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8th Jan '16 2:44:04 PM Classified
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* This one bugs me: Why would The Race, which has no concept of family lineage and especially no concept of legal fatherhood, develop a hereditary monarchy? Wouldn't it be more logical for the Emperor to choose his heir rather than to father one through the convoluted "find a group of select females for the Emperor to mate with and sequester those eggs" process? It may be tradition now, but why would the Race start to care about who's the Emperor's son when they don't care at all about paternity in any other context?
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* This one bugs me: Why would The Race, which has no concept of family lineage and especially no concept of legal fatherhood, develop a hereditary monarchy? Wouldn't it be more logical for the Emperor to choose his heir rather than to father one through the convoluted "find a group of select females for the Emperor to mate with and sequester those eggs" process? It may be tradition now, but why would the Race start to care about who's the Emperor's son when they don't care at all about paternity in any other context?context? ** Because they believe in the divine right to rule and understand inheritable traits ([[InThatOrder or possibly the other way around]]). When the current emperor dies, he joins the previous emperors in shepherding the souls of every citizen of the Empire, ''and this duty/capacity/birthright is passed down to his hatchlings''. Or so The Race believes.
10th Jul '14 12:32:50 PM Edgehopper
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** The Race has a hard time distinguishing between human males and females; why would it be any easier for them to spot a breeding pair of rats? And the humans need a steady supply of rats, as some of them may not survive their assigned duty for whatever reason. Easier just to breed your own rats rather than keep calling the ship for new ones.
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** The Race has a hard time distinguishing between human males and females; why would it be any easier for them to spot a breeding pair of rats? And the humans need a steady supply of rats, as some of them may not survive their assigned duty for whatever reason. Easier just to breed your own rats rather than keep calling the ship for new ones.ones. * This one bugs me: Why would The Race, which has no concept of family lineage and especially no concept of legal fatherhood, develop a hereditary monarchy? Wouldn't it be more logical for the Emperor to choose his heir rather than to father one through the convoluted "find a group of select females for the Emperor to mate with and sequester those eggs" process? It may be tradition now, but why would the Race start to care about who's the Emperor's son when they don't care at all about paternity in any other context?
9th Jul '14 10:18:56 AM Milarqui
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**** It is pretty much stated that the Race's invasion fleet does not carry anything that would allow them to produce ''anything''. They actually have to convert human factories to get ammunition for their weapons, and they are inferior since the machine-tools required to produce anything are coming with the Colonists. Besides, the Race thought they would be fighting against medieval forces at best: they would have believed that the nukes they brought with them would be more than enough, or that they would not even have to use them at all. Why would they bring the complex machinery required to make more?
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**** It is pretty much stated that the Race's invasion fleet does not carry anything that would allow them to produce ''anything''. They actually have to convert human factories to get ammunition for their weapons, and they are inferior since the machine-tools required to produce anything at Home level are coming with the Colonists. Besides, the Race thought they would be fighting against medieval forces at best: they would have believed that the nukes they brought with them would be more than enough, or that they would not even have to use them at all. Why would they bring the complex machinery required to make more?
9th Jul '14 10:17:42 AM Milarqui
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**** It is pretty much stated that the Race's invasion fleet does not carry anything that would allow them to produce ''anything''. They actually have to convert human factories to get ammunition for their weapons, and they are inferior since the machine-tools required to produce anything are coming with the Colonists. Besides, the Race thought they would be fighting against medieval forces at best: they would have believed that the nukes they brought with them would be more than enough, or that they would not even have to use them at all. Why would they bring the complex machinery required to make more?
5th Apr '14 10:52:00 AM EDP
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* In Homeward Bound, a Lizard cleaning crew accidentally some rats humans were using as taste-testers. They escape into the sewers of Home to reproduce and wreak havoc. Turnabout is fair play, but why hasn't Atvar insisted from the beginning that they only bring down males or only bring down females? Why were they allowed to bring a breeding population down from their ship in the first place?
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*** He had twenty years and the uranium depots of Australia, Africa and South America to rebuild them, and the need to do so. * In Homeward Bound, a Lizard cleaning crew accidentally frees some rats humans were using as taste-testers. They escape into the sewers of Home to reproduce and wreak havoc. Turnabout is fair play, but why hasn't Atvar insisted from the beginning that they only bring down males or only bring down females? Why were they allowed to bring a breeding population down from their ship in the first place?
29th Mar '14 9:59:11 PM AK47Productions
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** Best case scenario: the Jews emigrate to Lizard territory on Earth (incidentally, Israel is controlled by the Lizards) and become complete [[TheQuisling Quislings]]. The United States and Canada are still relatively sympathetic to those Jews who don't choose that route, and Japan is more or less indifferent (and may welcome potentially loyal colonists in their territory). Alternatively, both the humans and the Lizards have interstellar colonization capability at the end of the series, so the Jews might emigrate to another planet entirely (the Soviets are also developing their own starships, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast have used this strategy before]] to deal with troublesome Jewish populations).
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** Best case scenario: the Jews emigrate to Lizard territory on Earth (incidentally, Israel Palestine is controlled by the Lizards) and become complete [[TheQuisling Quislings]]. The United States and Canada are still relatively sympathetic to those Jews who don't choose that route, and Japan is more or less indifferent (and may welcome potentially loyal colonists in their territory). Alternatively, both the humans and the Lizards have interstellar colonization capability at the end of the series, so the Jews might emigrate to another planet entirely (the Soviets are also developing their own starships, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast have used this strategy before]] to deal with troublesome Jewish populations).
6th Sep '13 6:50:47 PM MojoThreepwood
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***Plus a large portion of the Race's nuclear weapons were destroyed in the first book by the German's railway gun.
14th Aug '13 7:39:42 PM JIKTV
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** Best case scenario: the Jews emigrate to Lizard territory on Earth (incidentally, Israel is controlled by the Lizards) and become complete [[{{Quisling}} Quislings]]. The United States and Canada are still relatively sympathetic to those Jews who don't choose that route, and Japan is more or less indifferent (and may welcome potentially loyal colonists in their territory). Alternatively, both the humans and the Lizards have interstellar colonization capability at the end of the series, so the Jews might emigrate to another planet entirely (the Soviets are also developing their own starships, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast have used this strategy before]] to deal with troublesome Jewish populations).
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** Best case scenario: the Jews emigrate to Lizard territory on Earth (incidentally, Israel is controlled by the Lizards) and become complete [[{{Quisling}} [[TheQuisling Quislings]]. The United States and Canada are still relatively sympathetic to those Jews who don't choose that route, and Japan is more or less indifferent (and may welcome potentially loyal colonists in their territory). Alternatively, both the humans and the Lizards have interstellar colonization capability at the end of the series, so the Jews might emigrate to another planet entirely (the Soviets are also developing their own starships, and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast have used this strategy before]] to deal with troublesome Jewish populations).
7th Aug '13 7:47:03 AM speaker_context
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adding technology example to "brilliance" and social-behavior explanation to the "logic" part
** That may be, but the surface of the Earth would still be mostly covered in water. The Race would likely still have to deal with multiple empire and/or not-empires.
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** That may be, but the surface of the Earth would still be mostly covered in water. The Race would likely still have to deal with multiple empire empires and/or not-empires. * The Race has space travel, advanced computers, holographic projectors etc., but their weaponry is similar to late 20th century American equipment (incidentally, the time and place of the novels' writing) and no better. ** They probably unified their own species before any faction developed better technology for internal warfare, and didn't have to improve in order to conquer other aliens they encountered - which were much less advanced than themselves. Indeed, the very thought of needing to adapt to an opponent was alien to their sense of superiority when the plot started.

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** That may be, but *** We only know from the surface of the Earth would still be mostly covered in water. The Race would likely still novels that this is how they view themselves and their history at present. They could have been a more "familial" species before being conditioned to deal direct their attachments to society and its leaders over the millennia. To support this claim, when one of them is presented with multiple empire and/or not-empires. a human baby to look after, he does bond to it after overcoming his ingrained reservations, and personal relations matter a lot to some of them. Alternatively, the "loyalty to the group" trait may have been there from the very the earliest stages of their development as a species: picture a pack of wolves or a pride of lions whose only loyalty is to the alpha male, and may be all descended from him. Scary.
15th Jun '13 1:24:19 AM Snarf
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* In Homeward Bound, a Lizard cleaning crew accidentally some rats humans were using as taste-testers. They escape into the sewers of Home to reproduce and wreak havoc. Turnabout is fair play, but why hasn't Atvar insisted from the beginning that they only bring down males or only bring down females? Why were they allowed to bring a breeding population down from their ship in the first place?
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* In Homeward Bound, a Lizard cleaning crew accidentally some rats humans were using as taste-testers. They escape into the sewers of Home to reproduce and wreak havoc. Turnabout is fair play, but why hasn't Atvar insisted from the beginning that they only bring down males or only bring down females? Why were they allowed to bring a breeding population down from their ship in the first place?place? ** The Race has a hard time distinguishing between human males and females; why would it be any easier for them to spot a breeding pair of rats? And the humans need a steady supply of rats, as some of them may not survive their assigned duty for whatever reason. Easier just to breed your own rats rather than keep calling the ship for new ones.
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