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8th Jul '16 1:18:39 PM Fireblood
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** Any person can feel that food goes into their stomach to digest there. This really isn't compelling evidence of divine knowledge. Everyone knew this.
8th Jul '16 11:00:13 AM Robinton
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**** The location where Abraham was willing (probably) to sacrifice Issac has been lost to history. Oddly enough, one decent guess is Golgotha - the place Jesus was crucified. (Also note: if the location was remembered, would crucifixions have taken place there? Probably not...) -Robinton
8th Jul '16 9:30:36 AM Robinton
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* In Matthew 17 (the Transfiguration), Jesus takes three disciples onto a high mountain. Moses and Elijah show up. Moses - the great prophet who never got to set foot in the Promised Land while he lived. -{{@/Robinton}}
7th Jun '16 12:01:39 AM ArtemisPal
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* In light of the example above, there is insight into when God ordered Israel to inflict genocide (such as what happened to the Amalekites), extreme as that may be seen. People in those days tended to get caught up in [[[CycleOfRevenge tribal wars that spanned generations]], and there had been a long and bitter feud between the Amalekites and the Israelites; [[TheExtremistWasRight a genocide would stop that completely]] and given the length of the feud it's possible other methods were tried but they failed (also note that the Amalekites were a tribe, like Ghana's Ashanti and Fante tribes, possibly not a race/ethnicity). Also, these people were attacking His chosen, so instead of doing something extreme like killing everybody in the nation but his chosen, [[MakeAnExampleOfThem God only ordered this on a select few when all else failed so the others would leave His people alone and thus peace, or at least co-habitation, was achieved]].

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* In light of the example above, there is insight into when God ordered Israel to inflict genocide (such as what happened to the Amalekites), extreme as that may be seen. People in those days tended to get caught up in [[[CycleOfRevenge [[CycleOfRevenge tribal wars that spanned generations]], and there had been a long and bitter feud between the Amalekites and the Israelites; [[TheExtremistWasRight a genocide would stop that completely]] and given the length of the feud it's possible other methods were tried but they failed (also note that the Amalekites were a tribe, like Ghana's Ashanti and Fante tribes, possibly not a race/ethnicity). Also, these people were attacking His chosen, so instead of doing something extreme like killing everybody in the nation but his chosen, [[MakeAnExampleOfThem God only ordered this on a select few when all else failed so the others would leave His people alone and thus peace, or at least co-habitation, was achieved]].
6th Jun '16 11:51:52 PM ArtemisPal
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* As stated above, God was giving Abraham a SecretTestOfCharacter, which the latter passed. Before he had to carry it out, God stopped him and provided a lamb for sacrifice. Even if that hadn't happened God, being TheOmnipotent, could have easily done something such as reverse time, [[BackFromTheDead bring Issac back to life]] or prevent the knife from penetrating his skin to name a few.

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* **** As stated above, God was giving Abraham a SecretTestOfCharacter, which the latter passed. Before he had to carry it out, God stopped him and provided a lamb for sacrifice. Even if that hadn't happened God, being TheOmnipotent, could have easily done something such as reverse time, [[BackFromTheDead bring Issac back to life]] or prevent the knife from penetrating his skin to name a few.
6th Jun '16 11:51:27 PM ArtemisPal
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*** Even then, God still offered reconciliation, after the numerous times Israel cheated on Him.

* In light of the example above, there is insight into when God ordered Israel to inflict genocide (such as what happened to the Amalekites), extreme as that may be seen. People in those days tended to get caught up in [[[CycleOfRevenge tribal wars that spanned generations]], and there had been a long and bitter feud between the Amalekites and the Israelites; [[TheExtremistWasRight a genocide would stop that completely]] and given the length of the feud it's possible other methods were tried but they failed (also note that the Amalekites were a tribe, like Ghana's Ashanti and Fante tribes, possibly not a race/ethnicity). Also, these people were attacking His chosen, so instead of doing something extreme like killing everybody in the nation but his chosen, [[MakeAnExampleOfThem God only ordered this on a select few when all else failed so the others would leave His people alone and thus peace, or at least co-habitation, was achieved]].









* The story of Jesus healing the 10 lepers in Luke 17:11-19 ends with only one of the lepers coming back to thank Jesus - and he was a Samaritan. I initially assumed his ethnicity was meant to be some sort of contrast to the other 9 who should have been the grateful ones instead, being the ones waiting for the Messiah and all. Then it hit me, Jesus told the lepers to go show themselves to the priests, which was normal Jewish custom to do if you wanted to be 'officially clean'. The problem is that Jesus wasn't exactly a popular figure back then with the high priests and all and it was most likely said priests would dissuade the lepers from going back to Jesus. Of course not all the lepers were told this - the Samaritan was left out because he would be ostracised by the priests! He would then be the only one who felt a need to go back to Jesus! - Tropers/{{Pachylad}}

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* The story of Jesus healing the 10 lepers in Luke 17:11-19 ends with only one of the lepers coming back to thank Jesus - and he was a Samaritan. I initially assumed his ethnicity was meant to be some sort of contrast to the other 9 who should have been the grateful ones instead, being the ones waiting for the Messiah and all. Then it hit me, Jesus told the lepers to go show themselves to the priests, which was normal Jewish custom to do if you wanted to be 'officially clean'. The problem is that Jesus wasn't exactly a popular figure back then with the high priests and all and it was most likely said priests would dissuade the lepers from going back to Jesus. Of course not all the lepers were told this - the Samaritan was left out because he would be ostracised ostracized by the priests! He would then be the only one who felt a need to go back to Jesus! - Tropers/{{Pachylad}}Tropers/{{Pachylad}}


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* In the book of Mark Jesus explains one of His parables; "“Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)" Mark 7:18-19. In this time, for example, the Egyptians still thought that the heart was the center of thought while the brain was useless and the Romans still practiced bloodletting using leeches. Also, using a corpse for anything other than interring the deceased was strictly forbidden in Hebrew society, so there wouldn't be medical exams of that nature (much of the knowledge we have of human anatomy today came from illegal autopsies and studies carried out hundreds of years later). Adding to this, Jesus lived as the son of a carpenter in a time and place a man did the same job as their father and career choice was almost non-existent. In conclusion, He wouldn't have had a natural opportunity to learn about anatomy, so how did Jesus understand digestion? Then I realized, Jesus is the Son of God, and it was God who made the human body; who else could understand the workings of the human body better than its Maker?


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5th Sep '15 8:52:37 PM SirMayday
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**I couldn't help but think while reading the above that Jesus is referred to as the firstborn of all Creation, and is commonly acknowledged (in Christian circles, at least) as God's son. And in keeping with the pattern, God has put the younger children--Christians--ahead of the firstborn by sacrificing him. -SirMayday
5th Sep '15 8:29:11 PM tropelion
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** Actually, a more careful analysis will reveal that what appear to be contradictions are pretty much misunderstandings of the timeline which can be easily cleared up by using historical context. The most obvious of these, and the one which is most frequently pointed out as a contradiction, would be Genesis two, which upon careful examination, is really just the latter part of Genesis one, but in slightly more detail. Other examples of seeming contradiction usually have to do with misunderstanding particular terms used in modern translations, due to the fact that English doesn't have words with quite the same meanings as their Greek/Hebrew counterparts. A good example of such a word, while not controversial in meaning, would be the Hebrew word "Hesed" which has no direct translation, but is frequently used to mean "lovingkindess," "covenant love," etc. So basically, whenever one runs into a contradiction, it's prudent to assume that one is misreading, and do the research to clear it up, mainly due to the fact that the Bible has, heretofore, proven to be an impeccably reliable historical resource.

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** * As stated above, God was giving Abraham a SecretTestOfCharacter, which the latter passed. Before he had to carry it out, God stopped him and provided a lamb for sacrifice. Even if that hadn't happened God, being TheOmnipotent, could have easily done something such as reverse time, [[BackFromTheDead bring Issac back to life]] or prevent the knife from penetrating his skin to name a few.

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Actually, a more careful analysis will reveal that what appear to be contradictions are pretty much misunderstandings of the timeline which can be easily cleared up by using historical context. The most obvious of these, and the one which is most frequently pointed out as a contradiction, would be Genesis two, which upon careful examination, is really just the latter part of Genesis one, but in slightly more detail. Other examples of seeming contradiction usually have to do with misunderstanding particular terms used in modern translations, due to the fact that English doesn't have words with quite the same meanings as their Greek/Hebrew counterparts. A good example of such a word, while not controversial in meaning, would be the Hebrew word "Hesed" which has no direct translation, but is frequently used to mean "lovingkindess," "covenant love," etc. So basically, whenever one runs into a contradiction, it's prudent to assume that one is misreading, and do the research to clear it up, mainly due to the fact that the Bible has, heretofore, proven to be an impeccably reliable historical resource.resource.


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** In addition, this in light of the fact that the other gods were unreal and it was in the face of everything God did for them (right down to giving the Israelites a variety of food because they grew bored with the first food item He gave them).
5th Jul '15 11:38:53 PM unwell619
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1st Jul '15 6:22:29 PM PinkTwinkle
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* The whole idea that God can't allow sinners into Heaven almost makes it seem as though God demands that humans become doctrinal androids of perfection in their faith or else He will personally destroy them or send them to Hell. This is in fact a frequent cause of people rejecting Christianity, as they cannot reconcile this with the idea that God is supposed to actually love all life despite hating so many of the things we do. However, there are numerous Biblical excerpts/phrases which talk about how God is destined to consumes all sin, and that sin cannot exist in His presence. One such expression, which is frequently repeated throughout the Bible, states that God is an '''all-consuming fire''' (which is backed up by the Holy Spirit being represented as a flame). Take these hints literally, combined with the also-frequent statements about sin in fact causing death and decay, and it tells an entirely different story than the one the RageAgainstTheHeavens crowd believes. It's not that God is a prick who arbitrarily demands people copy His perfection and punishes those who can't just for the sake of it. It's that sin is like a [[TheVirus virus]] which erodes the ability of anything it taints to withstand the all-consuming fire that is God's presence. Those afflicted with sin '''literally cannot survive in God's realm''', thus He refuses to allow such beings to even enter His realm without special protections attached to ensure they don't get vaporized on arrival.

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* The whole idea that God can't allow sinners into Heaven almost makes it seem as though God demands that humans become doctrinal androids of perfection in their faith or else He will personally destroy them or send them to Hell. This is in fact a frequent cause of people rejecting Christianity, as they cannot reconcile this with the idea that God is supposed to actually love all life despite hating so many of the things we do. However, there are numerous Biblical excerpts/phrases which talk about how God is destined to consumes consume all sin, and that sin cannot exist in His presence. One such expression, which is frequently repeated throughout the Bible, states that God is an '''all-consuming fire''' (which is backed up by the Holy Spirit being represented as a flame). Take these hints literally, combined with the also-frequent statements about sin in fact causing death and decay, and it tells an entirely different story than the one the RageAgainstTheHeavens crowd believes. It's not that God is a prick who arbitrarily demands people copy His perfection and punishes those who can't just for the sake of it. It's that sin is like a [[TheVirus virus]] which erodes the ability of anything it taints to withstand the all-consuming fire that is God's presence. Those afflicted with sin '''literally cannot survive in God's realm''', thus He refuses to allow such beings to even enter His realm without special protections attached to ensure they don't get vaporized on arrival.
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