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2nd Sep '17 8:45:19 PM onomatopoetry
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* In the first movie, we see at least one human Corvinus-descendant Lucian has had strung up in a rather painful manner and possibly killed. Michael is treated in a much more respectful manner. That doesn't seem to make much sense, until you remember that thanks to Selene, Lucian had to bite Michael to catch him, something that presumably didn't happen to the others. They were humans, and thus disposable, but Michael, as a lycan, can't be treated just any way.



* In ''Blood Wars'', Thomas tells David that [[spoiler: he and Amelia had to hide in the Nordic Coven until David was born, and thomas had to leave quickly with David because Viktor became suspicious of Amelia's absence and sent Semira to investigate. However, David was born in the 20th century, at which time Viktor would've in hibernation? This could be regarded as a PlotHole, unless Thomas actually meant that Kraven (who was regent of Viktor's coven during his hibernation) sent Semira on ''Viktor's behalf''. If this is the case, it could potentially be FridgeBrilliance, as if Amelia had a living heir, it would pose a threat to Kraven's plans to kill the Elders and take over the covens, thus making perfect sense why he would be suspicious of Amelia]].

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* In ''Blood Wars'', Thomas tells David that [[spoiler: he and Amelia had to hide in the Nordic Coven until David was born, and thomas Thomas had to leave quickly with David because Viktor became suspicious of Amelia's absence and sent Semira to investigate. However, David was born in the 20th century, at which time Viktor would've in hibernation? This could be regarded as a PlotHole, unless Thomas actually meant that Kraven (who was regent of Viktor's coven during his hibernation) sent Semira on ''Viktor's behalf''. If this is the case, it could potentially be FridgeBrilliance, as if Amelia had a living heir, it would pose a threat to Kraven's plans to kill the Elders and take over the covens, thus making perfect sense why he would be suspicious of Amelia]].
17th Dec '16 8:17:52 PM Stevebob
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* The Lycans managing [[spoiler:to thrive and exploit non-human prejudice among mankind to their advantage]] in ''Awakening'' make sense when one considers how, unlike Vampires, they can walk in the sunlight, control their werewolf transformations and more successully pass themselves off as regular humans [[spoiler:making it possible embed themselves into human society with none the wiser]].

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* The Lycans managing [[spoiler:to thrive and exploit non-human prejudice among mankind to their advantage]] in ''Awakening'' make sense when one considers how, unlike Vampires, they can walk in the sunlight, control their werewolf transformations and more successully successfully pass themselves off as regular humans [[spoiler:making it possible embed themselves into human society with none the wiser]].


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* In ''Blood Wars'', Thomas tells David that [[spoiler: he and Amelia had to hide in the Nordic Coven until David was born, and thomas had to leave quickly with David because Viktor became suspicious of Amelia's absence and sent Semira to investigate. However, David was born in the 20th century, at which time Viktor would've in hibernation? This could be regarded as a PlotHole, unless Thomas actually meant that Kraven (who was regent of Viktor's coven during his hibernation) sent Semira on ''Viktor's behalf''. If this is the case, it could potentially be FridgeBrilliance, as if Amelia had a living heir, it would pose a threat to Kraven's plans to kill the Elders and take over the covens, thus making perfect sense why he would be suspicious of Amelia]].
15th Dec '16 1:15:21 AM Sharlee
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* Lucian snatching Sonja's pendant and fleeing with it takes on much greater implications once you watch the second film: had he not done so, Victor would've most likely used it to open William's prison and kill the progenitor-Lycan in hope that it would wipe out the slaves who'd TurnedAgainstTheirMasters.
13th Jul '16 7:33:19 PM fbiuzz
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** Also unlike vampires, Lycans don't actively prey on humans for blood. So it's much easier for lycans to blend in since unlike vampires, they are not an actual threat to humanity.
6th Feb '16 1:38:23 AM Light_shade
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..."Born Slippy" is a song from the perspective of a druggie high on amphetamines.
First, "Born Slippy" is a term used to describe someone who is paranoid, especially while under the influence. This is likely the downright best evidence for this alone. Next, the pace of the song: It starts up with a mellow chord, and relaxed, flowing lyrics, that are largely nonsense. This is a metaphor for the high. Then, the drums go up a notch; few seconds later, WHOMP. The kick drum comes in. Metaphor for heavy heartbeat. Lyrics repeat "blonde" frequently, in addition to somewhat romantic lines ("and in walks an angel") suggesting a relationship with a woman. This may suggest that while tripping, the narrator is either recalling (and, in that case, possibly regretting) or is currently engaging in a romantic/sexual act. He references his mother multiple instances, hinting at guilt of what he is currently remembering or doing. The music starts getting more and more intense, with more instruments being added on (Speaking of which, DAT ARPEGGIATOR, YO.), until it finally crashes at the end of the song, hinting an energy crash or loss of consciousness.

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..."Born Slippy" is a song from the perspective of a druggie high on amphetamines.
First, "Born Slippy" is a term used to describe someone who is paranoid, especially while under the influence. This is likely the downright best evidence for this alone. Next, the pace of the song: It starts up with a mellow chord, and relaxed, flowing lyrics, that are largely nonsense. This is a metaphor for the high. Then, the drums go up a notch; few seconds later, WHOMP. The kick drum comes in. Metaphor for heavy heartbeat. Lyrics repeat "blonde" frequently, in addition to somewhat romantic lines ("and in walks an angel") suggesting a relationship with a woman. This may suggest that while tripping, the narrator is either recalling (and, in that case, possibly regretting) or is currently engaging in a romantic/sexual act. He references his mother multiple instances, hinting at guilt of what he is currently remembering or doing. The music starts getting more and more intense, with more instruments being added on (Speaking of which, DAT ARPEGGIATOR, YO.), until it finally crashes at the end of the song, hinting an energy crash or loss of consciousness.
19th Sep '15 3:34:26 PM akih08
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** It would also enable them to add to their ranks either by swaying sympathetic humans to their cause and allowing them to be willingly turned or by getting close enough to unsuspecting humans to forcibly turn them.
8th Aug '15 8:27:38 AM msq
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First, "Born Slippy" is a term used to describe someone who is paranoid, especially while under the influence. This is likely the downright best evidence for this alone. Next, the pace of the song: It starts up with a mellow chord, and relaxed, flowing lyrics, that are largely nonsense. This is a metaphor for the high. Then, the drums go up a notch; few seconds later, WHOMP. The kick drum comes in. Metaphor for heavy heartbeat. Lyrics repeat "blonde" frequently, in addition to somewhat romantic lines ("and in walks an angel") suggesting a relationship with a woman. This may suggest that while tripping, the narrator is either recalling (and, in that case, possibly regretting) or is currently engaging in a romantic/sexual act. He references his mother multiple instances, hinting at guilt of what he is currently remembering or doing. The music starts getting more and more intense, with more instruments being added on (Speaking of which, DAT ARPEGGIATOR, YO.), until it finally crashes at the end of the song, hinting an energy crash or loss of consciousness.

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First, "Born Slippy" is a term used to describe someone who is paranoid, especially while under the influence. This is likely the downright best evidence for this alone. Next, the pace of the song: It starts up with a mellow chord, and relaxed, flowing lyrics, that are largely nonsense. This is a metaphor for the high. Then, the drums go up a notch; few seconds later, WHOMP. The kick drum comes in. Metaphor for heavy heartbeat. Lyrics repeat "blonde" frequently, in addition to somewhat romantic lines ("and in walks an angel") suggesting a relationship with a woman. This may suggest that while tripping, the narrator is either recalling (and, in that case, possibly regretting) or is currently engaging in a romantic/sexual act. He references his mother multiple instances, hinting at guilt of what he is currently remembering or doing. The music starts getting more and more intense, with more instruments being added on (Speaking of which, DAT ARPEGGIATOR, YO.), until it finally crashes at the end of the song, hinting an energy crash or loss of consciousness.consciousness.

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* The Lycans managing [[spoiler:to thrive and exploit non-human prejudice among mankind to their advantage]] in ''Awakening'' make sense when one considers how, unlike Vampires, they can walk in the sunlight, control their werewolf transformations and more successully pass themselves off as regular humans [[spoiler:making it possible embed themselves into human society with none the wiser]].
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2nd May '15 12:12:35 AM Coffeehaus
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..."Born Slippy" is a song from the perspective of a druggie high on amphetamines.
First, "Born Slippy" is a term used to describe someone who is paranoid, especially while under the influence. This is likely the downright best evidence for this alone. Next, the pace of the song: It starts up with a mellow chord, and relaxed, flowing lyrics, that are largely nonsense. This is a metaphor for the high. Then, the drums go up a notch; few seconds later, WHOMP. The kick drum comes in. Metaphor for heavy heartbeat. Lyrics repeat "blonde" frequently, in addition to somewhat romantic lines ("and in walks an angel") suggesting a relationship with a woman. This may suggest that while tripping, the narrator is either recalling (and, in that case, possibly regretting) or is currently engaging in a romantic/sexual act. He references his mother multiple instances, hinting at guilt of what he is currently remembering or doing. The music starts getting more and more intense, with more instruments being added on (Speaking of which, DAT ARPEGGIATOR, YO.), until it finally crashes at the end of the song, hinting an energy crash or loss of consciousness.
16th Nov '14 3:14:26 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* In ''Underworld: Awakening'', Lida, the [[spoiler:human]] scientist at Antigen in charge of taking care of [[spoiler:Selene's daughter]], was really devoted to her well-being, more than you'd expect for a scientist working for a biotech company on ethically questionable research. It seemed to this troper that the character was sort of unrealistic, then I realized that she probably had a lot closer relationship to "Subject 2" then we are told in the film. Do you think Antigen would have kept [[spoiler:Selene]] out of cold storage for 9 months, even heavily drugged, for her pregnancy? They would have used IVF and implanted the embryo in a surrogate. Given how secret they kept the research, they would have chosen someone as a surrogate mother who already knew what the child was and could be trusted not to tell anyone. Thus, the obvious choice is one of the scientists in the research program; Lida may have actually given birth to [[spoiler:Selene's daughter]], so the reason she cares so much is that she sees "Subject 2" as her own daughter. ~NatFre

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* The nature of blood-bourne disease that creates "immortals" is somewhat contradictory:
## Selene is exposed to Michael's lycanthropy-infested body fluids, but does not become a hybrid herself, yet when she drinks the blood of Alexander Corvinus, she becomes immune to sunlight.
## William Corvinus attacked and killed numerous vampires with his claws and teeth, consuming their body fluids, but never becomes a hybrid.
## Markus Corvinus seems to gain the memories of any creature whose blood he drinks, in any amount and in any situation, yet no other character does so. Lucian bites Michael and ''implants'' his memories, but the only other case of "transmitting" memories was when Selene awakened Victor.
** It's more than Markus. Selene explains that only elders have the ability to properly arrange their memories into a coherent history. It's what she was attempting to do when she awakened Viktor, with less than perfect results, and in general, it's implied to be the way the elders manage to maintain consistent rule, despite their two hundred year bouts of hibernation. Michael's fragmented memories from Lucian are more likely a side effect of being turned rather than anything to do with blood, as seems to be the case with vampires.
*** And as for the rest, we could probably mark it down to "the Corvinus bloodline is weird and not all of the rules apply" since Markus and William are the progenitors of vampires and werewolves, respectively, and Alexander, as their father, probably shares at least some of the traits.
*** The Cleansers William killed were humans, not vampires.
** So... the only inconsistency here is Selene gaining a power boost and sunlight immunity by biting Alexander? Still weird.
* And on a separate note, from the beginning, it was stated that Vampires and Lycans are both biologically compatible, and capable of breeding. In six centuries or more, why didn't Lucien just capture a female vampire, and get her pregnant? Or, just in more recent times, use artificial insemination? Hell, if he was squicked over the idea of rape, he could have used vampire blood on a volunteer. Instant surrogate mother.
** In a non-canonical novel, it's claimed that the reason Sonya became pregnant with Lucians child is because they're both purebloods (i.e. born immortal).
** Sonja never came into full-terms with the child so we don't know if it would have survived.
* Marcus apparently gets a chance to kill all of the children he doesn't want every two centuries, with the only people close to strong enough to fight him lying in torpor. And, by vampire tradition, also completely dependent on him for reawakening.
** It's not so simple. He may be strong, but he's not indestructible. The Death Dealers were all loyal to Viktor. They managed to subdue William in his beast form. They would have had an easier time with Marcus, especially in later centuries with more advanced weapons. Also, Marcus didn't want to jeopardize his chances of finding his brother.
* By rights, the 'blood borne disease' thing that makes vampire/werewolf hybrids impossible should be lethal to both biter and bitten.
* [[spoiler:Viktor's internal Masquerade is dependent on ''very'' powerful Markus not getting cranky during his 100 year rule segments. While Viktor has taken care of the key to William's prison fairly well, that does not go for Markus deciding to shatter ''everything else''.]]
** [[spoiler:When Markus finally ''does'' go ballistic, his father Alexander barely raises an eyebrow.]]
** [[spoiler:He was likely biding his time. Viktor was the only one that had any knowledge of the key or the location of the dungeon. Remember, Lucian's escape occurs during Viktor's reign, which wiped out a significant part of the vampire population - or at least those related to the high council. Markus would have awakened two hundred years later to find himself dealing with an entirely different coven loyal to Viktor and Amelia. It wasn't until Markus became a hybrid that he was was physically powerful enough to take out the entire coven himself. Regardless of the events of the first movie, things were bound to come to a head soon. With modern technology and biological science at his disposal, Viktor would have eventually come to realize that Markus's insinuation of supernatural heritage was a deception that no longer had to be entertained.]]
26th May '14 12:34:44 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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** So... the only inconsistency here is Selene gaining a power boost and sunlight immunity by biting Alexander? Still weird.
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