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2nd Feb '16 12:41:58 AM moguera
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* While it's a shame we never get to hear a full length rendition of ''Far Over the Misty Mountains Cold'' in the movie, the prologue to ''Film/AnUnexpectedJourney'' contains several visual nods to individual lines within the song.
10th Jan '16 9:55:18 AM Discar
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* In the film, Thrór is described as succumbing to a "sickness" over his longing for gold, and it is stated that his desire for more and more wealth is what drew Smaug to Erebor. Now, consider the back story to ''LOTR'': The Seven Rings of the Dwarves were captured and corrupted by Sauron, who then presented them to the kings (Dúrin's Folk dispute Sauron ever had his ring, of course, but it's left ambiguous by Tolkien). However, Sauron discovered that because the dwarves were specifically made to be resistant to evil by Aulë, he couldn't directly control or corrupt them the way he could use the Nine against men (another bit of brilliance in the film version of ''The Fellowship of the Ring'': this is the one thing that makes it plausible if ''anyone'' could try to break the Ring by himself, it would be Gimli). What did Sauron do instead? He twisted the Rings themselves so that while the dwarves could indeed use them to build their fortunes, that it would also lead to the destruction of their kingdoms. Thrór possessed the Ring of Dúrin. His madness for gold, which led him to accumulate such a large hoard it drew Smaug's attention, is the result of his Ring's corruption. And [[FromBadToWorse it gets even better from there]]. It's implied that, since Thrór's son was mysteriously absent at the time of his death, Thorin inherited Thrór's Ring of Power in his father's stead. This Ring could have been used to twist Thorin's darker characteristics against him - his anger and thirst for vengeance at the loss of his home and the dwindling of his family are the easiest targets for him. Now, when Thorin [[LetsGetDangerous gets his danger face on]] and attacks Azog from out of the burning tree near the end of the film, listen carefully to the music that plays. It's the Nazgûl leitmotif from the ''LOTR'' films. And we see that Thorin's rage drives him to make an unwise attack that surely would have got him killed if Bilbo hadn't interfered. The logic follows that Sauron is using Thorin's Ring to manipulate him into getting himself killed - thus eliminating a powerful ally who might have been of great help to the good guys in the coming War of the Ring. And, if you've read the book, you can see that this tactic ''works''. Not only is Thorin going to be killed, but Fíli and Kíli, his nephews and the only heirs of his line, die defending him. [[FridgeHorror Let that sink in a bit]]. Sauron truly earned his MagnificentBastard stripes. ** Except Thorin didn't have the ring. It was lost in Dol Guldur when it was taken finger and all from Thráin.
9th Jan '16 12:23:45 PM tooearlyinthemorning
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** Thorin also had a younger brother who was killed at Azanulbizar. There may be a bit of ReplacementGoldfish for Frerin as well, as Did's sons are the only children any of them had.
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** Thorin also had a younger brother who was killed at Azanulbizar. There They may be a bit of have been ReplacementGoldfish for Frerin as well, as Did's Dis's sons are the only children any of them had.
31st Dec '15 11:04:30 AM Kayot
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Misinformation, the ring wasn't on Thorin and never was.
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**Except Thorin didn't have the ring. It was lost in Dol Guldur when it was taken finger and all from Thráin.
21st Dec '15 1:55:21 AM Malachi108
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* In ''Film/TheHobbitAnUnexpectedJourney'' Thranduil's army appearance in the Prologue seems forced: did he just march his entire army to help, only to turn around on the mere sight of the Dragon? How did he learn of the impending Dragon attack to be able to assemble and march his host so swiftly? And if he did not intend to help at all, why bring the army in thf first place? Then, ''Film/TheHobbitTheBattleOfTheFiveArmies'' puts it into perspective: he always intended to reclaim what he deemed rightfully his from the Dwarves by force, he just choose the timing poorly and had the misfortunate to arrive just behind the rampaging Dragon. Helping the refugees was never in question, but since the treasures were lost, there was no point in attacking them either.
30th Sep '15 7:37:00 PM Vidus
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** She's using her Vial, that will have been given to Sam in ''LOTR'', to combat the Necromancer. It holds the a bit of light of the North Star which is a Simaril which was made from the Two Trees. Brilliant that it is the only effective thing against the Necromancer. Brilliant that it she doesn't half to use her Elvin Ring, still keeping it hidden from Sauron. And [[LiteralMetaphor Brilliant literally.]]
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** She's using her Vial, Phial, that will have been given to Sam in ''LOTR'', to combat the Necromancer. It holds the a bit of light of the North Star "North Star" which is a Simaril which was made from the Two Trees. Brilliant that it is the only thing effective thing against the Necromancer. Brilliant in that it she doesn't half have to use her Elvin Ring, still keeping it hidden from Sauron. And [[LiteralMetaphor Brilliant literally.]]
30th Sep '15 7:33:35 PM Vidus
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** She's using her Vial, that will have been given to Sam in ''LOTR'', to combat the Necromancer. It holds the a bit of light of the North Star which is a Simaril which was made from the Two Trees. Brilliant that it is the only effective thing against the Necromancer. Brilliant that it she doesn't half to use her Elvin Ring, still keeping it hidden from Sauron. And [[LiteralMetaphor Brilliant literally.]]
9th Jun '15 2:10:39 PM Discar
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* The scene in which Thorin takes up the oak branch and cuts off Azog's arm is visually quite similar to the scene when Isildur takes up his father's sword and cuts off Sauron's finger. This may turn out to be significant later on. ** Possibly; Thorin falls to the gold sickness just as Isildur was seduced by the One Ring's power.
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* The scene in which Thorin takes up the oak branch and cuts off Azog's arm is visually quite similar to the scene when Isildur takes up his father's sword and cuts off Sauron's finger. This may turn out to be significant later on. ** Possibly; Thorin falls to the gold sickness just as Isildur was seduced by the One Ring's power.
9th Jun '15 12:06:48 AM ChrisDen
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** Possibly; Thorin falls to the gold sickness just as Isildur was seduced by the One Ring's power.
11th May '15 4:49:21 AM HermioneP
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* The scene where one of Bard's daughters asked where her dad is makes sense both in and out of universe - both her on-screen dad (Bard) and her real-life dad (James Nesbitt who plays Bofur) are not in the house during that scene.
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