History Headscratchers / Arrow

20th Apr '18 6:06:09 AM DaveJohn
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** The most recent episode shows that the Undertaking made the list as part of their original plan to save the city so their names would not be in it. Just names of those they were blackmailing because they were the city's worst, they were using those names to fund betterment projects for the city namely, the Glades. That was Plan 1.0, Plan 2.0 was nuke the Glades. The only reason Malcolm was worried about the Vigilante going after people from Plan 1.O is that eventually, just like he did, he would stumble upon Plan 2.0.

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** The most recent episode shows that the Undertaking made the list as part of their original plan to save the city so their names would not be in it. Just names of those they were blackmailing because they were the city's worst, they were using those names to fund betterment projects for the city namely, the Glades. That was Plan 1.0, Plan 2.0 was nuke the Glades. The only reason Malcolm was worried about the Vigilante going after people from Plan 1.O 0 is that eventually, just like he did, he would stumble upon Plan 2.0.
1st Apr '18 1:57:11 PM RavenWilder
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* Simple answer: he's paying her. Or, more precisely, offering her an equal share in a $70 million payday. She turns on him now, she loses that.
27th Mar '18 8:08:00 PM Arrowhead
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There's several problems with the whole scenario depicted in 6x14. Namely...

* The video footage from the bank in Corto Maltese shows Black Siren withdrawing the money, in person. They don't say precisely when the money was taken but it is suggested that it occurred sometime after Cayden James died. It doesn't really matter, however, because previous episodes had established that there was no way in or out of the Star City except by chartered helicopter thanks to James destroying every path out of town and shutting down the harbor and airport. This means that either Black Siren learned of James' death and arranged a way out of the city and traveled to a South American nation on a day's notice to steal the money or (in an even more unlikely scenario) she made arrangements to sneak out of Star City while it was under siege, stole the money, and came back without anyone noticing her absence.
** This also ignores the problem of how Black Siren could have accessed the account in person in the first place as it is unlikely the notoriously paranoid Cayden James gave his allies - all of whom are career criminals in some capacity - access to his private secure account.
* Regardless of precisely when Black Siren stole the money, there is no logical reason for her to have come back to Star City. If she came back while James was still alive, she risked his finding out about her treachery. If she came back after his death, she risked running afoul of her former allies and Team Arrow.
** Her return to Star City is even more nonsensical given her stated goal of just wanting to go away somewhere tropical and disappear.
* It's also odd that nobody on Team Arrow thinks to question the footage from the bank and make sure it is legitimate, given their recent troubles with faked video footage being responsible for framing Green Arrow for the murder of Cayden James's son.
* And all of this is completely pointless since there's no way Black Siren should have been able to have stolen the money after Cayden James' death, since she spent the entire time immediately after James' capture being held captive by Quentin Lance in his cabin in the woods.
16th Feb '18 4:07:33 PM hunter139
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** You know that same question can apply to Prometheus as well, and the answer seems to be that the writers are trying to make a potential Black Siren redemption seem believable so that she's "not helping them of her own choice." But yeah, the likes of Cayden James or Prometheus kinda pale in the intimidation factor when compared to Zoom, so her submission to both of them is rather odd. Especially considering that she was seemingly Hunter Zoloman's right hand woman, which I find it hard to believe she would get so far if Earth-2 Laurel was even remotely squeamish about killing people.
11th Feb '18 3:24:44 AM Forenperser
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* I mean really, there was literally NO REASON WHATSOEVER for her to comply with killing Vincent. He had absolutely nothing to threaten her with. In the very next episode, Black Siren has no problems pushing James's buttons and blasting him right on his ass with a sonic scream.
2nd Feb '18 10:44:36 AM hunter139
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** Maybe he woke up in the morgue once the forencisc doctor took the bullet out of his head.

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** Maybe he woke up in the morgue once the forencisc forensic doctor took the bullet out of his head.head.
** Was it ever said that the police recovered his body? Considering that they were in Sonus' clutches, it's not inconceivable that he had Vincent's body disposed of, only for him to recover later. Dinah's testimony later was probably enough to consider Vincent dead, especially since the Dark Matter explosion had just happened and no one had any idea he would become a metahuman. Granted, it's probably something they looked into, but after so many years, it probably just got lower on the list of priorities.
26th Jan '18 8:52:32 AM hunter139
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** Because it's not Arrow unless he gets in some kind of trouble with law enforcement, which also seems to happen annually. Never mind the fact that even if he was found to be the Green Arrow, I can imagine that the President alone would pardon him and his friends, considering they've been instrumental in saving the planet on no less than three separate occasions. I mean, they kinda have a point about law enforcement morale, but the police were actually good at their jobs, Green Arrow wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
21st Jan '18 7:20:41 PM lacrarte
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21st Jan '18 7:11:10 PM lacrarte
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* Why do both, the counsilwoman and the FBI's agent, think it's a good idea arrest the Green Arrow and company when has been proved that they're the only ones capable of dealing with the kind of menaces Star City faces on annual basis.
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* Why *Why do both, the counsilwoman and the FBI's agent, think it's a good idea arrest the Green Arrow and company when company? It has been proved that they're the only ones capable of dealing with the kind of menaces Star City faces on annual basis.
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21st Jan '18 7:01:34 PM lacrarte
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*Why do both, the counsilwoman and the FBI's agent, think it's a good idea arrest the Green Arrow and company when has been proved that they're the only ones capable of dealing with the kind of menaces Star City faces on annual basis.
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