History Fridge / TheLittleMermaid

23rd Mar '17 11:37:44 AM momur
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** You're assuming that the legality of Ursula's contracts would be the same as the legality of 21st century human contracts. Chances are they're not. I'd imagine Ursula's contracts are based solely on the very basic premise of each side fulfilling the terms of their agreement: Ursula will give Ariel legs (which she does) and Ariel gets Eric to give her the kiss of true love within three days, or she forfeits herself to Ursula - basically leaving either herself or Ariel room to interfere and sway things to their advantage as much as they want (which they both do: Ursula with the aforementioned examples, and Ariel by enlisting the help of Sebastian et al). Since Ursula is the one who draws up the contract (and she clearly wants Ariel to fail), she's hardly going to include any clauses that might prevent her from playing dirty. Heck, even demanding Ariel's voice as payment could be considered a breach of contract by your logic, since she knows Eric's in love with whoever saved him and can only identify that girl by ''her voice''.
24th Feb '17 9:06:43 PM PrincessGwen
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* Unlike [[LeanAndMean many]] [[VainSorceress other Disney witches]], Ursula is a [[FatBastard fat]] [[VillainousGlutton hag]] with a masculine voice, unattractive white short hair and a big pimple on her (double) chin. Why can't she apply the magic powers she uses to make her clients pretty [[VainSorceress on herself]] (cfr. "[[VillainSong This one ''lounging to be thinner'', that one wants to get the girl, and do I help them? Yes, indeed!]]")? It's simple: she can't change her ShapeshifterDefaultForm. As shown in the original movie and a comic story ("Reflections of [[MeaningfulName Arsulu]]"), it doesn't matter how much magic she can use to [[FormerlyFat shorten her waist]] or restore her youthful looks: it would take only a [[TheMirrorShowsYourTrueSelf mirror]] to find out that nice, young girl is anything but. In fact, it turns out in both the aforementioned sources to be one of her few major [[AchillesHeel weaknesses]].

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* Unlike [[LeanAndMean many]] [[VainSorceress other Disney witches]], Ursula is a [[FatBastard fat]] [[VillainousGlutton hag]] with a masculine voice, unattractive white short hair and a big pimple on her (double) chin. Why can't she apply the magic powers she uses to make her clients pretty [[VainSorceress on herself]] (cfr. "[[VillainSong This one ''lounging ''longing to be thinner'', that one wants to get the girl, and do I help them? Yes, indeed!]]")? It's simple: she can't change her ShapeshifterDefaultForm. As shown in the original movie and a comic story ("Reflections of [[MeaningfulName Arsulu]]"), it doesn't matter how much magic she can use to [[FormerlyFat shorten her waist]] or restore her youthful looks: it would take only a [[TheMirrorShowsYourTrueSelf mirror]] to find out that nice, young girl is anything but. In fact, it turns out in both the aforementioned sources to be one of her few major [[AchillesHeel weaknesses]].



** Regarding the storm, did all the other sailors survive the hurricane? We only see Eric Grim and Max. What happened to the other sailors?

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** Regarding the storm, did all the other sailors survive the hurricane? We only see Eric Eric, Grim and Max. What happened to the other sailors?



** The line is "Larynxes, glossitis, ad max laryngitis, la voce to me." Larynx is the voicebox, glossits is an inflammation of the tounge, la voce is Italian for voice, etc.

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** The line is "Larynxes, glossitis, ad max laryngitis, la voce to me." Larynx is the voicebox, glossits is an inflammation of the tounge, tongue, la voce is Italian for voice, etc.



* Thinking about "Les Poisson" again, it's very possible that Chef Louis isn't as crazy as he appears--the whole song is shown from ''Sebastian's'' point of view, so it's likely that Louis is just preparing a meal they way a normal person would (and singing to himself, which many people do when they're doing something they enjoy) and Sebastian (being one of the animals he would cook) perceives it as something more horrific. Even the terrifying lyrics could fit into this idea--Louis may be singing in French and Sebastian isn't able to understand it, so we're hearing his interpretation of said lyrics.

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* Thinking about "Les Poisson" again, it's very possible that Chef Louis isn't as crazy as he appears--the whole song is shown from ''Sebastian's'' point of view, so it's likely that Louis is just preparing a meal they the way a normal person would (and singing to himself, which many people do when they're doing something they enjoy) and Sebastian (being one of the animals he would cook) perceives it as something more horrific. Even the terrifying lyrics could fit into this idea--Louis may be singing in French and Sebastian isn't able to understand it, so we're hearing his interpretation of said lyrics.



* When Ariel gets the shark stuck in the anchor, it's obvious he can't go forward, but sharks can't swim backwards

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* When Ariel gets the shark stuck in the anchor, it's obvious he can't go forward, but sharks can't swim backwardsbackwards.



* When Sebastian sees the stuffed crabs in the palace kitchen. It's PlayedForLaughs, but how would you feel if you encountered [[NauseaFuel roasted human corpses]] [[NightmareFuel torn open and stuffed with herbs and breadcrumbs?]]
** That's not even the worst that can be made of it. How many of those fish and crabs did Sebastion know on a personal level? I mean, when the fish head lands directly in front of him, for all we know, it was someone he considered a friend.

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* When Sebastian sees the stuffed crabs in the palace kitchen. It's kitchen, it's PlayedForLaughs, but how would you feel if you encountered [[NauseaFuel roasted human corpses]] [[NightmareFuel torn open and stuffed with herbs and breadcrumbs?]]
** That's not even the worst that can be made of it. How many of those fish and crabs did Sebastion Sebastian know on a personal level? I mean, when the fish head lands directly in front of him, for all we know, it was someone he considered a friend.



* So Ursula is supposed to have an octopus lower torso. But if you consider the fact that in real life, that's where the octopus' mouth is supposed to be, what is supposed to be the octopus' mouth in real life [[VaginaDentata becomes's Ursula's anus!]]

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* So Ursula is supposed to have an octopus octopus' lower torso. But if you consider the fact that in real life, that's where the octopus' mouth is supposed to be, what is supposed to be the octopus' mouth in real life [[VaginaDentata becomes's Ursula's anus!]]



** Her father is Triton whose the son of Poseidon and while Athena does hold grudges in the stories she doesn't tend to punish Poseidon's children for it. 

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** Her father is Triton whose Triton, who's the son of Poseidon and while Athena does hold grudges in the stories stories, she doesn't tend to punish Poseidon's children for it. 



*** Actually Triton would not have been able to change Ariel back, or even get her voice back for that matter. Ursula's contract was "legal, binding and completely unbreakable", even for Trident. His magic couldn't work against it in the end, so there is nothing he could do have stopped the effects at the beginning. Ariel made the deal. She would have had to deal with it.
** Her family and friends could do a "true love kiss on the forehead" a-la Once Upon a Time and Frozen. The Aesop would be that the one's who truly loved her and she loved back were the ones around her all the time.

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*** Actually Triton would not have been able to change Ariel back, or even get her voice back for that matter. Ursula's contract was "legal, binding and completely unbreakable", even for Trident. His magic couldn't work against it in the end, so there is nothing he could do that would have stopped the effects at the beginning. Ariel made the deal. She would have had to deal with it.
** Her family and friends could do a "true love kiss on the forehead" a-la Once Upon a Time and Frozen. The Aesop would be that the one's ones who truly loved her and she loved back were the ones around her all the time.



* A conversation of the creepy things Disney gets away with in kids movies brought me to the sudden realization that the Little Mermaid is, at heart, a watered down version of {{Faust}}. Both protaganists feel they've reached the heights of their current lives, both make a DealWithTheDevil to pursue a life they believe will bring them more happiness, both fixiate on a love interest which leads to them messing up royally, ruining the lives (permanently or temporarily) of a bunch of people, both end up being redeemed at the end. The original Hans Christian Anderson version of the Little Mermaid even more strongly parallels this, as much of the mermaid's motivation was to receive a soul, and at the end of the story she did, sort of. After [[EarnYourHappyEnding suffering and dying]], instead of just being dead, she is made into a spirit and given the chance of eventually earning soulhood and going to Heaven. In ''Theatre/{{Faust}}'' by Creator/JohannWolfgangVonGoethe and subsequent adaptations, Faust's soul is eventually redeemed after he goes to great lengths to make up for the guilt of ruining Gretchen. In fact, Anderson could have drawn from elements of Faust, as he was well educated, and the legend of Faust predated him by at least 200 years.

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* A conversation of the creepy things Disney gets away with in kids movies brought me to the sudden realization that the Little Mermaid is, at heart, a watered down version of {{Faust}}. Both protaganists feel they've reached the heights of their current lives, both make a DealWithTheDevil to pursue a life they believe will bring them more happiness, both fixiate on a love interest which leads to them messing up royally, ruining the lives (permanently or temporarily) of a bunch of people, both end up being redeemed at the end. The original Hans Christian Anderson Andersen version of the Little Mermaid even more strongly parallels this, as much of the mermaid's motivation was to receive a soul, and at the end of the story she did, sort of. After [[EarnYourHappyEnding suffering and dying]], instead of just being dead, she is made into a spirit and given the chance of eventually earning soulhood and going to Heaven. In ''Theatre/{{Faust}}'' by Creator/JohannWolfgangVonGoethe and subsequent adaptations, Faust's soul is eventually redeemed after he goes to great lengths to make up for the guilt of ruining Gretchen. In fact, Anderson could have drawn from elements of Faust, as he was well educated, and the legend of Faust predated him by at least 200 years.



* This troper's noticed a lot of people commenting on Ariel's reaction to breathing air the first time after being turned into a human. Thing is, she just came up from probably a good few dozen feet below sea level, propelled by two small sea creatures and what little movement she could do with her legs(having been used to fins her whole life). She was probably was under for a few minutes at least. Now think of how you would feel if you had held your breath for that long, if you hadn't passed out beforehand.

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* This troper's noticed a lot of people commenting on Ariel's reaction to breathing air the first time after being turned into a human. Thing is, she just came up from probably a good few dozen feet below sea level, propelled by two small sea creatures and what little movement she could do with her legs(having legs (having been used to fins her whole life). She was probably was under for a few minutes at least. Now think of how you would feel if you had held your breath for that long, if you hadn't passed out beforehand.



** Ursula is a master con-artist, she had no reason to threaten Ariel when she cold just swindle and con her. The whole movie plot was her master con, a bid to get the throne exploiting a weakness Ariel didn't have in the TV Series: Eric.

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** Ursula is a master con-artist, she had no reason to threaten Ariel when she cold could just swindle and con her. The whole movie plot was her master con, a bid to get the throne exploiting a weakness Ariel didn't have in the TV Series: Eric.



* In one episode, Ariel actually meets Hans Cristian Anderson and he's inspired to write her story. That's great...until you remember how horrifying the mermaid's transformation was in his story. What the hell, Hans?

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* In one episode, Ariel actually meets Hans Cristian Anderson Christian Andersen and he's inspired to write her story. That's great...until you remember how horrifying the mermaid's transformation was in his story. What the hell, Hans?
20th Feb '17 4:39:32 PM CJCroen1393
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* Ursula's penultimate line "POOR, INSIGNIFICANT FOOLS!" is nothing more than "POOR UNFORTUNATE SOULS", twisted to reflect Ursula's ''true'' colors on the matter.

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* Ursula's penultimate line "POOR, "PITIFUL, INSIGNIFICANT FOOLS!" is nothing more than "POOR UNFORTUNATE SOULS", twisted to reflect Ursula's ''true'' colors on the matter.
12th Feb '17 9:39:13 PM bweb
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* Regarding the contract, it's "Legal, binding, and unbreakable." Fine. Except, Ursula interfered with Ariel's execution of her contractual obligations on two separate occasions. First, by having Flotsam and Jetsam capsize the boat that Eric and Ariel were in, thus acting as mood killers, and then by showing up herself in disguise, casting a spell on Eric, and attempting to draw him to her to prevent Ariel from kissing him. By any reasonable legal standard, that should have rendered the contract null and void. I can't tell you that you have three days to complete a difficult task, then shoot you in the kneecaps and claim breech of contract when you fail to complete the task in the allotted time. What Ursula and her agents did is the very textbook definition of Tortious Interference.
12th Feb '17 9:29:41 PM bweb
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** That's not even the worst that can be made of it. How many of those fish and crabs did Sebastion know on a personal level? I mean, when the fish head lands directly in front of him, for all we know, it was someone he considered a friend.
31st Jan '17 4:22:29 PM CJCroen1393
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* Thinking about "Les Poisson" again, it's very possible that Chef Louis isn't as crazy as he appears--the whole song is shown from ''Sebastian's'' point of view, so it's likely that Louis is just preparing a meal they way a normal person would (and singing to himself, which many people do when they're doing something they enjoy) and Sebastian (being one of the animals he would cook) perceives it as something more horrific.

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* Thinking about "Les Poisson" again, it's very possible that Chef Louis isn't as crazy as he appears--the whole song is shown from ''Sebastian's'' point of view, so it's likely that Louis is just preparing a meal they way a normal person would (and singing to himself, which many people do when they're doing something they enjoy) and Sebastian (being one of the animals he would cook) perceives it as something more horrific.
horrific. Even the terrifying lyrics could fit into this idea--Louis may be singing in French and Sebastian isn't able to understand it, so we're hearing his interpretation of said lyrics.
14th Dec '16 12:35:59 PM wolftickets1969
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** In Creator/GoldenFilms's 1992 {{Mockbuster}} film, Lena manages to win the heart of Prince Stefan, but doesn't seem to regain her voice, meaning she's a mute for the rest of her life. It is implied that if Ariel and Eric had gone through uninterrupted with True Love's Kiss while she was voiceless, she would have suffered the same fate.

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** In Creator/GoldenFilms's 1992 {{Mockbuster}} film, Lena ultimately manages to win the heart of get Prince Stefan, Stefan to marry her, but doesn't seem to regain her voice, meaning she's a mute for the rest of her life. It is implied that if Ariel and Eric had gone through uninterrupted with True Love's Kiss while she was voiceless, she would have suffered the same fate.
14th Dec '16 12:32:04 PM wolftickets1969
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** In Creator/GoldenFilms's 1992 {{Mockbuster}} film, Lena manages to win the heart of Prince Stefan, but doesn't seem to regain her voice, meaning she's a mute for the rest of her life. It is implied that if Ariel and Eric had gone through uninterrupted with True Love's Kiss while she was voiceless, she would have suffered the same fate.
30th Oct '16 10:49:30 PM loracarol
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*** It is possible the original post refers to one of the many, ''many'' interpretations of Greek myth where Poseidon raped Athena and then stole the children from her that he fathered. It ''must'' be pointed out that Athena being present in tie-in films means nothing to the 75% of the fandom that denies their very existence - this FridgeHorror entry works especially well if you believe that there is only one film in which Areal's mother is practically never mentioned. 

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*** It is possible the original post refers to one of the many, ''many'' interpretations of Greek myth where Poseidon raped Athena and then stole the children from her that he fathered. It ''must'' be pointed out that Athena being present in tie-in films means nothing to the 75% of the fandom that denies their very existence - this FridgeHorror entry works especially well if you believe that there is only one film in which Areal's Ariel's mother is practically never mentioned. 
30th Oct '16 10:46:11 PM loracarol
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* Ursula the Sea Witch angrily refers to Ariel as "the little tramp" because she almost got Prince Eric to kiss her, even though she can't speak. Well, Charlie Chaplin, the brilliant silent movie star, was most famous for his "Little Tramp" character, who of course was never heard speaking. DendariiDame
* Let's recap ''who'' knows about the human world except Ariel. There is Scuttle, there's Sebastian, and there's Triton. Oh, and Ursula, too. And their knowledge is, that's the fridge part, just connected to who they are. Scuttle is a creature of the surface, but flees any human, although he has seen some. He knows they aren't ''monsters'', and he knows what they look like, but since he never spoke to one, he doesn't know their language and they way of life. Sebastian as a crab went on the seashore, so he knows quite a bit about humans, as demonstrated in ''Under the sea'', and his smallish allows him to spy them. He knows about their way of life. On the contrary, he's too small to understand their personality, so here comes his opinion. Triton kows them as a fish can knows them: from under the sea, as this thing up there who holds the hook. Hence the "fish)eaters" category.

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* Ursula the Sea Witch angrily refers to Ariel as "the little tramp" because she almost got Prince Eric to kiss her, even though she can't speak. Well, Charlie Chaplin, the brilliant silent movie star, was most famous for his "Little Tramp" character, who of course was never heard speaking. DendariiDame\n
* Let's recap ''who'' knows about the human world except Ariel. There is Scuttle, there's Sebastian, and there's Triton. Oh, and Ursula, too. And their knowledge is, that's the fridge part, just connected to who they are. Scuttle is a creature of the surface, but flees any human, although he has seen some. He knows they aren't ''monsters'', and he knows what they look like, but since he never spoke to one, he doesn't know their language and they way of life. Sebastian as a crab went on the seashore, so he knows quite a bit about humans, as demonstrated in ''Under the sea'', and his smallish allows him to spy them. He knows about their way of life. On the contrary, he's too small to understand their personality, so here comes his opinion. Triton kows them as a fish can knows them: from under the sea, as this thing up there who holds the hook. Hence the "fish)eaters" "fisheaters" category.
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