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17th Apr '16 8:32:11 AM Westbrook
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*** The hate of mutants at his home shape every aspect of miles, but why does that hate exist? Imagine a world that is colonized by only a few (by virtue of a world) isolated colonists. Inbreeding becomes a major issue, and thus negative recessive genes will lead to birth defects regularly. This is a world where 'mutations' (depending on how one defines a mutation) occur regularly and the only possible way for the world to survive is infanticide. Think about that, they *HAD* to be willing to kill their own children at the slightest sign of birth defect to even survive. One can imagine how an experience like that would become ingrained into the cultural psychology. Sure, birth defects aren't an issue in present day, but after so many generations of them being real issues it's understandable why a stigma would exist

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*** The hate of mutants at his home shape every aspect of miles, Miles, but why does that hate exist? Imagine a world that is colonized by only a few (by virtue of a world) isolated colonists. Inbreeding becomes a major issue, and thus negative recessive genes will lead to birth defects regularly. This is a world where 'mutations' (depending on how one defines a mutation) occur regularly and the only possible way for the world to survive is infanticide. Think about that, they *HAD* to be willing to kill their own children at the slightest sign of birth defect to even survive. One can imagine how an experience like that would become ingrained into the cultural psychology. Sure, birth defects aren't an issue in present day, but after so many generations of them being real issues it's understandable why a stigma would exist



* Ivan has become a diplomat as of ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen''. This was very likely strategic on Gregor's part. Ivan's half-Jacksonian[=/=]half-Cetagandan wife Tej might be something of a political liability on Barrayar. But elsewhere in the Nexus she helps give Ivan a more cosmopolitan air and debunks the widespread of perception of Barrayarans (especially Vor) being inbred isolationists. Notably, in ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', both Tej and Rish thought it was a big deal that Ivan had a mere one-eighth Betan ancestry. Gregor himself has hoped his own marriage to a Komarran would improve unity within the Imperium. Miles, five-eighths Betan, has always been one of the best adapted Vor to matters of galactic affairs. Ivan making the rounds on the diplomatic circuit with his galactic wife on his arm presents a much less parochial image of a Barrayaran Vor lord. As an added bonus, since Tej makes Ivan (and their children) too controversial to be an acceptable candidate for the throne as compared to Gregor and Mile's respective heirs, Ivan no longer has to maintain a pretense of being a ditz to avoid being the target of conspiracies. Thus Gregor could freely give him a more prominent job.

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* Ivan has become a diplomat as of ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen''. This was very likely strategic on Gregor's part. Ivan's half-Jacksonian[=/=]half-Cetagandan wife Tej might be something of a political liability on Barrayar. But elsewhere in the Nexus she helps give Ivan a more cosmopolitan air and debunks the widespread of perception of Barrayarans (especially Vor) being inbred isolationists. Notably, in ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', both Tej and Rish thought it was a big deal that Ivan had a mere one-eighth Betan ancestry. Gregor himself has hoped his own marriage to a Komarran would improve unity within the Imperium. Miles, five-eighths Betan, has always been one of the best adapted Vor to matters of galactic affairs. Ivan making the rounds on the diplomatic circuit with his galactic wife on his arm presents a much less parochial image of a Barrayaran Vor lord. As an added bonus, since Tej makes Ivan (and their children) too controversial to be an acceptable candidate for the throne as compared to Gregor and Mile's Miles' respective heirs, Ivan no longer has to maintain a pretense of being a ditz to avoid being the target of conspiracies. Thus Gregor could freely give him a more prominent job.
25th Feb '16 9:01:00 AM psionycx
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* Ivan has become a diplomat as of ''Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen''. This was very likely strategic on Gregor's part. Ivan's half-Jacksonian[=/=]half-Cetagandan wife Tej might be something of a political liability on Barrayar. But elsewhere in the Nexus she helps give Ivan a more cosmopolitan air and debunks the widespread of perception of Barrayarans (especially Vor) being inbred isolationists. Notably, in ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', both Tej and Rish thought it was a big deal that Ivan had a mere one-eighth Betan ancestry. Gregor himself has hoped his own marriage to a Komarran would improve unity within the Imperium. Miles, five-eighths Betan, has always been one of the best adapted Vor to matters of galactic affairs. Ivan making the rounds on the diplomatic circuit with his galactic wife on his arm presents a much less parochial image of a Barrayaran Vor lord. As an added bonus, since Tej makes Ivan (and their children) too controversial to be an acceptable candidate for the throne as compared to Gregor and Mile's respective heirs, Ivan no longer has to maintain a pretense of being a ditz to avoid being the target of conspiracies. Thus Gregor could freely give him a more prominent job.
19th Feb '16 5:25:13 PM psionycx
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*** Adherents of the GoodOldWays are fighting a losing battle at least partly because Galactic reproductive technology can accomplish something that no amount of careful breeding and infanticide could -- guaranteeing defect-free births. Progressives who have adopted genetic screening and use of uterine replicators can reliably produce healthy offspring, while natural conceptions are still a gamble. Emperor Gregor did not have to have his arm twisted by Laisa Toscane over the stipulation that they would have kids the modern way precisely because he is so worried about congenital insanity among the Vor, and his line in particular, that a Galactic wife insisting on doing this eliminated one of his biggest fears in life. It is doing the same for numerous other Barrayarans, who in turn start to decide that other technological innovations are not so bad either.
19th Feb '16 5:12:41 PM psionycx
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* Mark's win-win plan to bring an end to the ExpendableClone industry on Jackson's Whole. The Durona Group's current FountainOfYouth project would be a ''lot'' more appealing to otherwise amoral clients that might be squeamish about having their brains cut out of their skulls in a potentially fatal transplant into a younger clone body, even if the Durona's can currently only regress someone from old age to middle age. Plus, the competition this will create in the market will force the Jacksonian Houses to try to come up with comparable, or better, treatments of this sort in the face of the marketing argument that it is safer to make your own body younger than to try getting your brain put into a new one. Thus, even if the Houses stay in this business, the clone side of it will likely become less and less popular. Which is what Mark really wants.
4th Apr '15 4:38:49 AM AnotherGuy
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** Baryar: The world was developed intended be a Sword and Sandles world, but how does one justify that in high tech? Strand the world, let them regress, then bring them back to modern technology. Their tech may be nearly up to date, but their *culture* is still stuck in mideval world trying to adapt.

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** Baryar: Barrayar: The world was developed intended be a Sword and Sandles world, but how does one justify that in high tech? Strand the world, let them regress, then bring them back to modern technology. Their tech may be nearly up to date, but their *culture* is still stuck in mideval world trying to adapt.




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**** NotSoDifferent: Cetaganda's ''haut'' women share the same duties.
24th Jan '15 9:40:28 PM Rebu
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*** Why do women have so little power? because in a world where people were fighting to survive, and infanticide occured regulalry, women *had* to be breeders. The emphasis on producing children, and protecting women so they could produce children, can be seen in all over the place in policy and practices on the planet.

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*** Why do women have so little power? because in a world where people were fighting to survive, and infanticide occured regulalry, occurred regularly, women *had* to be breeders. The emphasis on producing children, and protecting women so they could produce children, can be seen in all over the place in policy and practices on the planet. (Note: This also may have had significant influence on the development of gender roles in the real world as well.)
1st Dec '14 12:10:51 PM roxana
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** On top of this, most of the characters we see strongly favoring replicator birth later in the series- Miles, Cordelia, Alys, and Ekaterin- all have extremely strong personal reasons for doing so.

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** On top of this, most of the characters we see strongly favoring replicator birth later in the series- Miles, Cordelia, Alys, and Ekaterin- Alys - all have extremely strong personal reasons for doing so.so. Ekaterin in her doormat fashion seems to have adopted the prejudice but clearly feels that she is somehow cheating her children.
1st Dec '14 12:08:54 PM roxana
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** Women have all kinds of power on Barrayar, in their roles as reproducers and guardians of the genome and as mistresses of households and estates. They even enjoy certain legal immunities as lieges to their husbands who take the hit for them. Granted these are not kinds of power either men or women are taught to esteem in non-traditional societies.

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** *** Women have all kinds of power on Barrayar, in their roles as reproducers and guardians of the genome and as mistresses of households and estates. They even enjoy certain legal immunities as lieges to their husbands who take the hit for them. Granted these are not kinds of power either men or women are taught to esteem in non-traditional societies.
1st Dec '14 12:08:35 PM roxana
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** Women have all kinds of power on Barrayar, in their roles as reproducers and guardians of the genome and as mistresses of households and estates. They even enjoy certain legal immunities as lieges to their husbands who take the hit for them. Granted these are not kinds of power either men or women are taught to esteem in non-traditional societies.
17th Oct '14 10:44:25 AM dsollen
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* The skillful aversion of standard PlanetOfHats deserves praise. Serious world building was put into even minor details of each planet, with justification for their cultural beliefs that *make sense*, and due to the small size of habitable space, and the prevelance of technology that make it easier to communicate with anyone on planet, the shared culture of planets make sense.
**Baryar: The world was developed intended be a Sword and Sandles world, but how does one justify that in high tech? Strand the world, let them regress, then bring them back to modern technology. Their tech may be nearly up to date, but their *culture* is still stuck in mideval world trying to adapt.
***The hate of mutants at his home shape every aspect of miles, but why does that hate exist? Imagine a world that is colonized by only a few (by virtue of a world) isolated colonists. Inbreeding becomes a major issue, and thus negative recessive genes will lead to birth defects regularly. This is a world where 'mutations' (depending on how one defines a mutation) occur regularly and the only possible way for the world to survive is infanticide. Think about that, they *HAD* to be willing to kill their own children at the slightest sign of birth defect to even survive. One can imagine how an experience like that would become ingrained into the cultural psychology. Sure, birth defects aren't an issue in present day, but after so many generations of them being real issues it's understandable why a stigma would exist
***Why do women have so little power? because in a world where people were fighting to survive, and infanticide occured regulalry, women *had* to be breeders. The emphasis on producing children, and protecting women so they could produce children, can be seen in all over the place in policy and practices on the planet.
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