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30th Apr '17 11:41:41 PM ThallianGold
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* The Veidt Method ad campaign:[[IronicEcho I will give you bodies beyond imagination.]]
29th Apr '17 8:12:52 PM dbsamurai
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** Alternatively what happens when you start a nuclear reaction? It gives off Chernov Radiation, which is the same shade of Blue as Dr. Manhattan. As a reflection of his nuclear reassembly he's giving off the same radiation as a nuclear reaction. Ozymandias even capitalizes on this to turn the public against him.
24th Apr '17 8:38:16 AM Caswin
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* Seeing the one-time "Mister Moloch" as an old man in a cheap apartment who's dying of cancer really seems to take the wind out of Rorschach's monochrome "evil must be punished" sails... after he went to the trouble of ''ambushing him from inside his refrigerator.'' Rorschach probably ''wanted'' a super-villain to fight, not, as he is finally faced with, downbeat old Edgar Jacobi.
20th Feb '17 4:05:56 PM MegaSolipsist
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** It is diegetic. In the graphic novel it shows the lyrics to "Unforgettable" coming from the advertisement on the television. When the television is destroyed in the fight, it transitions from diegetic to non-diegetic.
20th Feb '17 3:54:02 PM MegaSolipsist
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*** Actually, in the original graphic novel, Ozymandias explicitly acknowledges Alexander's failings and realised long ago that he shouldn't look up to him. This wasn't made as clear in the film.
15th Feb '17 11:37:33 AM BatmanKalEl
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* Chapter 11 actually manages to [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] this, qualifying as an in-universe use of the trope. When Veidt reveals that he hired his own assassin in order to cast suspicion away from him, Dan expresses disbelief, and asks what would happen if the assassin shot at him instead. Veidt replies that he would have just had to catch the bullet. Dan's reaction is priceless, and the look on Veidt's face is just awesome. The fact that he actually ''does'' catch a bullet in the next chapter, in spite of his own doubt, makes it even better. Also, it's worth noting that he managed to ''block'' the bullet with a heavy lamp when the assassin did shoot at him.
9th Dec '16 5:28:22 PM LookielouE1705
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*** He could have left them a false clue directing them anywhere but Karnak, and by the time they recognized it as a red herring they would have been out of danger. But luring them to Karnac enabled him to talk them out of continuing to persue him - to beat them by talking, as well as by combat.

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*** He could have left them a false clue directing them anywhere but Karnak, and by the time they recognized it as a red herring they would have been out of danger. But luring them to Karnac Karnak enabled him to talk them out of continuing to persue pursue him - to beat them by talking, as well as by combat.


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** Veidt suggests that, but we should probably consider it the rationalization of an unreliable narrator. We've seen glimpses enough of The Comedian's underlying softness to be confident he's actually a normal person.
9th Dec '16 5:21:21 PM LookielouE1705
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*** He could have left them a false clue directing them anywhere but Karnak, and by the time they recognized it as a red herring they would have been out of danger. But luring them to Karnac enabled him to talk them out of continuing to persue him - to beat them by talking, as well as by combat.
9th Dec '16 4:59:47 PM LookielouE1705
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*** To the innocent civilians slaughtered in Hiroshima the distinction is immaterial, and that is the crux of the moral dilemma: acts of war committed by a government do not justify "collateral damage" inflicted on people whose only crime was the misfortune of being ruled by a government engaged in warfare. There's no moral difference between the civilians of Hiroshima and those of New York. Put more concretely, if Ozy had waited for Nixon to launch nukes, would he then have beem justified in slaughtering not Nixon but the psychologist, the news vendor, etc?

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*** To the innocent civilians slaughtered in Hiroshima the distinction is immaterial, and that is the crux of the moral dilemma: acts of war committed by a government do not justify "collateral damage" inflicted on people whose only crime was the misfortune of being ruled by a government engaged in warfare. There's no moral difference between the civilians of Hiroshima and those of New York. Put more concretely, if Ozy had waited for Nixon to launch nukes, would he then have beem justified in slaughtering not Nixon but the psychologist, the news vendor, etc?etc? And if Truman could have accomplished the same goals by nuking an American city half the size of Hiroshima (suppose nuking one of his own cities would have demonstrated his ax-crazy resolve) then he would have been morally obligated to nuke that city instead of Hiroshima, even though he would have been judged more harshly for nuking one of his own cities rather than a foreign one by people stuck in an atavistic, tribalist mentality.
9th Dec '16 4:38:23 PM LookielouE1705
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*** To the innocent civilians slaughtered in Hiroshima the distinction is immaterial, and that is the crux of the moral dilemma: acts of war committed by a government do not justify "collateral damage" inflicted on people whose only crime was the misfortune of being ruled by a government engaged in warfare. There's no moral difference between the civilians of Hiroshima and those of New York.

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*** To the innocent civilians slaughtered in Hiroshima the distinction is immaterial, and that is the crux of the moral dilemma: acts of war committed by a government do not justify "collateral damage" inflicted on people whose only crime was the misfortune of being ruled by a government engaged in warfare. There's no moral difference between the civilians of Hiroshima and those of New York. Put more concretely, if Ozy had waited for Nixon to launch nukes, would he then have beem justified in slaughtering not Nixon but the psychologist, the news vendor, etc?
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