History Fridge / ThePrincessAndTheFrog

31st Jan '18 6:09:43 PM Jobyrdthegamerbyrd
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*** And frogs, don't forget frogs!
** This Troper's favorite mythology gag ever actually comes from this movie. Upon [[spoiler: Ray's death, he turns into a star alongside Evangeline.]] Now, where else [[Disney/TheLionKing did that happen]]... listed under Fridge Brilliance because it took most of this Troper's friends a while to get it.

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*** And frogs, don't forget frogs!
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** This Troper's favorite mythology gag ever actually comes from this movie. Upon [[spoiler: Ray's death, he turns into a star alongside Evangeline.]] Now, where else [[Disney/TheLionKing did that happen]]... listed wasn't there a theory made by another Disney character based on this?]] Listed under Fridge Brilliance because it took most of this Troper's friends a while to get it.
24th Jan '18 12:49:57 AM OrangenChan
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** Facilier's plan is to turn Lawrence - Naveen's fat, middle-aged, balding, spineless servant - into a copy of the prince and make him essentially marry Charlotte so he can kill her father and swindle her out of her fortune. Now keep in mind that the only times when Lawrence shows any hesitation with this plan is when he thinks it's not going to work and he wants to chicken out. Meaning that he's perfectly happy to go along with tricking a young, pretty, very naive woman into marrying him. And now keep in mind that the spell keeping Lawrence looking like the hot, young Naveen only lasts as long as there is Naveen's blood in the amulet. This sets up for two scenarios. The first is that Naveen is recaptured and locked up, essentially condemned to a lifetime of having blood drawn from him and being forced to watch his servant steal his life. The second is that without Naveen's blood, sometime after the wedding, Lawrence will turn back into his much older self, in short meaning that poor Lottie will be stuck married to a strange dude.
*** Or they'll sacrifice her to Facilier's "friends". Charlotte will be lucky to live out the year.
** The end has a nice happy ending... until you realize that it takes place with Prohibition and the Great Depression right around the corner, and most places like Tiana's had to close. In about ten years she'll likely end up right where she started - poor and working like a dog to make ends meet.
*** Not to mention that in real life, her restaurant would probably end up vandalized and boycotted until it went out of business. That's why it's probably for the best to assume that Disney movies take place in an alternate world.
*** Yes... like say an alternate world where her restaurant has the financial and political support of town patriarch Big Daddy Le Bouff, overseas royalty, and, oh yeah, a big freakin' trumpet playing alligator who makes it clear he'll eat anyone who messes with her. You can't assume {{Disneyfication}} stops at the end of the film.
*** New Orleans hosts several restaurants that are over a century old. If a dozen other restaurants survived two world wars, the great depression and Hurricane Katrina why couldn't hers?
*** Are people forgetting that Tiana becomes a - I dunno- ''princess'' at the end of the movie? Worst comes to worst she can always hop on a boat to Maldonia and call it a day.

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** * Facilier's plan is to turn Lawrence - Naveen's fat, middle-aged, balding, spineless servant - into a copy of the prince and make him essentially marry Charlotte so he can kill her father and swindle her out of her fortune. Now keep in mind that the only times when Lawrence shows any hesitation with this plan is when he thinks it's not going to work and he wants to chicken out. Meaning that he's perfectly happy to go along with tricking a young, pretty, very naive woman into marrying him. And now keep in mind that the spell keeping Lawrence looking like the hot, young Naveen only lasts as long as there is Naveen's blood in the amulet. This sets up for two scenarios. The first is that Naveen is recaptured and locked up, essentially condemned to a lifetime of having blood drawn from him and being forced to watch his servant steal his life. The second is that without Naveen's blood, sometime after the wedding, Lawrence will turn back into his much older self, in short meaning that poor Lottie will be stuck married to a strange dude.
*** ** Or they'll sacrifice her to Facilier's "friends". Charlotte will be lucky to live out the year.
** * The end has a nice happy ending... until you realize that it takes place with Prohibition and the Great Depression right around the corner, and most places like Tiana's had to close. In about ten years she'll likely end up right where she started - poor and working like a dog to make ends meet.
*** ** Not to mention that in real life, her restaurant would probably end up vandalized and boycotted until it went out of business. That's why it's probably for the best to assume that Disney movies take place in an alternate world.
*** ** Yes... like say an alternate world where her restaurant has the financial and political support of town patriarch Big Daddy Le Bouff, overseas royalty, and, oh yeah, a big freakin' trumpet playing alligator who makes it clear he'll eat anyone who messes with her. You can't assume {{Disneyfication}} stops at the end of the film.
*** ** New Orleans hosts several restaurants that are over a century old. If a dozen other restaurants survived two world wars, the great depression and Hurricane Katrina why couldn't hers?
*** ** Are people forgetting that Tiana becomes a - I dunno- ''princess'' at the end of the movie? Worst comes to worst she can always hop on a boat to Maldonia and call it a day.
18th Jan '18 10:42:09 AM DrNoPuma
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* "Friends on the Other Side" goes through a few pretty drastic tone shifts. It starts out catchy and showmanish, then turns soft and mystical, then becomes loud and terrifying. Compare this to "Dig a Little Deeper", which mostly keeps its uplifting tone throughout. This can be seen as a metaphor for how Facilier is a manipulative liar, while Mama Odie is honest and pure-hearted.
8th Jan '18 4:10:07 PM CyberXIII
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7th Dec '17 7:19:25 AM Aesmerda
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** When first starting up "Friends on the Other Side", Facilier takes Naveen and Lawrence's hats and tosses them away. Where they land indicates his intentions for both of them: Naveen's lands on a painted human skull (indicating how Facilier needs Naveen's blood to keep the transformation charm working), while Lawrence's lands on a voodoo doll (indicating how Dr Facilier intends to make Lawrence his "puppet" to gain control of New Orleans).



** [[spoiler: The breaking of the curse on Tiana and Naveen is proven to have been a solution that essentially Naveen was carrying around with himself the entire time - if he marries ''anyone'', that person becomes a "princess" and would be able to turn him back. Lest we forget, though, it's marriage that Naveen is so desperately afraid of! And not only that, but Facilier instantly figured that out about him, and so he gave Naveen the key to his own problem, knowing that the spoiled prince would never be able to go through with it.]]

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** * [[spoiler: The breaking of the curse on Tiana and Naveen is proven to have been a solution that essentially Naveen was carrying around with himself the entire time - if he marries ''anyone'', that person becomes a "princess" and would be able to turn him back. Lest we forget, though, it's marriage that Naveen is so desperately afraid of! And not only that, but Facilier instantly figured that out about him, and so he gave Naveen the key to his own problem, knowing that the spoiled prince would never be able to go through with it.]]



** Additionally, [[spoiler: "And when I look into your future it's the green that I see" could not only refer to frog!Naveen, but to Tiana, who is wearing a green dress after she and Naveen are turned human again.]]

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** *** Additionally, [[spoiler: "And when I look into your future it's the green that I see" could not only refer to frog!Naveen, but to Tiana, who is wearing a green dress after she and Naveen are turned human again.]]



** Not to mention [[spoiler: "But in your future, the you that I see is exactly the man you always wanted to be." This could allude to the way Laurence always wanted to be like Prince Naveen -- handsome and swooned over, able to do whatever he wanted and with lots of money and influence -- and his role in Dr. Facilier's plan to take Naveen's image and his place during his wedding to Charlotte.]]
** Facilier also mentions [[spoiler: that Lawrence has been pushed around all his life, and will be pushed around in the future too. Lawrence becomes Facilier's sap, pushing him around to achieve his own goals, since he can't conjure anything for himself.]]

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** *** Not to mention [[spoiler: "But in your future, the you that I see is exactly the man you always wanted to be." This could allude to the way Laurence always wanted to be like Prince Naveen -- handsome and swooned over, able to do whatever he wanted and with lots of money and influence -- and his role in Dr. Facilier's plan to take Naveen's image and his place during his wedding to Charlotte.]]
** Facilier also mentions [[spoiler: that Lawrence has been pushed around all his life, and will be pushed around in the future too. Lawrence becomes Facilier's sap, pushing him around to achieve his own goals, since he can't conjure anything for himself.]]



** Tiana and Facilier as motifs for racism: both are black and disadvantaged people living in 1920's New Orleans. Facilier's eaten up by jealousy and spite. You really think he was talking about Lawrence when he mentioned the "fat cats" in their cars? Tiana is best friends with a [[SpoiledSweet rich and spoiled]] white girl, yet we never see any indication that she resents the difference in their stations. By the end, [[spoiler: Tiana [[EarnYourHappyEnding gets her happy ending through perseverance and doing what's right]], while Facilier [[LaserGuidedKarma gets devoured by the dark powers that he sold his soul to in his attempts to get to the top]].]] {{Anvilicious}}? Maybe, but SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.

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** * Tiana and Facilier as motifs for racism: both are black and disadvantaged people living in 1920's New Orleans. Facilier's eaten up by jealousy and spite. You really think he was talking about Lawrence when he mentioned the "fat cats" in their cars? Tiana is best friends with a [[SpoiledSweet rich and spoiled]] white girl, yet we never see any indication that she resents the difference in their stations. By the end, [[spoiler: Tiana [[EarnYourHappyEnding gets her happy ending through perseverance and doing what's right]], while Facilier [[LaserGuidedKarma gets devoured by the dark powers that he sold his soul to in his attempts to get to the top]].]] {{Anvilicious}}? Maybe, but SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.



*** Speaking of fridge brilliance and the Evening Star, though I'm not quite sure if this was intentional, I just realized that [[spoiler: The Evening Star is not really a star, but the planet Venus. Ray is in love with the planet named after the goddess of love]].



*** and frogs, don't forget frogs!

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*** and And frogs, don't forget frogs!



*** That's exactly what this troper thought!
*** Evangeline was the Wishing Star from ''Pinocchio''. Ray became the Second Star To The Right. The same two stars can be seen side-by-side in PeterPan and it's sequel.

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*** That's exactly what this troper thought!
*** Evangeline was the Wishing Star from ''Pinocchio''. Ray became the Second Star To The Right. The same two stars can be seen side-by-side in PeterPan and it's its sequel.



** There's also Naveen's dialogue during his first "mincing lesson", in which he describes himself as completely helpless outside his cocoon of wealth and privilege. As a younger son who won't inherit the throne (he wouldn't have been disowned if he were crown prince), Naveen has grown up feeling useless and unnecessary. The revelation that he's a worthwhile person with a real contribution to make is the greatest gift Tiana gives him.
*** Um, he's the older son. His brother is six.
*** Doesn't mean that Naveen isn't a middle child, with a brother or sister older than he is.



** When I saw the two [[DoubleEntendre asshole realtors]] in the donkey suit, I thought it was rather odd to wear a Donkey costume to a masquerade. Then it hit me! They're wearing the symbol of the Democratic party! Before the presidency of [[UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt FDR]], the Democratic Party was essentially ruled by conservatives in all issues including race relations; after his presidency, the Democrats did a HeelFaceTurn on that issue. Essentially, they represented both personal and political racism without at all being {{Anvilicious}}. RhymeBeat
*** Or they're just [[DontExplainTheJoke jackasses.]]
*** Again, a research failure. All those '60s civil rights laws wouldn't have had a prayer of passing without Republican support. Democrats were actually the ones putting all those legislative hurdles between the bills and their passing, with the party itself split along regional lines (South, not-South).
** Early on, Tiana tells Charlotte the way to a man's heart is through his stomach and Charlotte uses Tiana's food to try to seduce Naveen. Not only is Tiana the one who ends up with Naveen, but one of the scenes showing Naveen and Tiana starting to fall in love is her teaching him to work with food. And to top it off, when Naveen attempts to propose, he brings Tiana a ton of food.
** In the "When We're Human" sequence, Naveen says that he's got a redhead and a brunette in each arm, and the blondes surrounding him just "hold the candles". He then [[spoiler: ends up with Tiana (a ''brunette'') because Charlotte (a ''blonde'') held up a candle for their relationship while disregarding her childhood dream]].
*** Does that mean the only redhead of the film, Big Daddy, is in Naveen's arms? Brain Bleach, please.

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* Naveen's dialogue during his first "mincing lesson", in which he describes himself as completely helpless outside his cocoon of wealth and privilege. As a younger son who won't inherit the throne (he wouldn't have been disowned if he were crown prince), Naveen has grown up feeling useless and unnecessary. The revelation that he's a worthwhile person with a real contribution to make is the greatest gift Tiana gives him.
** Um, he's the older son. His brother is six.
** Doesn't mean that Naveen isn't a middle child, with a brother or sister older than he is.
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When I saw the two [[DoubleEntendre asshole realtors]] in the donkey suit, I thought it was rather odd to wear a Donkey costume to a masquerade. Then it hit me! They're wearing the symbol of the Democratic party! Before the presidency of [[UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt FDR]], the Democratic Party was essentially ruled by conservatives in all issues including race relations; after his presidency, the Democrats did a HeelFaceTurn on that issue. Essentially, they represented both personal and political racism without at all being {{Anvilicious}}. RhymeBeat
*** ** Or they're just [[DontExplainTheJoke jackasses.]]
*** ** Again, a research failure. All those '60s civil rights laws wouldn't have had a prayer of passing without Republican support. Democrats were actually the ones putting all those legislative hurdles between the bills and their passing, with the party itself split along regional lines (South, not-South).
** * Early on, Tiana tells Charlotte the way to a man's heart is through his stomach and Charlotte uses Tiana's food to try to seduce Naveen. Not only is Tiana the one who ends up with Naveen, but one of the scenes showing Naveen and Tiana starting to fall in love is her teaching him to work with food. And to top it off, when Naveen attempts to propose, he brings Tiana a ton of food.
** * In the "When We're Human" sequence, Naveen says that he's got a redhead and a brunette in each arm, and the blondes surrounding him just "hold the candles". He then [[spoiler: ends up with Tiana (a ''brunette'') because Charlotte (a ''blonde'') held up a candle for their relationship while disregarding her childhood dream]].
*** ** Does that mean the only redhead of the film, Big Daddy, is in Naveen's arms? Brain Bleach, please.



** I noticed that the reason they showed Steamboat Willie at the start of the film was because, hey, the film takes place when Steamboat Willie was created, and when the Disney company was founded.
*** That's actually just the logo for Walt Disney Animation Studios; it first appeared at the beginning of ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'', I think.

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** * I noticed that the reason they showed Steamboat Willie at the start of the film was because, hey, the film takes place when Steamboat Willie was created, and when the Disney company was founded.
*** ** That's actually just the logo for Walt Disney Animation Studios; it first appeared at the beginning of ''Disney/MeetTheRobinsons'', I think.
29th Oct '17 9:29:51 AM papyru30
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** According to WordOfGod Facilier is of Creole decent so his mother is likely descended from European royalty.
20th Oct '17 11:36:03 PM Lanes17B
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*** Sugarcane is the main ingredient for the distillation of rum.
16th Oct '17 3:13:14 PM villainouscrush
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*** Also, pretending to be someone else and then having sex with someone? Is kind of ''rape''.
*** Not even "kind of". It ''is'' rape. Charlotte has no way of consenting to have sex with Lawrence because she has no idea of what she'd be consenting ''to''. And sex without consent is rape. So. Fridge Horror indeed.
16th Oct '17 3:07:55 PM villainouscrush
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** In the "When We're Human" sequence, Naveen says that he's got a redhead and a brunette in each arm, and the blondes surrounding him just "hold the candles". He then [[spoiler: ends up with Tiana (a ''brunette'') because Charlotte (a ''blonde'') held up a candle for their relationship while disregarding her childhood dream]]. --@/{{MiraShio}}

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** In the "When We're Human" sequence, Naveen says that he's got a redhead and a brunette in each arm, and the blondes surrounding him just "hold the candles". He then [[spoiler: ends up with Tiana (a ''brunette'') because Charlotte (a ''blonde'') held up a candle for their relationship while disregarding her childhood dream]]. --@/{{MiraShio}}
16th Oct '17 3:06:38 PM villainouscrush
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** It just hit me that the whole idea of Wishing and Working isn't all that new in Disney Canon after all. In [[Disney/{{Pinocchio}} the original star wishing story]], Gepetto wishes on a star that Pinnochio could be a real boy. Yet that Blue fairy only takes that PART of the way by bringing him to life instead of making him a real boy. Then, Pinnochio has to go on a long journey to learn what it means to be a real boy, and only after his HeroicSacrifice does Gepetto's wish finally come true. And who said that this was a refute of that old Disney tradition? You always had to work after that star "takes you part of the way". -[[User/EricW EricW]]

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** It just hit me that the whole idea of Wishing and Working isn't all that new in Disney Canon after all. In [[Disney/{{Pinocchio}} the original star wishing story]], Gepetto wishes on a star that Pinnochio could be a real boy. Yet that Blue fairy only takes that PART of the way by bringing him to life instead of making him a real boy. Then, Pinnochio has to go on a long journey to learn what it means to be a real boy, and only after his HeroicSacrifice does Gepetto's wish finally come true. And who said that this was a refute of that old Disney tradition? You always had to work after that star "takes you part of the way". -[[User/EricW EricW]]
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