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** They want to awaken knowledge for themselves and mind control everyone else.
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** How does that bother you? The Assassins are fighting for freedom and while they are flawed, the Templars are LITERAL FASCISTS AND DICTATORS WHO WANT TO CONTROL THE WORLD! Their ranks include Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and tyrannical kings who do genocide for fun and think people like you and me are too stupid to think for themselves. In a world where right-wing populism and love for dictators like Putin and Xi Jinping are going up, it might be bad to have a story where power-hungry fascists and oligarchs are the 'good guys' who fight the eeevil Assassins with their freedom and democracy. That gives UnfortunateImplications to say the least.
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** In general, they believe HobbesWasRight and humanity needs to be ruled by wise but brutal autocrats in order to save it from its own destructive influences. "To guide all wayward minds to safe and sober thought", as Grand Master Torres puts it in ''Black Flag''. As the Order has been around for a very long time, the exact details tend to vary - The medieval European Templars sought to use the Apple of Eden to achieve their goal, while the Colonial Brotherhood was more focused on [[BoringButPractical controlling the economy and placing their agents in positions of power]], the proto-Templar "Order of the Ancients" believed humanity's rightful masters were the Isu, whereas later Templars tend to believe that the Order itself should rule humanity - but the general idea remains the same. Rodrigo Borgia is a special case in that he abandoned all pretext that the Order had any ideals beyond obtaining power for its own sake, to the point where the modern Templars actually refer to his tenure as Grand Master as "the dark ages of the Order".

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** In general, they believe HobbesWasRight and humanity needs to be ruled by wise but brutal autocrats in order to save it from its own destructive influences. "To guide all wayward minds to safe and sober thought", as Grand Master Torres puts it in ''Black Flag''. As the Order has been around for a very long time, the exact details tend to vary - The medieval European Templars sought to use the Apple of Eden to achieve their goal, while the Colonial Brotherhood was more focused on [[BoringButPractical controlling the economy and placing their agents in positions of power]], power]]; the proto-Templar "Order of the Ancients" believed humanity's rightful masters were the Isu, whereas later Templars tend to believe that the Order itself should rule humanity - but the general idea remains the same. Rodrigo Borgia is a special case in that he abandoned all pretext that the Order had any ideals beyond obtaining power for its own sake, to the point where the modern Templars actually refer to his tenure as Grand Master as "the dark ages of the Order".
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** In general, they believe HobbesWasRight and humanity needs to be ruled by wise but brutal autocrats in order to save it from its own destructive influences. "To guide all wayward minds to safe and sober thought", as Grand Master Torres puts it in ''Black Flag''. As the Order has been around for a very long time, the exact details tend to vary - The medieval European Templars sought to use the Apple of Eden to achieve their goal, while the Colonial Brotherhood was more focused on [[BoringButPractical controlling the economy and placing their agents in positions of power]], the proto-Templar "Order of the Ancients" believed humanity's rightful masters were the Isu, whereas later Templars tend to believe that the Order itself should rule humanity - but the general idea remains the same. Rodrigo Borgia is a special case in that he abandoned all pretext that the Order had any ideals beyond obtaining power for its own sake, to the point where the modern Templars actually refer to his tenure as Grand Master as "the dark ages of the Order".

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** One possibility is that it's simply an {{Aversion}} of RagnarokProofing - It makes sense that the Isu would build their superweapons/brainwashing tools/long-term information storage devices/etc. to last forever, but why waste that much effort and resources on building furniture? There's no reason to build a couch durable enough to survive 75,000 years of neglect.




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** Only two complete ''Homo habilis'' skeletons have ever been discovered. Ever. Bones of extinct animals are in general a lot less common than people think - It's entirely possible it's simply a matter of bad luck that nobody's ever found an intact Isu skeleton.

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** Given a few ISU DID survive, that's probably what some of them did do. Not that you could fit a whole civilization in those areas in the first place. Also, a lot can happen in thousands of years. Just because that site was human safe in 2012 doesn't mean it was perfectly safe for the ISU.

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** Given a few ISU DID survive, that's probably what some of them did do. Not that you could fit a whole civilization in those areas in the first place. Also, a lot can happen in thousands of years. Just because that site was human safe in 2012 doesn't mean it was perfectly safe for the ISU. [[/folder]]
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* Black Flag, Syndicate, and Valhalla all have mechanics where the protagonist can put on their hood while trying to be stealthy, then take it off once they enter open combat. Wouldn't the opposite make more sense? That is, hiding the extremely-suspicious-looking hood that marks them as an assassin when trying to blend in with a crowd, but putting it on once they're in a fight so that any witnesses have a harder time identifying their face.

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** The AC Wiki has a list of each know Piece of Eden and a description of everything we see them do.


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** Juno mentions that after the disaster they "destroyed what they could, hid what they could not". Anything not nailed down was likely destroyed or taken before they sealed up. Why waste a good chair after the end of the world?


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** Who says they didn't? But ISU and humans are almost completely the same from a physical standpoint. Presumably any skeletons dug up would be presumed to be a primordial human and registered as such. Unless the ISU had an extra set of ribs or something, but the games say the main differences are in their senses.


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** Given a few ISU DID survive, that's probably what some of them did do. Not that you could fit a whole civilization in those areas in the first place. Also, a lot can happen in thousands of years. Just because that site was human safe in 2012 doesn't mean it was perfectly safe for the ISU.
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* ''Headscratchers/AssassinsCreedValhalla''
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* In ''Assassins Creed III'', it's mentioned that the ISU tried to find a bunch of ways to preserve their species but couldn't find any before the solar flare hit. Later games in the series, particularly those set in Ancient Times, depict a number of ISU ruins which look surprisingly intact 750,000 years after the disaster and seem to have a ton of space inside. Which begs the question, why couldn't/didn't the ISU use those facilities as bunkers until the surface was reasonably safe to emerge onto again? Especially since the end of ''III'' seems to show that Desmond and his fellow assassins would be perfectly fine inside the grand temple and would be able to survive until the danger had passed, assuming he wasn't being flat out lied to.

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* In ''Assassins Creed III'', it's mentioned that the ISU tried to find a bunch of ways to preserve their species but couldn't find any before the solar flare hit. Later games in the series, particularly those set in Ancient Times, depict a number of ISU ruins which look surprisingly intact 750,000 75000 years after the disaster and seem to have a ton of space inside. Which begs the question, why couldn't/didn't the ISU use those facilities as bunkers until the surface was reasonably safe to emerge onto again? Especially since the end of ''III'' seems to show that Desmond and his fellow assassins would be perfectly fine inside the grand temple and would be able to survive until the danger had passed, assuming he wasn't being flat out lied to.
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* Is there any significance, Watsonian or Doylist, why Altaïr’s Sword has been in the possession of Altaïr, Ezio, Edward, & Shay, but not any of the other protagonists? Connor & all other Assassins either during or after his time don’t ever possess the sword, while Bayek & the Mistos obviously can’t because they existed before Altaïr was even born.

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** Probably has something to do with Templar leadership being wiped out every few decades by up and coming Assassins.
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** Ezio gives some expansion in Revelations - It's a philosophical statement above all else. "Nothing is true" is a statement that reality is based in our perceptions, and our perceptions are warped by our experiences and views. Society itself is fragile, and we must constantly be building or even rebuilding it. "Everything is permitted" is a reminder that we CAN do anything within that society - but we are not free of those consequences of those actions. Which ties in pretty well with the idea of "stay your blade from the flesh of the innocent, hide in plain sight, and do not compromise the brotherhood." Murdering the innocent means that they're just indiscriminate killers, keeping their presence hidden keeps their anonymity, so that the Brotherhood is not compromised and they can keep at their work of guiding civilization, with the previous two tenets also contributing to the sustainability of the last one.

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