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30th Apr '17 9:34:28 PM sorako
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* ''Anime/TheLostVillage'' did this from episode 7 onward. The series had a slow start, unsympathetic characters that were mostly bystanders, bland or screaming dumbasses, mysteries that made no sense and a plot that didn't really seem to go anywhere. From [[spoiler: Masaki's witch hunt]] from there on, the characters are shown to be more complex, the mysteries start to get solved and things get clearer, and the fans starting to genuinely enjoy the series, rather than consider it SoBadItsGood.



* ''Anime/{{Mayoiga}}'' did this from episode 7 onward. The series had a slow start, unsympathetic characters that were mostly bystanders, bland or screaming dumbasses, mysteries that made no sense and a plot that didn't really seem to go anywhere. From [[spoiler: Masaki's witch hunt]] from there on, the characters are shown to be more complex, the mysteries start to get solved and things get clearer, and the fans starting to genuinely enjoy the series, rather than consider it SoBadItsGood.
6th Apr '17 1:23:31 PM Willbyr
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* ''Manga/NurarihyonNoMago'' started off as a fairly average shounen manga, about a quarter-youkai boy who's meant to be the next head of a youkai clan but just wants to [[IJustWantToBeNormal live a normal life]]. But once [[spoiler:he stepped up to accept his role as their leader,]] much of its fandom agrees that the story took a sharp turn upwards.

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* ''Manga/NurarihyonNoMago'' ''Manga/NuraRiseOfTheYokaiClan'' started off as a fairly average shounen manga, about a quarter-youkai boy who's meant to be the next head of a youkai clan but just wants to [[IJustWantToBeNormal live a normal life]]. But once [[spoiler:he stepped up to accept his role as their leader,]] much of its fandom agrees that the story took a sharp turn upwards.
27th Jan '17 5:32:49 PM MyFinalEdits
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** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' started getting its own voice during the Universe 7 VS Universe 6 tournament. It had a very powerful plot twist with [[spoiler:Frost being revealed to be EvilAllAlong]], and featured some of the most tactical and well thought-out fights in the entire ''franchise'', helped in no small part due to the U6 fighters having very unique fighting styles. The one thing that eventually won the fans over, however, was [[spoiler: Goku combining the power of Super Saiyan Blue with the Kaio-Ken and breaking the very concept of time itself.]]

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** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'':
*** The series
started getting its own voice during the Universe 7 VS Universe 6 tournament. It had a very powerful plot twist with [[spoiler:Frost being revealed to be EvilAllAlong]], and featured some of the most tactical and well thought-out fights in the entire ''franchise'', helped in no small part due to the U6 fighters having very unique fighting styles. The one thing that eventually won the fans over, however, was [[spoiler: Goku combining the power of Super Saiyan Blue with the Kaio-Ken and breaking the very concept of time itself.]]



* ''Anime/TransformersArmada'' started out as a sub-par GottaCatchEmAll series, not improving at all until midway through the show's run when they did a heel-face turn with Starscream (who became a much more shades of grey character as far as honor went) as well as introducing Armada's surrogate Starscream, the villainous, backstabbing Thrust.

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* ''Anime/TransformersArmada'' ''Anime/TransformersArmada'':
** The series
started out as a sub-par GottaCatchEmAll series, not improving at all until midway through the show's run when they did a heel-face turn with Starscream (who became a much more shades of grey character as far as honor went) as well as introducing Armada's surrogate Starscream, the villainous, backstabbing Thrust.



* The ''Manga/YuGiOh'' manga originally is a fairly episodic series where Yami Yugi plays various dangerous games against one-shot bad guys to punish them for their evil natures. However, when [[BreakoutVillain former one-shot bad guy Seto Kaiba returned as a]] BigBad and started an AmusementParkOfDoom, it resulted in a story arc in which Yugi's friends finally learn of Yami Yugi's existence. From then on, things became much more story-oriented and dramatic.

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* ''Manga/YuGiOh'':
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The ''Manga/YuGiOh'' manga originally is a fairly episodic series where Yami Yugi plays various dangerous games against one-shot bad guys to punish them for their evil natures. However, when [[BreakoutVillain former one-shot bad guy Seto Kaiba returned as a]] BigBad and started an AmusementParkOfDoom, it resulted in a story arc in which Yugi's friends finally learn of Yami Yugi's existence. From then on, things became much more story-oriented and dramatic.
27th Jan '17 12:11:27 PM greatpikminfan
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** While once very clumsy in execution, fillers have gradually gained more and more HiddenDepths, CharacterDevelopment and flowing story starting with the 4th Fourth Ninja War, especially with the new "Power" arc which has great movie quality animation and the use of subtle writing, along with CharacterDevelopment and fighting sequences, with each episode bringing a new [[WhamEpisode surprisingly shocking]], but foreshadowed developments that turn the story in a better direction with each episode; especially if you compare it to the {{Filler}} of Part 1 and almost all the filler episodes prior the 4th Great Shinobi War.

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** While once very clumsy in execution, fillers have gradually gained more and more HiddenDepths, CharacterDevelopment and flowing story starting with the 4th Fourth Ninja War, especially with the new "Power" arc which has great movie quality animation and the use of subtle writing, along with CharacterDevelopment and fighting sequences, with each episode bringing a new [[WhamEpisode surprisingly shocking]], but foreshadowed developments that turn the story in a better direction with each episode; especially if you compare it to the {{Filler}} of Part 1 and almost all the filler episodes prior the 4th Great Shinobi War.
15th Jan '17 6:21:59 PM infernape612
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' took some time to find its voice. Although the novelty of combining the Sentai formula with the MagicalGirlGenre was unheard of at the time, the first volume played out as more of a Sentai series with its associated tropes transplanted into a Shoujo cast. Usagi was a lovable ditz who more often then not shirked her responsibilities as a Sailor Guardian as she spent much of her time uncertain about her WillTheyOrWontThey crush on resident hunk Mamoru. The first five chapters are spent introducing each Guardian as they befriend and join Usagi's team with the vague connecting plot thread of the villains looking for the Legendary Silver Crystal and Luna's search for the Moon Princess. The girls were likable and had a nice chemistry between them, but it couldn't sustain what was an episodic MonsterOfTheWeek ExcusePlot. With the introduction of [[spoiler:Sailor Venus' entry into the story as a wiser, more serious counterpoint to Usagi, she completed the team, the girls [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mamoru]] fully awakening memories of their past lives, Sailor Moon's revealed status as the Moon Princess which brought some responsibility and darker elements to Usagi's carefree personality, and Mamoru's subsequent capture and FaceHeelTurn. Aside from these three major characters bringing full focus to the story's plot, the manga phases out Usagi's Cutie Honey-esque transformations and broader Sentai tropes, and becomes a full-fledged MagicalGirl story with increasingly creepy and outlandish threats from space for the rest of its run.]] Rather humorously, Usagi's hair grows rather long [[spoiler:as a result of her awakened identity]] parallel to the story's grown beard.

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' took some time to find its voice. Although the novelty of combining the Sentai formula with the MagicalGirlGenre MagicalGirl genre was unheard of at the time, the first volume played out as more of a Sentai series with its associated tropes transplanted into a Shoujo cast. Usagi was a lovable ditz who more often then not shirked her responsibilities as a Sailor Guardian as she spent much of her time uncertain about her WillTheyOrWontThey crush on resident hunk Mamoru. The first five chapters are spent introducing each Guardian as they befriend and join Usagi's team with the vague connecting plot thread of the villains looking for the Legendary Silver Crystal and Luna's search for the Moon Princess. The girls were likable and had a nice chemistry between them, but it couldn't sustain what was an episodic MonsterOfTheWeek ExcusePlot. With the introduction of [[spoiler:Sailor Venus' entry into the story as a wiser, more serious counterpoint to Usagi, she completed the team, the girls [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mamoru]] fully awakening memories of their past lives, Sailor Moon's revealed status as the Moon Princess which brought some responsibility and darker elements to Usagi's carefree personality, and Mamoru's subsequent capture and FaceHeelTurn. Aside from these three major characters bringing full focus to the story's plot, the manga phases out Usagi's Cutie Honey-esque transformations and broader Sentai tropes, and becomes a full-fledged MagicalGirl story with increasingly creepy and outlandish threats from space for the rest of its run.]] Rather humorously, Usagi's hair grows rather long [[spoiler:as a result of her awakened identity]] parallel to the story's grown beard.
15th Jan '17 6:20:04 PM infernape612
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** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' started getting it's own voice during the Universe 7 VS Universe 6 tournament. It had a very powerful plot twist with [[spoiler: Frost being revealed to be EvilAllALong]], and featured some of the most tactical and well thought-out fights in the entire ''franchise'', helped in no small part due to the U6 fighters having very unique fighting styles. The one thing that eventually won the fans over, however, was [[spoiler: Goku combining the power of Super Saiyan Blue with the Kaio-Ken and breaking the very concept of time itself.]]

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** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' started getting it's its own voice during the Universe 7 VS Universe 6 tournament. It had a very powerful plot twist with [[spoiler: Frost [[spoiler:Frost being revealed to be EvilAllALong]], EvilAllAlong]], and featured some of the most tactical and well thought-out fights in the entire ''franchise'', helped in no small part due to the U6 fighters having very unique fighting styles. The one thing that eventually won the fans over, however, was [[spoiler: Goku combining the power of Super Saiyan Blue with the Kaio-Ken and breaking the very concept of time itself.]]
2nd Jan '17 1:18:48 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Starting about halfway through the series (roughly around the 14th episode), the legendary anime ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' abruptly swaps over from a light[[note]]-ish[[/note]]-hearted scifi {{shonen}} series about [[HumongousMecha super robots]] fighting [[CosmicHorrorStory towering, nightmarish creatures]], with special focus on its characters' relationships and insecurities, to a noticeably more {{postmodern}}, existential, and [[FreudWasRight psychoanalytical]] work of character drama and art-text-mystery play. The robot-vs-creature fights, fewer and further between, become substantially [[DarkerAndEdgier darker and more traumatic]], increasing emphasis is placed upon disquieting mysteries seemingly surrounding everything, and beloved characters who had been shown to be emotionally fragile and dependant are gradually revealed to be downright psychologically broken, or are emotionally tortured until they break. Eventually, around the last two episodes, the series grows its beard out to truly impressive lengths and [[WorldOfSymbolism abandons all its own narrative precedents]] to become a kaleidoscopic investigation into the psychology of the main character, thereby [[{{TropeCodifier}} codifying]] the GainaxEnding. It ultimately becomes an experimental deconstruction of {{shonen}} anime and escapist fantasy fiction, exploring the symbolic relationships between the HumongousMecha, the characters, [[MonsterOfTheWeek creatures they fight]], the organization that created the mecha, and the audience and creators of the show itself. It was these changes in tone that would provide Evangelion with much of its most rabid and enduringly massive fanbase, and bring it unprecedented levels of cultural respect both generally and, especially, within the humanities crowd, which at the time was extremely rare for a {{shonen}} anime.

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* Starting about halfway through the series (roughly around the 14th episode), the legendary anime ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' abruptly swaps over from a light[[note]]-ish[[/note]]-hearted scifi {{shonen}} series about [[HumongousMecha super robots]] fighting [[CosmicHorrorStory towering, nightmarish creatures]], with special focus on its characters' relationships and insecurities, to a noticeably more {{postmodern}}, existential, and [[FreudWasRight psychoanalytical]] psychoanalytical work of character drama and art-text-mystery play. The robot-vs-creature fights, fewer and further between, become substantially [[DarkerAndEdgier darker and more traumatic]], increasing emphasis is placed upon disquieting mysteries seemingly surrounding everything, and beloved characters who had been shown to be emotionally fragile and dependant are gradually revealed to be downright psychologically broken, or are emotionally tortured until they break. Eventually, around the last two episodes, the series grows its beard out to truly impressive lengths and [[WorldOfSymbolism abandons all its own narrative precedents]] to become a kaleidoscopic investigation into the psychology of the main character, thereby [[{{TropeCodifier}} codifying]] the GainaxEnding. It ultimately becomes an experimental deconstruction of {{shonen}} anime and escapist fantasy fiction, exploring the symbolic relationships between the HumongousMecha, the characters, [[MonsterOfTheWeek creatures they fight]], the organization that created the mecha, and the audience and creators of the show itself. It was these changes in tone that would provide Evangelion with much of its most rabid and enduringly massive fanbase, and bring it unprecedented levels of cultural respect both generally and, especially, within the humanities crowd, which at the time was extremely rare for a {{shonen}} anime.
26th Nov '16 4:09:55 PM Camberf
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*** Many fans agree that the Future Trunks Arc was far better than almost the entire show leading up to it.
3rd Oct '16 12:45:31 AM the_paper
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* The end of the first season of ''Anime/RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' doesn't quite mark the point where the series becomes [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]] ... it's just the point where [[DramaticIrony the viewer realizes how dark it's been]].

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* The end of the first season story arc of ''Anime/RevolutionaryGirlUtena'' doesn't quite mark the point where the series becomes [[DarkerAndEdgier dark]] ... it's just the point where [[DramaticIrony the viewer realizes how dark it's been]].
20th Sep '16 7:01:37 PM darkabomination
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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' spends its first volume on episodic mystery stories whilst gathering its main characters, mainly in the flavor of a superhero/detective story and then begins to grow its beard with [[spoiler:Sailor Venus' entry into the story, Sailor Moon's revealed status as the Moon Princess, and Mamoru's subsequent capture and FaceHeelTurn. Aside from these three major characters bringing full focus to the story's plot, the manga also does a GenreShift on the whole taking itself completely away from episodic superhero/detective stories and becomes a full-fledged mystery/fantasy story for the rest of its run.]] Rather humorously, Usagi's hair grows rather long [[spoiler:as a result of her awakened identity]] parallel to the story's grown beard.
* The first two seasons of ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' were pretty divisive, with a lot of criticism going to the uneven pacing and lackluster animation, as well as some very controversial creative decisions regarding the Shitenou. Season 3 won praise for having a noticeable AnimationBump and stronger writing.

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* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' spends took some time to find its voice. Although the novelty of combining the Sentai formula with the MagicalGirlGenre was unheard of at the time, the first volume played out as more of a Sentai series with its associated tropes transplanted into a Shoujo cast. Usagi was a lovable ditz who more often then not shirked her responsibilities as a Sailor Guardian as she spent much of her time uncertain about her WillTheyOrWontThey crush on resident hunk Mamoru. The first five chapters are spent introducing each Guardian as they befriend and join Usagi's team with the vague connecting plot thread of the villains looking for the Legendary Silver Crystal and Luna's search for the Moon Princess. The girls were likable and had a nice chemistry between them, but it couldn't sustain what was an episodic mystery stories whilst gathering its main characters, mainly in MonsterOfTheWeek ExcusePlot. With the flavor introduction of a superhero/detective story and then begins to grow its beard with [[spoiler:Sailor Venus' entry into the story, story as a wiser, more serious counterpoint to Usagi, she completed the team, the girls [[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Mamoru]] fully awakening memories of their past lives, Sailor Moon's revealed status as the Moon Princess, Princess which brought some responsibility and darker elements to Usagi's carefree personality, and Mamoru's subsequent capture and FaceHeelTurn. Aside from these three major characters bringing full focus to the story's plot, the manga also does a GenreShift on the whole taking itself completely away from episodic superhero/detective stories phases out Usagi's Cutie Honey-esque transformations and broader Sentai tropes, and becomes a full-fledged mystery/fantasy MagicalGirl story with increasingly creepy and outlandish threats from space for the rest of its run.]] Rather humorously, Usagi's hair grows rather long [[spoiler:as a result of her awakened identity]] parallel to the story's grown beard.
* The first two seasons of ''Anime/SailorMoonCrystal'' were pretty divisive, with a lot of criticism going to the uneven pacing and (initially on broadcast streaming) lackluster animation, as well as some very controversial creative decisions regarding the Shitenou. Shitenou, as well as Chibi-Usa's [[BaseBreakingCharacter usual reception across adaptations]]. Season 3 won praise for having a noticeable AnimationBump AnimationBump, made Chibi-Usa much more likable, and introduced the Outer Guardians as the writing became stronger writing.and the fight scenes much improved.


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* ''Anime/SelectorInfectedWixoss'' was already an interesting show to start with; a card game show that takes a darker, deconstructive approach to the [[SeriousBusiness typical mindsets]] of tcg protagonists with a MagicalGirl flavor. The fact that the Wixoss card game's rules are barely explained and largely glossed over put off some viewers, especially those that prefered the more over the top characters and situations of the genre. Despite that, if one sticks around, they'll find a lot of SliceOfLife material and a lot of cryptic dialogue from the girl's companion cards called LRIGs with only a handful of battles and a vague explanation of the overall goal of becoming an Eternal Girl to find their greatest wish. Keep at it and by episode 5 "This Invalidated Vow", resident cutie Hitoe [[spoiler:actually loses her three wishes, having her own wish of making friends inverted into a curse, reducing her to a psychologically fragile BrokenBird]]. When the consequences are revealed about what the card game actually does to its contestants and LRIGs, the extra time on characterization is used to give the cast a high degree of psychological complexity and misery that examines the motivations of girls willing to put their own desires over others, the selfish intentions behind personal goals, and the hangups that arise when a competetive game like Wixoss erodes friendships, showing the series has more in common with Madoka Magica than the standard card game series. It's also around this time that the manipulative BigBad shows up.
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