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15th Nov '17 4:44:36 AM jormis29
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17th Sep '17 9:51:13 PM EricW
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** As mentioned in the tropes pages, this is just a construct the Brotherhood seems to be linked to. Each of the protagonists even elaborate this some that to say nothing is true is just that times change, and we must change with them. Or to say everything is permitted is to say only WE can be responsible for our actions. It's one of those philosophical paradoxes that come with the brotherhood being a shadow brotherhood. Besides, the 3 rules of the order are not really the creed.
9th Sep '17 11:55:01 AM brokensilence
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[[folder: Everything is permitted, but we have rules.]]

* If "Nothing is true, everything is permitted," why does the Creed exist? It's basically saying, "Everything is permitted, except for killing innocents, not blending in, and compromising us," which seems inconsistent. Altair actually asks this question in the first game, but Al Mualim just kind of hand waves it.

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31st Aug '17 2:53:32 PM HalcyonDayz
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* Is the "genetic memory" justification for the Animus still canon? If it is, how is Desmond able to relive the memories of old Altair and Ezio? With Ezio, I can assume that by the events of ''Revelations'' he still hasn't sired a child, but for Altair, we're ''specifically shown'' in AC2 that Desmond can no longer follow him after gettin' jiggy with Maria. Which makes it rather jarring when in ACR we're back with elderly Altair.

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* Is the "genetic memory" justification for the Animus still canon? If it is, how is Desmond able to relive the memories of old Altair and Ezio? With Ezio, I can assume that by the events of ''Revelations'' he still hasn't sired a child, but for Altair, we're ''specifically shown'' in AC2 VideoGame/AssassinsCreedII that Desmond can no longer follow him after gettin' jiggy with Maria. Which makes it rather jarring when in ACR we're back with elderly Altair.



* Is there an explanation for the interrogate-the-target-after-assassinating-him cutscenes? The stylistics make it look like an Animus thing, but the historical assassin clearly got information from the target at that point in history (i.e., Altaïr learns of the Templars in one of these Corridor scenes. If it was really an Animus thing, only Desmond should have heard any of that, right?). And how would the Animus even do anything like that, when it can only access ancestral memories? Or are memory corridors some kind of Assassin skill?

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* Is there an explanation for the interrogate-the-target-after-assassinating-him cutscenes? The stylistics make it look like an Animus thing, but the historical assassin clearly got information from the target at that point in history (i.e., Altaïr learns of the Templars in one of these Corridor scenes. If it was really an Animus thing, only Desmond should have heard any of that, right?). And how would the Animus even do anything like that, when it can only access ancestral memories? Or are memory corridors some kind of Assassin skill?
7th Mar '17 10:38:34 AM Khazzadumm
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** This right here. The implications of that are simply staggering. A man (or a group of men) have the abillity to basically [[spoiler: rewrite reality, something in the domain of God(s).]]. In order to grasp the significance of this let's consider the following: if it is to be believed the in-universe lore, if humans [[spoiler: are apparently wholy mundane, lacking any soul or something else that would make us "special"]], what's to prevent someone from creating an AI orders of magnitude more powerfull than any human(s) could ever be, with the machine's ability to focus singularily on one thought, and [[spoiler: overwriting reality]]? Long story short, the very possibility of such a thing puts a VERY strong argument in any theist's case (not to mention effectively toppling a number of philosophies and strongly reinforcing others). Also, the Templars are thus correct in the end, by enthralling all of humanity, they can just wish a utopian society to become a reality...and it simply would.

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** This right here. The implications of that are simply staggering. A man (or a group of men) have the abillity to basically [[spoiler: rewrite reality, something in the domain of God(s).]]. In order to grasp the significance of this let's consider the following: if it is to be believed the in-universe lore, if humans [[spoiler: are apparently wholy mundane, lacking any soul or something else that would make us "special"]], what's to prevent someone from creating an AI orders of magnitude more powerfull than any human(s) could ever be, with the machine's ability to focus singularily on one thought, and [[spoiler: overwriting reality]]? Long story short, the very possibility of such a thing puts a VERY strong argument in any theist's theist/deist/idealist's case (not to mention effectively toppling a number of philosophies and strongly reinforcing others). Also, the Templars are thus correct in the end, by enthralling all of humanity, they can just wish a utopian society to become a reality...and it simply would.
23rd Feb '17 9:16:06 AM ChaoticNovelist
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** ''Film/AssassinsCreed2016'' introduced the Crane-Style-Animus which does indeed imply a "control their bodies like his own" system, except there's a difference. The film states that, instead of Cal directing an avatar of his ancestor, he is mimicking his ancestor's movements. In other words, Aguilar is in the driver's seat, not Cal.



** Yes. Yes they do.

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** Yes. Yes they do.
do. That delusion is why the Assassins keep plunging Hidden Blades into their throats.



** I'm not entirely sure there ''is'' one, at least for the flags. The fragments, if memory serves, were mentioned in a semi-offhand comment about being literal "fragments" of data that needed to be collected so they could get more information. Basically, Desmond was going off-script for a bit to run around grabbing shinies. Even that justfication was lost basically immediately afterward, with it becoming almost strictly Doylist in nature. "Collect the things because they're things that you collect."

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** I'm not entirely sure there ''is'' one, at least for the flags. The fragments, if memory serves, were mentioned in a semi-offhand comment about being literal "fragments" of data that needed to be collected so they could get more information.information. The flags were described in the first game's manual as being additional memories that were not directly related to the main one. Basically, Desmond was going off-script for a bit to run around grabbing shinies. Even that justfication was lost basically immediately afterward, with it becoming almost strictly Doylist in nature. "Collect the things because they're things that you collect."



** Its actually Fridge brilliance I think: Imagine you are member of technologically super advanced race, but you use a slave force. For building complex devices and technologies, you would have to give them education HOW it works, and that is dangerous and very long term. I believe Apples do not just mind control humans, but also contains knowledge, so the slaves would have been show what to do by apple.

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** Its actually Fridge brilliance I think: Imagine you are member of technologically super advanced race, but you use a slave force. For building complex devices and technologies, you would have to give them education on HOW it works, and that is dangerous and very long term. I believe Apples do not just mind control humans, but also contains knowledge, so the slaves would have been show what to do by apple.
21st Jan '17 12:54:33 PM syrusdark
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** The term was the name of a secret order before it became the word for murder, in real life. The Assassins from the first game are literally part of this order, and the concept of the game is that it, as the Templars, kept existing until way after their real life counterparts disappeared. So yeah, they don't call themselves Assassins because they're proud murderers, the term "assassin" came to represent "murder" because of their methods.
30th Dec '16 9:07:43 PM MadAnthony94
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9th Dec '16 2:08:18 AM EricW
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