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11th May '18 8:54:28 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** [[FridgeBrilliance Or that you remember seeing what he wanted you to see.]]
11th May '18 8:53:52 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Also, there's a good chance the player will realize the StealthPun at work before the PlayerCharacter brings it up in dialogue: [[spoiler:the Lunatics [in this case, a nickname for Clan Malkavian] are running The Asylum]].

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** Also, there's * There's a good chance the player will realize the StealthPun at work before the PlayerCharacter brings it up in dialogue: [[spoiler:the the Lunatics [in this case, a nickname for Clan Malkavian] are running The Asylum]].Asylum.



* Why does [=LaCroix=] insist that you look at him when you tell him that you saw [[spoiler:Nines Rodriguez]] leaving Grout's mansion? Dominate requires eye contact, and the Prince wants to be absolutely sure he's getting the truth of the matter.

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* Why does [=LaCroix=] insist that you look at him when you tell him that you saw [[spoiler:Nines Rodriguez]] Nines Rodriguez leaving Grout's mansion? Dominate requires eye contact, and the Prince wants to be absolutely sure he's getting the truth of the matter.



* The Elisabeth Dane, a ship where the Ankharan Sarcophagus was discovered had all it's crew slaughtered before the rest of the plot happened. The endings in which you discover what is in the sarcophagus seem to come out of nowhere unless you remember that [[spoiler: Jack used to be a pirate.]] Yes, that, turns out to have been an actual hint.

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* The Elisabeth Dane, a ship where the Ankharan Sarcophagus was discovered had all it's crew slaughtered before the rest of the plot happened. The endings in which you discover what is in the sarcophagus seem to come out of nowhere unless you remember that [[spoiler: Jack used to be a pirate.]] pirate. Yes, that, turns out to have been an actual hint.



** There's a further layer of fridge brilliance there: what could be the greatest possible madness to afflict a Malkavian, who have incurable insanity as their [[GangOfHats hat]]? Being absolutely convinced that he is the OnlySaneMan, of course. This leads to yet another layer of fridge brilliance regarding the voices he hears: so far from being random babblings, they are a fine example of paranoia-as-heightened-awareness - truly an ironic affliction for someone who believes himself to see the truth more clearly than anyone else. The final layer comes when one realizes that [[spoiler:even this heightened awareness was a falsehood - the greatest danger to him came from Ming-Xiao, not [=LaCroix=]]].
* So, there are Werewolves, notorious for their hatred of vampires, that are hanging out in Griffith park? Why haven't they attacked the city before now? [[spoiler: Especially when an Antediluvian is about to rise?]] Answer: [[spoiler: The sarcophagus contains only explosives, and the werewolves, with their spiritual powers know that. Hence, they have more important things to do then mess with a few vampires in a city.]]

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** There's a further layer of fridge brilliance there: what could be the greatest possible madness to afflict a Malkavian, who have incurable insanity as their [[GangOfHats hat]]? Being absolutely convinced that he is the OnlySaneMan, of course. This leads to yet another layer of fridge brilliance regarding the voices he hears: so far from being random babblings, they are a fine example of paranoia-as-heightened-awareness - truly an ironic affliction for someone who believes himself to see the truth more clearly than anyone else. The final layer comes when one realizes that [[spoiler:even even this heightened awareness was a falsehood - the greatest danger to him came from Ming-Xiao, not [=LaCroix=]]].
[=LaCroix=].
* So, there are Werewolves, notorious for their hatred of vampires, that are hanging out in Griffith park? Why haven't they attacked the city before now? [[spoiler: Especially when an Antediluvian is about to rise?]] rise? Answer: [[spoiler: The sarcophagus contains only explosives, and the werewolves, with their spiritual powers know that. Hence, they have more important things to do then mess with a few vampires in a city.]]



* The chess metaphors you're mailed from "a friend" tend to make even more sense if you actually know more than just the basic rules. LaCroix as the white king seems straightforward enough, but consider that the king, despite its critical importance to the game, is extremely weak and vulnerable, and relies on the other pieces to protect it... just like how LaCroix relies on everyone else to play along with his game, and will go down without a fight unless you side with him. Grout is the bishop - technically important and useful under the right circumstances, but also limited in scope and just as useful as a sacrifice. As a Primogen, he's nominally important to the Camarilla hierarchy, but as an insane Malkavian he's unreliable and useless, and very few would miss him, making him a prime subject for trap bait. Finally, the fledgeling as the pawn - commonly acknowledged as the weakest piece, with limited movement and ability; disposable, replaceable, forgettable. But if a pawn manages to survive long enough to cross the whole board, they can become any piece they want to be, and is deep inside enemy territory when that happens. Just like how the fledgeling, at the end of the game, will have a wide spread of powers, abilities, weapons and contacts, and is in a prime position to win the game for any side that they choose to favor. [[spoiler:Also, note that "become any piece they want to be" includes ''enemy pieces'', which is a very questionable gambit, but has actually been part of some winning chess strategies.]]
* After you (finally) retrieve the sarcophagus, there's a cutscene that shows you loading it into the back of a truck. Where have you seen a truck like that before? You borrowed it from Fat Larry, of course! Still doesn't explain how you managed to sneak the sarcophagus out of [[spoiler:the Giovanni mansion]] without being spotted, though.

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* The chess metaphors you're mailed from "a friend" tend to make even more sense if you actually know more than just the basic rules. LaCroix as the white king seems straightforward enough, but consider that the king, despite its critical importance to the game, is extremely weak and vulnerable, and relies on the other pieces to protect it... just like how LaCroix relies on everyone else to play along with his game, and will go down without a fight unless you side with him. Grout is the bishop - technically important and useful under the right circumstances, but also limited in scope and just as useful as a sacrifice. As a Primogen, he's nominally important to the Camarilla hierarchy, but as an insane Malkavian he's unreliable and useless, and very few would miss him, making him a prime subject for trap bait. Finally, the fledgeling as the pawn - commonly acknowledged as the weakest piece, with limited movement and ability; disposable, replaceable, forgettable. But if a pawn manages to survive long enough to cross the whole board, they can become any piece they want to be, and is deep inside enemy territory when that happens. Just like how the fledgeling, at the end of the game, will have a wide spread of powers, abilities, weapons and contacts, and is in a prime position to win the game for any side that they choose to favor. [[spoiler:Also, Also, note that "become any piece they want to be" includes ''enemy pieces'', which is a very questionable gambit, but has actually been part of some winning chess strategies.]]
strategies.
* After you (finally) retrieve the sarcophagus, there's a cutscene that shows you loading it into the back of a truck. Where have you seen a truck like that before? You borrowed it from Fat Larry, of course! Still doesn't explain how you managed to sneak the sarcophagus out of [[spoiler:the the Giovanni mansion]] mansion without being spotted, though.



* In the first bounty hunter quest, if Gimble had already [[spoiler: captured [=McGee=] and cut his arms and legs off]], why was he still trying to reach him at the tattoo parlor?
** It's likely [[spoiler:he'd bugged the parlor and wanted to drag in more victims (like people looking for [=McGee=]) by using the phone to contact them.]]
** Also, are we really sure [[spoiler:he did get [=McGree=]]]? I don't remember them actually saying it.
** [[spoiler:Gimble did get [=McGee=]; Carson mentions that Gimble has been mutilating both him and [=McGee=], and after the boss fight with Gimble, you can look in one of the cells and see [=McGee=]'s corpse.]]
* A more serious problem in the same quest. Being able to send [[spoiler:Gimble to Vandal in the blood bank]] is a great idea, but why doesn't it make you lose humanity? OK, Gimble is a serial killer, but when the mentionned dialog option appears, the player character is talking with Gimble in his waiting room and it is the only oportunity to do it. You discover the proofs that Gimble is a serial killer ''after'' this point, when you explore his basement (and speaking with him is no longer possible). You just sent to his death someone you didn't have any reason yet to suspect, so it should have triggered a humanity loss.

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* In the first bounty hunter quest, if Gimble had already [[spoiler: captured [=McGee=] and cut his arms and legs off]], off, why was he still trying to reach him at the tattoo parlor?
** It's likely [[spoiler:he'd he'd bugged the parlor and wanted to drag in more victims (like people looking for [=McGee=]) by using the phone to contact them.]]
them.
** Also, are we really sure [[spoiler:he he did get [=McGree=]]]? [=McGree=]? I don't remember them actually saying it.
** [[spoiler:Gimble **Gimble did get [=McGee=]; Carson mentions that Gimble has been mutilating both him and [=McGee=], and after the boss fight with Gimble, you can look in one of the cells and see [=McGee=]'s corpse.]]
corpse.
* A more serious problem in the same quest. Being able to send [[spoiler:Gimble Gimble to Vandal in the blood bank]] bank is a great idea, but why doesn't it make you lose humanity? OK, Gimble is a serial killer, but when the mentionned mentioned dialog option appears, the player character is talking with Gimble in his waiting room and it is the only oportunity opportunity to do it. You discover the proofs that Gimble is a serial killer ''after'' this point, when you explore his basement (and speaking with him is no longer possible). You just sent to his death someone you didn't have any reason yet to suspect, so it should have triggered a humanity loss.



* How could Vandal be using [[spoiler:Lily]] as a "donor" at the blood bank? Being a vampire, she wouldn't be capable of producing blood.
** This idea might be worthy of FridgeHorror. Maybe she wasn't staying to simply donate. She was being restrained, fed and then drained of her blood. Vandal probably has a good idea of how the blood bond works, and that Vampire blood could be used to replace normal human blood. He could be using [[spoiler:Lily's]] blood to give people blood transfusions, making them become addicted to her and thus be willing to come back. Essentially, he's making it so that there will always be people willing to give blood so he can make a killing off of vampires.

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* How could Vandal be using [[spoiler:Lily]] Lily as a "donor" at the blood bank? Being a vampire, she wouldn't be capable of producing blood.
** This idea might be worthy of FridgeHorror. Maybe she wasn't staying to simply donate. She was being restrained, fed and then drained of her blood. Vandal probably has a good idea of how the blood bond works, and that Vampire blood could be used to replace normal human blood. He could be using [[spoiler:Lily's]] Lily's blood to give people blood transfusions, making them become addicted to her and thus be willing to come back. Essentially, he's making it so that there will always be people willing to give blood so he can make a killing off of vampires.
27th Jan '18 10:31:06 AM Wyvern76
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* After you (finally) retrieve the sarcophagus, there's a cutscene that shows you loading into the back of a truck. Where have you seen a truck like that before? You borrowed it from Fat Larry, of course! Still doesn't explain how you managed to sneak the sarcophagus out of [[spoiler:the Giovanni mansion]] without being spotted, though.

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* After you (finally) retrieve the sarcophagus, there's a cutscene that shows you loading it into the back of a truck. Where have you seen a truck like that before? You borrowed it from Fat Larry, of course! Still doesn't explain how you managed to sneak the sarcophagus out of [[spoiler:the Giovanni mansion]] without being spotted, though.
27th Jan '18 10:30:38 AM Wyvern76
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* After you (finally) retrieve the sarcophagus, there's a cutscene that shows you loading into the back of a truck. Where have you seen a truck like that before? You borrowed it from Fat Larry, of course! Still doesn't explain how you managed to sneak the sarcophagus out of [[spoiler:the Giovanni mansion]] without being spotted, though.
18th Jan '18 6:52:52 PM Sally777
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* How could Vandal be using [[spoiler:Lily]] as a "donor" at the blood bank? Being a vampire, she wouldn't be capable of producing blood.

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* How could Vandal be using [[spoiler:Lily]] as a "donor" at the blood bank? Being a vampire, she wouldn't be capable of producing blood.blood.
** This idea might be worthy of FridgeHorror. Maybe she wasn't staying to simply donate. She was being restrained, fed and then drained of her blood. Vandal probably has a good idea of how the blood bond works, and that Vampire blood could be used to replace normal human blood. He could be using [[spoiler:Lily's]] blood to give people blood transfusions, making them become addicted to her and thus be willing to come back. Essentially, he's making it so that there will always be people willing to give blood so he can make a killing off of vampires.
5th Jan '18 2:02:16 PM Wyvern76
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*** Very few people, especially those who have moved around a lot, have perfectly identifiable accents. This goes doubly when it comes to languages not native to the speaker. Figuring out someone who has never left Birmingham is from Birmingham by accent alone is one thing, but try figuring out the accent of a Frenchman who learned English from a German teacher at a school in Belgium, listens to British audiobooks and watches American TV.

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*** Very few people, especially those who have moved around a lot, have perfectly identifiable accents. This goes doubly when it comes to languages not native to the speaker. Figuring out someone who has never left Birmingham is from Birmingham by accent alone is one thing, but try figuring out the accent of a Frenchman who learned English from a German teacher at a school in Belgium, listens to British audiobooks and watches American TV.TV.
* How could Vandal be using [[spoiler:Lily]] as a "donor" at the blood bank? Being a vampire, she wouldn't be capable of producing blood.
6th Oct '17 1:47:31 AM Mooncalf
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* The chess metaphors you're mailed from "a friend" tend to make even more sense if you actually know more than just the basic rules. LaCroix as the white king seems straightforward enough, but consider that the king, despite its critical importance to the game, is extremely weak and vulnerable, and relies on the other pieces to protect it... just like how LaCroix relies on everyone else to play along with his game, and will go down without a fight unless you side with him. Grout is the bishop - technically important and useful under the right circumstances, but also limited in scope and just as useful as a sacrifice. As a Primogen, he's nominally important to the Camarilla hierarchy, but as an insane Malkavian he's unreliable and useless, and very few would miss him, making him a prime subject for trap bait. Finally, the fledgeling as the pawn - commonly acknowledged as the weakest piece, with limited movement and ability; disposable, replaceable, forgettable. But if a pawn manages to survive long enough to cross the whole board, they can become any piece they want to be, and is deep inside enemy territory when that happens. Just like how the fledgeling, at the end of the game, will have a wide spread of powers, abilities, weapons and contacts, and is in a prime position to win the game for any side that they choose to favor. [[spoiler:Also, note that "become any piece they want to be" includes ''enemy pieces'', which is a very questionable gambit, but has actually been part of some winning chess strategies.]]
24th Sep '17 3:14:18 PM timotaka
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* Why does Grout take so long to develop the madness of his clan? Answer, he doesn't. Later mentions of hearing voices are separate to his true insanity, which is his "infatuation with reason" as he puts it.

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* Why does Grout take so long to develop the madness of his clan? Answer, he doesn't. Later mentions of hearing voices are separate to his true insanity, which is his "infatuation with reason" as he puts it. A less charitable description would be a sociopath who grows increasingly more cold and clinical in his thinking while distancing himself from emotions.
20th May '17 3:15:46 PM nombretomado
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* VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines. As in many western [=RPG=]s, there is a Haggle skill that can get you better prices in stores. But what use is haggling in modern-day America, where prices are fixed? It seems silly until you realise that every single "store" in the game is one where haggling would logically be permitted. You buy things from a pawn shop and out of the back of a truck. Even the petrol station's gear is being sold "unofficially" by one of the employees.

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* VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlines. As in many western [=RPG=]s, there is a Haggle skill that can get you better prices in stores. But what use is haggling in modern-day America, where prices are fixed? It seems silly until you realise that every single "store" in the game is one where haggling would logically be permitted. You buy things from a pawn shop and out of the back of a truck. Even the petrol station's gear is being sold "unofficially" by one of the employees.
24th Mar '17 12:54:36 AM AnotherEpicFail
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** Also, in several rants, he makes reference to "The Great Worm" under the city, and "worms stripping the foulness from the skull of the earth." Well, werewolves already featured in the game, so perhaps the [{EldritchAbomination Wyrm]] as well...

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** Also, in several rants, he makes reference to "The Great Worm" under the city, and "worms stripping the foulness from the skull of the earth." Well, werewolves are already featured in the game, so perhaps the [{EldritchAbomination [[EldritchAbomination Wyrm]] as well...
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