History Fridge / TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToTHePast

7th Jun '15 1:47:11 PM Discar
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Stripping out natter, first person, and removing disproven entries.
%% %% %% %% This isn't Troper Tales or a forum. Refrain from first person entries, speculation, and "replying" to entries. RepairDontRespond is in effect here as much as any other page. %% %% %% Fridge that demands an answer goes on the Headscratchers tab. %% If you want to add a fridge example that needs an answer, or see a fridge example you want to answer, move it over to Headscratchers. %% %% [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] * Why is it that even though it was stated that the properties of the Dark World cause those who enter it to shapeshift into something that reflects their true natures, Agahnim looked exactly the same as he did in the normal world? Agahnim is basically nothing more than a host for Ganon's spirit; he has no soul of his own, and Ganon was already changed into his boar form. * The three pendants you have to collect (Courage, Strength, and Wisdom, respectively) seem to have no reason for the order you gathered them in, but now they seem to be in order based on how soon Link (and by extension, the player) would gain those respective traits. ''Courage'' comes first because you need it just to start your journey. ''Strength'' follows after you have started gaining new items and powers. ''Wisdom'' comes last since Link and the player need time to master these items and become comfortable with the gameplay. * The Master Sword was specifically forged as a failsafe in case the Triforce was used for evil. The Master Sword suppresses the Triforce's power, making the holder of the Triforce powerless. Still some Fridge Brilliance here: Ganon wasn't hosting the Triforce in his body at the time -- it was in a locked room behind his chamber in the Pyramid. The Master Sword was still a sword, so it could be used for the first half. After that, Ganon used his magic to make himself invulnerable, which only Silver Arrows could undo

* One wonders how there are people in Misery Mire, considering the only way to get in is via a portal that is only accessible by using the magic flute (and you're apparently the first person to have used the flute in some time, considering that the bird in Kakariko town square actually pops out of a sculpture when you play it). The story rules out the possibility that they were there before Ganon transformed the Golden Land into the Dark World, as he was apparently the first person to enter the region for an unspecified amount of time. Most likely there are other methods of entering that aren't represented by game mechanics and the MST3KMantra should apply, but one wonders why Link would have had to go through all the trouble then. ** It's feasible to believe that since people had been getting trapped in the Dark World for centuries, someone may have at some point blocked off the Mire between Ganon's imprisonment and when Agahnim weakened the barriers. It's also believable that the Sacred Realm had SOME kind of native life in it to a degree, since Ganondorf was the first being from Hyrule to enter since the Sacred Realm's creation. * Given that the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Sages]] represent multiple races in Hyrule (Goron, Kokiri, Zora, Hylian, Gerudo), why are the maidens all Hylian? Yeah, {{retcon}}, but I wonder what the in-story reason is, especially [[FridgeHorror since the other races no longer exist]]. ** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have [[InterspeciesRomance blood-lines of their respective races, making them Hylian part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora and Gerudo respectively.]] [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] * As I played through ''[[TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past]]'' I wondered to myself, why is it that even though it was stated that the properties of the Dark World cause those who enter it to shapeshift into something that reflects their true natures, Agahnim looked exactly the same as he did in the normal world? And then I finished the game and it hit me: Agahnim is basically nothing more than a host for Ganon's spirit; he has no soul of his own, and Ganon was already changed into his boar form. * I used to think that the three pendants you have to collect (Courage, Strength, and Wisdom, respectively) had no reason for the order you gathered them in, but now they seem to be in order based on how soon Link (and by extension, the player) would gain those respective traits. ''Courage'' comes first because you need it just to start your journey. ''Strength'' follows after you have started gaining new items and powers. ''Wisdom'' comes last since Link and the player need time to master these items and become comfortable with the gameplay. * Why is it that in ''ALinkToThePast'', the Master Sword is no longer able to destroy Ganon by itself, even though in all the other games it's the ''only'' weapon that can kill him? It's not because the sword is less powerful (in fact, the Golden Sword upgrade may be ''the most powerful sword in the franchise''). It's because Ganondorf was able to claim the ''entire'' Triforce when the Hero of Time was defeated and is at his most powerful. Even the Master Sword's enchantments against evil is unable to counter the power of the Triforce, and it takes the IncorruptiblePurePureness of silver against evil to finish him off. ** The thing is, the Master Sword was specifically forged as a failsafe in case the Triforce was used for evil. The Master Sword suppresses the Triforce's power, making the holder of the Triforce powerless. Still some Fridge Brilliance here: Ganon wasn't hosting the Triforce in his body at the time -- it was in a locked room behind his chamber in the Pyramid. The Master Sword was still a sword, so it could be used for the first half. After that, Ganon used his magic to make himself invulnerable, which only Silver Arrows could undo ** Technically, it ''is'' possible to defeat Ganon using only the Master Sword. It's just [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuObtu5EtA a lot more difficult]].
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* One wonders how there are people in Misery Mire, considering On the only way to get in is via a portal that is only accessible by using the magic flute (and you're apparently the first person to have used the flute in some time, considering that the bird in Kakariko town square actually pops out of a sculpture when you play it). The story rules out the possibility that they were there before Ganon transformed the Golden Land into the Dark World, as he was apparently the first person to enter the region for an unspecified amount of time. Most likely there are other methods of entering that aren't represented by game mechanics and the MST3KMantra should apply, but one wonders why Link would have had to go through all the trouble then. ** It's feasible to believe that since people had been getting trapped in the Dark World for centuries, someone may have at some point blocked off the Mire between Ganon's imprisonment and when Agahnim weakened the barriers. It's also believable that the Sacred Realm had SOME kind of native life in it to a degree, since Ganondorf was the first being from Hyrule to enter since the Sacred Realm's creation. * Given that the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Sages]] represent multiple races in Hyrule (Goron, Kokiri, Zora, Hylian, Gerudo), why are the maidens all Hylian? Yeah, {{retcon}}, but I wonder what the in-story reason is, especially [[FridgeHorror since the other races no longer exist]]. ** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have [[InterspeciesRomance blood-lines of their respective races, making them Hylian part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora and Gerudo respectively.]] [[AC:FridgeBrilliance]] * As I played through ''[[TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past]]'' I wondered to myself, why is it that even though it was stated that the properties of the Dark World cause those who enter it to shapeshift into something that reflects their true natures, Agahnim looked exactly the same as he did in the normal world? And then I finished the game and it hit me: Agahnim is basically nothing more than a host for Ganon's spirit; he has no soul of his own, and Ganon was already changed into his boar form. * I used to think that the three pendants you have to collect (Courage, Strength, and Wisdom, respectively) had no reason for the order you gathered them in, but now they seem to be in order based on how soon Link (and by extension, the player) would gain those respective traits. ''Courage'' comes first because you need it just to start your journey. ''Strength'' follows after you have started gaining new items and powers. ''Wisdom'' comes last since Link and the player need time to master these items and become comfortable with the gameplay. * Why is it that in ''ALinkToThePast'', the Master Sword is no longer able to destroy Ganon by itself, even though in all the other games it's the ''only'' weapon that can kill him? It's not because the sword is less powerful (in fact, the Golden Sword upgrade may be ''the most powerful sword in the franchise''). It's because Ganondorf was able to claim the ''entire'' Triforce when the Hero of Time was defeated and is at his most powerful. Even the Master Sword's enchantments against evil is unable to counter the power of the Triforce, and it takes the IncorruptiblePurePureness of silver against evil to finish him off. ** The thing is, the Master Sword was specifically forged as a failsafe in case the Triforce was used for evil. The Master Sword suppresses the Triforce's power, making the holder of the Triforce powerless. Still some Fridge Brilliance here: Ganon wasn't hosting the Triforce in his body at the time -- it was in a locked room behind his chamber in the Pyramid. The Master Sword was still a sword, so it could be used for the first half. After that, Ganon used his magic to make himself invulnerable, which only Silver Arrows could undo ** Technically, it ''is'' possible to defeat Ganon using only the Master Sword. It's just [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuObtu5EtA a lot more difficult]].[[Headscratchers/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast headscratchers]] page.
12th Jan '15 1:14:02 PM CassandraLeo
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** The thing is, the Master Sword was specifically forged as a failsafe in case the Triforce was used for evil. The Master Sword suppresses the Triforce's power, making the holder of the Triforce powerless. Still some Fridge Brilliance here: Ganon wasn't hosting the Triforce in his body at the time -- it was in a locked room behind his chamber in the Pyramid. The Master Sword was still a sword, so it could be used for the first half. After that, Ganon used his magic to make himself invulnerable, which only Silver Arrows could undo.
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** The thing is, the Master Sword was specifically forged as a failsafe in case the Triforce was used for evil. The Master Sword suppresses the Triforce's power, making the holder of the Triforce powerless. Still some Fridge Brilliance here: Ganon wasn't hosting the Triforce in his body at the time -- it was in a locked room behind his chamber in the Pyramid. The Master Sword was still a sword, so it could be used for the first half. After that, Ganon used his magic to make himself invulnerable, which only Silver Arrows could undo.undo ** Technically, it ''is'' possible to defeat Ganon using only the Master Sword. It's just [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuObtu5EtA a lot more difficult]].
31st Jul '14 7:42:01 PM PandaXclone2
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** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have blood-lines of their respective races, making them Hylian part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora and Gerudo respectively.
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** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have [[InterspeciesRomance blood-lines of their respective races, making them Hylian part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora and Gerudo respectively. respectively.]]
31st Jul '14 7:39:06 PM PandaXclone2
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** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have blood-lines of their respective races, making them human part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora, Hylian and Gerudo respectively.
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** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have blood-lines of their respective races, making them human Hylian part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora, Hylian Zora and Gerudo respectively.
31st Jul '14 7:37:50 PM PandaXclone2
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** Actually, when you consider the fact that Link is descendant to the blood-line of the Hylian Knights, logic follows that these maidens must also have blood-lines of their respective races, making them human part-Goron, Kokiri, Zora, Hylian and Gerudo respectively.
20th Jun '14 1:52:56 PM technickal
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* Given that the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Sages]] represent multiple races in Hyrule (Goron, Kokiri, Zora, Hylian, Garudo), why are the maidens all Hylian? Yeah, {{retcon}}, but I wonder what the in-story reason is, especially [[FridgeHorror since the other races no longer exist]]. ** The Sages of [=OoT=] and the Sages/Seven Wise Men of [=ALttP=] aren't the same people due to the way the timeline split.
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* Given that the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Sages]] represent multiple races in Hyrule (Goron, Kokiri, Zora, Hylian, Garudo), Gerudo), why are the maidens all Hylian? Yeah, {{retcon}}, but I wonder what the in-story reason is, especially [[FridgeHorror since the other races no longer exist]]. ** The Sages of [=OoT=] and the Sages/Seven Wise Men of [=ALttP=] aren't the same people due to the way the timeline split.
3rd Jan '14 6:33:19 PM lalalei2001
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** Jossed in that all media such as manga and comic adaptations portray Agahnim as a separate being in Hyrule that was under Ganon's command. The Agahnim we see in Ganon's Tower was in fact Ganon's disguise, but the one in Hyrule was the actual Agahnim being possessed of Ganon's power and will. The two versions of Agahnim actually speak very differently to Link in the original Japanese version. Agahnim in Hyrule was almost respectful of Link's travels and successes when you face him in his tower at Hyrule Castle, while in the Dark World, Ganon's illusion of Agahnim was condescending and outright rude. *** Since when was media that isn't the games, manuals, etc. canonical? Or was Volvagia Link's pet even though it was flat out said that Ganon revived Volvagia? **** Since Eiji Aonuma said that as far as the Zelda team is concerned, the OoT Manga told the story not able to be portrayed in the games. So that's kind of a WordofGod ruling by Aonuma and Miyamoto.
3rd Jan '14 6:18:55 PM HeroofHylia
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*** Since when was media that isn't the games, manuals, etc. canonical? Or was Volvagia Link's pet even though it was flat out said that Ganon revived Volvagia?
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*** Since when was media that isn't the games, manuals, etc. canonical? Or was Volvagia Link's pet even though it was flat out said that Ganon revived Volvagia? Volvagia? ****Since Eiji Aonuma said that as far as the Zelda team is concerned, the OoT Manga told the story not able to be portrayed in the games. So that's kind of a WordofGod ruling by Aonuma and Miyamoto.
3rd Jan '14 6:16:12 PM HeroofHylia
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**It's feasible to believe that since people had been getting trapped in the Dark World for centuries, someone may have at some point blocked off the Mire between Ganon's imprisonment and when Agahnim weakened the barriers. It's also believable that the Sacred Realm had SOME kind of native life in it to a degree, since Ganondorf was the first being from Hyrule to enter since the Sacred Realm's creation.
22nd Dec '13 7:31:33 AM Agares
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