History Headscratchers / Arrow

2nd Apr '17 9:41:42 PM KeithM
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** There's a legitimate question about whether Oliver really enjoys killing or whether he just finds it really easy. If he enjoyed killing there were many opportunities, even back in Season One, where he could have simply offed an opponent but he tended to at least try to take another option first, which argues against the "enjoying" part. On the other hand, if the truth was that he found it easy, then that explains his actions much better: he doesn't enjoy killing, but he's so good at it that it becomes his default option when faced with an obstacle. "I'm giving you the chance to surrender. No? Okay, dead. Hmm, I'm stuck in an awkward situation in which I could try to find a way out. Or I could just kill that guy. Sucks to be him." In essence, he killed because he was too lazy to look hard for other options or unable to see them. When all you have is a hammer, ''et cetera et cetera''. Later seasons were him trying to overcome that, to look for those other options before resorting to killing. All Adrian did was to make him think he enjoyed causing death when really it was that causing death was what he was really good at, and he's begun to believe the latter was because of the former.
2nd Apr '17 7:15:58 AM TooManyIdeasInMyHead
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** Because he wanted to prove a point to Quentin, and piss off Team Arrow.


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** Plus, for your original points, he had that whole season-long arc because he wanted to honor Tommy. I'm pretty sure that between something you have a guilty pleasure about and honoring your best friend by not fulfilling that guilty pleasure, you'd chose the latter. As for the Bravta, he wanted to go home to his family and fulfill his father's List, which Oliver could use as an excuse to kill them. Besides, for the League of Assasins, A. He was going to be brainwashed into becoming Ra's heir, and forced to kill people, in the leagues honor and code, something I'm pretty sure is a bit of a Bad Thing. B. He's being forced to marry (and possibly rape to produce a heir) a queer woman who was the lover of one of his great friends, dishonoring her memory and C. He would have to destroy Star City. Even if Oliver liked killing, I'm pretty sure that he's not going to just easily cross those lines because he enjoyed [[NeckSnap snapping people's necks.]]
1st Apr '17 2:39:30 PM immortalfrieza
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** Yes, but the problem is they didn't even TRY anything else, they just jumped straight to breaking Diggle out. At least the second time Diggle ends up in prison the General is actively trying to get him killed, so they have good reason to get him out right then, but there was nothing like that established the first time. Hell, as a last resort getting Diggle assigned to the Suicide Squad for a few missions before he's pardoned would have been risky but at least legal.


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** It's made clear at the end of "Disbanded" that Chase is merely a psychopath projecting his own love of killing onto Oliver in order to break him and for the sake of rationalizing his own actions. Almost everything Chase claims about Oliver during the episode applies to him even more than it does Oliver if it applies to Oliver at all.
30th Mar '17 2:06:38 PM FrenchSaga
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** Main question gets an answer in 'Disbanded': Quentin told the council that Ollie was doing a spiritual retreat, while Chase took a leave of absence following his wife's death. As for the second question: cold, tea, and the will to not be unmasked?
28th Mar '17 1:13:55 PM speyeker
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* I might be jumping the gun here as it's possible "Disbanded" will address this issue, but knowing ''Arrow'' by now, I wouldn't be surprised if they glossed over it. So, doesn't anyone notice that the mayor of Star City has been missing for nearly a week with no explanation? Maybe Chase comes in from time to time and gives them a bullshit excuse? Or is he torturing Oliver during normal work hours, which would make him absent as well? Maybe during the times he's ''not'' at the prison he's still not in the public eye at all, for all we know. So if the two highest city officials have mysteriously disappeared, you'd think there be some sort of uproar. Furthermore, when Oliver is finally released, how does he make it back all the way to the Bunker, in a severely weakened state (both physically and psychologically) with no disguise, without anyone else recognizing him? My guess is that this was probably at something like 4:30 AM when there's practically no one around anywhere, but even then, you'd think ''someone'' would see him.

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* I might be jumping the gun here as it's possible "Disbanded" will address this issue, but knowing ''Arrow'' by now, I wouldn't be surprised if they [[HandWave glossed over it.it]]. So, doesn't anyone notice that the mayor of Star City has been missing for nearly a week with no explanation? Maybe Chase comes in from time to time and gives them a bullshit excuse? Or is he torturing Oliver during normal work hours, which would make him absent as well? Maybe during the times he's ''not'' at the prison he's still not in the public eye at all, for all we know. So if the two highest city officials have mysteriously disappeared, you'd think there be some sort of uproar. Furthermore, when Oliver is finally released, how does he make it back all the way to the Bunker, in a severely weakened state (both physically and psychologically) with no disguise, without anyone else recognizing him? My guess is that this was probably at something like 4:30 AM when there's practically no one around anywhere, but even then, you'd think ''someone'' would see him.
28th Mar '17 1:13:12 PM speyeker
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[[folder: The mayor and DA's absence during "Kapiushon"]]
* I might be jumping the gun here as it's possible "Disbanded" will address this issue, but knowing ''Arrow'' by now, I wouldn't be surprised if they glossed over it. So, doesn't anyone notice that the mayor of Star City has been missing for nearly a week with no explanation? Maybe Chase comes in from time to time and gives them a bullshit excuse? Or is he torturing Oliver during normal work hours, which would make him absent as well? Maybe during the times he's ''not'' at the prison he's still not in the public eye at all, for all we know. So if the two highest city officials have mysteriously disappeared, you'd think there be some sort of uproar. Furthermore, when Oliver is finally released, how does he make it back all the way to the Bunker, in a severely weakened state (both physically and psychologically) with no disguise, without anyone else recognizing him? My guess is that this was probably at something like 4:30 AM when there's practically no one around anywhere, but even then, you'd think ''someone'' would see him.
25th Mar '17 9:46:05 AM h31r-of-l1f3
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[[folder: "I kill because I like it!]]
*Do you now? Then why did you have a whole season-long arc about NOT DOING THAT? Or all the times you stopped other people from killing? Come to think of it, you could have stayed in the Bravta and been a mob killer, or stayed in the League of Assassins. This makes no sense! If he liked killling, he never would give his "victims" a chance, rather than sparing everyone he could. Prometheus, if he liked killing, you would not be here! What with his bombing skills, archery skills, and ability to walk in to your house as the MAYOR WHOM YOU WORK FOR and plant a bomb!This was literally made up last minute to try and shook viewers!
22nd Feb '17 11:44:22 AM Tsar673
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** Plus, Thea has a history that would arouse the public's sympathy. Both her parents were murdered (one of them violently before her eyes). Her mother was on trial for mass-murder. She had a drug-habit but then got clean, did community service at CNRI, and basically turned her life around by successfully running a club and later working as her brother's campaign manager. Her ex-boyfriend (as far as the public is concerned) turned out to be the vigilante known as the Arrow, who ended up surrendering to the authorities and was killed in prison. She's had a pretty rough life and yet persevered and managed to pull herself together and follow in her parents' and brothers' footsteps to do something for the city - hell, the public probably loves her more than they do Oliver!
20th Feb '17 11:31:57 PM bigfatcarp93
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** Lyla makes the argument that John isn't thinking clearly out of guilt, and she is correct. Furthermore, John has a son to think of; he doesn't have the luxury of being allowed to sit in prison boo-hoo-hooing, not when he and those closest to him know full well that he's innocent. As far as Lyla and Ollie are concerned, Dig's obviously family, and sometimes family's job is to do what's best for you when you're full of shit.
16th Feb '17 1:01:43 PM Discar
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** It's pretty common to give friends and family members key roles in your administration. Heavily frowned upon, but not actually illegal. The fact that Thea is good at her job (arguably better than Oliver) probably helped smooth out some of the public problems with the appointment.
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