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11th Oct '17 10:58:59 AM Sharlee
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** Becomes FridgeHorror, if you consider that Lord Raith surely wouldn't have just given up hope if that happened: rather, he would've set out to track down ''every woman Margaret's sons ever slept with''. In Thomas's case, that could've been ''thousands'' of women he'd fought his demon to leave alive, plus Justine, who's completely vulnerable and right there ''in Raith's own house''. In Harry's case, that means Elaine and Susan. How many of Thomas's lovers have had kids since they hooked up? How many of those kids would Lord Raith have murdered, just to be sure?

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** Becomes FridgeHorror, if you consider that Lord Raith surely wouldn't have just given up hope if that happened: rather, he would've set out to track down ''every woman Margaret's sons ever slept with''. In Thomas's case, that could've been ''thousands'' of women he'd fought his demon to leave alive, plus Justine, who's completely vulnerable and right there ''in Raith's own house''. In Harry's case, that means Elaine and Susan. How many of Thomas's lovers have had kids since they hooked up? How many of those kids would Lord Raith have murdered, just to be sure?sure? Would he even hesitate for a ''second'' to kill Justine - or give her to Madeline - on the off chance that ''she'' might be pregnant ''right then''?
11th Oct '17 10:57:13 AM Sharlee
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** Becomes FridgeHorror, if you consider that Lord Raith surely wouldn't have just given up hope if that happened: rather, he would've set out to track down ''every woman Margaret's sons ever slept with''. In Thomas's case, that could've been ''thousands'' of women he'd fought his demon to leave alive, plus Justine, who's completely vulnerable and right there ''in Raith's own house''. In Harry's case, that means Elaine and Susan.

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** Becomes FridgeHorror, if you consider that Lord Raith surely wouldn't have just given up hope if that happened: rather, he would've set out to track down ''every woman Margaret's sons ever slept with''. In Thomas's case, that could've been ''thousands'' of women he'd fought his demon to leave alive, plus Justine, who's completely vulnerable and right there ''in Raith's own house''. In Harry's case, that means Elaine and Susan. How many of Thomas's lovers have had kids since they hooked up? How many of those kids would Lord Raith have murdered, just to be sure?
11th Oct '17 10:52:56 AM Sharlee
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** Becomes FridgeHorror, if you consider that Lord Raith surely wouldn't have just given up hope if that happened: rather, he would've set out to track down ''every woman Margaret's sons ever slept with''. In Thomas's case, that could've been ''thousands'' of women he'd fought his demon to leave alive. In Harry's case, that means Elaine and Susan.

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** Becomes FridgeHorror, if you consider that Lord Raith surely wouldn't have just given up hope if that happened: rather, he would've set out to track down ''every woman Margaret's sons ever slept with''. In Thomas's case, that could've been ''thousands'' of women he'd fought his demon to leave alive.alive, plus Justine, who's completely vulnerable and right there ''in Raith's own house''. In Harry's case, that means Elaine and Susan.
11th Oct '17 10:50:35 AM Sharlee
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** Becomes FridgeHorror, if you consider that Lord Raith surely wouldn't have just given up hope if that happened: rather, he would've set out to track down ''every woman Margaret's sons ever slept with''. In Thomas's case, that could've been ''thousands'' of women he'd fought his demon to leave alive. In Harry's case, that means Elaine and Susan.
10th Oct '17 6:05:23 PM nombretomado
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* The Council has always been characterized as being filled with reactionary {{Jerkass}}es who are fanatical and unreasonable and unwilling to swerve or compromise. Morgan is a hostile, fanatical killer, the Merlin is an uncompromising, prideful schemer, Ancient Mai is a harsh traditionalist, [=LaFortier=] is [[spoiler: and as of Turn Coat, was]] a complete ''douche''. They're so set in these ways because they're old wizards who've seen a lot of terrible things that resulted in a rigid, uncompromising organizational doctrine. Now, in ''Turn Coat'', Molly talks about mind control, and notes that if she were to manipulate someone's mind, she wouldn't be overt about it; she'd use subtle methodology, to push someone who is naturally of a particular persuasion further along that path, i.e. making someone who likes to fight more prone to fighting, or someone who is a schemer more prone to scheming. Now, consider the fact that [[spoiler: Peabody was drugging the inks he used for years, possibly decades, or maybe even ''centuries'' to subtly mind-control many of the Council]]. Now look at the characterization of the Council again. JimButcher, you are a ''magnificent'' bastard.

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* The Council has always been characterized as being filled with reactionary {{Jerkass}}es who are fanatical and unreasonable and unwilling to swerve or compromise. Morgan is a hostile, fanatical killer, the Merlin is an uncompromising, prideful schemer, Ancient Mai is a harsh traditionalist, [=LaFortier=] is [[spoiler: and as of Turn Coat, was]] a complete ''douche''. They're so set in these ways because they're old wizards who've seen a lot of terrible things that resulted in a rigid, uncompromising organizational doctrine. Now, in ''Turn Coat'', Molly talks about mind control, and notes that if she were to manipulate someone's mind, she wouldn't be overt about it; she'd use subtle methodology, to push someone who is naturally of a particular persuasion further along that path, i.e. making someone who likes to fight more prone to fighting, or someone who is a schemer more prone to scheming. Now, consider the fact that [[spoiler: Peabody was drugging the inks he used for years, possibly decades, or maybe even ''centuries'' to subtly mind-control many of the Council]]. Now look at the characterization of the Council again. JimButcher, Creator/JimButcher, you are a ''magnificent'' bastard.



* Harry talks a lot about how life is all about pain, experiencing it, getting through it, and learning from it. Now, given JimButcher's WordOfGod that he's going to take whatever path makes Harry suffer more, it seems ''really'' obvious that this would mean [[spoiler:keeping him alive]].

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* Harry talks a lot about how life is all about pain, experiencing it, getting through it, and learning from it. Now, given JimButcher's Creator/JimButcher's WordOfGod that he's going to take whatever path makes Harry suffer more, it seems ''really'' obvious that this would mean [[spoiler:keeping him alive]].
3rd Oct '17 6:12:10 PM MasterFuzzy
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** And ''Aftermath'' is Murphy's notes that he added in, maybe as a lesson to future readers not to underestimate a BadassNormal.

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** And ''Aftermath'' is and ''Even Hand'' are Murphy's and Marcone's notes that he somehow acquired and added in, maybe as a lesson to future readers not to underestimate a BadassNormal.



** As for Harry's old-fashioned habits of chivalry towards women, remember that he was raised by 1) a stage magician, whose mannerisms on-stage were probably a bit formal and "courtly" because that's what was expected of illusionists at the time; 2) a Warden, who was a strict old-school disciplinarian; and 3) a cantankerous old coot more than two hundred years old. How could he ''not'' have learned an antiquated set of manners?

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** As for Harry's old-fashioned habits of chivalry towards women, remember that he was raised by 1) a stage magician, whose mannerisms on-stage were probably a bit formal and "courtly" because that's what was expected of illusionists at the time; 2) a Warden, who was a strict old-school disciplinarian; and 3) a cantankerous old coot more than two about three hundred years old. old (according to WordOfGod). How could he ''not'' have learned an antiquated set of manners?manners?


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** Furthermore, if you do investigate and don't get killed, chances are you'll want to learn at least a bit of magic to protect yourself from what's out there (and/or because magic is just plain cool). Which then makes you ''part'' of TheMasquerade!
28th Aug '17 4:27:19 AM MasterFuzzy
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* Harry takes Ebenezar's role as the Blackstaff as a betrayal. He wonders how the man who taught him all about how magic was the stuff of Life could also be the White Council's black ops man. However, it's precisely ''because'' Ebenezar believed in those things that he was the Blackstaff. Someone with a Warden's mentality is second only to an out-and-out evil psychopath for people who should ''not'' wield the Blackstaff. But a true believer, someone who believes in the Life of magic, and is willing to fight, kill if need be, to protect it. That's who you want. Such considerations add new depth to why [=McCoy=] didn't want to be on the Senior Council all those years, and perhaps why the Merlin didn't want him there either. All other political and personality-clash issues aside, and morally suspect as it is to have a Blackstaff at all, it's even more morally-dubious to have the Council's secret hitman ''voting on'' decisions regarding whom he should kill, rather than acting solely at the behest of others.

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* Harry takes Ebenezar's role as the Blackstaff as a betrayal. He wonders how the man who taught him all about how magic was the stuff of Life could also be the White Council's black ops man. However, it's precisely ''because'' Ebenezar believed in those things that he was the Blackstaff. Someone with a Warden's mentality is second only to an out-and-out evil psychopath for people who should ''not'' wield the Blackstaff. But a true believer, someone who believes in the Life of magic, and is willing to fight, kill if need be, to protect it.it, and [[TheFettered will limit themselves]]. That's who you want. Such considerations add new depth to why [=McCoy=] didn't want to be on the Senior Council all those years, and perhaps why the Merlin didn't want him there either. All other political and personality-clash issues aside, and morally suspect as it is to have a Blackstaff at all, it's even more morally-dubious to have the Council's secret hitman ''voting on'' decisions regarding whom he should kill, rather than acting solely at the behest of others.
22nd Aug '17 2:30:08 PM MasterFuzzy
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* In retrospect, it becomes clear that of the terrible choices Harry could have made in "Changes" (Mad, the Darkhallow, or the Denarians), he not only made the best choice, but also the only choice that would have actually worked. The Darkhallow would not have worked because [[spoiler: it was not Halloween, and thus he would not have ascended, just ended up killing a whole lot of innocents for nothing, since if he couldn't ascend, then all that power would only have made him explode.]] Taking up a Denarius would also not have worked because [[spoiler:the only one he would even have a hope of calling on in time is Lasciel's, and as we saw, she was so pissed at him she lied to get him to kill himself. Even if she ''might'' have been willing to agree, between her and his spirit of intellect daughter, there would not have been enough room in his brain (he'd already been having headaches for years, and that was with her limiting herself), which would likely have exploded from having ''two'' insanely strong spiritual beings in it.]] Given this, taking up the Winter Knight's mantle is the ONLY move that wasn't futile or instantly going to kill him.

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* In retrospect, it becomes clear that of the terrible choices Harry could have made in "Changes" (Mad, (Mab, the Darkhallow, or the Denarians), he not only made the best choice, but also the only choice that would have actually worked. The Darkhallow would not have worked because [[spoiler: it was not Halloween, and thus he would not have ascended, just ended up killing a whole lot of innocents for nothing, since if he couldn't ascend, then all that power would only have made him explode.]] Taking up a Denarius would also not have worked because [[spoiler:the only one he would even have a hope of calling on in time is Lasciel's, and as we saw, she was so pissed at him she lied to get him to kill himself. Even if she ''might'' have been willing to agree, between her and his spirit of intellect daughter, there would not have been enough room in his brain (he'd already been having headaches for years, and that was with her limiting herself), which would likely have exploded from having ''two'' insanely strong spiritual beings in it.]] Given this, taking up the Winter Knight's mantle is the ONLY move that wasn't futile or instantly going to kill him.



* In ''Summer Knight'' Lloyd Slate is a rapist and murderer, and hung around Maeve's court. Maeve--no less a bitch herself- regularly had the changeling kids dragged into her Court...

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* In ''Summer Knight'' Lloyd Slate is a rapist and murderer, and hung around Maeve's court. Maeve--no less a bitch herself- regularly had the changeling kids dragged into her Court... This is all but confirmed in ''Proven Guilty.''



* In ''Ghost Story,'' we get to see the aftereffects of his decision on many of Harry's friends and family...but imagine what Ebenezar would've felt like. From a pragmatic point of view, he's lost probably one of his strongest allies in the Grey Council. From an emotional point of view, he's got a heap of guilt for driving away Maggie and probably a bunch more on not taking in Harry after Malcolm died (how much is deserved is debatable), but now his daughter's dead, and his grandson is as well without any goodbye, or even a funeral that he could've visited, and his only living family is the great-granddaughter he'll never be able to know. And to pile it all on top, we ''still'' haven't seen Harry talk to him yet.

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* In ''Ghost Story,'' we get to see the aftereffects of his decision on many of Harry's friends and family...but imagine what Ebenezar would've felt like. From a pragmatic point of view, he's lost probably one of his strongest allies in the Grey Council. From an emotional point of view, he's got a heap of guilt for driving away Maggie and probably a bunch more on not taking in Harry after Malcolm died (how much is deserved is debatable), but now [[spoiler: his daughter's dead, and his grandson grandson]] is as well without any goodbye, or even a funeral that he could've visited, and [[spoiler: his only living family is the great-granddaughter he'll never be able to know. know.]] And to pile it all on top, we ''still'' haven't seen Harry talk to him yet.
20th Aug '17 12:32:49 AM Lightning4119
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* Ebenezar is clearly reluctant to talk to Harry about being the Blackstaff, remarking that telling Harry the truth could get him killed. But it's not ''just'' his status as the Blackstaff that he's afraid of Harry finding out - he doesn't want Harry to know that he's [[spoiler: Ebenezar's grandson,]] as it would paint an enormous target on Harry's back if anyone found out.


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** There's also Charity's probable awareness of [[DatingWhatDaddyHates Molly's crush on Harry.]]


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* As mentioned in FridgeHorror below, it's awfully lucky that Rashid was present at Molly's trial to stall via BotheringByTheBook until Michael's God-given great timing kicked in. Considering the man can ''see across time'', Rashid knew darn well where and when he had to be to make a difference.
14th Aug '17 5:14:03 PM MasterFuzzy
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* When Thomas wishes Harry a happy birthday in ''Dead Beat'', he also remarks that he was a bit surprised he'd remembered to do so. At first, it seems like they've just been too busy to think about things like that. But when you stop to consider how Margaret Dresden died, you realized that Thomas could '''never''' forget Halloween's significance to their family, because for him, it's [[spoiler: ''the day his father murdered his mother'']]. So what surprised him was probably ''not'' that he'd remembered the date of Harry's birthday, but rather, that he'd remembered Harry considers it a day of birthday celebration, and [[spoiler: not grief for their Mom]].

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* When Thomas wishes Harry a happy birthday in ''Dead Beat'', he also remarks that he was a bit surprised he'd remembered to do so. At first, it seems like they've just been too busy to think about things like that. But when you stop to consider how Margaret Dresden died, you realized that Thomas could '''never''' forget Halloween's significance to their family, because for him, it's [[spoiler: ''the day his father murdered his mother'']]. So what surprised him was probably ''not'' that he'd remembered the date of Harry's birthday, but rather, that he'd remembered Harry considers it a day of birthday celebration, and [[spoiler: not grief for their Mom]].Mom]].
* In ''Ghost Story,'' we get to see the aftereffects of his decision on many of Harry's friends and family...but imagine what Ebenezar would've felt like. From a pragmatic point of view, he's lost probably one of his strongest allies in the Grey Council. From an emotional point of view, he's got a heap of guilt for driving away Maggie and probably a bunch more on not taking in Harry after Malcolm died (how much is deserved is debatable), but now his daughter's dead, and his grandson is as well without any goodbye, or even a funeral that he could've visited, and his only living family is the great-granddaughter he'll never be able to know. And to pile it all on top, we ''still'' haven't seen Harry talk to him yet.
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