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8th Jan '18 4:08:29 PM costanton11
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** The Borg were probably able to find scarier or more clingy ways in the six or seven years between ''TheBestOfBothWorlds'' and ''StarTrekFirstContact''; instead of slipping implants on like gloves, they chop arms off, remove eyes, ''remove feet'' (there are some shots of a Borg drone's feet and they look quite mechanical), and the nanoprobes already account for the pale complexion, the linkage to the hive mind, and implants popping up all over the body like acne.

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** The Borg were probably able to find scarier or more clingy ways in the six or seven years between ''TheBestOfBothWorlds'' and ''StarTrekFirstContact''; ''Film/StarTrekFirstContact''; instead of slipping implants on like gloves, they chop arms off, remove eyes, ''remove feet'' (there are some shots of a Borg drone's feet and they look quite mechanical), and the nanoprobes already account for the pale complexion, the linkage to the hive mind, and implants popping up all over the body like acne.
10th Nov '17 3:02:27 PM thatsnumberwang
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** Dr Pulaski tells Geordi in season 2's ''Loud as a Whisper'' (''Best of Both Worlds'' is season 3 through 4) that she could replace his VISOR with the (at the time) primitive ocular implants, or she could just go all the way and give him a pair of lab-grown human eyes. If the Borg did blind Picard, Dr Crusher probably did the latter which would have been mostly painless and trivial given their level of medical science. The above explanation about it being a nightmare seems more likely though, as Picard's face implants went around his eye not over his eye unlike Hugh or Seven of Nine for example.
10th Nov '17 2:11:52 PM thatsnumberwang
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*** Yes and no. It was unjustified ''in hindsight.'' No one knew that Picard could still hear the Borg and learn their secrets in real time - and even if they did, arguably that would be even more reason to keep him behind as that connection could potentially be two-way. And never forget the Ready Room scene. This is the Earl Grey sipping, Shakespeare-loving, philosophical, father-to-his-men Jean-Luc Picard yelling at the top of his lungs about revenge, smashing a cabinet with his gun, and declaring that a tactical retreat is not an option. This is a man who is every bit on the verge if breaking that Starfleet feared he would be.

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*** Yes and no. It was unjustified ''in hindsight.'' No one knew that Picard could still hear the Borg and learn their secrets in real time - and even if they did, arguably that would be even more reason to keep him behind as that connection could potentially be two-way. And never forget the Ready Room scene. This is the Earl Grey sipping, Shakespeare-loving, philosophical, father-to-his-men Jean-Luc Picard yelling at the top of his lungs about revenge, smashing a cabinet with his gun, and declaring that a tactical retreat is not an option. This is a man who is every bit on the verge if of breaking that Starfleet feared he would be.
10th Nov '17 2:10:53 PM thatsnumberwang
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*** Yes and no. It was unjustified ''in hindsight.'' No one knew that Picard could still hear the Borg and learn their secrets in real time - and even if they did, arguably that would be even more reason to keep him behind as that connection could potentially be two-way. And never forget the Ready Room scene. This is the Earl Grey sipping, Shakespeare-loving, philosophical, father-to-his-men Jean-Luc Picard yelling at the top of his lungs about revenge, smashing a cabinet with his gun, and declaring that a tactical retreat is not an option. This is a man who is every bit on the verge if breaking that Starfleet feared he would be.
28th Oct '17 9:17:58 AM TheFellMind
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*** Not really at the center of the explosion; after the ''Defiant'' was disabled, the Borg cube kept on plowing directly towards Earth. Most likely there was plenty of distance from the cube to the ''Defiant'' when the cube exploded.



* Many fans have also commented how ''Defiant'', a ship designed to fight Borg, was missing every ''Deep Space Nine'' regular except for Worf, despite the fact that Sisko was probably itching for some payback for the death of his wife. But actually if you check the stardates, Sisko's current activity was pursuing the Maquis traitor Eddington throughout the Badlands, which not only removed him from the fight, but a large part of his senior staff also. One of the rare occasions that the Star Trek script writers actually did their continuity homework...

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* Many fans have also commented how ''Defiant'', a ship designed to fight Borg, was missing every ''Deep Space Nine'' regular except for Worf, despite the fact that Sisko was probably itching for some payback for the death of his wife. But actually if you check the stardates, Sisko's current activity was pursuing the Maquis traitor Eddington throughout the Badlands, which not only removed him from the fight, but a large part of his senior staff also. One of the rare occasions that the Star Trek script writers actually did their continuity homework...homework ...


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*** Other than that O'Brien has a family, and sending him to the battle likely meant he would die?
** Wasn't the ''Defiant'' an integral part of that search of the Badlands? Although they might just have prioritized fixing the ship quickly and sending it back to [=DS9=].
13th Oct '17 7:03:04 PM MurrayTheBlue
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** Also, the use of physical force required to make these work against the Borg are is considerate. Worf is able to make it work with his sword and an improvised club, and one of those is in the vacuum of space with no air resistance, and only that with considerable effort, and has is an expert in close-quarters combat. Data makes it work because he is physically faster and stronger than the Borg, and even he is overwhelmed. Most Starfleet officers don't have Worf's training or discipline or Data's strength/speed, and even then, the Borg are heavily armored. In fact several crewmen are shown trying to copy Worf and are quickly overwhelmed.
29th Sep '17 7:13:40 PM Spazzboy911
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** The first reason being the shear number of Borg in any given area. Even if a group of officers could huddle while staging an attack, we've seen it only takes a pin prick to begin assimilation. The second reason in relation to using a polearm, those are claustrophobically narrow hallways with all the Borg tech being superimposed on the walls. Good luck trying to swing a Borg cat around. What's more, one would hardly want to speculate the possibility of Borg simply adapting to melee combat and what that would entail.

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** The first reason being the shear sheer number of Borg in any given area. Even if a group of officers could huddle while staging an attack, we've seen it only takes a pin prick to begin assimilation. The second reason in relation to using a polearm, those are claustrophobically narrow hallways with all the Borg tech being superimposed on the walls. Good luck trying to swing a Borg cat around. What's more, one would hardly want to speculate the possibility of Borg simply adapting to melee combat and what that would entail.
29th Sep '17 7:12:36 PM Spazzboy911
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**The first reason being the shear number of Borg in any given area. Even if a group of officers could huddle while staging an attack, we've seen it only takes a pin prick to begin assimilation. The second reason in relation to using a polearm, those are claustrophobically narrow hallways with all the Borg tech being superimposed on the walls. Good luck trying to swing a Borg cat around. What's more, one would hardly want to speculate the possibility of Borg simply adapting to melee combat and what that would entail.
6th Sep '17 6:57:56 AM Scarab
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** Also the fact that this would make it the ''third'' ship lost under Picard's command. Given the circumstances, it likely wouldn't be held against him, but even so. Third time is the charm.
1st Sep '17 4:03:06 AM HalcyonDayz
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*** Confirmed. We see several times on DS9 that Worf keeps his Mek'leth in his baldric at all times when on away missions, or if combat is expected.

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*** Confirmed. We see several times on DS9 [=DS9=] that Worf keeps his Mek'leth in his baldric at all times when on away missions, or if combat is expected.
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