History Fridge / SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet

16th Apr '18 6:12:59 AM SanjMerchant
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** One wonders how a woman who, for month, did nothing but "lie there in bed" both avoided dying of starvation or thirst and attracted enough attention to end up being committed to Bedlam in the first place. Unless a "friendly" neighbor had something to do with it....

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** One wonders how a woman who, for month, months, did nothing but "lie "just lie there in bed" both avoided dying of starvation or thirst and attracted enough attention to end up being committed to Bedlam in the first place. Unless a "friendly" neighbor had something to do with it....
16th Apr '18 6:12:26 AM SanjMerchant
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** One wonders how a woman who was did "nothing but lie there in bed" both avoided dying of starvation or thirst and attracted enough attention to end up being committed to Bedlam in the first place. Unless a "friendly" neighbor had something to do with it....

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** One wonders how a woman who was who, for month, did "nothing nothing but lie "lie there in bed" both avoided dying of starvation or thirst and attracted enough attention to end up being committed to Bedlam in the first place. Unless a "friendly" neighbor had something to do with it....
16th Apr '18 6:10:41 AM SanjMerchant
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** Mrs. Lovett seems to corroborate that his exile was unjust, but she's not really any more reliable than he is, given that she seems to have had a crush on him as far back as before said exile. And her later displayed willingness to use ExactWords and [[JediTruth Jedi Truths]] doesn't help.




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*** It's possible to read that line as bringing the conversation back to Mrs. Mooney. Based on the text alone, it could really be either.
** One wonders how a woman who was did "nothing but lie there in bed" both avoided dying of starvation or thirst and attracted enough attention to end up being committed to Bedlam in the first place. Unless a "friendly" neighbor had something to do with it....
21st Jan '18 9:17:15 AM Purplestuff2003
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* Also true for the musical but underlined in the movie, [[spoiler:holy Christ, practically everyone is dead!]] Seriously, [[spoiler: Signor Pirelli, Beadle Bamford, Judge Turpin, Mrs. Barker (Todd's now insane wife - though, not quite as insane as the original musical), Mrs. Lovett, Todd himself, not to mention a whole mess of townsfolk]]. This is, of course, not particularly a feel-good movie, but once you reach the fridge: [[spoiler:the only characters left are Toby (who may or may not go insane and/or be locked forever with people and pies in various states of decay around him), Johanna (who - and Tim Burton particularly underlines this, but YMMV - hasn't known a life outside a heavily guarded room), and Anthony (who, as a sailor may well have seen some gnarly things in the first place, but was then threatened by Turpin and Co., passed himself off to get into Fogg's Asylum and then left its owner to die by being torn to bits, and is now left with the utterly broken woman he loves).]] Basically, if you lived in this movie, you'd either be dead or wish you were. -- @/{{capitoltvjunkie}}

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* Also true for the musical but underlined in the movie, [[spoiler:holy Christ, practically everyone is dead!]] Seriously, [[spoiler: Signor Pirelli, Beadle Bamford, Judge Turpin, Mrs. Barker (Todd's now insane wife - though, not quite as insane as the original musical), Mrs. Lovett, Todd himself, not to mention a whole mess of townsfolk]]. This is, of course, not particularly a feel-good movie, but once you reach the fridge: [[spoiler:the only characters left are Toby (who (a child, who may or may not go insane and/or be locked forever with people and pies in various states of decay around him), Johanna (who - and Tim Burton particularly underlines this, but YMMV - hasn't known a life outside a heavily guarded room), and Anthony (who, as a sailor may well have seen some gnarly things in the first place, but was then threatened by Turpin and Co., passed himself off to get into Fogg's Asylum and then left its owner to die by being torn to bits, and is now left with the utterly broken woman he loves).]] Basically, if you lived in this movie, you'd either be dead or wish you were. -- @/{{capitoltvjunkie}}
9th Jan '18 6:26:50 AM GothicProphet
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** Which means that even with the madness, violence, and slaughter... Todd was right.

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** Which means that even with the madness, violence, and slaughter... Todd was right.right.
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30th Aug '17 11:43:12 AM Kyrillion
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*** Todd lacks empathy and seems to view the wrongs done to his wife and daughter only in terms of how they wronged him.
2nd Apr '17 4:22:34 AM HighfalutinQuelea
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* "By The Sea" showcases Mrs. Lovett's ideal life with herself, Toby and Todd in what she imagines as idyllic family bliss. Notice that Todd isn't depicted as smiling at any point in the images. For fuck's sake, the man's NOT EVEN HAPPY IN HER DAMN FANTASIES.



** Which means that even with the madness, violence, and slaughter... Todd was right.

* "By The Sea" showcases Mrs. Lovett's ideal life with herself, Toby and Todd in what she imagines as idyllic family bliss. Notice that Todd isn't depicted as smiling at any point in the images. For fuck's sake, the man's NOT EVEN HAPPY IN HER DAMN FANTASIES.

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** Which means that even with the madness, violence, and slaughter... Todd was right.

* "By The Sea" showcases Mrs. Lovett's ideal life with herself, Toby and Todd in what she imagines as idyllic family bliss. Notice that Todd isn't depicted as smiling at any point in the images. For fuck's sake, the man's NOT EVEN HAPPY IN HER DAMN FANTASIES.
right.
2nd Apr '17 4:21:42 AM HighfalutinQuelea
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* [[AC:FridgeHorror]] Also true for the musical but underlined in the movie, [[spoiler:holy Christ, practically everyone is dead!]] Seriously, [[spoiler: Signor Pirelli, Beadle Bamford, Judge Turpin, Mrs. Barker (Todd's now insane wife - though, not quite as insane as the original musical), Mrs. Lovett, Todd himself, not to mention a whole mess of townsfolk]]. This is, of course, not particularly a feel-good movie, but once you reach the fridge: [[spoiler:the only characters left are Toby (who may or may not go insane and/or be locked forever with people and pies in various states of decay around him), Johanna (who - and Tim Burton particularly underlines this, but YMMV - hasn't known a life outside a heavily guarded room), and Anthony (who, as a sailor may well have seen some gnarly things in the first place, but was then threatened by Turpin and Co., passed himself off to get into Fogg's Asylum and then left its owner to die by being torn to bits, and is now left with the utterly broken woman he loves).]] Basically, if you lived in this movie, you'd either be dead or wish you were. -- @/{{capitoltvjunkie}}

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true for the musical but underlined in the movie, [[spoiler:holy Christ, practically everyone is dead!]] Seriously, [[spoiler: Signor Pirelli, Beadle Bamford, Judge Turpin, Mrs. Barker (Todd's now insane wife - though, not quite as insane as the original musical), Mrs. Lovett, Todd himself, not to mention a whole mess of townsfolk]]. This is, of course, not particularly a feel-good movie, but once you reach the fridge: [[spoiler:the only characters left are Toby (who may or may not go insane and/or be locked forever with people and pies in various states of decay around him), Johanna (who - and Tim Burton particularly underlines this, but YMMV - hasn't known a life outside a heavily guarded room), and Anthony (who, as a sailor may well have seen some gnarly things in the first place, but was then threatened by Turpin and Co., passed himself off to get into Fogg's Asylum and then left its owner to die by being torn to bits, and is now left with the utterly broken woman he loves).]] Basically, if you lived in this movie, you'd either be dead or wish you were. -- @/{{capitoltvjunkie}}
29th Mar '17 2:50:48 PM PrincessGwen
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* I was wondering how Mrs. Lovette knew all about Lucy's fate when the Fridge Horror kicked in. Mrs. Lovette knew ''because she was there''! Lucy may have been a bit naive, but not stupid enough to go to a man's house by herself. She thought it would be a good idea to bring another woman like Mrs. Lovette along as a witness, only to find she wasn't so trustworthy. Maybe Mrs. Lovette always secretly hated Lucy for having such a handsome husband. Maybe she even gave her the poison later.
** I always interpreted it as thus: Lucy came home after being raped, in a distraught state, and Mrs. Lovette figured out what happened. Then Lucy either asked about the pharmacist on the corner if she forgot in a moment of confusion, or she just went there and took the arsenic back to her home and Mrs. Lovett recognised the arsenic.

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* I was wondering how Mrs. Lovette Lovett knew all about Lucy's fate when the Fridge Horror kicked in. Mrs. Lovette Lovett knew ''because she was there''! Lucy may have been a bit naive, but not stupid enough to go to a man's house by herself. She thought it would be a good idea to bring another woman like Mrs. Lovette Lovett along as a witness, only to find she wasn't so trustworthy. Maybe Mrs. Lovette Lovett always secretly hated Lucy for having such a handsome husband. Maybe she even gave her the poison later.
** I always interpreted it as thus: Lucy came home after being raped, in a distraught state, and Mrs. Lovette Lovett figured out what happened. Then Lucy either asked about the pharmacist on the corner if she forgot in a moment of confusion, or she just went there and took the arsenic back to her home and Mrs. Lovett recognised the arsenic.



* [[AC:FridgeHorror]] Also true for the musical but underlined in the movie, [[spoiler:holy christ, practically everyone is dead!]] Seriously, [[spoiler: Signor Pirelli, Beadle Bamford, Judge Turpin, Mrs. Barker (Todd's now insane wife - though, not quite as insane as the original musical), Mrs. Lovett, Todd himself, not to mention a whole mess of townsfolk]]. This is, of course, not particularly a feel-good movie, but once you reach the fridge: [[spoiler:the only characters left are Toby (who may or may not go insane and/or be locked forever with people and pies in various states of decay around him), Joanna (who - and Tim Burton particularly underlines this, but YMMV - hasn't known a life outside a heavily guarded room), and Anthony (who, as a sailor may well have seen some gnarly things in the first place, but was then threatened by Turpin and Co., passed himself off to get into Fog's Asylum and then left its owner to die by being torn to bits, and is now left with the utterly broken woman he loves).]] Basically, if you lived in this movie, you'd either be dead or wish you were. -- @/{{capitoltvjunkie}}
** Which means that even with the madness, violence, and slaughter... Todd was Right.

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* [[AC:FridgeHorror]] Also true for the musical but underlined in the movie, [[spoiler:holy christ, Christ, practically everyone is dead!]] Seriously, [[spoiler: Signor Pirelli, Beadle Bamford, Judge Turpin, Mrs. Barker (Todd's now insane wife - though, not quite as insane as the original musical), Mrs. Lovett, Todd himself, not to mention a whole mess of townsfolk]]. This is, of course, not particularly a feel-good movie, but once you reach the fridge: [[spoiler:the only characters left are Toby (who may or may not go insane and/or be locked forever with people and pies in various states of decay around him), Joanna Johanna (who - and Tim Burton particularly underlines this, but YMMV - hasn't known a life outside a heavily guarded room), and Anthony (who, as a sailor may well have seen some gnarly things in the first place, but was then threatened by Turpin and Co., passed himself off to get into Fog's Fogg's Asylum and then left its owner to die by being torn to bits, and is now left with the utterly broken woman he loves).]] Basically, if you lived in this movie, you'd either be dead or wish you were. -- @/{{capitoltvjunkie}}
** Which means that even with the madness, violence, and slaughter... Todd was Right.
right.
6th Feb '17 6:04:29 AM Overfiend
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* "By The Sea" showcases Mrs. Lovett's ideal life with herself, Toby and Todd in what she imagines as idyllic bliss. Notice that Todd isn't depicted as smiling at any point in the images. For fuck's sake, the man'S NOT EVEN HAPPY IN HER DAMN FANTASIES.

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* "By The Sea" showcases Mrs. Lovett's ideal life with herself, Toby and Todd in what she imagines as idyllic family bliss. Notice that Todd isn't depicted as smiling at any point in the images. For fuck's sake, the man'S man's NOT EVEN HAPPY IN HER DAMN FANTASIES.
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