History Fridge / TheOrderOfTheStick

23rd Jul '16 9:35:36 AM DannWoolf
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* if you think about it, had on [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0137.html this page]] elan managed to get banjo raised to godhood then [[spoiler: banjo could have broken the tie as elan suggested on [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1027.html this page]] and they wouldn have to race to stop Durkon.]]
7th Jul '16 5:32:48 PM VajraYaksa
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** How does he knows that? Elan mentions his mothers' [[spoiler:collection of Julio's pictures]]. Do you see his expressions? He knows.
24th Jun '16 8:22:46 PM Discar
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* Elan's seduction of Sabine: Remember that she probably sleeps with Nale very often. Elan and Nale are twins. That's probably the reason why he managed to seduce her so easily.
** Also an [[InvertedeTrope Inversion]] of AllGirlsWantBadBoys; since Sabine is [[HornyDevils A Succubus]], bad boys aren't anything new for her, '''good''' boys are the ForbiddenFruit from her perspective.

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* Elan's seduction of Sabine: Remember that she probably sleeps with Nale very often. Elan and Nale are twins. That's probably the reason why he managed to seduce her so easily.
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easily. Also an [[InvertedeTrope [[InvertedTrope Inversion]] of AllGirlsWantBadBoys; since Sabine is [[HornyDevils A Succubus]], bad boys aren't anything new for her, '''good''' boys are the ForbiddenFruit from her perspective.



** His argument was not necessarily that he himself is LawfulNeutral, but that a [[EverybodyHatesHades god of death]] is not necessarily a GodOfEvil and more likely to be LawfulNeutral. Malack was talking about the alignment of his god Nergal, not himself. It's entirely possible within the rules for a LawfulNeutral god to have LawfulEvil worshippers or clerics. And manipulating the perceptions of others while avoiding technically lying by use of ExactWords is a fitting act for a LawfulEvil villain.



* Nale's overly-complicated multiclass setup is a joke that works on two levels. On the surface, it just goes along with his love for complexity. But as explained by someone who understands ''D&D'' better than I do -- his skillsets mean he's essentially ''a glorified bard.''
** Also, the reason he has to use that complicated setup is because he's LawfulEvil, and Bards are not allowed to be Lawful.

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* Nale's overly-complicated multiclass setup is a joke that works on two levels. On the surface, it just goes along with his love for complexity. But as explained by someone who understands ''D&D'' better than I do -- his skillsets mean he's essentially ''a glorified bard.''
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'' Also, the reason he has to use that complicated setup is because he's LawfulEvil, and Bards are not allowed to be Lawful.



* Many in the audience wondered how Tarquin could consider himself to be AboveGoodAndEvil despite being a CardCarryingVillain. But he considers villains to always be necessary for a story to exist. Combine his being TheSociopath with being DangerouslyGenreSavvy, and it becomes clear that he operates on BlueAndOrangeMorality. He considers the structure of a story more important than who that structure affects.
** Except that, as someone on the forums pointed out, Tarquin didn't ''have'' to choose to be a villain, even on his own terms. He could just as easily have become the charismatic leader who unites the war-torn realm and ushers in an age of peace and prosperity. That's just as valid a storyline and narrative role as the one he chose to invoke, and Tarquin has to know this. He became a villain because he wanted to be a villain, not because he had to be one.



* Think about all the stupid things Elan has done and how much trouble they have caused. Now look at the explanation for why he is so dumb in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0050.html this comic]]. Nale caused Elan to be the way he is. Assume that Elan would have high intelligence like both of his parents had Nale not prevented it. We already know Elan has high charisma. We can assume he also has high wisdom, from his [[GenreSavvy genre savviness]] and his [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0670.html practical use of it]] while going against his bardic sensibilities to avert the RuleOfDrama. His strength and dexterity, while [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0390.html not as high as his charisma]], are probably in the 12-13 range. His constitution can't be too bad on account of his not dying yet. So if not for Nale, Elan would have been the good-guy equivalent of Tarquin.
** Or he could have been another '''bad'''-guy equivalent of Tarquin, and probably a more effective one than Nale.
24th Jun '16 4:29:52 PM MrHatAndCloak
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* The reason why Belkar has such poor Spot and Listen checks is because he has a poor Wisdom score, and barely any skill points, the latter of which is joked about [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html]] in the very first strip.

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* The reason why Belkar has such poor Spot and Listen checks is because he has a poor Wisdom score, and barely any skill points, the latter of which is joked about in the [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html]] in the html very first strip.strip]].
24th Jun '16 4:24:45 PM MrHatAndCloak
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* The reason why Belkar has such poor Spot and Listen checks is because he has a poor Wisdom score, and barely any skill points, the latter of which is joked about [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html]] in the very first strip.
1st Jun '16 11:24:45 AM Thecommander236
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'''Tarquin:''' I'm sorry, Elan, but you brought this all on yourself. I tried to give you a dramatically significant death scene to swear vengeance over, but you seem to prefer this... this disjoined anarchy. There's no unity of theme here at all!\\

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'''Tarquin:''' I'm sorry, Elan, but you brought this all on yourself. I tried to give you a dramatically significant death scene to swear vengeance over, but you seem to prefer this... this disjoined disjointed anarchy. There's no unity of theme here at all!\\
1st Jun '16 11:11:51 AM Thecommander236
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** Reflecting on it, there's a second layer of Fridge Brilliance here that would make Girard's ghost explode with rage -- ''Soon Kim won their argument.'' Everything Girard did to secure his Gate only slowed down the heroes but wouldn't have delayed Team Evil much at all (fortunately for the Order, Redcloak [[NiceJobFixingItVillain did that instead]]). The assault on Soon's Gate required pretty much every resource Team Evil could muster - every single goblinoid on the ''continent'' {{Zerg Rush}}ing it with the aid of the two greatest spellcasters in the '''world''' - and it still took an entire plot arc of bloody, PyrrhicVillainy(''mountains'' of goblin corpses '''everywhere''' while the majority of the human population escaped unscathed) to breach the defenses... and it would have been entirely successful, too, if not for a certain [[SpannerInTheWorks delusional ex-paladin]]. In comparison, Xykon shattered the defenses of two other gates like ''potato chips''; Lirian's went down to an accidental forest fire, Dorukan's were overcome in direct magical combat.

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** Reflecting on it, there's a second layer of Fridge Brilliance here that would make Girard's ghost explode with rage -- ''Soon Kim won their argument.'' Everything Girard did to secure his Gate only slowed down the heroes but wouldn't have delayed Team Evil much at all (fortunately for the Order, Redcloak [[NiceJobFixingItVillain did that instead]]). The assault on Soon's Gate required pretty much every resource Team Evil could muster - every single goblinoid on the ''continent'' {{Zerg Rush}}ing it with the aid of the two greatest spellcasters in the '''world''' - and it still took an entire plot arc of bloody, PyrrhicVillainy(''mountains'' PyrrhicVillainy (''mountains'' of goblin corpses '''everywhere''' while the majority of the human population escaped unscathed) to breach the defenses... and it would have been entirely successful, too, if not for a certain [[SpannerInTheWorks delusional ex-paladin]]. In comparison, Xykon shattered the defenses of two other gates like ''potato chips''; Lirian's went down to an accidental forest fire, Dorukan's were overcome in direct magical combat.
1st Jun '16 11:10:47 AM Thecommander236
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** Reflecting on it, there's a second layer of Fridge Brilliance here that would make Girard's ghost explode with rage -- ''Soon Kim won their argument.'' Everything Girard did to secure his Gate only slowed down the heroes but wouldn't have delayed Team Evil much at all (fortunately for the Order, Redcloak [[NiceJobFixingItVillain did that instead]]). The assault on Soon's Gate required required pretty much every resource Team Evil could muster - every single goblinoid on the ''continent'' {{Zerg Rush}}ing it with the aid of the two greatest spellcasters in the '''world''' - and it still took an entire plot arc of bloody, PyrrhicVillainy(''mountains'' of goblin corpses '''everywhere''' while the majority of the human population escaped unscathed) to breach the defenses... and it would have been entirely successful, too, if not for a certain [[SpannerInTheWorks delusional ex-paladin]]. In comparison, Xykon shattered the defenses of two other gates like ''potato chips''; Lirian's went down to an accidental forest fire, Dorukan's were overcome in direct magical combat.

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** Reflecting on it, there's a second layer of Fridge Brilliance here that would make Girard's ghost explode with rage -- ''Soon Kim won their argument.'' Everything Girard did to secure his Gate only slowed down the heroes but wouldn't have delayed Team Evil much at all (fortunately for the Order, Redcloak [[NiceJobFixingItVillain did that instead]]). The assault on Soon's Gate required required pretty much every resource Team Evil could muster - every single goblinoid on the ''continent'' {{Zerg Rush}}ing it with the aid of the two greatest spellcasters in the '''world''' - and it still took an entire plot arc of bloody, PyrrhicVillainy(''mountains'' of goblin corpses '''everywhere''' while the majority of the human population escaped unscathed) to breach the defenses... and it would have been entirely successful, too, if not for a certain [[SpannerInTheWorks delusional ex-paladin]]. In comparison, Xykon shattered the defenses of two other gates like ''potato chips''; Lirian's went down to an accidental forest fire, Dorukan's were overcome in direct magical combat.
1st Jun '16 10:18:28 AM Thecommander236
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* When V casts Vaarsuvius' Greater Animal Messenger to contact Belkar and Haley, he/she shields it from all magical methods of attack, but doesn't shield it from normal arrows. It gets shot and eaten by Belkar and Haley. A the time, V was a believer in the Almighty Superiority of Magic, so of course he/she wouldn't even consider that the spell could be defeated by normal weapons.

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* When V casts Vaarsuvius' Greater Animal Messenger to contact Belkar and Haley, he/she shields it from all magical methods of attack, but doesn't shield it from normal arrows. It gets shot and eaten by Belkar and Haley. A At the time, V was a believer in the Almighty Superiority of Magic, so of course he/she wouldn't even consider that the spell could be defeated by normal weapons.
25th May '16 4:54:30 PM Peacockmantisshrimp
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* if you think about it, had on [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0137.htmlthis page]] elan managed to get banjo raised to godhood then [[spoiler: banjo could have broken the tie as elan suggested on [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1027.html this page]] and they wouldn have to race to stop Durkon.]]

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* if you think about it, had on [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0137.htmlthis html this page]] elan managed to get banjo raised to godhood then [[spoiler: banjo could have broken the tie as elan suggested on [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1027.html this page]] and they wouldn have to race to stop Durkon.]]
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