History GuideDangIt / WesternRPG

19th Apr '16 2:58:30 PM crazyrabbits
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* ''GuideDangIt/{{Fallout}}''

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* ''Most'' of the unique items in the series require a guide or luck to find if you really have to find them. The world is vast, and there are thousands of containers and shelves and other places to search. Screwing up quests may also render some of them LostForever.
* Quests in themselves also work on a similar pattern. TalkToEveryone, but be careful what you say. Many {{Non Player Character}}s tend to be quite testy, and saying one wrong thing ''permanently'' makes them angry with you, sealing off any quests they might have. In a game where you get lots of your money and experience from quests, this is a problem.
* ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' featured an EasterEgg with the strategy guide phenomenon. After finishing the game's main quests, you could return to New Reno and get a Fallout 2 Strategy Guide from the old drunken priest. Upon using it, your character gains 10,000 xp, all your skills are set to 300% (this being the maximum in the game), and your display window reads "Well, it would have been nice to have this at the BEGINNING of the damn game!" You can use the item multiple times for more XP, though your skills can't improve further. If you have the item in your inventory at any point before the game ends, and attempt to save, the game will crash.
** Speaking of ''Fallout 2'', would you like to help out the NCR? Go ahead and do Tandi's mission then. What's that? You didn't tell them to KeepTheReward '''they''' agreed to give you? Well then, goddammit you, we'll just be [[LostForever keeping this entire mission branch]] without any indication as to why.
* ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'': Some of the Companion Quests are nigh-impossible to complete (or even know about in the first place) unless you have an online guide handy. For many of them, you'll have to speak with specific people at ''very'' specific points at the game, and this is never mentioned to the player in any dialogue tree.
** Raul's is one of the worst. You have to talk to three specific people in the wasteland. Talk to any of them before you have Raul on your party or when Raul is not on your party. The quest cannot be completed. Even worse, it's buggy as hell, meaning that even if you know who to talk to, some bug could cause the dialog with Raul to not be initiated, or for the NPC to disappear from the game entirely in the case of one of the [=NPCs=]. Raul's quest also has no quest markers or any indication of who you should talk to besides "some old guys", for extra fun.
** And forget about trying to get even a [[MultipleEndings moderately good ending]] without a strategy guide memorized and open at every quest. Not only can you not start certain quests, but if you complete some quests then it means you either can't complete others or will have no way of getting a Good Karma resolution. Bear in mind that the quests you'll already have completed may have been at about the 10–15-hour mark, and the quest you now can't complete/start/get a good ending for comes around the 40-hour mark, and nowhere in-game is there any indication of which quests invalidate others [[spoiler:(e.g., "Aba Daba Honeymoon" can be rendered unfinishable by the dialog at the end of "I Put a Spell on You")]].
** You need to accumulate 5 "history" points by completing various Legion-related events just to trigger Boone's companion quest. None of the events is repeatable, neither the events nor points are mentioned in-game, and Boone must be in your party when you complete them-completing the events without him renders the points, and potentially the quest, LostForever. And some of the events have to be completed in conjunction with separate quests to earn the points.
*** Several of the trust points needed for Arcade Gannon's quest are also missable, and even once you have the required amount the quest doesn't start until you've advanced the main quest line to a certain degree. There are also "dislike" points that negate these.
** Veronica's quest too. In addition to the potential for conversation triggers to be LostForever, sometimes even the ones you haven't yet found will fail to activate.
* New Vegas offered you a [[GoldMakesEverythingShiny cosmetically upgraded]] Pip-Boy called the Pimp-Boy 3 Billion and says that all you have to do is get the Omertas to buy guns from Mick & Ralph again. What it fails to mention is that if you fail to free Troike from his contract during the quest, the alternate Pip-Boy becomes unavailable.
* The Keller Family Refuge sidequest is completely unmarked, and requires that you [[PixelHunt find five holotapes at obscure locations]] that give the numbers of a password to access the National Guard Armory Bunker. [[BraggingRightsReward Your prize for this trouble]] is the AwesomeButImpractical Experimental MIRV launcher. This is one of the tamer unmarked quests.
* In the Tranquility Lane quest in ''3'', you and your father are trapped in a simulation with a sadistic MadScientist and several innocent people. Completing the quest is pretty straightforward, but if you want to do the right thing and "save" the people, it gets tricky. You're told that there's a hidden terminal, and you're given extremely vague hints and a bunch of seemingly random objects to interact with. [[SarcasmMode Have fun with that.]]
* A minor, but still memorable example: Both ''Fallout 3'' and ''New Vegas'', your character can approach sources of water such as puddles, sinks, and toilets, and drink from them by pressing the use key during an on-screen prompt ("Press [E] to Drink" on the PC version, for example). However, simply tapping the use key (as one would do with every other prompt) just makes your character take a tiny, one-second sip of water, healing a few measly points and getting a couple rads, depending on the source. What it doesn't tell you is that you have to ''hold'' the "E" key down to continually drink water and slowly regain health (along with radiation poisoning).
* The ability to pick up and move world objects in ''Fallout 3'' and ''New Vegas'' isn't necessary, but is useful for finding hidden items, climbing to otherwise inaccessible areas, lugging excess VendorTrash around, or carrying stuff out of sight to steal. The only time either game ever explains HOW to do it is in a minor, easy-to-miss unmarked side quest in ''New Vegas''.
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18th Apr '16 6:33:07 PM Onlythrice
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* New Vegas offered you a [[GoldMakesEverythingShiny cosmetically upgraded]] Pip-Boy called the Pimp-Boy 3 Billion and says that all you have to do is get the Omertas to buy guns from Mick & Ralph again. What it fails to mention is that if you fail to free Troike from his contract during the quest, the alternate Pip-Boy becomes unavailable.
23rd Mar '16 9:38:15 AM roboe
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** Hunters had to rely on third party websites, to find out which tameable pets would teach them various ranks of pet abilities. Not only did the game itself not mention this, it never even mentions that it's possible to learn pet abilities from sources other than the Pet Trainer at all.
19th Mar '16 7:11:27 AM Hossmeister
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5th Mar '16 8:10:59 AM Aquillion
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** If you inscribe the word 'Elbereth' on the ground, most sentient enemies will not attack you. This knowledge is absolutely vital to most strategies, but you'll only find out if you read the manual carefully; and even if you know, there's a huge number of clauses (how long various ways of scribing it will last, which monsters will respect it, etc) which can only be discovered from a guide or from extreme trial and error.
2nd Mar '16 4:55:32 AM RADIX
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** Speaking of ''Fallout 2'', would you like to help out the NCR? Go ahead and do Tandi's mission then. What's that? You didn't tell them to KeepTheReward '''they''' agreed give you? Well then, goddammit you, we'll just be [[LostForever keeping this entire mission branch]] without any indication as to why.

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** Speaking of ''Fallout 2'', would you like to help out the NCR? Go ahead and do Tandi's mission then. What's that? You didn't tell them to KeepTheReward '''they''' agreed to give you? Well then, goddammit you, we'll just be [[LostForever keeping this entire mission branch]] without any indication as to why.
27th Feb '16 12:33:51 PM Klon
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** A ''lot'' of factors for the [[spoiler:peaceful resolution of the geth–quarian conflict]] are Guide Dang-Its. Didn't pass Tali's loyalty mission's Reputation check in the second game? [[spoiler:Too bad, you get genocide – either she's not an admiral, or you got her father struck off of fleet records, losing her loyalty, and the conflict with Legion that results. Screwed ''that'' up? Same result. Got either of them [[FinalDeath killed]]? No prizes for guessing.]] Even the ''official strategy guide'' has been proven inaccurate as to which factors influence whether or not you'll achieve the best resolution. It's an act of diplomacy that makes perfect sense once you know what to do, but a PlayerNudge or two wouldn't have gone amiss. Especially since the game will [[InterfaceScrew fake you out]] with a misleading dialog tree even if you pass the prerequisites... and you can still fail the Reputation check [[YankTheDogsChain after coming this far]]. To summarise...
*** [[spoiler:Tali must be an admiral, and Legion must be alive.]]

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** A ''lot'' of factors for the [[spoiler:peaceful resolution of the geth–quarian conflict]] are Guide Dang-Its. Didn't pass Tali's loyalty mission's Reputation check in the second game? [[spoiler:Too bad, you get genocide – either she's not an admiral, or if you got get her father struck off of fleet records, losing her loyalty, and the conflict with Legion that results. Screwed ''that'' up? Same result. Got either of them [[FinalDeath killed]]? No prizes for guessing.]] Even the ''official strategy guide'' has been proven inaccurate as to which factors influence whether or not you'll achieve the best resolution. It's an act of diplomacy that makes perfect sense once you know what to do, but a PlayerNudge or two wouldn't have gone amiss. Especially since the game will [[InterfaceScrew fake you out]] with a misleading dialog tree even if you pass the prerequisites... and you can still fail the Reputation check [[YankTheDogsChain after coming this far]]. To summarise...
*** [[spoiler:Tali must be an admiral, and Legion must be alive.]]



*** [[spoiler:+2 points: Tali's loyalty mission being completed successfully]] – this is the first freebie, as you have to do this to meet a hard requirement.

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*** [[spoiler:+2 points: Tali's loyalty mission being completed successfully]] successfully without getting her exiled]] this is the first nearly a freebie, as you have to do this to meet a hard requirement.since most players go for the paragon/renegade solution in her loyality mission
21st Feb '16 4:01:11 AM Jaro7788
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** And to make things even '''worse''', if you approach the [[spoiler:bad guys, including Maggie Chow]] talking behind glass, you might actually trigger a glitch making [[spoiler:Maggie Chow]] take note of you and say the line [[spoiler:she]] is not supposed to say until you actually meet [[spoiler:her]] in person after you've completed your goal (which, as stated above, is located someplace else entirely). If that happens, you'll probably spend months wandering helplessly around the compound before reconsidering the possibility that you might be in the wrong place altogether.
21st Feb '16 2:25:23 AM Jaro7788
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* ''VideoGame/DeusEx'' is rather straightforward when it comes to telling you where to go... that is except for the part in Hongkong when you need to [[spoiler:infiltrate an EvilCorporation compound for the second time]]. Because of it, you need to access the building differently than before, that is use a backdoor. Immediately upon getting through said entrance you will be offered two paths, one of which will lead you to the areas you know from your last visit and the other, hidden behind a terminal keypad, will lead you to another location. By this point you should have gotten used to the fact that most terminal keypads conceal rooms with additional gear that you might be willing to check out but don't really have to (unless the mission objectives state otherwise). Only problem here? The terminal keypad route ''is'' the only one that will lead you to your goal. Instead, if you follow your instinct and pursue towards the familiar territories, you will eventually stumble across a laboratory with security up the roof, a series of ventilation shafts to help you navigate your way around, a lot of equipment for you to use, [[spoiler:a bunch of off-worldly creatures that you see ''for the first time'']], a homeless bum locked in a cage that will have you believe he can be of some help to you, and if that wasn't enough, you'll even get to listen to the conversation held by the [[spoiler:''bad guys'']]! In reality, whatever you'll find in that lab will not get you an inch closer to completing your objective. To add insult to injury, if you decide to move over to yet ''another'' area of the compound, you will receive a message from [[spoiler:Daedalus]] that will further reinforce your conviction that you're getting closer to your goal whereas in fact the direction you're heading is totally ''opposite'' to the one you should take!
10th Dec '15 8:56:37 AM Lemia
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* In ''VideoGame/FallenLondon'', the steps to get the Passion destiny are so obscure that it's a wonder anyone managed to discover it: you have to get a specific ending of the Fate-locked Secrets Framed in Gold storyline, then draw a rare card that can be unearthed in only ''one'' location. Becoming a Paramount Presence manages to top this by being so obscure that ''no one'' has figured out how to get it yet.
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