History Fridge / Watchmen

16th Jan '16 6:06:41 PM SPBurke
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* The incredible symmetry that slowly unveils itself over the course of the book. **"Watchmen" originally ran for 12 issues, and there are 12 hands on a clock. ** How does Adrian succeed in his plan? Doing something ahead of time. ** The term "Watchmen" refers to both costumed heroes and Jon's original desire to be a watchmaker. ** Thanks to the nine panel grid, the story moves with the beats and precision of a clock. ** Dr. Manhattan experiences time in a non-linear fashion. How is the story told? Primarily through flashback, i.e. non-linearly. In fact, since Dr. Manhattan can perceive all of time at once, it could be argued we're seeing the story from HIS perspective. ** The same way "Citizen Kane" could only have worked as a film, and "Sgt. Pepper" could only have worked as a music recording, "Watchmen" could only have worked as a graphic novel, showing the unique ways you can tell a story in the medium.
15th Jan '16 11:48:36 PM Anddrix
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**** Ironically, I came to just the ''opposite'' degree of Brilliance when it came to Ozy's name. Adrian realizes he's the best, he's the brightest, he has all the best plans and everything is going his way with hardly any visible effort. He conquers (metaphorically) the known world. He comes up with a plan that, while horrific, will unify the entire world, and it ''works.'' Then he gets called out on it that it's at best a stop-gap, a band-aid on the sucking chest wound that is humanity's self-destructive nature. Rather than rage at such a notion, he ''admits the possibility.'' Adrian doesn't miss his own faults, he KNOWS them. So he either specifically took on the name knowing his faults, he specifically took it on to prove he could OVERCOME those faults unlike Alexander, or maybe it was one big in-universe TakeThat at folks who didn't look past the surface of things. After all, most folks have heard some rendition of the whole "Look upon my works" epitaph, but have [[ViewersAreMorons no idea]] that it was an ironic-in-hindsight statement that was all that remained of the base of a ruined, forgotten structure.
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**** Ironically, I came to just the ''opposite'' degree of Brilliance when it came to Ozy's name. Adrian realizes he's the best, he's the brightest, he has all the best plans and everything is going his way with hardly any visible effort. He conquers (metaphorically) the known world. He comes up with a plan that, while horrific, will unify the entire world, and it ''works.'' Then he gets called out on it that it's at best a stop-gap, a band-aid on the sucking chest wound that is humanity's self-destructive nature. Rather than rage at such a notion, he ''admits the possibility.'' Adrian doesn't miss his own faults, he KNOWS them. So he either specifically took on the name knowing his faults, he specifically took it on to prove he could OVERCOME those faults unlike Alexander, or maybe it was one big in-universe TakeThat at folks who didn't look past the surface of things. After all, most folks have heard some rendition of the whole "Look upon my works" epitaph, but have [[ViewersAreMorons no idea]] idea that it was an ironic-in-hindsight statement that was all that remained of the base of a ruined, forgotten structure.
19th Aug '15 9:59:42 PM RhymeBeat
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* In the opening montage, Neil Armstrong is shown to say "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky." There's an urban legend in which Armstrong said that shortly after climbing down from the LEM; the story goes that he overheard an argument between his boyhood neighbors, the Gorskys, in which Mrs. Gorsky responded to her husband's request for fellatio with "Oral sex? Oral sex you want? You'll get oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!" Since ''Watchmen'' is set in an AlternateTimeLine, it's plausible that what in our world is mere urban legend might in that world have actually occurred.
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* In the opening montage, Neil Armstrong is shown to say "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky." There's an urban legend in which Armstrong said that shortly after climbing down from the LEM; the story goes that he overheard an argument between his boyhood neighbors, the Gorskys, in which Mrs. Gorsky responded to her husband's request for fellatio with "Oral sex? Oral sex you want? You'll get oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!" Since ''Watchmen'' is set in an AlternateTimeLine, it's plausible that what in our world is mere urban legend might in that world have actually occurred.occurred. *Some veiwers may complain about the [[spoiler: altered ending but thematically it ties very well into '''Dr. Manhattan'''. He is a god-like force that humanity is losing controls of, similar to how nuclear power fills man with both fear and awe.]]
18th Aug '15 2:13:04 PM Prfnoff
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** Moore was saying this long before ''BeforeWatchmen''. He was talking more about the whole DarkAgeOfComics and how so many creators only used the surface trappings of Rorschach. It's all [[http://www.avclub.com/articles/alan-moore,13740/ right here]].
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** Moore was saying this long before ''BeforeWatchmen''.''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen''. He was talking more about the whole DarkAgeOfComics and how so many creators only used the surface trappings of Rorschach. It's all [[http://www.avclub.com/articles/alan-moore,13740/ right here]].
26th Jul '15 12:21:16 AM 666metalupyourass
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***Not really, it doesn´t.
5th Jan '15 7:05:38 AM CantNotLookAtThisSite
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*** Actually, Moloch was in the picture of the toy line-up. He was The Comedian's enemy. **** Wait, don't you have to pay people for the rights for their likeness? Several of the people in question have secret identities, but Moloch was arrested several times. What, did Veidt talk him into selling his rights for pennies? ***** Maybe there's some variation of the Son of Sam laws, and you can't have likeness rights to a criminal likeness, or you lose them if you're convicted of a crime. Quite possibly, this is something in the Keene act - there were Nite Owl toys too, but it doesn't seem that Adrian was paying Dan for those rights either. ****** The letters say that since being a masked man is illegal, those images can't really be copyrighted. Additionally, Moloch likely didn't have anyone to stand up for his rights.
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*** ** Adrian says he "has no enemies" because [[spoiler:''he called the hit on himself!'']] ** Actually, Moloch was in the picture of the toy line-up. He was The Comedian's enemy. **** *** Wait, don't you have to pay people for the rights for their likeness? Several of the people in question have secret identities, but Moloch was arrested several times. What, did Veidt talk him into selling his rights for pennies? ***** **** Maybe there's some variation of the Son of Sam laws, and you can't have likeness rights to a criminal likeness, or you lose them if you're convicted of a crime. Quite possibly, this is something in the Keene act - there were Nite Owl toys too, but it doesn't seem that Adrian was paying Dan for those rights either. ****** ***** The letters say that since being a masked man is illegal, those images can't really be copyrighted. Additionally, Moloch likely didn't have anyone to stand up for his rights.
5th Jan '15 6:58:23 AM CantNotLookAtThisSite
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** Something even more noticeable: As you read through Chapter IV, notice how Jon/Dr. Manhattan's clothes slowly start disappearing. Initially he wears jeans and a vest-top, and shoes. Then he switches to a rather hilarious-looking Spandex costume. In 1964 he informs the Pentagon that he is no longer wearing the whole of his costume - and switches to a leotard, and now barefoot. In Vietnam, he switches to just a pair of briefs. In 1977 these appear to reduce even further to something more like a thong. And come 1985, Dr. Manhattan - the being once known as Jon Osterman - walks around in the nude, so disconnected with humanity at this point he ''sees no objective reason to wear clothing''.
28th Dec '14 9:21:32 AM CantNotLookAtThisSite
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* In the chapter "Fearful Symmetry", Rorschach says off-hand to Edgar Jacobi (aka Moloch the Mystic), "Sorry about mess. Can't make omelette without breaking few eggs." This might not seem too relevant. ''Now think about the ending.''
5th Apr '14 2:53:39 AM aaron-em
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of course he's not; that's sort of the point. (the account creation process should really include a test of basic competence with English spelling, grammar, and syntax, something i would be happy to implement.)
* In ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'' there is a scene where the silhouette kisses a women in the vein as the V-J Day in Time Square. In the background there is a white sailor walking towards them who then turns to the left in his stride. The original photo has the sailor in black but then i realised it! In the original picture there was a man in the background wearing white and the silhouette was wearing black so the original sailor wasn't there in the Watchmen universe! * In the opening scene, an unidentified assailant fights and then kills the Comedian as the song "Unforgettable" by Nat King Cole plays in the background. The identity of the assailant can be figured out from [[spoiler: the song choice; in the comic and in the film, it is played in a television commercial for the perfume Nostalgia, which is produced by Veidt Corporation!]] It might not be Fridge Brilliance so much as merely an observation and interesting connection, though. ** Are you sure the music isn't diegetic? It could be simply that a commercial for Nostalgia was playing on the Comedian's TV during the fight. Granted, given the style of the movie it'd still count as half a clue. * In the opening credits montage of events of American history post World War II, including Neil Armstrong saying "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky." There's an urban legend in which Armstrong said that shortly after climbing down from the LEM; the story goes that he overheard an argument between his boyhood neighbors, the Gorskys, in which Mrs. Gorsky responded to her husband's request for fellatio with "Oral sex? Oral sex you want? You'll get oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!" Since ''Watchmen'' is set in an AlternateTimeLine, it's plausible that what in our world is mere urban legend might in that world have actually occurred.
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* In ''Film/{{Watchmen}}'' there is a scene where the silhouette kisses a women in the vein as the V-J Day in Time Square. In the background there is a white sailor walking towards them who then turns to the left in his stride. The original photo has the sailor in black but then i realised it! In the original picture there was a man in the background wearing white and the silhouette was wearing black so the original sailor wasn't there in the Watchmen universe! * In the opening scene, an unidentified assailant fights and then kills the Comedian as the song "Unforgettable" by Nat King Cole plays in the background. The identity of the assailant can be figured out from [[spoiler: the song choice; in the comic and in the film, it the song is played used in a television commercial for the perfume Nostalgia, which is produced by Veidt Corporation!]] It might not be Fridge Brilliance so much as merely an observation and interesting connection, though. ** Are you sure the music isn't diegetic? It could be simply that a commercial for Nostalgia was playing on the Comedian's TV during the fight. Granted, given the style of the movie (and the book), it'd still count as half a clue. * In the opening credits montage of events of American history post World War II, including montage, Neil Armstrong saying is shown to say "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky." There's an urban legend in which Armstrong said that shortly after climbing down from the LEM; the story goes that he overheard an argument between his boyhood neighbors, the Gorskys, in which Mrs. Gorsky responded to her husband's request for fellatio with "Oral sex? Oral sex you want? You'll get oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon!" Since ''Watchmen'' is set in an AlternateTimeLine, it's plausible that what in our world is mere urban legend might in that world have actually occurred.
5th Apr '14 2:48:33 AM aaron-em
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* In the opening credits montage of events of American history post World War II, including Neil Armstrong saying "Good Luck Mr. Gorsky." The urban legend was that Armstrong's neighbor said the day he goes on the moon is the day she'll give him oral sex. Since the movie is set in an AlternateTimeline, it makes sense that it would be history as opposed to a legend.
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** Are you sure the music isn't diegetic? It could be simply that a commercial for Nostalgia was playing on the Comedian's TV during the fight. Granted, given the style of the movie it'd still count as half a clue. * In the opening credits montage of events of American history post World War II, including Neil Armstrong saying "Good Luck luck, Mr. Gorsky." The There's an urban legend was in which Armstrong said that Armstrong's neighbor said shortly after climbing down from the day he LEM; the story goes that he overheard an argument between his boyhood neighbors, the Gorskys, in which Mrs. Gorsky responded to her husband's request for fellatio with "Oral sex? Oral sex you want? You'll get oral sex when the kid next door walks on the moon is the day she'll give him oral sex. moon!" Since the movie ''Watchmen'' is set in an AlternateTimeline, it makes sense AlternateTimeLine, it's plausible that it would be history as opposed to a legend.what in our world is mere urban legend might in that world have actually occurred.
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