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19th Dec '16 7:44:53 AM 18TillIDie
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* Also, let's put "Troq" into some context here, all woes about "racism" aside (''speciesism'' I believe is the closest human "term" here but whatev) but there probably is a very good reason for Val-Yor to not necessarily be in love with Starfire's race. Tamaraneans have been shown, in the show at the very least, as being brutal, low-tech, vaguely cannibalistic predators with with a warlike nature and desolate homeworld. They can vaporize you by looking angry in your direction and tear you in half for sport, have teeth that look like shattered glass and (in the same episode we see ALL these traits) they are shown to ''eat their prey alive''. So I'm gonna' go out on a limb and assume the interstellar capable, warlike, bestial, cannibalistic race of superhuman warriors probably, theoretically, just ''maybe'' caused some problems for literally every other species in their vicinity as soon as they gained the capacity to travel faster than light. [[MassEffect Krogan]] warbands look at these guys and go, "Wow, orange dudes, your chicks are hot but holy shit settle down a little with the flesh tearing and eating sentient creatures alive! Also, '''wow your chicks are hot''', how did that happen? You dudes ever met the Asari?" We have no idea why Val-Yor feels Starfire is bad or dislikes Tamaraneans, but people don't just "hate" each other for no reason. And considering how the rest of her race is, and how '''she''' was before meeting the other Titans, and that her entire race has displayed nothing other than being warlike brutes who, and I should mention this, ''eat animals alive holy Christ!'', or her sister who was a sociopathic murderer and narcissist (but predictably hot, as per Tamaranean standards apparently) I'm sorry I'll just take it as read until shown evidence otherwise that while Val-Yor was wrong to judge THIS Tamaranean, his opinion on Tamaraneans in general is probably overly generous.

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* Also, let's put "Troq" into some context here, all woes about "racism" aside (''speciesism'' I believe is the closest human "term" here but whatev) but there probably is a very good reason for Val-Yor to not necessarily be in love with Starfire's race. Tamaraneans have been shown, in the show at the very least, as being brutal, low-tech, vaguely cannibalistic predators with with a warlike nature and desolate homeworld. They can vaporize you by looking angry in your direction and tear you in half for sport, have teeth that look like shattered glass and (in the same episode we see ALL these traits) they are shown to ''eat their prey alive''. So I'm gonna' go out on a limb and assume the interstellar capable, warlike, bestial, cannibalistic race of superhuman warriors probably, theoretically, just ''maybe'' caused some problems for literally every other species in their vicinity as soon as they gained the capacity to travel faster than light. [[MassEffect Krogan]] Ork warbands look at these guys and go, "Wow, orange dudes, your chicks are hot but holy shit settle down a little with the flesh tearing and eating sentient creatures alive! Also, '''wow your chicks are hot''', how did that happen? You dudes ever met the Asari?" We have no idea why Val-Yor feels Starfire is bad or dislikes Tamaraneans, but people don't just "hate" each other for no reason. And considering how the rest of her race is, and how '''she''' was before meeting the other Titans, and that her entire race has displayed nothing other than being warlike brutes who, and I should mention this, ''eat animals alive holy Christ!'', or her sister who was a sociopathic murderer and narcissist (but predictably hot, as per Tamaranean standards apparently) I'm sorry I'll just take it as read until shown evidence otherwise that while Val-Yor was wrong to judge THIS Tamaranean, his opinion on Tamaraneans in general is probably overly generous.
19th Dec '16 7:40:14 AM 18TillIDie
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* Also, let's put "Troq" into some context here, all woes about "racism" aside (''speciesism'' I believe is the closest human "term" here but whatev) but there probably is a very good reason for Val-Yor to not necessarily be in love with Starfire's race. Tamaraneans have been shown, in the show at the very least, as being brutal, low-tech, vaguely cannibalistic predators with with a warlike nature and desolate homeworld. They can vaporize you by looking angry in your direction and tear you in half for sport, have teeth that look like shattered glass and (in the same episode we see ALL these traits) they are shown to ''eat their prey alive''. So I'm gonna' go out on a limb and assume the interstellar capable, warlike, bestial, cannibalistic race of superhuman warriors probably, theoretically, just ''maybe'' caused some problems for literally every other species in their vicinity as soon as they gained the capacity to travel faster than light. [[MassEffect Krogan]] warbands look at these guys and go, "Wow, orange dudes, your chicks are hot but holy shit settle down a little with the flesh tearing and eating sentient creatures alive! Also, '''wow your chicks are hot''', how did that happen? You dudes ever met the Asari?" We have no idea why Val-Yor feels Starfire is bad or dislikes Tamaraneans, but people don't just "hate" each other for no reason. And considering how the rest of her race is, and how '''she''' was before meeting the other Titans, and that her entire race has displayed nothing other than being warlike brutes who, and I should mention this, ''eat animals alive holy Christ!'', or her sister who was a sociopathic murderer and narcissist (but predictably hot, as per Tamaranean standards apparently) I'm sorry I'll just take it as read until shown evidence otherwise that while Val-Yor was wrong to judge THIS Tamaranean, his opinion on Tamaraneans in general is probably overly generous.
12th Dec '16 10:02:47 AM ChrisDen
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* Blackfire didn't join the Brotherhood of Evil, but when you think about it there are hints she has met them-and declined their offer:

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* Blackfire didn't join the Brotherhood of Evil, but when you think about it there are hints she has met them-and them--and declined their offer:



** When Starfire confronts her sister about the incident above, Blackfire ''denies'' having helped her while also admitting she knew Madame Rouge (and describing her as a "shifty shapeshifter"). Considering that, once caught, Blackfire stops lying about her schemes and [[EvilGloating starts gloating]], they must have met when the Brotherhood tried to recruit Blackfire and failed-And Madame Rouge, a much more experienced manipulator than Blackfire, still got some useful information.

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** When Starfire confronts her sister about the incident above, Blackfire ''denies'' having helped her while also admitting she knew Madame Rouge (and describing her as a "shifty shapeshifter"). Considering that, once caught, Blackfire stops lying about her schemes and [[EvilGloating starts gloating]], they must have met when the Brotherhood tried to recruit Blackfire and failed-And failed--and Madame Rouge, a much more experienced manipulator than Blackfire, still got some useful information.
3rd Sep '16 10:18:55 AM EDP
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* In the fifth season Johnny Rancid got back his demonic superpowers seemingly out of the blue. Thing is, another member of the Brotherhood is Psimon, who, in the comic, is a follower of Trigon, the local Satan equivalent. Guess who could have restored his abilities?
** FridgeHorror: In the tie-in comic Johnny Rancid shows up again as an agent of what appears to be the devil. Considering his previous affiliation with a follower of Trigon, ''Trigon is still around and somehow active''.
3rd Sep '16 10:01:50 AM EDP
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** Why did Blackfire not join the Brotherhood? Two reasons: first, she wouldn't have been in charge, something she wasn't willing to tolerate (whenever she appears as part of a group she's their leader); second, it was the Brotherhood of Evil, and [[EvenEvilHasStandards Blackfire's standards]] are too good to join such {{Card-Carrying Villain}}s.

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** Why did Blackfire not join the Brotherhood? Two reasons: first, she wouldn't have been in charge, something she wasn't willing to tolerate (whenever she appears as part of a group she's their leader); second, it was the Brotherhood of Evil, and [[EvenEvilHasStandards Blackfire's standards]] are too good to join such {{Card-Carrying {{Card Carrying Villain}}s.
3rd Sep '16 9:56:41 AM EDP
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* In "The End," Slade tells the remnant Titans that only one of them is allowed to accompany him to find Raven, and the other three have to hold Trigon's attention because his mind can be anywhere, at any time. Slade has shown time and time again that he is well-informed, smart, and ruthlessly self-interested. He knows that Trigon could be nearby at that very moment, listening to him explain the plan, so he knows that Trigon won't be distracted and he doesn't mention that his goal is to regain his body. Instead, he manipulates exactly one Titan into going with him: enough to provide a believable cover story for his real mission, but not so many that they could prevent his escape (should one become necessary) and protect Raven at the same time.

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* In "The End," End", Slade tells the remnant Titans that only one of them is allowed to accompany him to find Raven, and the other three have to hold Trigon's attention because his mind can be anywhere, at any time. Slade has shown time and time again that he is well-informed, smart, and ruthlessly self-interested. He knows that Trigon could be nearby at that very moment, listening to him explain the plan, so he knows that Trigon won't be distracted and he doesn't mention that his goal is to regain his body. Instead, he manipulates exactly one Titan into going with him: enough to provide a believable cover story for his real mission, but not so many that they could prevent his escape (should one become necessary) and protect Raven at the same time.
* Blackfire didn't join the Brotherhood of Evil, but when you think about it there are hints she has met them-and declined their offer:
** Killer Moth and Kitten show up with an army of mutated larvae that have become larger and in adult form, something that is triggered by Zorkaberries, a ''Tamaranian'' food.
** In the ''Teen Titans Go!'' comics, Madame Rouge [[spoiler:takes Wildfire's (Starfire and Blackfire's younger brother) looks to infiltrate Titan's Tower]]. As Starfire points out, only Blackfire could have [[spoiler:revealed her what Wildfire looked like]].
** When Starfire confronts her sister about the incident above, Blackfire ''denies'' having helped her while also admitting she knew Madame Rouge (and describing her as a "shifty shapeshifter"). Considering that, once caught, Blackfire stops lying about her schemes and [[EvilGloating starts gloating]], they must have met when the Brotherhood tried to recruit Blackfire and failed-And Madame Rouge, a much more experienced manipulator than Blackfire, still got some useful information.
*** FridgeHorror: The above incident led to Starfire disowning Blackfire as a sister... [[NotMeThisTime The one time she was innocent]].
** Why did Blackfire not join the Brotherhood? Two reasons: first, she wouldn't have been in charge, something she wasn't willing to tolerate (whenever she appears as part of a group she's their leader); second, it was the Brotherhood of Evil, and [[EvenEvilHasStandards Blackfire's standards]] are too good to join such {{Card-Carrying Villain}}s.
** Blackfire not joining the Brotherhood also explains how Starfire escaped Killer Moth and Kitten and why she was willing to trust her sister again when she returned in the tie-in comic and claimed to have reformed: Killer Moth and Kitten ''stole'' the Zorkaberries, and the furious Blackfire happened to track them down offscreen right as they were overpowering Starfire.
9th Aug '16 10:54:22 PM ChrisDen
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** To throw in a bit of FridgeHorror, it's likely that if Raven ''hadn't'' been raised by monks who were able to teach her to control her power, she'd have ended up ''just like'' Terra- lost, confused, unable to control powerfully destructive abilities at all, and easy prey for serious temptation the first time it presents itself.

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** To throw in a bit of FridgeHorror, it's likely that if Raven ''hadn't'' been raised by monks who were able to teach her to control her power, she'd have ended up ''just like'' Terra- lost, Terra--lost, confused, unable to control powerfully destructive abilities at all, and easy prey for serious temptation the first time it presents itself.



** Easy: Cyborg's dad could likely be giving them some money. I don't know if Batman would be given his ward some money here and there, but Cyborg has a scientist dad. Plus they could easily do things like advertising and the like. Plus with the school thing; Robin was likely homeschooled by Batman, Beast Boy was the same with the Doom PAtrol, Starfire was given an education by her tutors when she was still a princes and Raven could have taken lessons with the monks of Azarath. Cyborg is likely the eldest of the team, so he could have already graduated.

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** Easy: Cyborg's dad could likely be giving them some money. I don't know if Batman would be given his ward some money here and there, but Cyborg has a scientist dad. Plus they could easily do things like advertising and the like. Plus with the school thing; Robin was likely homeschooled by Batman, Beast Boy was the same with the Doom PAtrol, Patrol, Starfire was given an education by her tutors when she was still a princes and Raven could have taken lessons with the monks of Azarath. Cyborg is likely the eldest of the team, so he could have already graduated.



* Beast Boy brilliance; Why are his prehistoric forms so inaccurate? Because his shifting relies on him having a good idea of what the animal he's shifting into looks like. Since it's unlikely that he's ever seen a real dinosaur (not counting birds), he would have to base dinosaur/pterosaur shifting off of any portrayal he has actually seen. And since he's a nerdy movie buff, chances are [[Franchise/JurassicPark those portrayals aren't from books or documentaries]].

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* Beast Boy brilliance; brilliance: Why are his prehistoric forms so inaccurate? Because his shifting relies on him having a good idea of what the animal he's shifting into looks like. Since it's unlikely that he's ever seen a real dinosaur (not counting birds), he would have to base dinosaur/pterosaur shifting off of any portrayal he has actually seen. And since he's a nerdy movie buff, chances are [[Franchise/JurassicPark those portrayals aren't from books or documentaries]].



** Robin is a "modern jock", a skateboarder/daredevil kind of alpha male teen (Though without the moral apathy).

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** Robin is a "modern jock", a skateboarder/daredevil kind of alpha male teen (Though (though without the moral apathy).



*** How? If I recall, they have an HQ in space. surely not everyone was on earth at the exact same moment. And what about the Green Lantern corps? I know that this part of the universe has it's own Green Lantern, but surely they knew that a world ending deity had just emerged from earth and had already incapacitated one GL if that were that case. Shouldn't they have at least closed it off so the demons couldn't escape, since they weren't going to help earth? That's the problem with universes like Marvel and DC. Why doesn't the Justice League help the Titans? Why does Spiderman have to save the world on his own if the Avengers AND the Fantastic Four are literally just a block away? etc.

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*** How? If I recall, they have an HQ in space. surely not everyone was on earth at the exact same moment. And what about the Green Lantern corps? I know that this part of the universe has it's its own Green Lantern, but surely they knew that a world ending deity had just emerged from earth and had already incapacitated one GL if that were that case. Shouldn't they have at least closed it off so the demons couldn't escape, since they weren't going to help earth? That's the problem with universes like Marvel and DC. Why doesn't the Justice League help the Titans? Why does Spiderman have to save the world on his own if the Avengers AND the Fantastic Four are literally just a block away? etc.



* Uh... How in the name of sanity did the "Computer Virus," that made Cyborg think everything was food work? It can apparently be downloaded onto a disc, be uploaded to someone... but also is a nanite infection, is spread by touching other machines, and can be transmitted via transmitter. That's not a virus, that's magic. A COMPUTER VIRUS AND A NANITE INFESTATION ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Yet the episode treats them like both.

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* Uh... How in the name of sanity did the "Computer Virus," "computer virus" that made Cyborg think everything was food work? It can apparently be downloaded onto a disc, be uploaded to someone... but also is a nanite infection, is spread by touching other machines, and can be transmitted via transmitter. That's not a virus, that's magic. A COMPUTER VIRUS AND A NANITE INFESTATION ARE NOT THE SAME THING. Yet the episode treats them like both.
16th Jun '16 11:15:11 PM ShadowDJ
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** Easy: Cyborg's dad could likely be giving them some money. I don't know if Batman would be given his ward some money here and there, but Cyborg has a scientist dad. Plus they could easily do things like advertising and the like. Plus with the school thing; Robin was likely homeschooled by Batman, Beast Boy was the same with the Doom PAtrol, Starfire was given an education by her tutors when she was still a princes and Raven could have taken lessons with the monks of Azarath. Cyborg is likely the eldest of the team, so he could have already graduated.
18th Mar '16 1:09:40 PM costanton11
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* Beast Boy's voice actor Greg Cipes is also a real life vegan just like his character. Imagine how much it hurt him in the episode ''The Beast Within'' when Beast Boy declared that "Real Men Don't Eat Tofu"
** Actors, including of the voice variety, do stuff like that all the time. It's called 'committing to the role'.

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* Beast Boy's voice actor Greg Cipes is also a real life vegan just like his character. Imagine how much it hurt him in the episode ''The Beast Within'' when Beast Boy declared that "Real Men Don't Eat Tofu"
** Actors, including of the voice variety, do stuff like that all the time. It's called 'committing to the role'.
16th Feb '16 6:40:09 PM DarthWalrus
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***: While ''physically'' powerful, they've been overwhelmed in military conflict, haven't shown too much in terms of technological capabilities. Individually Tamaraneans are powerful, but their incapability towards diplomacy or large-scale military conflict does dampen their reputation. At best, they'll be see like [[MassEffect Krogan]], at worst, merely mindless muscle.
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