History HeadScratchers / TheGodfather

27th Nov '17 3:45:46 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Could be that he's a heavy sleeper and / or absolutely zonked out by any number of drugs in his system, sleeping pills or otherwise; guy is a scumbag Hollywood child-predator sleazeball, after all. Plus, it's a pretty big bed.
23rd Nov '17 11:48:13 AM OptimumTaurus
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** Michael's public persona is that of a legitimate businessman. Tom Hagen's public persona is that of Michael Corleone's lawyer and adopted brother. If Michael is accused of being a mafia chieftain, it wouldn't make sense for him to trust any lawyer more than he would Tom. Doesn't seem like much of a conflict of interest here unless you know for a fact what their real relationship is. And in-universe, that hadn't been proven to the committee.
16th Nov '17 8:06:24 AM OptimumTaurus
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** Before Vito died, he explained to Michael that one of the capregimes, after Vito's death, will offer to set up a "Peace Conference" with Don Barzini to smooth out any lingering issues. This meeting will be a trap, meant to set Michael up for assassination. The traitor would be whomever approached Michael to set up the meeting. While Tom explains he would have expected the turncoat to be [[spoiler: Peter Clemenza]], Michael was not surprised the turncoat was actually [[spoiler: Sal Tessio]]. The betrayal was setting Michael up to be assassinated under the guise of a peace meeting.
13th Nov '17 6:50:01 PM k410ren
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* So... how did the thugs get that horse head into Woltz’s bed without him noticing?
31st Oct '17 10:00:35 AM justme13
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*** Also it's not like the Don had many great options for the role:
- Putting aside the fact that his temper would be a hindrance for a position that calls for the person to act as a family diplomat, Sonny would rightfully view it as a demotion. Possibly undercutting his effectiveness because it would always be weighing on his mind about why he went from being underboss to Consigliere.
- Clemenza and Tessio were probably better as street Capo's. Plus as we see later they want to form their own families so taking a lofty position like that would stifle their ambitions.
- Luca Brasi is nothing but a brute, he maybe very street smart, but he would lack the smarts to be effective.
- Paulie and Rocco are underlings.
- And do I really need to explain why appointing Fredo would be a disaster?

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*** ** Also it's not like the Don had many great options for the role:
- *** Putting aside the fact that his temper would be a hindrance for a position that calls for the person to act as a family diplomat, Sonny would rightfully view it as a demotion. Possibly undercutting his effectiveness because it would always be weighing on his mind about why he went from being underboss to Consigliere.
- Clemenza ***Clemenza and Tessio were probably better as street Capo's. Plus as we see later they want to form their own families so taking a lofty position like that would stifle their ambitions.
- *** Luca Brasi is nothing but a brute, he maybe very street smart, but he would lack the smarts to be effective.
- Paulie ***Paulie and Rocco are underlings.
- And ***And do I really need to explain why appointing Fredo would be a disaster?
31st Oct '17 9:51:31 AM justme13
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*** Also it's not like the Don had many great options for the role:
- Putting aside the fact that his temper would be a hindrance for a position that calls for the person to act as a family diplomat, Sonny would rightfully view it as a demotion. Possibly undercutting his effectiveness because it would always be weighing on his mind about why he went from being underboss to Consigliere.
- Clemenza and Tessio were probably better as street Capo's. Plus as we see later they want to form their own families so taking a lofty position like that would stifle their ambitions.
- Luca Brasi is nothing but a brute, he maybe very street smart, but he would lack the smarts to be effective.
- Paulie and Rocco are underlings.
- And do I really need to explain why appointing Fredo would be a disaster?
29th Oct '17 11:56:48 AM justme13
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*** While the stuff about honor is crap, except for a time in the 80's where you had to be pure Italian on your fathers side(to let John Gotti's son John jr who is part Russian join), you have to be full blooded Italian in order to join. Even highly respected Jewish Gangsters like Meyer Lanskey were never admitted. He was respected for his intelligence and his money-making skills, but he never ordered anyone in the Mob, not without the okay from Lucianno or other high-ranking officials. The blood oaths by all accounts are real.
28th Oct '17 10:26:57 AM justme13
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* Okay so in the second film when Michael meets with Johnny Ola, Tom doesn't sit in the meeting. Makes sense since at this point he's out of the "family business" and is just the lawyer. But then why does he sit in during Michael's meeting with Pantangelie?
* Along a similar line, wouldn't Pantangalie identifying Tom as Consigliere(as seen in the "family tree" during the hearings) disqualify him as Michael's attorney?

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* Okay so in the second film when Michael meets with Johnny Ola, Tom doesn't sit in the meeting. Makes sense since at this point he's out of the "family business" and is just the lawyer. But then why does he sit in during Michael's meeting with Pantangelie?
Pentangeli?
* Along a similar line, wouldn't Pantangalie Pentangeli identifying Tom as Consigliere(as seen in the "family tree" during the hearings) disqualify him as Michael's attorney?
27th Oct '17 9:32:00 PM justme13
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* Okay so in the second film when Michael meets with Johnny Ola, Tom doesn't sit in the meeting. Makes sense since at this point he's out of the "family business" and is just the lawyer. But then why does he sit in during Michael's meeting with Pantangelie?
* Along a similar line, wouldn't Pantangalie identifying Tom as Consigliere(as seen in the "family tree" during the hearings) disqualify him as Michael's attorney?
25th Sep '17 3:05:13 PM JC96
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* I know Tessio betrayed the Corelones by [[spoiler: aligning with Barzini]], but my question is how did he betrayed them?
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