History Headscratchers / ANightmareOnElmStreet

12th Jul '17 4:05:18 PM ThatSpyChick
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** Plus, throughout the series, the adults don't even seem to be willing to accept that Freddy can even return after his death. Since, depending on which movie you're watching, Freddy needs fear to be able to come back and kill people, he might not be able to touch the parents due to their complete lack of fear.
12th Jul '17 4:01:30 PM ThatSpyChick
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** Assuming Jason X is cannon to Freddy AND Freddy's Dead is non cannon (I know it happens ten years from now but given that the Earth is still there it's clearly prior to the events of Jason X) or he recovers from that at some point.

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** Assuming Jason X is cannon canon to Freddy AND Freddy's Dead is non cannon canon (I know it happens ten years from now but given that the Earth is still there it's clearly prior to the events of Jason X) or he recovers from that at some point.
12th Jul '17 4:01:12 PM ThatSpyChick
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** Assuming Jason X is cannon to Freddy AND Freddy's Dead is non cannon (I know it happens ten years from now but given that the Earth is still there it's clearly prior to the events of Jason X) or he recovers from that at some point the easiest answer is that he's on a ship or space station. By Nightmare 5 Freddy could presumably pop up in the dreams of Alice and Jacob as the power is genetic. Freddy vs Jason suggests that he can jump into anybody who fears him enough. He's essentially the boogeyman at that point. As long as someone out there believes and spreads the word Freddy lives. Given the irony of the series it's entirely possible that there is a space station named Elm out there. Just like the ships are named after monsters.

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** Assuming Jason X is cannon to Freddy AND Freddy's Dead is non cannon (I know it happens ten years from now but given that the Earth is still there it's clearly prior to the events of Jason X) or he recovers from that at some point the point.
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easiest answer is that he's on a ship or space station. By Nightmare 5 Freddy could presumably pop up in the dreams of Alice and Jacob as the power is genetic. Freddy vs Jason suggests that he can jump into anybody who fears him enough. He's essentially the boogeyman at that point. As long as someone out there believes and spreads the word Freddy lives. Given the irony of the series it's entirely possible that there is a space station named Elm out there. Just like the ships are named after monsters.
12th Jul '17 3:59:20 PM ThatSpyChick
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*** Yes, Nancy specifically calls her father come over and "arrest the guy when I bring him out." But, because her mother barred all the windows and locked the door, he can't get in, so Nancy pretty much has to try and fight Freddy to the death. It doesn't really work, but it at least proves the Freddy is somewhat vulnerable in the real world. Of course, given that Freddy was burned to death already and it didn't take, it's likely that he just can't be killed, simply slipping back into the dream world whenever his physical body dies. Locking him up would seem a viable option, but you really logistically can't keep him contained for all time. Eventually, he'd get out, or get "dead," with pretty much the same result as defeating him at the end of a Nightmare on Elm Street movie: temporary peace until he gets his shit back together and starts all over again.

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*** Yes, Nancy specifically calls her father come over and "arrest the guy when I bring him out." But, because her mother barred all the windows and locked the door, he can't get in, so Nancy pretty much has to try and fight Freddy to the death. It doesn't really work, but it at least proves the that Freddy is somewhat vulnerable in the real world. Of course, given that Freddy was burned to death already and it didn't take, it's likely that he just can't be killed, simply slipping back into the dream world whenever his physical body dies. Locking him up would seem a viable option, but you really logistically can't keep him contained for all time. Eventually, he'd get out, or get "dead," with pretty much the same result as defeating him at the end of a Nightmare on Elm Street movie: temporary peace until he gets his shit back together and starts all over again.
12th Jul '17 3:58:47 PM ThatSpyChick
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*** Yes, Nancy specifically calls here father come over and "arrest the guy when I bring him out." But, because her mother barred all the windows and locked the door, he can't get in, so Nancy pretty much has to try and fight Freddy to the death. It doesn't really work, but it at least proves the Freddy is somewhat vulnerable in the real world. Of course, given that Freddy was burned to death already and it didn't take, it's likely that he just can't be killed, simply slipping back into the dream world whenever his physical body dies. Locking him up would seem a viable option, but you really logistically can't keep him contained for all time. Eventually, he'd get out, or get "dead," with pretty much the same result as defeating him at the end of a Nightmare on Elm Street movie: temporary peace until he gets his shit back together and starts all over again.

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*** Yes, Nancy specifically calls here her father come over and "arrest the guy when I bring him out." But, because her mother barred all the windows and locked the door, he can't get in, so Nancy pretty much has to try and fight Freddy to the death. It doesn't really work, but it at least proves the Freddy is somewhat vulnerable in the real world. Of course, given that Freddy was burned to death already and it didn't take, it's likely that he just can't be killed, simply slipping back into the dream world whenever his physical body dies. Locking him up would seem a viable option, but you really logistically can't keep him contained for all time. Eventually, he'd get out, or get "dead," with pretty much the same result as defeating him at the end of a Nightmare on Elm Street movie: temporary peace until he gets his shit back together and starts all over again.
12th Jul '17 3:51:30 PM ThatSpyChick
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*** Yeah, you can either keep taking hypnocil (a dream suppressant that causes long-term brain damage) or fight him and win. Or maybe just never go to Springwood, if you weren't born there. Otherwise, if he gets into your dreams, sooner or later you're toast.

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*** Yeah, you can either keep taking hypnocil (a (an in-universe dream suppressant that causes long-term brain damage) or fight him and win. Or maybe just never go to Springwood, if you weren't born there. Otherwise, if he gets into your dreams, sooner or later you're toast.
12th Jul '17 3:49:00 PM ThatSpyChick
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*** actually it was a victory for her, it wasnt that he was weak in the human world it was that without fear he has no power to actually hurt his victims. thats why he spends the first few visits scaring them until he has the power to physically hurt them. when nancy took away the energy she gave him she became someone untouchable to him and he had no power to manifest for many years when he regained enough strength to hunt the remaining elm street kids. but by that point she is an adult and has a real fear of freddy successfully killing the kids under her protection giving her a weakness he could exploit to be able to kill her

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*** actually Actually, it was a victory for her, it wasnt her. It wasn't that he was weak in the human world world, it was that without fear he has no power to actually hurt his victims. thats That's why he spends the first few visits visits/nights scaring them until he has the power to physically hurt them. when nancy When Nancy took away the energy she gave him him, she became someone untouchable to him and him. Thus he had no power to manifest for many years when until he regained enough strength to hunt the remaining elm street Elm Street kids. but But by that point she Nancy is an adult and has a real fear of freddy Freddy successfully killing the kids under her protection protection, giving her a weakness he could exploit to be able to finally kill herher.
12th Jul '17 3:35:30 PM ThatSpyChick
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* Because it was the "parents" symbol they used to identify Freddy. Remember, Nancy's mom retrieved the gloves after the burning, and kept them in her own boiler room. She shows them to Nancy as proof that they *killed Freddy. She saw them as a symbol of comfort, viewing the gloves seemed to reassure her that he was dead... Naturally adopting the gloves as his weapon of choice would incite an extra level of fear.

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* Because it was the "parents" parents' symbol that they used to identify Freddy. Remember, Nancy's mom retrieved the gloves after the burning, and kept them in her own boiler room. She shows them to Nancy as proof that they *killed killed Freddy. She saw them as a symbol of comfort, and viewing the gloves seemed to reassure her that he was dead... Naturally Naturally, adopting the gloves as his weapon of choice would incite an extra level of fear.
12th Jul '17 3:33:31 PM ThatSpyChick
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** The text in the begining of the 6th movie says it takes place "Ten years from now". Assuming this doesn't mean "Ten years from 1991 when this movie was released" and is instead intended to be relative to the viewer, then Freddy's Dead hasn't happened yet, just like Jason X.

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** The text in the begining beginning of the 6th movie says it takes place "Ten years from now". Assuming this doesn't mean "Ten years from 1991 when this movie was released" and is instead intended to be relative to the viewer, then Freddy's Dead hasn't happened yet, just like Jason X.X.
***Freddy's Dead already happened by the time the events of Freddy vs Jason start. There are some clips from Freddy's Dead included in the FvJ introduction sequence.
12th Jul '17 3:20:01 PM ThatSpyChick
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* Throughout the franchise, Freddy shows ''some'' martial arts prowess while in dreams, where he doesn't actually have to know how to do the move, since he's a reality warper. And for all the major installments, in the real world he can't even handle untrained teenage girls and gets severely hindered by homemade booby traps, as you'd expect since both before and after he died, he never killed anyone fighting back. So in Freddy Vs Jason, how the fuck does he manage to not only endure blows from, but also defeat ''Jason Vorhees'', who becomes stronger after each ressurection, and was punching people's heads off two ressurections ago? Freddy jumps and flips and kick around like Jackie Chan, and keeps fighting after being thrown dozens of yards and losing his arm. Does this fall under the MST3KMantra, since the movie would be boring if the final fight was a CurbStompBattle in Jason's favor, or did he train with young Bruce Lee when he was alive and not murdering children, and just now remembered how to use his skills?

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* Throughout the franchise, Freddy shows ''some'' martial arts prowess while in dreams, where he doesn't actually have to know how to do the move, since he's a reality warper. And for all the major installments, in the real world he can't even handle untrained teenage girls and gets severely hindered by homemade booby traps, as you'd expect since both before and after he died, he never killed anyone fighting back. So in Freddy Vs vs Jason, how the fuck does he manage to not only endure blows from, but also defeat ''Jason Vorhees'', who becomes stronger after each ressurection, and was punching people's heads off two ressurections ago? Freddy jumps and flips and kick around like Jackie Chan, and keeps fighting after being thrown dozens of yards and losing his arm. Does this fall under the MST3KMantra, since the movie would be boring if the final fight was a CurbStompBattle in Jason's favor, or did he train with young Bruce Lee when he was alive and not murdering children, and just now remembered how to use his skills?
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