History Fridge / TheBreakfastClub

5th Oct '17 10:34:09 AM mouschilight
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** There's nobody there except the kids, Carl and Vernon. Carl has his own job to do and Vernon hates his job- he's there on a Saturday, who wouldn't? But he doesn't care enough to actually do a good job, nor does he care what they get up to. He just wants it to be over so he can go home. The only time he interfered was when he overheard a noise, like Bender falling through the ceiling, or when he caught them in the act, like Bender in the gymnasium.

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** There's nobody there except the kids, Carl and Vernon. Carl has his own job to do and Vernon hates his job- he's job--he's there on a Saturday, who wouldn't? But he doesn't care enough to actually do a good job, nor does he care what they get up to. He just wants it to be over so he can go home. The only time he interfered was when he overheard a noise, like Bender falling through the ceiling, or when he caught them in the act, like Bender in the gymnasium.
5th Oct '17 10:32:46 AM mouschilight
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* This one didn't occur to me until nearly 20 years after the initial release of the film. When the gang gets to lunchtime, Bender immediately goes around asking people what they've got for lunch and ridiculing the stuff they've got. He then moves off to sit somewhere else. He doesn't eat lunch. On reflection, given he's basically from an abusive household, ''of course they wouldn't have packed his lunch for him.'' That's why he fronts the other about their lunches -- he's trying to distract them from the fact he hasn't got any.

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* This one didn't occur to me until nearly 20 twenty years after the initial release of the film. When the gang gets to lunchtime, Bender immediately goes around asking people what they've got for lunch and ridiculing the stuff they've got. He then moves off to sit somewhere else. He doesn't eat lunch. On reflection, given he's basically from an abusive household, ''of course they wouldn't have packed his lunch for him.'' That's why he fronts the other about their lunches -- he's lunches--he's trying to distract them from the fact that he hasn't got any.



* The IronicEcho used in the movie "You don't even count. You could disappear forever, and it wouldn't make any difference. You might as well not even exist at this school." First in the beginning of the movie Andy says it to Bender. If you watch Creator/JuddNelson's face, you can see some hurt that, now that I think about it, is very much intentional. So Bender fires something back and they all move on. Next, near the end of the movie when Bender sarcastically makes fun of Claire's lipstick-talent-thingy. Andy scolds Bender for saying such mean things. Then Bender repeats what Andy had said to him, first to point out how hypocritical he is for even saying that, but then you realize ''it really did hurt Bender'', what Andy previously said. It doesn't matter how tough you may or may not be, words tend to stick and hurt and last. Almost FreudianExcuse-like, but it brings it back to Bender always crying out for attention. He wants people to notice if he is there or not, if he is okay; it's human nature. And the only way he knows how is to act out and be a total jerk!

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* The IronicEcho used in the movie "You don't even count. You could disappear If you disappeared forever, and it wouldn't make any difference. You might may as well not even exist at this school." First in the beginning of the movie Andy says it to Bender. If you watch Creator/JuddNelson's face, you can see some hurt that, now that I think about it, is very much intentional. So Bender fires something back and they all move on. Next, near the end of the movie when Bender sarcastically makes fun of Claire's lipstick-talent-thingy. Andy scolds Bender for saying such mean things. Then Bender repeats what Andy had said to him, first to point out how hypocritical he is for even saying that, but then you realize ''it really did hurt Bender'', what Andy previously said. It doesn't matter how tough you may or may not be, words tend to stick and hurt and last. Almost FreudianExcuse-like, but it brings it back to Bender always crying out for attention. He wants people to notice if he is there or not, if he is okay; it's human nature. And the only way he knows how is to act out and be a total jerk!



** Another one from the scene with Allison being dropped off. The car stops for Bender, and Allison gets out, then the car stops for a second, with Allison standing there....''then'', the moment she tries to move toward the front window, it drives off. Allison's parents aren't just ignoring her, they're ''actively avoiding'' her, and making it blatant to her. That poor kid.

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** Another one from the scene with Allison being dropped off. The car stops for Bender, and Allison gets out, then the car stops for a second, with Allison standing there....there...''then'', the moment she tries to move toward the front window, it drives off. Allison's parents aren't just ignoring her, they're ''actively avoiding'' her, and making it blatant to her. That poor kid.



* When you combine Vernon's attitude towards his job, the dysfunctional/abusive backgrounds of all the kids, and the disrepair of Shermer High as seen in the opening--messy tables, ashes on the floor, etc.--it'll eventually hit you in the face that is as much a CrapsackWorld as ''Franchise//NeonGenesisEvangelion''.

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* When you combine Vernon's attitude towards his job, the dysfunctional/abusive backgrounds of all the kids, and the disrepair of Shermer High as seen in the opening--messy tables, ashes on the floor, etc.--it'll eventually hit you in the face that is as much a CrapsackWorld as ''Franchise//NeonGenesisEvangelion''.''Franchise/NeonGenesisEvangelion''.



** Also remember this took place pre-Columbine in the mid-1980s, before people really began to take kids bringing guns to school seriously. They were probably just dismissive because "oh it was only a flare gun, and he had it in his locker and didn't hurt anyone" so just a slap on the wrist and a detention.

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** Also remember this took place pre-Columbine pre-UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} in the mid-1980s, before people really began to take kids bringing guns to school seriously. They were probably just dismissive because "oh it was only a flare gun, and he had it in his locker and didn't hurt anyone" so just a slap on the wrist and a detention.



** It's also entirely possible that they genuinely don't see it as being cruel at all. After all, we live in a society that tells people that if you work hard and achieve, you can get whatever you want. Obviously that isn't true but it's still something people willingly buy in to, and there are probably thousands of cases of parents who pressured children through school because to them, a higher grade=better future. And who's to say they know they're the root cause of Brian's detention? He was probably pissing himself at the thought of having to tell his parents he'd be spending a Saturday in detention without mentioning what the exact cause of it was...
* It seems odd that kids in -detention- are left entirely unsupervised for large portions of the movie. Even in the mid-1980s.

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** It's also entirely possible that they genuinely don't see it as being cruel at all. After all, we live in a society that tells people that if you work hard and achieve, you can get whatever you want. Obviously that isn't true but it's still something people willingly buy in to, and there are probably thousands of cases of parents who pressured children through school because to them, a higher grade=better grade equates to a better future. And who's to say they know they're the root cause of Brian's detention? He was probably pissing himself at the thought of having to tell his parents he'd be spending a Saturday in detention without mentioning what the exact cause of it was...
* It seems odd that kids in -detention- '''detention''' are left entirely unsupervised for large portions of the movie. Even in the mid-1980s.
5th Oct '17 10:23:38 AM mouschilight
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* I noticed when the group is talking in a circle that Bender seems really disengaged. He's almost always seen looking away and not really contributing. What I found interest/ironic was that throughout the whole film, he seems to look down on Brian the most. Bender doesn't like Andy, but he takes him more seriously, somewhat like Claire. As for Allison he doesn't seem to mind her. What got me is when Brian is talking about the gun and his DriveToSuicide attempt. You can see at this point Bender doesn't look condescendingly towards him anymore, and this is because Bender is the one most likely to commit suicide. He finally related to him on a level that no one else could.

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* I noticed when the group is talking in a circle that Bender seems really disengaged. He's almost always seen looking away and not really contributing. What I found interest/ironic was that throughout the whole film, he seems to look down on Brian the most. Bender doesn't like Andy, but he takes him more seriously, somewhat like Claire. As for Allison he doesn't seem to mind her. What got me is when Brian is talking about the gun and his DriveToSuicide DrivenToSuicide attempt. You can see at this point Bender doesn't look condescendingly towards him anymore, and this is because Bender is the one most likely to commit suicide. He finally related to him on a level that no one else could.
5th Oct '17 10:21:46 AM mouschilight
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* If you consider that Brian is basically the narrator of the film (except at the end), the song "Don't You (Forget About Me)" being the theme actually makes a lot of sense. Brian was the one in the group who brought up the concern about no one staying friends on Monday, so of course he's going to be concerned about being forgotten. Also, as the nerd, he's the most likely (apart from Allison) to not be remembered. Finally, at the end of the film, every character narrating signifies that no one wants to be forgotten by each other. Quite touching/sad really.

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* If you consider that Brian is basically the narrator of the film (except film, except at the end), end, the song "Don't You (Forget About Me)" being the theme actually makes a lot of sense. Brian was the one in the group who brought up the concern about no one staying friends on Monday, so of course he's going to be concerned about being forgotten. Also, as the nerd, he's the most likely (apart likely, apart from Allison) Allison, to not be remembered. Finally, at the end of the film, every character narrating signifies that no one wants to be forgotten by each other. Quite touching/sad really.



*** He probably didn't have any chance. Or nothing to bring for lunch (neglectful parents, too).
** It pretty much matches up with the concept that bullies are often the ones crying out for attention. Bender is a complete jerk, but if you look at it closely enough, he deliberately pushes discussions hard enough that the other kids eventually have to react - like the point where he eventually blows up after showing the cigarette burns his father gave him. Vernon doesn't notice because he's the authoritarian, and had probably dealt with hundreds of people like Bender, but the other kids do. On the one hand, Bender doesn't want to talk about his issues - which is why he deflects stuff. On the other, he probably does want to let it out. It doesn't excuse the way he treats pretty much everyone in the film except Allison, but it's a likely explanation. Even his somewhat triumphant pose at the end could be down to the fact that he just might have some people there for him, now - as well as being just a little iconic.
* The ironic echo used in the movie "You don't even count. You could disappear forever, and it wouldn't make any difference. You might as well not even exist at this school." First in the beginning of the movie Andy says it to Bender. If you watch Judd Nelson's face, you can see some hurt that, now that I think about it, is very much intentional. So Bender fires something back and they all move on. Next, near the end of the movie when Bender sarcastically makes fun of Claire's lipstick-talent-thingy. Andy scolds Bender for saying such mean things. Then Bender repeats what Andy had said to him, first to point out how hypocritical he is for even saying that, but then you realize ''it really did hurt Bender'', what Andy said. It doesn't matter how tough you may or may not be, words tend to stick and hurt and last. Almost Freudian excuse like, but it brings it back to Bender always crying out for attention. He wants people to notice if he is there or not, if he is okay; it's human nature. And the only way he knows how is to act out and be a total jerks!"
** I was listening for post-production audio echo after reading this (there isn't any). Clever repetition though, yes.

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*** He probably didn't have any chance. Or nothing to bring for lunch (neglectful parents, too).lunch, considering he has neglectful parents.
** It pretty much matches up with the concept that bullies are often the ones [[AttentionWhore crying out for attention. attention]]. Bender is a complete jerk, but if you look at it closely enough, he deliberately pushes discussions hard enough that the other kids eventually have to react - like react--like the point where he eventually blows up after showing the cigarette burns his father gave him. Vernon doesn't notice because he's the authoritarian, and had probably dealt with hundreds of people like Bender, but the other kids do. On the one hand, Bender doesn't want to talk about his issues - which issues--which is why he deflects stuff. On the other, he probably does want to let it out. It doesn't excuse the way he treats pretty much everyone in the film except Allison, but it's a likely explanation. Even his somewhat triumphant pose at the end could be down to the fact that he just might have some people there for him, now - as now--as well as being just a little iconic.
* The ironic echo IronicEcho used in the movie "You don't even count. You could disappear forever, and it wouldn't make any difference. You might as well not even exist at this school." First in the beginning of the movie Andy says it to Bender. If you watch Judd Nelson's Creator/JuddNelson's face, you can see some hurt that, now that I think about it, is very much intentional. So Bender fires something back and they all move on. Next, near the end of the movie when Bender sarcastically makes fun of Claire's lipstick-talent-thingy. Andy scolds Bender for saying such mean things. Then Bender repeats what Andy had said to him, first to point out how hypocritical he is for even saying that, but then you realize ''it really did hurt Bender'', what Andy previously said. It doesn't matter how tough you may or may not be, words tend to stick and hurt and last. Almost Freudian excuse like, FreudianExcuse-like, but it brings it back to Bender always crying out for attention. He wants people to notice if he is there or not, if he is okay; it's human nature. And the only way he knows how is to act out and be a total jerks!"
jerk!
** I was listening for post-production audio echo after reading this (there this--there isn't any).any. Clever repetition though, yes.



* On the topic of Carl, the movie is about breaking down social barriers and features characters that are all ranked differently on the school hierarchy. Andy is at the top (as a representative of the school), Claire is a step below, Bender is in the middle, Brian is on the lower end and Allison is at the bottom (being ignored by everyone). Carl is there to show that you shouldn't waste time worrying about who society says you ''should'' care about and just be friends with who you want. This also extends to family, as the five characters have dreadful parents yet are expected to maintain close relationships with them because of blood ties.
* The main page points out Allison's nature as an attention whore but also states that she doesn't realize that she's doing it, which is arguably the entire point of her characterization. She ''is'' an attention whore like Bender, just in more subtle ways at first. She gradually opens up, says things that she ''thinks'' will make Andy interested, proceeds to work her way into conversations, and then explicitly reveals why, in that her parents ignore her. So she ''is'' an attention whore, but not in the traditional sense of usually being spoiled for attention and the like - she's merely ''overcompensating'' to make people take notice, which her story regarding her therapist makes entirely clear; She's also a ''pathological liar'', which also suggests that if her parents ever ''did'' ask her if she was okay, she could tell them she was fine because the damage was already done, and explains her tall tales about drinking to Andy.

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* On the topic of Carl, the movie is about breaking down social barriers and features characters that are all ranked differently on the school hierarchy. Andy is at the top (as as a representative of the school), school, Claire is a step below, Bender is in the middle, Brian is on the lower end and Allison is at the bottom (being as she is ignored by everyone).everyone. Carl is there to show that you shouldn't waste time worrying about who society says you ''should'' care about and just be friends with who you want. This also extends to family, as the five characters have dreadful parents yet are expected to maintain close relationships with them because of blood ties.
* The main page points out Allison's nature as an attention whore AttentionWhore but also states that she doesn't realize that she's doing it, which is arguably the entire point of her characterization. She ''is'' an attention whore AttentionWhore like Bender, just in more subtle ways at first. She gradually opens up, says things that she ''thinks'' will make Andy interested, proceeds to work her way into conversations, and then explicitly reveals why, in that her parents ignore her. So she ''is'' an attention whore, AttentionWhore, but not in the traditional sense of usually being spoiled for attention and the like - she's like--she's merely ''overcompensating'' to make people take notice, which her story regarding her therapist makes entirely clear; clear. She's also a ''pathological liar'', which also suggests that if her parents ever ''did'' ask her if she was okay, she could tell them she was fine because the damage was already done, and explains her tall tales tall-tales to Andy about drinking to Andy.vodka whenever she wanted.



** Playing fast and loose with etmology there, perhaps. "breakfast" literally means to "break the fast" that you've endured overnight since the last night's meal. However, in communities that live in close quarters, it was generally true that breakfast would be the first mealtime of the day that everyone would be together.
* Maybe everyone realizes this one by now, but regarding Bender's life, you have to wonder what keeps him going. His life at school is horrible: bad grades, principal and teachers don't like him, and it appears that the rest of school doesn't either, going by what [[DeanBitterman Vernon]] told him ("You're a lying sack of shit and everyone knows it"), his life at home is [[ParentalAbandonment even]] [[AbusiveParents worse]] (and speaking from personal experience, this may explain the bad grades), he doesn't seem to have any ambition for himself, so it begs the question of how does he go on? [[TrueCompanions His friends.]] Sadly, we only get a glimpse into the dynamic between his relationship with them, but watch how ''defensive'' he gets when Claire says they would laugh at him for being seen with her. It also marks one of the few times in the movie where he genuinely gets angry as opposed to just acting [[SmugSnake cocky]] or [[JerkAss disrespectful.]]

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** Playing fast and loose with etmology etymology there, perhaps. "breakfast" "Breakfast" literally means to "break the fast" that you've endured overnight since the last night's meal. However, in communities that live in close quarters, it was generally true that breakfast would be the first mealtime of the day that everyone would be together.
* Maybe everyone realizes this one by now, but regarding Bender's life, you have to wonder what keeps him going. His life at school is horrible: bad grades, principal and teachers don't like him, and it appears that the rest of school doesn't either, going by what [[DeanBitterman Vernon]] told him ("You're him--"You're a lying sack of shit and everyone knows it"), his it"--his life at home is [[ParentalAbandonment even]] [[AbusiveParents worse]] (and speaking from personal experience, this worse]]--which may explain the bad grades), he grades--he doesn't seem to have any ambition for himself, so it begs the question of how does he go on? [[TrueCompanions His friends.]] friends]]. Sadly, we only get a glimpse into the dynamic between his relationship with them, but watch how ''defensive'' he gets when Claire says they would laugh at him for being seen with her. It also marks one of the few times in the movie where he genuinely gets angry as opposed to just acting [[SmugSnake cocky]] or [[JerkAss disrespectful.]]disrespectful]].



* When Andy unpacks his lunch, piece-by-piece, he does something odd. He first unpacks his four sandwiches and milk, then makes as though to put his bag away, then slowly takes out two pieces of fruit. While might seem like a tiny moment of comic relief, it's actually extremely telling of his life - not only did Andy not pack his own lunch, ''he had no idea what was in it''. Andy is so disconnected from control of his own life, he can't even decide what he eats. Prize racehorse indeed.
* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover most likely really does symbolize her showing her true self, especially with Andrew saying "I can see your face." [[UnnecessaryMakeover Though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]].

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* When Andy unpacks his lunch, piece-by-piece, he does something odd. He first unpacks his four sandwiches and milk, then makes as though to put his bag away, then slowly takes out two pieces of fruit. While might seem like a tiny moment of comic relief, it's actually extremely telling of his life - not life--not only did Andy not pack his own lunch, ''he had no idea what was in it''. Andy is so disconnected from control of his own life, he can't even decide what he eats. Prize racehorse indeed.
* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) actress, Ally Sheedy, looked in real life. So her makeover most likely really does symbolize her showing her true self, especially with Andrew saying "I can see your face." [[UnnecessaryMakeover Though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]].



* Pay close attention to the opening and the kids arriving with their parents; At first glance, Bender almost gets run down by Allison's parents because he's walking into the road. Looking closer, Bender is ''already crossing the road'' when he nearly gets driven into - Allison's parents making an incredibly abrupt stop. FridgeHorror kicks in when you realize that if Allison's parents don't care about her, why would they care about or notice anyone else's kids?

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* Pay close attention to the opening and the kids arriving with their parents; At first glance, Bender almost gets run down by Allison's parents because he's walking into the road. Looking closer, Bender is ''already crossing the road'' when he nearly gets driven into - Allison's into--Allison's parents making an incredibly abrupt stop. FridgeHorror kicks in when you realize that if Allison's parents don't care about her, why would they care about or notice anyone else's kids?



** Another one from the scene with Allison being dropped off. The car stops for Bender, and Allison gets out, then the car stops for a second, with Allison standing there.... ''then'', the moment she tries to move toward the front window, it drives off. Allison's parents aren't just ignoring her, they're '''actively avoiding''' her, and making it blatant to her. That poor kid.
* I noticed when the group is talking in a circle that Bender seems really disengaged. He's almost always seen looking away and not really contributing. What I found interest/ironic was that throughout the whole film, he seems to look down on Brian the most. Bender doesn't like Andy, but he takes him more seriously, somewhat like Claire. As for Allison he doesn't seem to mind her. What got me is when Brian is talking about the gun and his potential suicide. You can see at this point Bender doesn't look condescendingly towards him anymore, and this is because Bender is the one most likely to commit suicide. He finally related to him on a level that no one else could.

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** Another one from the scene with Allison being dropped off. The car stops for Bender, and Allison gets out, then the car stops for a second, with Allison standing there.... ''then'', the moment she tries to move toward the front window, it drives off. Allison's parents aren't just ignoring her, they're '''actively avoiding''' ''actively avoiding'' her, and making it blatant to her. That poor kid.
* I noticed when the group is talking in a circle that Bender seems really disengaged. He's almost always seen looking away and not really contributing. What I found interest/ironic was that throughout the whole film, he seems to look down on Brian the most. Bender doesn't like Andy, but he takes him more seriously, somewhat like Claire. As for Allison he doesn't seem to mind her. What got me is when Brian is talking about the gun and his potential suicide.DriveToSuicide attempt. You can see at this point Bender doesn't look condescendingly towards him anymore, and this is because Bender is the one most likely to commit suicide. He finally related to him on a level that no one else could.



** As big as the library is, the pot smell will more than likely disappear before too long. Allison could've also had an aerosol deodorant spray or frebreze in her bag to cover up the smell as well. Bender also smoked a cigarette in the room at the beginning of the movie, and Vernon didn't say anything. Unless smoked habitually in an area, cigarette smoke lingers on more than weed smoke.
** And what makes you think that Brian's parents would even recognise pot smoke?
* When you combine Vernon's attitude towards his job, the dysfunctional/abusive backgrounds of all the kids, and the disrepair of Shermer High as seen in the opening (messy tables, ashes on the floor, etc.), it'll eventually hit you in the face that is as much a CrapsackWorld as ''{{Anime/Neon Genesis Evangelion}}''.

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** As big as the library is, the pot smell will more than likely disappear before too long. Allison could've also had an aerosol deodorant spray or frebreze Febreze in her bag to cover up the smell as well. Bender also smoked a cigarette in the room at the beginning of the movie, and Vernon didn't say anything. Unless smoked habitually in an area, cigarette smoke lingers on more than weed smoke.
** And what makes you think that Brian's parents would even recognise recognize pot smoke?
* When you combine Vernon's attitude towards his job, the dysfunctional/abusive backgrounds of all the kids, and the disrepair of Shermer High as seen in the opening (messy opening--messy tables, ashes on the floor, etc.), it'll --it'll eventually hit you in the face that is as much a CrapsackWorld as ''{{Anime/Neon Genesis Evangelion}}''.''Franchise//NeonGenesisEvangelion''.



** Also remember this took place pre-Columbine in the 80's, before people really began to take kids bringing guns to school seriously. They were probably just dismissive because "oh it was only a flare gun, and he had it in his locker and didn't hurt anyone" so just a slap on the wrist and a detention.

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** Also remember this took place pre-Columbine in the 80's, mid-1980s, before people really began to take kids bringing guns to school seriously. They were probably just dismissive because "oh it was only a flare gun, and he had it in his locker and didn't hurt anyone" so just a slap on the wrist and a detention.



** TruthInTelevision. Parents like Brian's aren't always reasonable. There are plenty of cases like his in RealLife where parents just don't understand how cruel their levels of pressure ''are'' - or who, for any number of reasons, genuinely believe that cruelty is better for their child in the long run.

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** TruthInTelevision. Parents like Brian's aren't always reasonable. There are plenty of cases like his in RealLife where parents just don't understand how cruel their levels of pressure ''are'' - or ''are''--or who, for any number of reasons, genuinely believe that cruelty is better for their child in the long run.



* It seems odd that kids in -detention- are left entirely unsupervised for large portions of the movie. Even in the 80s.
** There's nobody there except the kids, Carl and Vernon. Carl has his own job to do and Vernon hates his job- he's there on a Saturday, who wouldn't? But he doesn't care enough to actually do a good job, nor does he care what they get up to. He just wants it to be over so he can go home. The only time he interfered was when he overheard a noise (like Bender falling through the ceiling) or when he caught them in the act (Bender in the gymnasium).

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* It seems odd that kids in -detention- are left entirely unsupervised for large portions of the movie. Even in the 80s.
mid-1980s.
** There's nobody there except the kids, Carl and Vernon. Carl has his own job to do and Vernon hates his job- he's there on a Saturday, who wouldn't? But he doesn't care enough to actually do a good job, nor does he care what they get up to. He just wants it to be over so he can go home. The only time he interfered was when he overheard a noise (like noise, like Bender falling through the ceiling) ceiling, or when he caught them in the act (Bender act, like Bender in the gymnasium).gymnasium.
3rd Oct '17 7:11:25 PM mouschilight
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* If you consider that Brian is basically the narrator of the film (except at the end), the song Don't You (Forget About Me) being the theme actually makes a lot of sense. Brian was the one in the group who brought up the concern about no one staying friends on Monday, so of course he's going to be concerned about being forgotten. Also, as the nerd, he's the most likely (apart from Allison) to not be remembered. Finally, at the end of the film, every character narrating signifies that no one wants to be forgotten by each other. Quite touching/sad really.

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* If you consider that Brian is basically the narrator of the film (except at the end), the song Don't "Don't You (Forget About Me) Me)" being the theme actually makes a lot of sense. Brian was the one in the group who brought up the concern about no one staying friends on Monday, so of course he's going to be concerned about being forgotten. Also, as the nerd, he's the most likely (apart from Allison) to not be remembered. Finally, at the end of the film, every character narrating signifies that no one wants to be forgotten by each other. Quite touching/sad really.



* The ironic echo used in the movie "You don't even count. You could disappear forever, and it wouldn't make any difference. You might as well not even exist at this school." First in the beginning of the movie Andy says it to Bender. If you watch Judd Nelson's face, you can see some hurt that, now that I think about it, is very much intentional. So Bender fires something back and they all move on. Next, near the end of the movie when Bender sarcastically makes fun of Claire's lipstick-talent-thingy. Andy scolds Bender for saying such mean things. Then Bender repeats what Andy had said to him, first to point out how hypocritical he is for even saying that, but then you realize "it really did hurt Bender, what Andy said. It doesn't matter how tough you may or may not be, words tend to stick and hurt and last. Almost Freudian excuse like, but it brings it back to Bender always crying out for attention. He wants people to notice if he is there or not, if he is okay; it's human nature. And the only way he knows how is to act out and be a total jerks!"

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* The ironic echo used in the movie "You don't even count. You could disappear forever, and it wouldn't make any difference. You might as well not even exist at this school." First in the beginning of the movie Andy says it to Bender. If you watch Judd Nelson's face, you can see some hurt that, now that I think about it, is very much intentional. So Bender fires something back and they all move on. Next, near the end of the movie when Bender sarcastically makes fun of Claire's lipstick-talent-thingy. Andy scolds Bender for saying such mean things. Then Bender repeats what Andy had said to him, first to point out how hypocritical he is for even saying that, but then you realize "it ''it really did hurt Bender, Bender'', what Andy said. It doesn't matter how tough you may or may not be, words tend to stick and hurt and last. Almost Freudian excuse like, but it brings it back to Bender always crying out for attention. He wants people to notice if he is there or not, if he is okay; it's human nature. And the only way he knows how is to act out and be a total jerks!"



* On the topic of Carl, the movie is about breaking down social barriers and features characters that are all ranked differently on the school hierarchy. Andy is at the top (as a representative of the school), Claire is a step below, Bender is in the middle, Brian is on the lower end and Alison is at the bottom (being ignored by everyone). Carl is there to show that you shouldn't waste time worrying about who society says you ''should'' care about and just be friends with who you want. This also extends to family, as the five characters have dreadful parents yet are expected to maintain close relationships with them because of blood ties.
* The main page points out Alison's nature as an attention whore but also states that she doesn't realize that she's doing it, which is arguably the entire point of her characterization. She ''is'' an attention whore like Bender, just in more subtle ways at first. She gradually opens up, says things that she ''thinks'' will make Andy interested, proceeds to work her way into conversations, and then explicitly reveals why, in that her parents ignore her. So she ''is'' an attention whore, but not in the traditional sense of usually being spoiled for attention and the like - she's merely ''overcompensating'' to make people take notice, which her story regarding her therapist makes entirely clear; She's also a ''pathological liar'', which also suggests that if her parents ever ''did'' ask her if she was okay, she could tell them she was fine because the damage was already done, and explains her tall tales about drinking to Andy.

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* On the topic of Carl, the movie is about breaking down social barriers and features characters that are all ranked differently on the school hierarchy. Andy is at the top (as a representative of the school), Claire is a step below, Bender is in the middle, Brian is on the lower end and Alison Allison is at the bottom (being ignored by everyone). Carl is there to show that you shouldn't waste time worrying about who society says you ''should'' care about and just be friends with who you want. This also extends to family, as the five characters have dreadful parents yet are expected to maintain close relationships with them because of blood ties.
* The main page points out Alison's Allison's nature as an attention whore but also states that she doesn't realize that she's doing it, which is arguably the entire point of her characterization. She ''is'' an attention whore like Bender, just in more subtle ways at first. She gradually opens up, says things that she ''thinks'' will make Andy interested, proceeds to work her way into conversations, and then explicitly reveals why, in that her parents ignore her. So she ''is'' an attention whore, but not in the traditional sense of usually being spoiled for attention and the like - she's merely ''overcompensating'' to make people take notice, which her story regarding her therapist makes entirely clear; She's also a ''pathological liar'', which also suggests that if her parents ever ''did'' ask her if she was okay, she could tell them she was fine because the damage was already done, and explains her tall tales about drinking to Andy.



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* Pay close attention to the opening and the kids arriving with their parents; At first glance, Bender almost gets run down by Alison's parents because he's walking into the road. Looking closer, Bender is ''already crossing the road'' when he nearly gets driven into - Alison's parents making an incredibly abrupt stop. FridgeHorror kicks in when you realize that if Alison's parents don't care about her, why would they care about or notice anyone else's kids?

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* Pay close attention to the opening and the kids arriving with their parents; At first glance, Bender almost gets run down by Alison's Allison's parents because he's walking into the road. Looking closer, Bender is ''already crossing the road'' when he nearly gets driven into - Alison's Allison's parents making an incredibly abrupt stop. FridgeHorror kicks in when you realize that if Alison's Allison's parents don't care about her, why would they care about or notice anyone else's kids?



** Another one from the scene with Alison being dropped off. The car stops for Bender, and Alison gets out, then the car stops for a second, with Alison standing there.... ''then'', the moment she tries to move toward the front window, it drives off. Alison's parents aren't just ignoring her, they're '''actively avoiding''' her, and making it blatant to her. That poor kid.

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** Another one from the scene with Alison Allison being dropped off. The car stops for Bender, and Alison Allison gets out, then the car stops for a second, with Alison Allison standing there.... ''then'', the moment she tries to move toward the front window, it drives off. Alison's Allison's parents aren't just ignoring her, they're '''actively avoiding''' her, and making it blatant to her. That poor kid.



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** There's nobody there except the kids, Carl and Vernon. Carl has his own job to do and Vernon hates his job- he's there on a Saturday, who wouldn't? But he doesn't care enough to actually do a good job, nor does he care what they get up to. He just wants it to be over so he can go home. The only time he interfered was when he overheard a noise (like Bender falling through the ceiling) or when he caught them in the act (Bender in the gymnasium)

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** There's nobody there except the kids, Carl and Vernon. Carl has his own job to do and Vernon hates his job- he's there on a Saturday, who wouldn't? But he doesn't care enough to actually do a good job, nor does he care what they get up to. He just wants it to be over so he can go home. The only time he interfered was when he overheard a noise (like Bender falling through the ceiling) or when he caught them in the act (Bender in the gymnasium)gymnasium).
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30th Apr '17 9:46:15 AM momur
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** It's also entirely possible that they genuinely don't see it as being cruel at all. After all, we live in a society that tells people that if you work hard and achieve, you can get whatever you want. Obviously that isn't true but it's still something people willingly buy in to, and there are probably thousands of cases of parents who pressured children through school because to them, a higher grade=better future. And who's to say they know they're the root cause of Brian's detention? He was probably pissing himself at the thought of having to tell his parents he'd be spending a Saturday in detention without mentioning what the exact cause of it was...
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* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover most likely really does symbolize her showing her true self, especially with Andrew saying "I can see your face," [[UnnecessaryMakeover Though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]].

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* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover most likely really does symbolize her showing her true self, especially with Andrew saying "I can see your face," face." [[UnnecessaryMakeover Though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]].
15th Dec '16 4:17:55 AM Everlighte
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* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover really does symbolize her showing her true self ([[UnnecessaryMakeover though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]]).

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* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover most likely really does symbolize her showing her true self ([[UnnecessaryMakeover though self, especially with Andrew saying "I can see your face," [[UnnecessaryMakeover Though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]]).
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15th Dec '16 4:16:33 AM Everlighte
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* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover really does symbolize her showing her true self ( [[UnnecessaryMakeover though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]]).

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* In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover really does symbolize her showing her true self ( [[UnnecessaryMakeover ([[UnnecessaryMakeover though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]]).
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*In spite of how controversial Allison's makeover is, if you think about it, in the end she looks exactly how her actor (Ally Sheedy) looked in real life. So her makeover really does symbolize her showing her true self ( [[UnnecessaryMakeover though the light pink/white blouse and bow was too much]]).
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