory of Altaïr, to an extent.

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*** ** This is the reason. It's specifically stated that by Revelations' timeline, Ezio's Eagle Sense has drastically improved from what it used to be to now allowing him to see the movements of people, even if they're a fair ways away. It's also stated, I believe, that the world has memory imprints that TWCB and people with strong genetic make-up can detect (but I might be wrong on *that* particular front). So essentially, Ezio is able to see the memory of Altaïr, to an extent.




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[[folder:Crowds and killing]]




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[[folder:Leonardo]]




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*** [[FridgeBrilliance Which may have been how he became associated with the Brotherhood in the first place.]]

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*** ** [[FridgeBrilliance Which may have been how he became associated with the Brotherhood in the first place.]]]]

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[[folder:Coal Dust]]



*** I should've been more specific: I killed three separate people, each using a thunder bomb loaded with the strongest gunpowder. Everyone else in the blast radius just coughed and got ticked off. As mentioned, these three had to be caught off-guard. Compared to shrapnel and datura powder -- both of which will kill everyone within the blast radius regardless of whether they're caught unawares -- coal dust is hardly lethal.
*** And yet it still kills. You just need to be precise and strike at the perfect time. [[CaptainObvious Kind of like an Assassin.]]

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*** ** I should've been more specific: I killed three separate people, each using a thunder bomb loaded with the strongest gunpowder. Everyone else in the blast radius just coughed and got ticked off. As mentioned, these three had to be caught off-guard. Compared to shrapnel and datura powder -- both of which will kill everyone within the blast radius regardless of whether they're caught unawares -- coal dust is hardly lethal.
*** ** And yet it still kills. You just need to be precise and strike at the perfect time. [[CaptainObvious Kind of like an Assassin.]]




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[[folder:First Civ death]]



*** Actually, that sounds pretty good.

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*** ** Actually, that sounds pretty good.




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[[folder:Lucy (DLC)]]



*** Double. She was an assassin who went to work for Abstergo as a spy (single) who later "returned" with Desmond (still single). However, during her time at Abstergo, she became a Templar spy and was reporting on Desmond after her return (there be the double).
*** Another possibility is that she was originally a Templar and honestly switched to the Assassins, then later on Warren Vidic convinced her to join ''his'' side, without the knowledge or approval of the other Templars...in effect making her a triple agent. The official guidebook actually supports this view, and given Abstergo's rather callous attitude toward Vidic in later games, it's certainly plausible.

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*** ** Double. She was an assassin who went to work for Abstergo as a spy (single) who later "returned" with Desmond (still single). However, during her time at Abstergo, she became a Templar spy and was reporting on Desmond after her return (there be the double).
*** ** Another possibility is that she was originally a Templar and honestly switched to the Assassins, then later on Warren Vidic convinced her to join ''his'' side, without the knowledge or approval of the other Templars...in effect making her a triple agent. The official guidebook actually supports this view, and given Abstergo's rather callous attitude toward Vidic in later games, it's certainly plausible.plausible.

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*** Well, forget what I said, I just replayed II and Elizabeth I came into possession of Altaïr's Apple, barely a half-century after Revelations ends. Granted, she wasn't a Templar (though apparently Mary was, according to Project Legacy).

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*** ** Well, forget what I said, I just replayed II and Elizabeth I came into possession of Altaïr's Apple, barely a half-century after Revelations ends. Granted, she wasn't a Templar (though apparently Mary was, according to Project Legacy).



*** At least 34, going by the numbering in ''[=ACII=]'''s glyph puzzles.

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*** ** At least 34, going by the numbering in ''[=ACII=]'''s glyph puzzles.



*** The Codex ends with Altaïr contemplating looking into the Apple again. Which indicates that it's with him at Masyaf, just as in Revelations. The Cyprus Apple must've been in Cyprus to begin with. Remember that map at the end of ''1''? Altaïr probably used that map or something similar with the Apple to track down another Apple on Cyprus, and make sure it was hidden. The Codex doesn't say he hid the Apple on Cyprus, only that there was a 'movement' and that he must go. So what likely happened was that a Templar or someone got a hold of the Apple on Cyprus, Altaïr took care of it and hid the Apple somewhere on the island, then Rodrigo dug it up. It's likely Altaïr's Apple never left Masyaf.

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*** ** The Codex ends with Altaïr contemplating looking into the Apple again. Which indicates that it's with him at Masyaf, just as in Revelations. The Cyprus Apple must've been in Cyprus to begin with. Remember that map at the end of ''1''? Altaïr probably used that map or something similar with the Apple to track down another Apple on Cyprus, and make sure it was hidden. The Codex doesn't say he hid the Apple on Cyprus, only that there was a 'movement' and that he must go. So what likely happened was that a Templar or someone got a hold of the Apple on Cyprus, Altaïr took care of it and hid the Apple somewhere on the island, then Rodrigo dug it up. It's likely Altaïr's Apple never left Masyaf.Masyaf.

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[[folder:Snow in Masyaf]]



*** Masyaf is in the country of Syria, it snows very lightly there. Up in the mountains however the climate is high enough that snow can last longer, there does appear to be a rather large mountain range surrounding Masyaf so its high altitude may explain why it is snowing.

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*** ** Masyaf is in the country of Syria, it snows very lightly there. Up in the mountains however the climate is high enough that snow can last longer, there does appear to be a rather large mountain range surrounding Masyaf so its high altitude may explain why it is snowing.snowing.

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[[folder:Poison blade]]




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[[folder:Niccolo and the keys]]




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[[folder:Bill training Lucy and Desmond]]




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* Does anyone else found Sofia's interaction with Ezio and reaction to everything that happens to her a bit unrealistic? [[http://ladyve.deviantart.com/art/A-Minor-Change-for-Ezio-and-Sofia-291562046 This]] deviantart post shows what I mean better then I can describe. I mean, she doesn't even seem all that shocked or traumatized about her bookstore being destroyed and herself almost getting killed by her sort-of boyfriend's enemies!

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[[folder:Sofia and murder]]

* Does anyone else found find Sofia's interaction with Ezio and reaction to everything that happens to her a bit unrealistic? [[http://ladyve.deviantart.com/art/A-Minor-Change-for-Ezio-and-Sofia-291562046 This]] deviantart post shows what I mean better then I can describe. I mean, she doesn't even seem all that shocked or traumatized about her bookstore being destroyed and herself almost getting killed by her sort-of boyfriend's enemies!



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This is something that's been bothering me for a while now: how the hell did Subject 16/Clay Kaczmarek make so very, very many pictures/words/etc. using only his own blood? ''And'' apparently remain conscious/coherent enough to do it with accuracy and general neatness? I mean, Christ, [[http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/f/fa/Abs_Room.png look at the Asian text]]. Considering it was finger-painted in blood by a lunatic, it's ''gorgeous''!\\

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* This is something that's been bothering me for a while now: how the hell did Subject 16/Clay Kaczmarek make so very, very many pictures/words/etc. using only his own blood? ''And'' apparently remain conscious/coherent enough to do it with accuracy and general neatness? I mean, Christ, [[http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/f/fa/Abs_Room.png look at the Asian text]]. Considering it was finger-painted in blood by a lunatic, it's ''gorgeous''!\\



* They couldn't put him in a medically-induced coma because they needed him to go into the Animus, which required him to be conscious. So the only way they could possibly prevent him from breaking his skin on something and painting the walls with blood is if they had someone chaperone him 24 hours a day. And if that were the case he would never have been alone long enough to kill himself.

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* ** They couldn't put him in a medically-induced coma because they needed him to go into the Animus, which required him to be conscious. So the only way they could possibly prevent him from breaking his skin on something and painting the walls with blood is if they had someone chaperone him 24 hours a day. And if that were the case he would never have been alone long enough to kill himself.



*** They could have restrained him, but obviously they didn't, or he wouldn't have been able to slit his own wrists and paint the walls in blood. Obviously the real answer is the developers didn't consider/didn't know how debilitating it would've been to let out that much blood at once. But if you really need an in-universe explanation, just assume that during his free time hours he covered, say, a few square feet of wall/floor every day for several days in a row and cleaned it up before Abstergo found it. The stains would then be invisible to the naked eye but not to Eagle Vision (which no one at Abstergo has, apparently). ''Then'' he slit his wrists and killed himself, and possibly used the blood to put in whatever "finishing touches" he saw fit.

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*** ** They could have restrained him, but obviously they didn't, or he wouldn't have been able to slit his own wrists and paint the walls in blood. Obviously the real answer is the developers didn't consider/didn't know how debilitating it would've been to let out that much blood at once. But if you really need an in-universe explanation, just assume that during his free time hours he covered, say, a few square feet of wall/floor every day for several days in a row and cleaned it up before Abstergo found it. The stains would then be invisible to the naked eye but not to Eagle Vision (which no one at Abstergo has, apparently). ''Then'' he slit his wrists and killed himself, and possibly used the blood to put in whatever "finishing touches" he saw fit.



*** Except there's just not enough blood in the human body to do all that writing.

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*** ** Except there's just not enough blood in the human body to do all that writing.



*** Except what was he going to do with the mop and whatever he used to soak up the blood?

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*** ** Except what was he going to do with the mop and whatever he used to soak up the blood?
31st Oct '14 12:26:15 PM LongLiveHumour
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*** TruthInTelevision. A good example of this would be ChristopherLee; he is noted as being an incredibly skilled swordsman, with lightning-fast arms and an agile upper body, but he's old and his legwork isn't anywhere near as good as his upper-bodywork. That's why in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, a lot of shots involving Dooku fighting were from the waist up. Altaïr is the exact same way.

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*** TruthInTelevision. A good example of this would be ChristopherLee; Creator/ChristopherLee; he is noted as being an incredibly skilled swordsman, with lightning-fast arms and an agile upper body, but he's old and his legwork isn't anywhere near as good as his upper-bodywork. That's why in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels, a lot of shots involving Dooku fighting were from the waist up. Altaïr is the exact same way.
19th Oct '14 4:06:18 AM ClothSewenIntoYou
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** Also remember that Dante Moro from the second game survived getting stabbed in the head (which happened in real life) so it's not all that far fetched that a guy in super tough armor can survive less
6th Aug '14 8:50:06 AM DuskNoble
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