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10th Aug '16 12:23:29 PM FranksGirl
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* In the second book, ''Deep Wizardry'', when Nita is explaining wizardry to her father, Harry Callahan, Harry states: ''"If someone offered me a chance to be a wizard, I'd jump at it"'' in an attempt to emotionally blackmail Nita into staying home instead of helping the whales. Nita sees right through it: ''"“No, you wouldn’t. Because if you would have, really, you would have been offered it. There's never enough wizards..."'' And in the very next book, ''High Wizardry'', Nita gets proven right! As Carl & Tom are explaining that Dairine is a wizard, too, Carl shows the Wizard's Oath to Harry, via the Apple IIc -- an act that takes both Tom and Carl and the Planetary to approve. Harry reads it silently...yet does not speak it out loud to take the Oath. Why does it take two Seniors and the Planetary to approve the translation of something that's common knowledge for wizards? Because showing the Oath to someone is ''offering them the chance to be a wizard.'' Harry gets the offer, and refuses.

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* In the second book, ''Deep Wizardry'', when Nita is explaining wizardry to her father, Harry Callahan, Harry states: ''"If someone offered me a chance to be a wizard, I'd jump at it"'' in an attempt to emotionally blackmail Nita into staying home instead of helping the whales. Nita sees right through it: ''"“No, you wouldn’t. Because if you would have, really, you would have been offered it. There's never enough wizards..."'' And in the very next book, ''High Wizardry'', Nita gets proven right! As Carl & Tom are explaining that Dairine is a wizard, too, Carl shows the Wizard's Oath to Harry, via the Apple IIc -- computer-- an act that takes both Tom and Carl and the Planetary to approve. Harry reads it silently...yet does not speak it out loud to take the Oath. Why does it take two Seniors and the Planetary to approve the translation of something that's common knowledge for wizards? Because showing the Oath to someone is ''offering them the chance to be a wizard.'' Harry gets the his offer, and refuses.doesn't jump at all.
10th Aug '16 12:20:58 PM FranksGirl
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*** But that still has the problem of with wizards somehow learning that they can't do things that they've already done. Surely a wizard can figure out how to avoid a CentipedesDilemma.

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*** But that still has the problem of with wizards somehow learning that they can't do things that they've already done. Surely a wizard can figure out how to avoid a CentipedesDilemma.CentipedesDilemma.
* In the second book, ''Deep Wizardry'', when Nita is explaining wizardry to her father, Harry Callahan, Harry states: ''"If someone offered me a chance to be a wizard, I'd jump at it"'' in an attempt to emotionally blackmail Nita into staying home instead of helping the whales. Nita sees right through it: ''"“No, you wouldn’t. Because if you would have, really, you would have been offered it. There's never enough wizards..."'' And in the very next book, ''High Wizardry'', Nita gets proven right! As Carl & Tom are explaining that Dairine is a wizard, too, Carl shows the Wizard's Oath to Harry, via the Apple IIc -- an act that takes both Tom and Carl and the Planetary to approve. Harry reads it silently...yet does not speak it out loud to take the Oath. Why does it take two Seniors and the Planetary to approve the translation of something that's common knowledge for wizards? Because showing the Oath to someone is ''offering them the chance to be a wizard.'' Harry gets the offer, and refuses.
** Bonus FridgeLogic: the scenes double as an early showing of Nita's oracular ability, too.
6th Jan '16 7:12:11 PM BattleMaster
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** they also learn that they have access to less power as they age... I think it might be a metaphorical version of faith vs experience. ie "I believe I can fly" vs "I know I can fly, but I have to do ''this'' and '''this''' and ''this'' for it to happen." Remember Fred's line from book 1, about belief being the most powerful force?

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** they also learn that they have access to less power as they age... I think it might be a metaphorical version of faith vs experience. ie "I believe I can fly" vs "I know I can fly, but I have to do ''this'' and '''this''' and ''this'' for it to happen." Remember Fred's line from book 1, about belief being the most powerful force?force?
*** But that still has the problem of with wizards somehow learning that they can't do things that they've already done. Surely a wizard can figure out how to avoid a CentipedesDilemma.
16th Sep '15 8:45:36 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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* Young wizards are stated to be more powerful than older wizards because they haven't learned that something is impossible yet. Since the older wizards presumably started out as young wizards who could cast powerful spells, shouldn't they have, in fact, learned that such feats are ''not'' impossible?

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* Young wizards are stated to be more powerful than older wizards because they haven't learned that something is impossible yet. Since the older wizards presumably started out as young wizards who could cast powerful spells, shouldn't they have, in fact, learned that such feats are ''not'' impossible?impossible?
** they also learn that they have access to less power as they age... I think it might be a metaphorical version of faith vs experience. ie "I believe I can fly" vs "I know I can fly, but I have to do ''this'' and '''this''' and ''this'' for it to happen." Remember Fred's line from book 1, about belief being the most powerful force?
10th Jun '15 5:14:08 PM BattleMaster
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*** also Nita and Kit were somewhat younger then most wizards when they started, thus had more power, and a more dangerous Ordeal. Dairine was even younger and her Ordeal was even more universe-changing.

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*** also Nita and Kit were somewhat younger then most wizards when they started, thus had more power, and a more dangerous Ordeal. Dairine was even younger and her Ordeal was even more universe-changing.universe-changing.

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* Young wizards are stated to be more powerful than older wizards because they haven't learned that something is impossible yet. Since the older wizards presumably started out as young wizards who could cast powerful spells, shouldn't they have, in fact, learned that such feats are ''not'' impossible?
3rd Aug '14 8:46:25 PM Nemi
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*** The other, more crapsack universe, are keeping the Lone Power out of Timeheart. This is pretty much spelled out in Wizards at War.
9th Mar '13 1:27:54 AM Andygal
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* In the ''YoungWizards''/''TheBookOfNightWithMoon'' universe, the Lone Power seems to like killing off the protagonists' family members to try and push them over the DespairEventHorizon or make them desperate enough to cut a DealWithTheDevil. The protagonists cannot ''possibly'' be the only ones this has happened to. For that matter, It has been known to ''extinguish stars'' to hinder the protagonists, killing off entire civilizations in the process. Once again, It's probably not giving the protagonists special treatment here.

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* In the ''YoungWizards''/''TheBookOfNightWithMoon'' ''Literature/YoungWizards''/''Literature/TheBookOfNightWithMoon'' universe, the Lone Power seems to like killing off the protagonists' family members to try and push them over the DespairEventHorizon or make them desperate enough to cut a DealWithTheDevil. The protagonists cannot ''possibly'' be the only ones this has happened to. For that matter, It has been known to ''extinguish stars'' to hinder the protagonists, killing off entire civilizations in the process. Once again, It's probably not giving the protagonists special treatment here.
9th Mar '13 1:27:25 AM Andygal
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** If a given wizard or group of wizards cop out or fail their Ordeal, another wizard or group of wizards, on Ordeal or otherwise, receive the task of cleaning up after them, or helping them through the Ordeal. For example, A Wizard Alone.

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** If a given wizard or group of wizards cop out or fail their Ordeal, another wizard or group of wizards, on Ordeal or otherwise, receive the task of cleaning up after them, or helping them through the Ordeal. For example, A Wizard Alone.Alone.
*** also Nita and Kit were somewhat younger then most wizards when they started, thus had more power, and a more dangerous Ordeal. Dairine was even younger and her Ordeal was even more universe-changing.
18th Sep '12 6:26:15 AM SAL9000
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-->"Some of those kids are out on their Ordeal ... and because they don't have time to become good with the Speech, they get in trouble with the Lone Power that they can't get out of. And they never come back."

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-->"Some of those kids are out on their Ordeal ... and because they don't have time to become good with the Speech, they get in trouble with the Lone Power that they can't get out of. And they never come back.""
** If a given wizard or group of wizards cop out or fail their Ordeal, another wizard or group of wizards, on Ordeal or otherwise, receive the task of cleaning up after them, or helping them through the Ordeal. For example, A Wizard Alone.
9th Aug '12 10:07:28 AM nitpickeryandsuch
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"Some of those kids are out on their Ordeal ... and because they don't have time to become good with the Speech, they get in trouble with the Lone Power that they can't get out of. And they never come back."

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"Some -->"Some of those kids are out on their Ordeal ... and because they don't have time to become good with the Speech, they get in trouble with the Lone Power that they can't get out of. And they never come back."
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