History Headscratchers / ACertainMagicalIndex

8th Jan '16 11:05:15 AM Willbyr
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** Really, it's because the Japanese perception of luck is different than it is here in the west. No good luck doesn't necessarily mean bad luck here, but in Japan, a certain amount of good luck is needed in order to protect one's self from misfortune. Take the manga ''Luck Thief'' for example: it starred a hit man that did his job by simply touching his target, thus taking their luck away, and his victim would immediately die in some inexplicable accident. The same thing goes for the Doppliner system in {{Kurokami}}, where when a person meets a stranger that's identical to them, one orr the pair gets all of the other's luck, and the one that loses the luck immediately dies in a similar manner to the people in ''Luck Thief.'' Thankfully for Touma, the author of TAMNI seems to tone down the repercussions of having no luck.

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** Really, it's because the Japanese perception of luck is different than it is here in the west. No good luck doesn't necessarily mean bad luck here, but in Japan, a certain amount of good luck is needed in order to protect one's self from misfortune. Take the manga ''Luck Thief'' for example: it starred a hit man that did his job by simply touching his target, thus taking their luck away, and his victim would immediately die in some inexplicable accident. The same thing goes for the Doppliner system in {{Kurokami}}, ''Manga/{{Kurokami}}'', where when a person meets a stranger that's identical to them, one orr the pair gets all of the other's luck, and the one that loses the luck immediately dies in a similar manner to the people in ''Luck Thief.'' Thankfully for Touma, the author of TAMNI seems to tone down the repercussions of having no luck.
7th Jan '16 7:03:02 PM nombretomado
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** Part of my problem is that it ''is'' a perfect conversion of energy with no spill over. Explaining why that is does not help. It works as well with Newton's Third Law as Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion does with Christinaity. In my head there must be a tipping point or upper limit where he can no longer force the conversion. Otherwise, in a Vs. Scenario, he's reflecting the [[Franchise/StarWars Death Star planet-buster]] or the [[SpaceRunawayIdeon Ideon Gun]]. Another problem is that if he keeps it on "reflect" then why does he not ''suffocate'' if he reflects everything coming in contact with him with their own force re-directed? No matter how minimal, the gas around us is in a constant state of motion. If he reflects things headed towards him by default, he'd reflect the very air around him as well. Unless he's warped reality to the point where he does not need to breath, we've got a problem. Subconsciously or unconsciously, he has to make a distinction between what is dangerous and what is not--but given it's reaction time via the sniper survival is just become a more blatant sign of ArtMajorPhysics. I '''HATE''' ArtMajorPhysics that tries to pass itself off as anything else.

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** Part of my problem is that it ''is'' a perfect conversion of energy with no spill over. Explaining why that is does not help. It works as well with Newton's Third Law as Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion does with Christinaity. In my head there must be a tipping point or upper limit where he can no longer force the conversion. Otherwise, in a Vs. Scenario, he's reflecting the [[Franchise/StarWars Death Star planet-buster]] or the [[SpaceRunawayIdeon [[Anime/SpaceRunawayIdeon Ideon Gun]]. Another problem is that if he keeps it on "reflect" then why does he not ''suffocate'' if he reflects everything coming in contact with him with their own force re-directed? No matter how minimal, the gas around us is in a constant state of motion. If he reflects things headed towards him by default, he'd reflect the very air around him as well. Unless he's warped reality to the point where he does not need to breath, we've got a problem. Subconsciously or unconsciously, he has to make a distinction between what is dangerous and what is not--but given it's reaction time via the sniper survival is just become a more blatant sign of ArtMajorPhysics. I '''HATE''' ArtMajorPhysics that tries to pass itself off as anything else.
4th Jan '16 4:37:54 PM MarkLungo
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** Gish Galloping aside, familiarize yourself with {{Kabbalah}}, especially the Tree of Sephirot.

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** Gish Galloping aside, familiarize yourself with {{Kabbalah}}, UsefulNotes/{{Kabbalah}}, especially the Tree of Sephirot.



** My apologies for not explaining clearer. Anyway, Kabbalah is ''really'' important to understand some of the stuff going on in the Magic Side (as well as Aleister Crowley's ideologies, but that's for another time). Besides Angel Fall, Index compares the goals of Academy City to achieve SYSTEM (or ''One who is not a god yet reaches the will of the Heavens'') to the teachings of the Kabbalah in volume 3 of Old Testament. Since the purpose of SYSTEM is to find a way to reach the will of the heavens and for Academy City to find a body that exceeds humans and can do God's calculations, this comes off as particularly blasphemous to Index. Simply put, SYSTEM is the achievement of becoming the same as God, and goes up against God's will, by removing one's self from His divine light, and, as it is not part of the emanation of God, being separate from His emanation and implying that the being in itself can have their own infinity. Then, when God's Right Seat was first referenced and introduced in volume 14, it was said that they believe God descended mixed among angels and pretended to be one to make contact with humanity, hence how they though they could become God through becoming an angel. ''Then'' you get Aiwass in volume 19, Aleister's old teacher and personal angel, which is described as the ''symbol of an element that is inside the world created by God and also outside the hands of God''. Finally, according to Fiamma of the Right himself, Angel Fall occurred only because there was a distortion of the Laws of the World, which would imply that a terribly powerful source pervaded and distorted the divine light of God in Kabbalah, perhaps something that is ''outside'' the system of God...In short, there is probably more to ''La Persona Superior a Dio'' then we currently know.

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** My apologies for not explaining clearer. Anyway, Kabbalah is ''really'' important to understand some of the stuff going on in the Magic Side (as well as Aleister Crowley's Creator/AleisterCrowley's ideologies, but that's for another time). Besides Angel Fall, Index compares the goals of Academy City to achieve SYSTEM (or ''One who is not a god yet reaches the will of the Heavens'') to the teachings of the Kabbalah in volume 3 of Old Testament. Since the purpose of SYSTEM is to find a way to reach the will of the heavens and for Academy City to find a body that exceeds humans and can do God's calculations, this comes off as particularly blasphemous to Index. Simply put, SYSTEM is the achievement of becoming the same as God, and goes up against God's will, by removing one's self from His divine light, and, as it is not part of the emanation of God, being separate from His emanation and implying that the being in itself can have their own infinity. Then, when God's Right Seat was first referenced and introduced in volume 14, it was said that they believe God descended mixed among angels and pretended to be one to make contact with humanity, hence how they though they could become God through becoming an angel. ''Then'' you get Aiwass in volume 19, Aleister's old teacher and personal angel, which is described as the ''symbol of an element that is inside the world created by God and also outside the hands of God''. Finally, according to Fiamma of the Right himself, Angel Fall occurred only because there was a distortion of the Laws of the World, which would imply that a terribly powerful source pervaded and distorted the divine light of God in Kabbalah, perhaps something that is ''outside'' the system of God...In short, there is probably more to ''La Persona Superior a Dio'' then we currently know.



** In A Scientific Railgun, Saten (who checks out these things) did notice rumors about other "Misakas" out there, and that's how Misaka Mikoto found out about it.
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** In A ''A Scientific Railgun, Railgun'', Saten (who checks out these things) did notice rumors about other "Misakas" out there, and that's how Misaka Mikoto found out about it.
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21st Oct '15 3:25:26 PM AtticusOmundson
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** Let us not forget that when Accelerator killed 00001, it was a complete accident. He was distracted by talking to the researcher, and let his deflection ability slide back into reflection, casuing the bullet 00001 shot to go right back at herself. The rest of the killings were just him trying to prove to himself that if the clones asked to stop the experiment themselves, then they would have only then become human enough to warrant being human. Touma beating him forced him to see them all as human, and acknowledge that what he did to the ten thousand Sisters was indeed cold-blooded murder. This is what leads to his self-loathing that he has yet to recover from.

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** Let us not forget that when Accelerator killed 00001, it was a complete accident. He was distracted by talking to the researcher, and let his deflection ability slide back into reflection, casuing the bullet 00001 shot to go right back at herself. The rest of the killings were just him trying to prove to himself that if the clones asked to stop the experiment themselves, then they would have only then become human self-aware enough to warrant being human. Touma beating him forced him to see them all as human, and acknowledge that what he did to the ten thousand Sisters was indeed cold-blooded murder. This is what leads to his self-loathing that he has yet to recover from.
21st Oct '15 3:24:34 PM AtticusOmundson
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** Let us not forget that when Accelerator killed 00001, it was a complete accident. He was distracted by talking to the researcher, and let his deflection ability slide back into reflection, casuing the bullet 00001 shot to go right back at herself. The rest of the killings were just him trying to prove to himself that if the clones asked to stop the experiment themselves, then they would have only then become human enough to warrant being human. Touma beating him forced him to see them all as human, and acknowledge that what he did to the ten thousand Sisters was indeed cold-blooded murder. This is what leads to his self-loathing that he has yet to recover from.
11th Aug '15 7:08:26 PM Nomdrac8
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** Thinking that espers actually calculate equations in their head as you would on paper is the wrong way to think about it. Think of it like this: I'm sure you've often tried to toss wastepaper into a garbage can before from across the room. When you do so, do you actually calculate parabolic trajectories and solve quadratic equations in order to to figure out much power is needed to land the shot? Of course not. You gauge and "calculate" things like depth, height, and distance with instinct and experience to make the shot. As hard as it is to visualize, in a similar fashion, espers use that innate "calculating" to emit electricity or to teleport. Keep in mind they can do this due to their tampered realities (however that works).
2nd Aug '15 12:55:51 PM SetsunasaNiWa
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** SO exactly how is Touma able to block an attack that according to the author moves at the speed of light? Also IF Misaka was in fact missing on purpose, then why? [[CaptainObvious Doesn't she know that making you attacks miss on purpose is not the best way to win a fight?]]

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** SO exactly how is Touma able to block an attack that according to the author moves at the speed of light? Also IF Misaka was in fact missing on purpose, then why? [[CaptainObvious Doesn't she know that making you attacks miss on purpose is not the best way to win a fight?]]fight?
24th Jun '15 1:33:41 PM Discar
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*** This one has the most merit. It isn't too much later that HOUND is sent after Accelerator and Last Order for another "experiment," and this time, they didn't even bother asking for consent. To top it off, when he defended himself and Last Order from Kihara, and HOUND, who were using lethal force, the "researchers" slapped him with an enormous debt due to the damages HOUND caused. So even if Accelerator had not agreed to the "Level 6 shift experiment" who's to say they wouldn't have done it anyway. They sure as heck didn't get Misaka's consent to use her DNA to make clones.

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*** ** This one has the most merit. It isn't too much later that HOUND is sent after Accelerator and Last Order for another "experiment," and this time, they didn't even bother asking for consent. To top it off, when he defended himself and Last Order from Kihara, and HOUND, who were using lethal force, the "researchers" slapped him with an enormous debt due to the damages HOUND caused. So even if Accelerator had not agreed to the "Level 6 shift experiment" who's to say they wouldn't have done it anyway. They sure as heck didn't get Misaka's consent to use her DNA to make clones.



*** Sorry but I'm not exaggerating, If go back and actually watch the fight you can clearly see that Amata punches Accelerator at least twice after his gloves broke. more than once counts as multiple right? And he even flat out says during the fight that his gloves got nothing to do with how he's bypassing his reflection.

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*** ** Sorry but I'm not exaggerating, If go back and actually watch the fight you can clearly see that Amata punches Accelerator at least twice after his gloves broke. more than once counts as multiple right? And he even flat out says during the fight that his gloves got nothing to do with how he's bypassing his reflection.
24th Jun '15 6:05:19 AM Harem-author
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** Many magic cabals also have taboos concerning technology whether by treaty with the "science" side or merely by their own dogma. In second testament, one such cabal went after Touma with a flintlock pistol rather than a modern firearm because that was the maximum "compromise" she could bring upon herself.

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** Many magic cabals also have taboos concerning technology whether by treaty with the "science" side or merely by their own dogma. In second testament, one such cabal Birdway of Dawn_colored Sunlight went after Touma with a flintlock pistol rather than a modern firearm because that was the maximum "compromise" she could bring upon herself.



Certain bible translations showing Lucifer as "the Cherub that covers God." Basically, it just means they want Lucifer's old job.

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Certain **Certain bible translations showing Lucifer show Lucifer, before his fall, as "the Cherub that covers God." Basically, it just means they want Lucifer's old job.job, God's chief of security.



** Given later revelations in the series, [[spoiler:the leveling system is complete bullshit. Everyone has a power, but the only ones that get developed to their full potential are the ones that Aleister deems most beneficial to his research, with all the others having to just chug along the same development path as those ones, despite the fact that trying to develop them the wrong way just flat out does not work(as evidenced by the very existence of level 0s). The stronger Espers who aren't level 5 have been deemed worth the effort to develop them, at least partway. Everyone undergoing the Esper program has the potential to be level 5, its just that the establishment doesn't want to put the extra effort and resources into developing each and every power to its fullest, so they just focus on the ones they really want]].

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** Given later revelations in the series, [[spoiler:the leveling system is complete bullshit. Everyone has a power, but the only ones that get developed to their full potential are the ones that Aleister deems most beneficial to his research, with all the others having to just chug along the same development path as those ones, despite the fact that trying to develop them the wrong way just flat out does not work(as evidenced by the very existence of level 0s). The stronger Espers who aren't level 5 have been deemed worth the effort to develop them, at least partway. Everyone undergoing the Esper program has the potential to be level 5, its it's just that the establishment doesn't want to put the extra effort and resources into developing each and every power to its fullest, so they just focus on the ones they really want]].



** In A Scientific Railgun, Saten (who checks out these things) did notice rumors about other "Misakas" out there, and that's how Misaka found out about it.

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** In A Scientific Railgun, Saten (who checks out these things) did notice rumors about other "Misakas" out there, and that's how Misaka Mikoto found out about it.
24th Jun '15 5:52:30 AM Harem-author
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** It is addressed, at least in A Certain Magical Index anime that cloning, in itself, is highly illegal by Touma. Misaka counters that A.) The board is fully aware of it and either explicitly, or more likely illicitly gave its consent for the sake of the "experiment," and B.) any attempt to expose it would just get the clones killed and disposed of for the sake of eliminating the evidence.



** It is mentioned that the espers of AC all took tests and drugs to increase their calculating speed and therefore their IQ. Plus it's implied that AIM fields help with the calculation of esper abilites. It wouldn't surprise me if the higher your level goes the more smarter you get to. This is supported by the fact that Level 5 Misaka a middle school student can easily help Touma a normal high school student. Also the strongest esper Accelerator needs nearly 10000 clones for him to have half his calculating speed back.

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** It is mentioned that the espers of AC all took tests and drugs to increase their calculating speed and therefore their IQ. Plus it's implied that AIM fields help with the calculation of esper abilites. It wouldn't surprise me if the higher your level goes the more smarter you get to.too. This is supported by the fact that Level 5 Misaka a middle school student can easily help Touma a normal high school student. Also the strongest esper Accelerator needs nearly 10000 clones for him to have half his calculating speed back.



** It's catchy. No really, "Biri-Biri" is simply the Japanese onomatopoeia for electricity and the English equivalents doesn't sound as good. Occasionally you'll find an english speaker who calls her "Sparky," "Shocker," or even "Pikachu," but for the most part people simply Touma's nickname for Mikoto cute and/or catchy. Even so, the above nicknames are still pretty prevalent amongst the english speakers.

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** It's catchy. No really, "Biri-Biri" is simply the Japanese onomatopoeia for electricity and the English equivalents doesn't sound as good. Occasionally you'll find an english speaker who calls her "Sparky," "Shocker," or even "Pikachu," but for the most part people simply find Touma's nickname for Mikoto cute and/or catchy. Even so, the above nicknames are still pretty prevalent amongst the english speakers.




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** Many magic cabals also have taboos concerning technology whether by treaty with the "science" side or merely by their own dogma. In second testament, one such cabal went after Touma with a flintlock pistol rather than a modern firearm because that was the maximum "compromise" she could bring upon herself.



Certain bible translations showing Lucifer as "the Cherub that covers God." Basically, it just means they want Lucifer's old job.



** He apparently acts much the same and probably went and read everything in his apartment. Also, most of the time he just pretends he knows. what people are talking about. Generally, people won't assume amnesia when he does slip up. Plus, he apparently missed most/all of the rest of the makeup lessons, so there was a significant time gap between his amnesia and when he next met his classmates.

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** He apparently acts much the same and probably went and read everything in his apartment. Also, most of the time he just pretends he knows. knows what people are talking about. Generally, people won't assume amnesia when he does slip up. Plus, he apparently missed most/all of the rest of the makeup lessons, so there was a significant time gap between his amnesia and when he next met his classmates.


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** In A Scientific Railgun, Saten (who checks out these things) did notice rumors about other "Misakas" out there, and that's how Misaka found out about it.
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