History Fridge / TheSandman

7th Jul '16 2:20:48 AM Civanfan
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* In ''Calliope'' the eponymous muse inspires both of her masters to write the same sort of terrifying horror stories. Given her [[SexSlave position]], it seems unlikely that she's in the mood to inspire anything else.
20th Apr '16 6:22:03 AM TheMightyHeptagon
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**** It's also possible that Widening Gyre, not even being canon at the time it was written, has nothing to do with Sandman.

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**** It's also possible that Widening Gyre, not even being canon at the time it was written, has nothing to do with Sandman.Sandman.
* There's one particularly unsettling implication in "Men of Good Fortune" that isn't so much "horrific" as "incredibly depressing". In the course of that story, we learn that Hob Gadling managed to get fabulously wealthy at two points in his life by [[BeenThereShapedHistory getting involved in two historically important business ventures]]: the printing business in the 15th century, and the Atlantic slave trade in the 18th century. Note that he predicts that [[ItWillNeverCatchOn printing will never be a truly profitable business]] ("There'll never be a real demand for it"), and only takes it up as a trade because he's a professional soldier who needs a steady job in peacetime, and because it's a relatively new business that doesn't require guild membership. On the other hand, he's absolutely ''certain'' that shipping slaves will net him a tidy profit, and (initially) considers it one of his best ideas. In other words, TheEveryman Hob doesn't recognize the true potential of spreading and preserving literature through the printing press, but he has no trouble seeing the potential of buying and selling Africans as property. A subtle but effective HumansAreBastards message.
26th Nov '15 5:52:50 PM nombretomado
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* I always kinda wondered why [[SandmanMysteryTheatre Wesley Dodds]] would fight crime if he's an avatar of [[ComicBook/TheSandman Dream]], since he never seemed to care much about human morality. Then The Corinthian makes a brief cameo in the Phantom Of The Fair arc & it all begins to make sense. The Corinthian tends to turn the people he doesn't simply kill into {{Serial Killer}}s, which is the main sort of crime Wes fights. His true purpose is cleaning up the mess The Corinthian's been making since he escaped -- Tropers/{{biznizz}}

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* I always kinda wondered why [[SandmanMysteryTheatre [[ComicBook/SandmanMysteryTheatre Wesley Dodds]] would fight crime if he's an avatar of [[ComicBook/TheSandman Dream]], since he never seemed to care much about human morality. Then The Corinthian makes a brief cameo in the Phantom Of The Fair arc & it all begins to make sense. The Corinthian tends to turn the people he doesn't simply kill into {{Serial Killer}}s, which is the main sort of crime Wes fights. His true purpose is cleaning up the mess The Corinthian's been making since he escaped -- Tropers/{{biznizz}}
16th Nov '15 3:14:20 PM LBHills
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*** Further than this, there is another way to interpret Despair. In [[spoiler: Dream's]] funeral, she notes that she will always despair for him, and that she will never forget him, even when everybody (as in, all beings) forget him. This points that a big part of Despair's nature is remembering past pains, in a way like a witness. So in a way she ''won'' because Superman ''remembers'' the tragedy and acts as a witness for the destruction of Krypton. Despair may not necessarily be about actual desesperation, but also about memory and survivor's guilt.

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*** Further than this, there is another way to interpret Despair. In [[spoiler: Dream's]] funeral, she notes that she will always despair grieve for him, and that she will never forget him, even when everybody (as in, all beings) forget him. This points out that a big part of Despair's nature is remembering past pains, pains - a witness in a way like a witness.way. So in a way she ''won'' because Superman ''remembers'' the tragedy and acts as a witness for the destruction of Krypton. Despair may not necessarily just be about actual desesperation, abandoning hope and purpose, but also about memory and survivor's guilt.
5th Sep '15 8:44:41 PM LBHills
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* In ''Dream of a Thousand Cats'', Dream tells a cat that the universe can be changed when many beings fall asleep and have the same dream. The cat wants vengeance for it's kittens that were killed by humans and attempts to convince others to dream of a world where cats are larger than humans, rule the world, and hunt them for sport. Just more crazy rules of the dream world? No. Why the hell would many people dreaming the same thing make it true? Morpheus can force them to dream whatever he wants, and a world in which cats eat those that serve them couldn't be sustainable. He lied. He gave the cat just like Joshua Norton a goal that wouldn't really be achieved, but their dreams gave them both power, a reason to live, and perhaps joy.

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* In ''Dream of a Thousand Cats'', Dream tells a cat that the universe can be changed when many beings fall asleep and have the same dream. The cat wants vengeance for it's its kittens that were killed by humans humans, and attempts to convince others to dream of a world where cats are larger than humans, rule the world, and hunt them for sport. Just more crazy rules of the dream world? No. Why the hell would many people dreaming the same thing make it true? Morpheus can force them to dream whatever he wants, and a world in which cats eat those that serve them couldn't be sustainable. He lied. He gave the cat just like Joshua Norton a goal that wouldn't really be achieved, but their dreams gave them both power, a reason to live, and perhaps joy.
5th Sep '15 8:43:51 PM LBHills
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* In ''Calliope'', Ric Madoc buys the eponymous muse from Erasmus Fry for the price of a bezoar, a magical...thingie that is generated in something's digestive system. It's most famous property is the ability to remedy poison effects. Erasmus says he'll put this new one with the rest of them, implying that he has several. Years later, Ric finds out that Erasmus died last summer by poisoning himself. That could mean a lot of things.

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* In ''Calliope'', Ric Madoc buys the eponymous muse from Erasmus Fry for the price of a bezoar, a magical...thingie that is generated in something's digestive system. It's Its most famous property is the ability to remedy poison effects. Erasmus says he'll put this new one with the rest of them, implying that he has several. Years later, Ric finds out that Erasmus died last summer by poisoning himself. That could mean a lot of things.
28th Jul '15 6:55:00 PM Elan
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* In her very first appearance, Death perfectly described what is wrong with Dream...by telling him about MaryPoppins.
-->'''Death:''' There's this guy who's ''utterly'' a banker, and he doesn't have time for his family, or for living or anything. And Mary Poppins comes down from the clouds and she shows him what's important.
** And keep in mind that Death is something of a ManicPixieDreamGirl, that she often carries an umbrella, and that she spends the rest of that issue taking Dream along with her as she collects souls, which helps him out of his ennui and kickstarts his CharacterDevelopment.
15th Jun '15 8:07:21 PM Canondorf
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*** Maybe not. Funland's dream is based on the final scene in Oscar Wilde's "The Selfish Giant," in which the children lead the Giant away to play in the gardens "which are Paradise," a.k.a. Heaven, i.e. the Giant is now dead. The later appearance in ''The Widening Gyre'' may be a retcon, or it may be that the Batman writers also interpreted the scene to mean that Funland was only sleeping.

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*** Maybe not. Funland's dream is based on the final scene in Oscar Wilde's "The Selfish Giant," in which the children lead the Giant away to play in the gardens "which are Paradise," a.k.a. Heaven, i.e. the Giant is now dead. The later appearance in ''The Widening Gyre'' may be a retcon, or it may be that the Batman writers also interpreted the scene to mean that Funland was only sleeping.sleeping.
**** It's also possible that Widening Gyre, not even being canon at the time it was written, has nothing to do with Sandman.
7th Jun '15 1:39:38 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Meh. It assumes that her culture had the same nudity taboo and sexual attitudes as ours, which is... unlikely.
** I would be more concerned about how confusing and scary this might have been for those ''living things'', who aren't attracted to women (heterosexual women, asexuals, gay men etc), or humans (the almost the whole animal kingdom, and even some humans), or don't even have a concept of lovemaking for one reason or another (children because they are too young, plants, non-sexually reproducing animals). Heck even for a perfectly heterosexual guy this (bordering on erotic) dream about a stranger could be utterly confusing. Morpheus mentally scarred generations of the living.
*** We'd be in a sorry state if nightmares scarred us that badly. Most dreamers would wake up not remembering it, or only scraps, and for those for whom making love to a woman has actual meaning and is distrubing... it's just a dream.
6th Jun '15 11:45:29 AM Biggles
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*** We'd be in a sorry state if nightmares scarred us that badly. Most dreamers would wake up not remembering it, or only scraps, and for those for whom making love to a woman has actual meaning and is distrubing... it's just a dream.
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