History Fridge / TheOrderOfTheStick

4th May '16 2:16:08 PM MrDeath
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* In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1035.html this]] strip, Lian gives O-Chul her Ring of Water Breathing so they can escape the stranger attacking them. It seems like they are just gonna keep swapping the ring to breathe underwater indefinitely, or at least until the stranger is gone. However, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1031.html earlier]] Lian says that that ring is what keeps her from freezing. [[OhCrap Crap.]]

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* In [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1035.html this]] strip, Lian gives O-Chul her Ring of Water Breathing so they can escape the stranger attacking them. It seems like they are just gonna keep swapping the ring to breathe underwater indefinitely, or at least until the stranger is gone. However, [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1031.html earlier]] Lian says that that ring is what keeps her from freezing. [[OhCrap Crap.]]
4th May '16 1:07:56 PM Blastgamer
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* In [[this http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1035.html]] stirp, Lian gives O-Chul her Ring of Water Breathing so they can escape the stranger attacking them. It seems like they are just gonna keep swaping the ring to breathe underwater indefinitely, or at least until the stranger is gone. However, [[earlier http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1031.html]] Lian says that that ring is what keeps her from freezing. [[OhCrap Crap.]]

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* In [[this http://www.[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1035.html]] stirp, html this]] strip, Lian gives O-Chul her Ring of Water Breathing so they can escape the stranger attacking them. It seems like they are just gonna keep swaping swapping the ring to breathe underwater indefinitely, or at least until the stranger is gone. However, [[earlier http://www.[[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1031.html]] html earlier]] Lian says that that ring is what keeps her from freezing. [[OhCrap Crap.]]
4th May '16 1:07:10 PM Blastgamer
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* In [[this http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1035.html]] stirp, Lian gives O-Chul her Ring of Water Breathing so they can escape the stranger attacking them. It seems like they are just gonna keep swaping the ring to breathe underwater indefinitely, or at least until the stranger is gone. However, [[earlier http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1031.html]] Lian says that that ring is what keeps her from freezing. [[OhCrap Crap.]]
5th Apr '16 2:39:09 PM phantomreader42
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* If you take a look back at [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0382.html the scene]] with fragments of Haley's mind arguing, each of them is right, and each of them is also wrong:
** Self-loathing is the OnlySaneMan, realizing that something is definitely wrong with Elan (he's been replaced by Nale), but doesn't actually figure out ''what'' is wrong despite knowing Elan has an EvilTwin. Also, she advises skipping the date, which sounds like a reasonable course of action but would have delayed Haley's recovery.
** Vanity is ComicallyMissingThePoint and focusing on preparing for the date, which is a stupid but ultimately helpful move.
** It's rightly pointed out that Self-Loathing doesn't want Haley to be happy (because that's what "self-loathing" MEANS, and true happiness would presumably lead to CriticalExistenceFailure for that particular part of Haley's psyche), but that doesn't invalidate her point about the suspiciousness of the situation.
** The one that's probably Haley's InnerChild is correct that the PodPerson idea is insane and correct about Elan's increased confidence, but dismisses valid concerns and ignores the existence of a known EvilTwin.
** Haley's [[BiTheWay Latent Bisexuality]] is correct that the dress looks hot, but that's not important now.
** Haley's Mistrust doesn't trust Self-Loathing [[RightForTheWrongReasons because she doesn't trust ANYONE]]. So she's probably equally suspicious of Elan/Nale but doesn't express it because she doesn't even trust other parts of her own mind (which shows how badly paranoia can screw up your life and foreshadows Haley's father a bit).
** Haley's [[TheSmartGuy Intellect]] is correct that Elan seems smarter, and comes up with an explanation for it that's incorrect but [[RPGMechanicsVerse reasonable given the setting]]. And it turns out that the real Elan has become, if not necessarily more ''intelligent'', more competent and skilled in his absence.
** Haley eventually tells her Self-Loathing to shut up and goes ahead with the date, knowing there's a risk but thinking it's her only chance to be truly happy with Elan. This leads to her almost being killed by Nale, but also allows her to be honest about her true feelings, regain her confidence, and gets their relationship started off right when the real Elan comes back.
4th Apr '16 2:25:40 PM phantomreader42
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** Also an [[InvertedeTrope Inversion]] of AllGirlsWantBadBoys; since Sabine is [[HornyDevils A Succubus]], bad boys aren't anything new for her, '''good''' boys are the ForbiddenFruit from her perspective.



** His argument was not necessarily that he himself is LawfulNeutral, but that a [[EverybodyHatesHades god of death]] is not necessarily a GodOfEvil and more likely to be LawfulNeutral. Malack was talking about the alignment of his god Nergal, not himself. It's entirely possible within the rules for a LawfulNeutral god to have LawfulEvil worshippers or clerics. And manipulating the perceptions of others while avoiding technically lying by use of ExactWords is a fitting act for a LawfulEvil villain.



* Tarquin [[ItsAllAboutMe thinks]] that he's the BigBad and TheLeader of his team. He's not; his role is to be the GenreSavvy party member who keeps the other members of his team from grabbing the VillainBall. In other words, he has the same role on his team that his son Elan does in the Order, and is making the same mistake when he thinks that the two of them are the main villain and hero, respectively.

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* Tarquin [[ItsAllAboutMe thinks]] that he's the BigBad and TheLeader of his team. He's not; his role is to be the GenreSavvy party member who keeps the other members of his team from grabbing the VillainBall. In other words, [[NotSoDifferent he has the same role on his team that his son Elan does in the Order, Order]], and is making the same mistake when he thinks that the two of them are the main villain and hero, respectively.



* Vaarsuvius is [[InsistentTerminology very insistent]] that shi did not [[DealWithTheDevil sell hir soul to fiends]], but that it was "a fixed-term lease with an occupancy date yet to be determined". Turns out that description was even more accurate than V knew. Except that it's three separate fixed-term leases, with two of the options still available to be exercised in the future.

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* Vaarsuvius is [[InsistentTerminology very insistent]] that shi did not [[DealWithTheDevil sell hir soul to fiends]], but that it was "a "[[NoExceptYes a fixed-term lease with an occupancy date yet to be determined".determined]]". Turns out that description was even more accurate than V knew. Except that it's three separate fixed-term leases, with two of the options still available to be exercised in the future.




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* When Blackwing is looking for something to use to fight off the vampire stealing their shiny orb, all that's available is a scroll of Locate Creature, which is completely useless for their purposes (luckily Blackwing can exploit that by making a deliberate misfire). But why did V have a scroll of Locate Creature in the first place (since [[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman it's a spell that's not useful in many situations]])? Because V spent a LOT of time researching divination spells looking for Haley, Belkar, and Roy. It's no surprise there are spare divination scrolls left over.



** Or he could have been another '''bad'''-guy equivalent of Tarquin, and probably a more effective one than Nale.



* The arc with [[spoiler:the mother black dragon seeking vengeance on Vaarsuvius]] was [[AscendedFridgeHorror inspired by a moment]] of FridgeHorror that creator Rich Burlew had when he noticed that of all of the races in D&D, [[spoiler:dragons]] are the only ones with character stats for every stage of their lives, including childhood, and therefore the only race whose children the game effectively condoned killing.

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* The arc with [[spoiler:the mother black dragon seeking vengeance on Vaarsuvius]] was [[AscendedFridgeHorror inspired by a moment]] of FridgeHorror that creator Rich Burlew had when he noticed that of all of the races in D&D, [[spoiler:dragons]] are the only ones with character stats for every stage of their lives, including childhood, and therefore the only race whose [[WouldHurtAChild children the game effectively condoned killing.killing]].
16th Mar '16 2:25:30 PM ReaderAt2046
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** Except that, as someone on the forums pointed out, Tarquin didn't ''have'' to choose to be a villain, even on his own terms. He could just as easily have become the charismatic leader who unites the war-torn realm and ushers in an age of peace and prosperity. That's just as valid a storyline and narrative role as the one he chose to invoke, and Tarquin has to know this. He became a villain because he wanted to be a villain, not because he had to be one.
15th Mar '16 10:03:16 AM ultramarine4life
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*For a person who's apparently aware on some level how their world follows the rules of Dungeons and Dragons Tarquin doesn't seem to possess a very good build. Assuming he's a fighter (possibly with some multiclassing) he's spent feats on being able to catch arrows, grapple with opponents, throw them, use improvised weapons, and be proficient with a whip. Then when you consider he has a high enough Will save to resist enchantments, illusions, despite being a fighter (who have the worst will saves) he more than likely had to spend feats on things like iron will. He also has a tendency to use a variety of different weapons (daggers, axes, aforementioned whip, Roy's greatsword) which isn't really the best idea since it lessens the usefulness of feats such as weapon focus, weapon specialization, or improved critical. All of this adds up to a fighting style that is flashy, and definitely looks cool to the readers, but is ultimately ineffective...which is the point. Tarquin ultimately doesn't care if he wins or loses so long as it ends with a story that makes him look like a cool memorable villain. As a result focusing his entire build on visually appealing techniques with little mechanical effectiveness suits him perfectly.
1st Mar '16 9:22:54 PM Kalaong
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** Reflecting on it, there's a second layer of Fridge Brilliance here that would make Girard's ghost explode with rage -- ''Soon Kim won their argument.'' Everything Girard did to secure his Gate only slowed down the heroes but wouldn't have delayed Team Evil much at all (fortunately for the Order, Redcloak [[NiceJobFixingItVillain did that instead]]). On the other hand, Soon's method of defending the Gate required pretty much every resource Team Evil could muster and still took an entire plot arc to fall. It would have been entirely successful, too, if not for a certain [[SpannerInTheWorks delusional ex-paladin]].

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** Reflecting on it, there's a second layer of Fridge Brilliance here that would make Girard's ghost explode with rage -- ''Soon Kim won their argument.'' Everything Girard did to secure his Gate only slowed down the heroes but wouldn't have delayed Team Evil much at all (fortunately for the Order, Redcloak [[NiceJobFixingItVillain did that instead]]). On the other hand, The assault on Soon's method of defending the Gate required required pretty much every resource Team Evil could muster - every single goblinoid on the ''continent'' {{Zerg Rush}}ing it with the aid of the two greatest spellcasters in the '''world''' - and it still took an entire plot arc of bloody, PyrrhicVillainy(''mountains'' of goblin corpses '''everywhere''' while the majority of the human population escaped unscathed) to fall. It breach the defenses... and it would have been entirely successful, too, if not for a certain [[SpannerInTheWorks delusional ex-paladin]].ex-paladin]]. In comparison, Xykon shattered the defenses of two other gates like ''potato chips''; Lirian's went down to an accidental forest fire, Dorukan's were overcome in direct magical combat.
25th Feb '16 5:24:45 PM Discar
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* Likewise why Roy initially found Miko so attractive. As a paladin she likely has a good Charisma score, which is generally a combination of force of personality, interpersonal skills, charm, and general physical attractiveness. Miko has a strong force of personality but the charm and interpersonal skills of a wolverine, so to keep with her Charisma score she'd have to be quite attractive.
** Not all Paladins have high Charisma scores (though they definitely benefit from them. Miko also used to be a Monk, [[TierInducedScrappy a demanding class dependent on high ability scores across the board to function]]. She'd have even more need for Charisma than a typical Paladin.

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* Likewise why Roy initially found Miko so attractive. As a paladin she likely has a good Charisma score, which is generally a combination of force of personality, interpersonal skills, charm, and general physical attractiveness. Miko has a strong force of personality but the charm and interpersonal skills of a wolverine, so to keep with her Charisma score she'd have to be quite attractive.
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attractive. Not all Paladins have high Charisma scores (though they definitely benefit from them. them), but Miko also used to be a Monk, [[TierInducedScrappy a demanding class dependent on high ability scores across the board to function]]. She'd have even more need for Charisma than a typical Paladin.



** But he's correct in that [[EverybodyHatesHades a god of death is not necessarily evil]]. DungeonsAndDragons rulebooks feature multiple gods of death, with different alignments, and one of them IS Lawful Neutral (but perfectly willing to accept LawfulGood or LawfulEvil worshipers). So it's within the rules for Malack to be a Lawful Evil cleric of a Lawful Neutral god.



*** But resisting illusions is based on Will saves, which depends on the Wisdom score and the save bonus from the class (which is good in the case of Bards). Elan's DumpStat is ''Intelligence'', not Wisdom. Wisdom is '''Belkar's''' DumpStat.



* V's kids talking of hir as "Other Parent" and of Inkyrius as "Parent"? Oh, sure, it's a hilarious gag to keep V's gender hidden. But they're speaking Elvish. Given how ambiguous elvish gender is in general, what if Elvish simply does not have gender-specific words for parents?
** It also points up how severely [[ParentalAbandonment V has abandoned hir family]]

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* V's kids talking of hir as "Other Parent" and of Inkyrius as "Parent"? Oh, sure, it's a hilarious gag to keep V's gender hidden. But they're speaking Elvish. Given how ambiguous elvish gender is in general, what if Elvish simply does not have gender-specific words for parents?
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parents? It also points up how severely [[ParentalAbandonment V has abandoned hir family]]



* Elan casts an illusion spell to make it look like there's a half-orc (Thog's species) girl, which distracts Thog, because he thinks that the girl is pretty. In spite of this, Thog flat-out ignores Haley. Why would Thog find a half-orc girl pretty, but not a human girl, who is pretty attractive? Imagine if you saw a half-orc - you would find them ugly. So, it's only natural that a half-orc would find a human ugly.
** Except there is enough half breed in this world and Therkla's parents shows that it is consensual to make a point that it's just Thog who specifically does not consider human's female pretty.



** And the reason praying to Thor to stop the storm makes sense is because Thor is a god of storms. Hel is an entirely different goddess with no particular power over weather.
25th Feb '16 5:22:28 PM Discar
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** The real kicker - this is by DESIGN. Orcs are among the cannon-fodder species the Gods created to let adventurers level up to function as safeguards against the Snarl. By divine standards, massacring those Orcs wouldnt even have been wrong.
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